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capital and threatened to move on. i just have a photo does accused. villaru serv. trying to spark a major confrontation and says it's mobilizing additional troops at the border. hundreds of migrants have moved into the border region, some attempt to force their way through barbed wire, and crossing the use as president. alexander lucas, shakers administration is encouraging people to cross into the region in retaliation for sanctions and nicaragua. and president, daniel ortega has as expected one, a 4th term in office, after winning 75 percent of an early count in sundays election. the countries supreme electoral council says about half the ballots have been counted. european union is already rejected the results, se, nicaragua has trent turned into an autocratic regime to say where the stream is up next examining ethiopia is escalating war bye for now. i

ah hi, i'm rachelle kerry filling in for filmy ok to day on the stream. a look at the escalating conflict, any the opium and if you are in ethiopia, we want to know how have you been impacted by the conflict and te, gray and beyond. and you can add your comments, your questions for today's panel right there in our chat, live on youtube. ah, this mos ethiopia marked one year of civil war. last week ethiopians government

declared a state of emergency and called on citizens to defend the capital city. at this conflict which started in the northern region of t gray has spread to the neighboring states of afar, and i'm hora, rebel to gray. and fighters are now moving south towards the capital. and if so far, claimed control over 2 cities, north of addis ababa now with this conflict as a worsening humanitarian crisis, and northern ethiopia, it's talk some numbers. now, world health organization says 5200000 people are in dire need of humanitarian aid . to point 1000000 people are displaced, 400000 people are close to famine and access to these affected areas that remains limited. so what is next to ne theo, p as war? joining us today from the hague in the netherlands, a damn k, a baby, a commentator and adviser on ethiopian affairs in oakland, california, isiah, holla, marian of the global society of tea, gray scholars and professionals. and in that ruby kenyan william davidson,

a senior analyst on ethiopia for the international crisis group. thank you all for joining me. we appreciate it a size. i want to start with you. these reports that the t p a left may be marching toward audio ob, about do you believe that to be true? is that what they're doing are much. thank you very much for having me. well, so 1st i think before i begin, there are certain things to be clear, a thing. so i disagree with calling to, to tell if ro, narrative to tell us the political party and these resistance frego. so different political parties, the different people, religion, age and everything bryan is resisting. so i think this is a popular struggle. i think, attributing the struggle to one political party is that wrong. and i think the international media and committee community is talking about wrong. and i think after that 1st, so i say hold on one sec. so what you're saying is that there are other people that

are not too gray and that are lined up with what this with this causes that what you're saying. exactly. so 1st, the target is a popular struggling right now just to kill if you feel is one of the leading parties, but other political works to great are also struggling. so this is a struggle by the to grand people it's, it's a struggle in both like all groups, right? so i would call it the right defense force or it popular struggle. so that's what i want to correct. and the 2nd, the struggle is not just a great struggle alone if you're in general, are struggling so that the forces are united with other marginalized drip and they're marching towards the capital in depth. right? man man just said there's 2 things i think is the science, he's right, that it's not the t p live alone, but we know that the t p for the leading government, the time the t p l f army attacked national defense forces. so the t p levied the

hurts of the resistance. that is, that is happening at the moment. so i think it's not an accurate to call it a t p. and secondly, i think to also say that it's a nationwide resistance is an extreme exaggeration. it's principally the conflict is principally delayed by the 2 grand people in front. of course they were already smaller groups, insurgents here and there, but they have been there and, but at the moment the principal, in the last of the conflict remains in the northern parts of the country. so i think i, as i was just a moment i will, i will. yes. well yeah. if i could just come in here and put this back to them, i think what adam says is reasonable. so the, you know, the keep it up was the ruling party. right. and it was a very, very dominant fooling party. and then took, right. regional government fell into civil war with the federal government after

a constitutional electoral dispute. but it, when people talk about the 2 great defense forces, or this being a popular struggle and being something beyond the well, one of the things that it takes, there's potentially away from your classifying the entirety of the fig ryan people who participate or support their struggle as terrorist because adam as other well known, inmate, the federal parliament, classified the tcl f as a terrorist organization. so this insistence on describing what is, as we understand it quite a popular struggle, a large proportion of gray and society seems mobilize this struggle, the insistence on classifying them. it means that you're classifying all of them a terrorist and you know that behind i'm not sure accurate. so ma'am,

meet the right show let will finish and then yes, as you can let, well, just just to say within, within the math round up of to grands in the capital elsewhere, lots of suspicions. that's a great and for supporting the rebellion and for being collaborated. and that's also partly due to this categorization of essentially, anyone who's involved in this popular struggle for that. but it would be very interesting to adams as a response on that or her wagon. let's have plans as i, as i went 2nd, i'm going to let a demo respond just because will specifically as that something he said, and then i promise, i'll come back. he went down to 2 things. first, there are to grinds that are actually part of the coalition that is trying to fight the government. and in fact, as you may know, that the minister of defense, the current minister of defense, the, to grant and the internal ministration that was admitted starting to grow at the time the federal government was, was in control of the region,

was also composed of to grounds including political parties that were excluded by, by the tier left. in fact, one of the things that the t p lifted wondering when it's returned when it's controlled mccully bug or was attack some of these to graham's as we're working as part of the entire remote administration as, as traitors. so yes, so we are just writing a book, struggle, so. okay. okay, so holla and angel, i okay. hi, luke. rick will be going right. well just a moment, but besides good. ok, thank you very much. so i think we have to correct the narrative 1st. the wrong narrative would lead to a wrong conclusion. so 1st, that to tell if it's a political party struggle is our struggle. i think we are agreeing on that rebel. there's also room reference to struggle as a rebel. this is totally wrong. the resume in a center, we try to great, terrorized millions of the guy and wrote the rebel against the will. inspired with foreign countries, every threat and investor and ultimately dismantle the cause of orders. and i think

i believe the word rebel perfect. we fits with the, the region the, the region so west and agree on that 1st. why wind up here? i think that's the most important question for the ma moment. the men who want to know the right person who did the ph. d. conflict resolution turned out to be an enterprise war and invested in conflict. but i think this is embarrassing and very appalling. but he's just a threat horse of the group that aspires unitary and single, broken narrative. so ivy is just the personnel. ok, who is the course of the ok, so bad let's let's all take. i'll take a breath. ok. i you brought up the prime minister. i actually went to play something that i met and said specifically because we're talking about the t p l. s . and how they're spoken about, i do want to know what you think about the way he, he has, he describes them. so let's go and listen to that. you can call this

pit, which is the very deep will be where the enemy will be buried knox, where e. c o p a disintegrates. we will bury this enemy with our blood and bones, and make the glory of ethiopia high up again. i don't know that you took them on the matter folks. i'll put okay, he's also referred to the t p l f as as a cancer, as rats as weeds. and we'll, you touched on the fact that there have been reports of ethnic to grands being rounded up in audi. saba, what do you make of the prime minister? a former nobel peace prize winner using this type of language. what is the real life impact of that? so i think it can, or is it a point that i was that i was making before? sure. and then, and then me. and then we can answer my question as well. i mean, so that sort of the point that i certainly wasn't saying that to grant a part of a struggle. but i was saying that by classifying everyone involved in the struggle

as you're classifying everyone as a terrorist, now the prime minister, you know, when they use the language, they say things like the u. s. and officials, they called ices, the cancer, this type of thing, right? but the kind of weeds, tongue, so they say it's referring to a political party to get well, the same point remains. you've just classified anyone who is involved in this struggle that the grand or want to be and then you're using this type of di, humanizing language against that political party, but you've classified the terrorist organization. so i think that usually problematic ramifications that the grand population at large. and of course that's exactly what we're seeing in terms of the right to to grade and civilian life. and i'm horace. it is not including the state repression that with being on the what is a very sweet, thanks facebook version, the emergency. there's just been an act that now as the fight get closer to it's likely that this sort of repression and there's sort of not violence against the grey and civilian intensifies. so it's just an incredibly wiring situation. partly

because about the humanizing language combined with this very broad classification of who is or who isn't part of the teacher. so i want to place on things quickly. i can come in for a quick. so the 1st one is i think will is right. and you are right is what the kind of language that has been coming, particularly from the federal authorities, but also a times from the to grant tortoise has been egregious. it's not, it's not fitting people that actually control political authority in terms of the emergency. we know that the country is in a, in a state of was a state a far as a defect to emergency. and what is surprising is the fact that there has not been a formal sense of emergency in the country for the last couple of months because the country has been at war. and it's also right that the state of emergency has been abused. i think it has been used to profile particularly to grow and

particularly in united settlement, but at the same time we cannot deny that the t p i live has supporters across the country. it's a very coordinated, a well structured machinery and part of the struggle to contain them must include, must include dictations, that may be necessary, but that's cannot be used as a justification. engaged enough on just either just fine detention of thousands of the grants in a capital and every part of the country are being members of the feel. if it's a bridges and very i think this is very they call it. the only thing with is it is also the people in the capital city. thousands of people are detained in different concentration camps. so i think just find that is very, very, very sorry. and you're just, i that, i don't guys, i went to a glenda and i think i love you guys on hold on a moment, a moment as in a moment there are some a mona and then for a moment here,

let me show you and should be should be it should be taken response. okay, a moment and we do have a lot of people that want to get into this discussion as well, in particular. and there's a ph, east ph. d student in writer and by the name at to chi, i gave her michelle and he has some thoughts about what might come and should and the ticket life reached the capital. let's listen to that. i think the capital city would fall to the allied forces inevitably. and that is because the food all have been fundamentally destroyed in to drive on the reason that the grounds haven't already taken over the city is because they have an extremely care for a region in how they advance to make sure that civilians aren't affected or infrastructure destroyed, and in terms of what must be done to and the content of the conflict. i think the international community to my under fun, that this is a way that is using starvation other women of war. and these now jailing progress

in their thousands, a retaliation. and it must be told to solve on the forces that are trying to bring about get lost in solution if you go on must be supported before it is too late. okay, so he referenced, am some of the accusations that have been made against really both sides but against the government as well. and there was a, a recent joint investigation by the united nations human rights office and the youth in human rights committee that said both sides in this conflict, both sides may have committed violations that may amount to war. crimes are the prime minister said that he has serious reservations about the report, but he accepts it. and he said that this exonerates ethiopia from accusations of genocide and will i want to come to you? i realize it's very difficult to know what's going on on the ground. you know, there's a blockade there. there's not a lot of talk of journalist being there,

but this report that accuses both sides of being in the conflict is, is that fair to say that both sides are equally responsible for the horrible things that are happening is that does that do a disservice to the people that are being affected to say that everybody's equally responsible what it is, so it's not, it's not both sides. it's all part of the complex. so the primary belligerents but in federal military the, to grey regional forces. the regional force is an era trans national military. now, yes, you know, there is a fairly conscious effort, i think, and in the report to list incidental atrocities committed by all those sites. but if you look at the comments, so for example, michelle especially, you know, the year and human rights commissioner. and she pointed to the fact that eric try and again, so just not take my regional forces responsible for the majority of the crimes. but

it is, of course, you know, important to, to focus on the crimes committed by all sides. and i think what the report did is solidify some of the findings that we know about in terms of massacres and this type of thing. and you know, that have been very widely reported massacred by the era trained military act. so for example, there was a videos masika by ethiopia and federal soldiers. we had incidents of massacres, witnessed by humanitarian workers. there was all sorts of evidence of atrocities in west integrated report, mentions that 600000 grants and were forcibly display from that. and then we also did come in and they made it big and i think i should explain this 1st. there are court principles and when you come back independent investigation, their principal or is that the victims have to trust and confidence in the process

. there is no threat. martha grants abroad and right. we don't trust the joint investigation. oh, so i actually want to ask, i want to add something to what? hold on a sorry. so i want to add something to what you're saying because we've been trying to monitor the comments as well. we've had more than one comment from, from viewers on youtube and on twitter saying that it really wasn't an independent investigation. that when it's a joint investigation, it's not an independent investigation. identity finish. so 1st we don't have any threats and confidence victims. we don't have to us, we don't like the process 1st, the trust and believe in the process. so there's no threat. there's no transparency, the joint investigation. we don't even know what the terms of reference are. we don't know the tour and there's no interest in the personal independence of the process that you get. there's no rush commission is funded and worldwide egypt and government, even the director dr. danina is under the prime minister's payroll knows the protection section denison and the scope. so most of the right,

we're not of interview ok size. let's get them in here. not to yes. so the 1st is that the report is about incidence during a time frame war when everything was happening integrate. so it's only logical that most violations that happened at that particular time. a were committed by the 9th and then to grand forces. that's one the secondly, the violence actually started by the t peel. if they attacked, they not only attacked the defense forces, which they atlas justified as part of their security operations. but the largest ma slacker. in this particular incident, since the conflict started was i actually needed to provide that in here to piano from the parsha and ordinarily live in existence. the 3, the 3. okay, there's, i'm in a search that the, i and i as friend of military have started the work the warden started i actually the war started in april 28th. so we have to agree on that. okay. can as, as,

as i says, moment a damn go ahead and make weren't finished. it's important that one, the conflict was in to gray. so most of the violations naturally were committed by none to grant us one. second, the violence, including again, a civilians was actually started by the tpr, it started in my car, draw a few days after the conflict erupted, and hundreds of civilians were massacred by beth beth t v t p elephant its its affiliates. secondly, the cutoff period for this particular report was june. and since then the conflict has moved out of to quite. and since then, most of the violence naturally, again, has been committed, reported committed by like the glad to to grant for. so let me ask one a frank, let me hold on a moment. let me bring will into this. well, i mean, i think the debate that we're having right now really gets to the question i have is it is very difficult to actually know what is going on. i'm on the ground in the region. what do you know about what life is like for to grands right now? what, what, what do you know? but before i get to that, i think on this,

on this report, what we have is that, you know, it has done some extra documentation and it could provide some accountability. but ultimately because of the contested nature of the report. as you can just see from this discussion, it's actually going to do next to nothing, to get us any further towards political consent. exactly which is why and such so much when it's not strong to grow and allegations of bias against the commissioner against the institute, right. which is why i try to which is why i'm trying to pivot. so what life is like for actual to grands? because i agree what you're saying now is it really going to serve doesn't serve people well. what do you know about what it is that they are going through? i think what can thing on those guys what's going on and what's going on in the gray is that the federal instrument ministration, where the federal military withdrew from take right at the end of june. since then, we've had no banking services, no telecom services, barely any electricity services that we know federally provided electricity inside the 8th. and the trade was completely knocked out. 8 was reduced to one very in

direct land cordial, which has been heavily choked by the receipt. so something like only 10 percent of the needed aid is getting through. the bombing has been interrupted by the war and by the looting many hospitals and clinics have been destroyed. other economic and institutions have been destroyed and that happened a year ago now. so it's an incredibly serious situation. we keep quoting this, take over 400000 people and i'm in condition. well that was in july. since then we've seen no resumption of trade. we've seen no medical supplies, we say no, i'm running out of cash. and out of food. okay, so difficult and when i guys will i get i get a cute, obviously in the areas where they take great forces of taken the water to particularly and i'm our region has been another 500000 people displaced. we think . and i also very guys, we're going to be no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, we are mad to be out of time when we cannot had this discussion without talking about

a way out of this. and i've got a couple of comments from on, from people on you to one saying, abby's days are numbered. the other one saying the t p a left should be eliminated from all of ethiopia, guys are about out of time. you can not give me long answers, but i want to hear from me to view. what do you see is the way out of this? and you can go 1st quickly one quick one. i think a william is right. the humanitarian situation is not only in human, it's also not trust. it does not make sense for, for the national government to not facilitate the return of services, the retirement and return of human humanity area axis. if it's to prevent the conflict, it hasn't. so it's, it's not only in human, i think it's strategically, extremely short sighted to not facilitate at the humanitarian service. it's important as a report said, they're not deliberately impeding it, but they're also not watching with so quickly in terms of solutions. there's no,

there's no, there isn't really no other way there has to be negotiation. there's both part is new to recognize that the grievances that each side has are really so that the reasons for the grievances may not be. you may question the reasons, but the grievance is real and the only way to address those grievances, engage those grievances is through sony. goshen. okay, it's i as, as, as an evaluation. and i think negotiation negotiation with bruno as an assault to human, concise and as, as a victim from the big group. i feel i feel disappointed by adams just in negotiation with the region that committed crime. and i think i believe what should be done is re jim in the center assume power legitimately and the power expired long time ago back in 2090. so i think 1st, but the original curate a stand up legitimately should be removed and that the prime minister assumed power through sham election, elect us and you're pending in me. and of course,

and of course the, the prime minister with a guy in f william. so do you see negotiation is the way out and i need to be, i need to be clear that of course he at the prime minister would say that there was not a sham election. but what do you see is the way out is negotiable? we're about out of time. broadly we need to reset this, this transition which is gone seriously off the rail. and that's the process of inclusive political negotiation. the only way to stop the advance and protect great force alliance with the automobile, abrasion army looks to be, you know, some form of meaningful concessions. finally, from the federal government, the primary reason that the tick ray force it went on the offensive in july is to overcome what they call a speech on take, right? that denial of those basic services, electricity, telecoms, and banking, the choking of aid. and the lack of trade run already ravaged economy. the federal government needs to take meaningful action to lift the seat and then okay,

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