the other cost, their high costs, and what you have benefit for it is your culture, and this is the face of the country. the minister of culture says, the government hires the orchestra to play its special events. it doesn't intend to turn the musicians into public employees, couldn't mikka as a funeral to love. and we are hoping that the orchestra gets appropriate funding, but not like no only playing for special occasions. every musician dreams of playing solo. if there is no orchestra, how will this dream come true? with few opportunities available, it's a dream. many musicians are now pursuing abroad. natasha game l 0. a man, jordan. ah, title quit should have the headlines on al jazeera, the un security council has warn the conflict in ethiopia, tig right region could spiral into a civil war. it's calling from the end, the fighting and urgent dialogue. in a country over

a 110000000 people overnight, indeed, different ethnic groups and 80 languages. no one can predict what continued fighting and insecurity will bring. but let me be clear, what is certain is that the risk of ethiopia descending into a widening civil war is only to real. that would bring about a humanitarian catastrophe and consume the future of such an important country. poland is closing part of its border crossing with bella rues, soft. a large groups of migrants tried to force their way through. poland accuses the bell or russian government of helping people to illegally cross to get into the u. security forces use tear gas to push them back. the u. s. as we opened its borders to all vaccinated travelers for the 1st time in 20 months, visitors and more than 30 countries have been banned since early 2020. when corona

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prison to alice out his last legitimacy. he needs to step oh, has he retained control through over a decade of war? we examine the global power games of president, bashar alyssa. we believe assad simply carrying out iranian orders. what keeps you awake at night when the reason that could effect and human assad master of chaos, coming soon on all 0, i hi, i'm rochelle kerry filling in for, for me. okay. to day on the strain a look at the escalating conflict, any theo, p a. and if you are in ethiopia, we want to know how have you been impacted by the conflict and te, gray and beyond. and you can add your comments or questions for today's panel. right there in our chat, live on youtube. ah,

this mass ethiopia marked one year of civil war. last week, ethiopia government declared a state of emergency and called on citizens to defend the capital city. now this conflict which trotted in the northern region of t gray has spread to the neighboring states of a far and i'm hora, rebel to gray and fighters are now moving south towards the capital and have so far claimed control over 2 cities, north of audi. saba, now with this conflict as a worsening humanitarian crisis, and northern ethiopia talk some numbers. now, world health organization says 5 point. 2000000 people are in dire need of humanitarian aid. to point 1000000 people are displaced, 400000 people are close to famine and access to these affected areas that remains limited. so what is next in ethiopia as war? joining us today from the hague and the netherlands, a dom k, a baby, a commentator and adviser on peon affairs and oakland, california. as i, as holla, mario, and the global society of tea,

gray scholars and professionals. and in that ruby kenyan william davidson, a senior analyst on e. thank you for the international crisis group. thank you all for joining me. we appreciated science. i want to start with you. these reports that the t p last may be marching toward audio ob, about, do you believe that to be true? is that what they're doing are much taking very much 1st show for me. well, so 1st i think before i begin, there are certain things to be clear at things. so i, i disagree with connie, the wrong narrative, taylor and the political party, and these resistance couplers, frego, so different political parties, the different people, religion, age and everything. right is resisting. so i think this is a popular struggle. i think, attributing the the struggle to one political party is that wrong. and i think the international media and committee community is talking about wrong and i think to correct that for so i say, oh,

hold on one sec. so what you're saying is that there are other people that are not too gray and that are lined up with what this with this cause is that what you're saying? exactly. so 1st, the struggle is a popular struggling to right now, just if you, if you feel like it's one of the leading parties, but other political works and to great are also struggling. so this is a struggle by the grand people it's, it's a struggle in both like all groups and to great. so i would call it the defense force or it popular struggle. so that's why we want correct. and the 2nd, the struggle is not just a great struggle alone if your bands in general are struggling so that the, that the 2 forces are united with other marginalized groups and you're marching towards the capital end up. correct. again, mcnair jump in here so that there's 2 things i think is essay as his right. that it's not the tip here, left alone, that we know that the tip here layer for the leading

a government at the time. the year to pierre left army attacked national defense forces, the tpr levied, the hurt of the resistance out. that is, that is happening at the moment. i think it's not inaccurate or to call it typically. and secondly, i think to also say that it's a nation wide resistance or is, is an extreme exaggeration. it's principally the conflict is principally laid out by, by the to glenn or purposely birch in front. of course, there were already a smaller armed groups, insurgents here and there, but there have been, there are and, and, but at the moment, the principal and i'm not last of the conflict remains in the northern part of the country. so as i say as well as i was just a moment our i went well, yes. well yes, i could just come in and put this back to to adam. i think what adam says is reasonable. so the, you know, the teacher was the ruling party. right. and it was

a very, very dominant fooling party and then to great regional government fell into civil war with the federal government after a constitutional electoral dispute. but it, when people talk about the great defense forces, or this being a popular struggle and being something beyond the vote, one of the things that does is it takes this potentially away from your classifying the entirety of the grand people who participate or support their struggle as terrorist because adam as other well known, inmate, the federal parliament, classified the tc left is a terrorist organization. so this insistence on describing what is, as we understand it quite a popular struggle, a large proportion of to gray and society seems mobilize this struggle, the insistence on classifying them. it means that you're classifying all of them a terrorist and you know that behind i'm not sure accurate. so ma'am. meet the

right show let will finish and then yes, she can let well just just to say within, within the math round up of to grands in the capital elsewhere, lots of suspicions to, to gray and for supporting the rebellion and for being collaborated. and that's also partly due to this categorization of essentially, anyone who's involved in this popular struggle for that. but it would be very interesting to adams as a response on that or her wagon. oh, let's happened. as i, as i went 2nd, i'm gonna let a demo respond just because will specifically set something he said, and then i promise, i'll come back. he went down to 2 things. first, there are 2 grants that are actually part of the coalition that is trying to fight the government. and in fact, as you may know, that the minister of defense, the current minister of defense, the, to grant and the inter my administration that was administering to grow at the time

the federal government was, was in control of the region, was also composed of to grounds including political parties that were excluded by, by the tier left. in fact, one of the things that the t p a left id one to reach when it's returned when it's controlled mccully bug or was attack, or some of this to graham's. as we're working as part of the entire remote administration, as, as treaters. so yes, you know, we all right, all to the struggle. so. okay. okay, so holla and angel. i okay, how did louis greg well equalize? well, it is the moment but besides, god ok. thank you very much. so i think we have to correct the narrative 1st, the wrong narrative would lead to a wrong conclusion. so 1st that to tell if it's a political party struggle is popular. struggle. i think we are agreeing on that rebel. there is also room reference to struggle as a rebel. this is totally wrong. the resume in a center, we try to great, terrorized millions of the guy and wrote the rebel the again, if it will conspired with the foreign country era and investor and ultimately

dismantle the cause of orders. and i think i believe the word rebel perfect. we fits with the, the region the, the region so west and agree on that 1st. why wind up here? i think that's the most important question for the monitor. i look at the moment my, the men who want another person who did the ph. d. conflict resolution turned out to be an enterprise war and invested in conflict. but i think this is embarrassing and very appalling. but he's just a trend horse group that aspires unitary and single, broken narrative. so ivy is just the person who is a sort of course of the ok. so bad let's, let's all take i'll take a breath. ok. i, you brought up the prime minister actually went to play something that i met and said specifically because we're talking about the t p less than how they're spoken about. i do want to know what you think about the way he,

he has. he describes them. so let's go and listen to that. you can call this pit, which is the very deep will be where the enemy will be buried knox, where e, c o b, a disintegrates. we will bury this enemy with our blood and bones and make the glory of ethiopia high up again, a do bundle. i've got another guy. look, you took the money a matter of which, okay, he's also referred to the t p l f. as, as a cancer, as rats as weeds and we'll, you touched on the fact that there have been reports of ethnic to grands being rounded up in audi. saba, what do you make of the prime minister? a former nobel peace prize winner using this type of language. what is the real life impact of that? so i think it a point that i would that i was making before. sure. and then me. and then we can answer my question as well. i mean, so that sort of the point that i certainly wasn't saying that to grant apart and

they struggle. but i was saying that by classifying everyone involved in the struggle as you're classifying everyone as a terrorist. now, department of the, you know, when they use the language, they say things like the us and officials, they called isis the can. so this type of thing, right? but the kind of weeds time, so they say it's referring to a political party to get well, the same point remains. you've just classified. anyone who is involved in this struggle that the grand autonomy is. and then you're using this type of dehumanizing language against that political party, but you've classified the terrorist organization. so i think that usually problematic rama foundations that the grand population at large. and of course, that's exactly what we're seeing in terms of the right to to grade and civilian life. and i'm horace. it is not including the state repression that with being on the what is a very sweet things based on the emergency. there's just been an act that now as the fight get closer to it's likely that this sort of repression and this sort of

more violence against the grand civilian intensifies. so it's just an incredibly wiring situation. partly because about the humanizing language combined with this very broad classification of who is or who is in part of the team. so i want to place on things quickly. i can come in for as quickly. yeah. so the 1st, 1st one is i think will is right, and you are right is what the kind of language that has been coming, particularly from the federal authorities, but also a times from the to granted tortoise has been egregious. it's not, it's not fitting of the people that actually control political authority. but in terms of the emergency, we know that the country is in a, in a state of war, a state so far as a default to emergency. and what is surprising is the fact that there has not been a formal sense of emergency in the country for the last couple of months because the country has been at war. and it's also right that the state of emergency has

been abused. i think it has been used to profile particularly to grow and particularly in united settlement, but at the same time, we cannot deny that the tpr live has supporters across the country. it's a very coordinated, a well structured machinery and part of the struggle to contain them must include, must include dictations, that may be necessary, but that's cannot be used as a justification. engage you enough on just out of just fine detention of thousands of the grants in a capital and every part of the country are being members of the feel if it's a grudges and very i think this is very calling. the only thing with is it is also the people in the capital city. thousands of people are detained in different consensus. she can't. so i think just find that is very, very, very sorry i have been, you're just, i that i don't guys, i went to glinda and i think i look guys on hold on. we are in a moment,

a moment as in a moment. there are some a moment, and then for a moment here, let me show you and should be it should be, it should be taken response. okay, a moment. and we do have a lot of people that want to get into this discussion as well, in particular. and there's a ph, d, 's, ph. d student in writer and by the name at to chi, i gave her michelle and he has some thoughts about what might come and should and the tale i've reached the capital. let's listen to that. i think the capital city would fall to the allied forces inevitably. and that is because the filter on you have been fundamentally destroyed in to drive on the reason the grounds haven't already taken over the city is because we have an extremely care for a region in how they are wrong, to make sure that civilians aren't affected or infrastructure destroyed, and in terms of what must be done and the content of the conflict. i think the

international community to my under fun, the, this is every that is using starvation other women of war on these now jailing to grow in their thousands. a retaliation must be told to solve on the forces that are trying to bring about it. lasting solution, if you go on must be supported before it is too late. okay, so he referenced, and some of the accusations that have been made against really both sides, but against the government as well. and there was a, a recent joint investigation by the united nations human rights office and the youth and human rights committee that said both sides in this conflict. both sides may have committed violations that may amount to war crimes. and the prime minister said that he has serious reservations about the report, but he accepts it. and he said that this exonerates ethiopia from accusations of genocide. and will i want to come to you? i realize it's very difficult to know what's going on on the ground. you know,

there's a blockade there. there's not a lot of talk of journalist being there, but this report that accuses both sides of being in the conflict is, is that fair to say that both sides are equally responsible for the horrible things that are happening is that does that do a disservice to the people that are being affected to say that everybody's equally responsible. well, it's not, it's not both sides. it's all part of the complex. so the primary belligerents but in federal, military to gray regional forces, the regional forces and era trans national military. now, yes, you know, there is a fairly conscious effort, i think, and in the report. so it's a list, incidental atrocities committed by all those sites. but if you look at the comments, so for example, michelle especially, you know, the year and human rights commissioner. and she pointed to the fact that eric try and he didn't. so just not particularly regional forces were responsible for the

majority of the crime. but it is of course, important to, to focus on the crimes committed by all sides. and i think what the report did is solidify some of the findings that we know about in terms of massacres and this type of thing. and you know, that have been very widely reported massacred by the era trained military act. so for example, there was a video masika by ethiopia and federal soldiers. we had incidents of massacres, witnessed by humanitarian workers. there was also evidence of atrocities in west integrated the report mentioned that 600000 to grands and were forcibly his space from that. and then we also made it big and i think i should explain this 1st. there are court principles of investigation. when you come back independent investigation,

there are principal 1st that the victims have to have trust and confidence in the process. there is no threat. martha grants abroad and right. we don't trust the joint investigation. oh, so i actually went through and i want to add something to what is that hold on as far as i want to add something to what you're saying because i've, we've been trying to monitor the comments as well. we've had more than one comment from and from viewers on youtube and on twitter saying that it really wasn't independent investigation. that when it's a joint investigation, it's not an independent investigation. exactly. i thought that's what i was on. explain a little momentous and then please let me finish. so 1st we don't have any person confidence as victim. we don't have just gone through the process 1st. you have to thrust and believe in the process. so there's no stress. there's no transparency, the joint investigation. we don't even know what the terms of reference are. we don't know the tour and there's no institutional, interpersonal independence of the process that you have been here. right. commission is funded and controlled by the hip and government even the director dr . daniel is under the prime minister's payroll knows this protection and all that

we conversation with denison and the scope. so most of the is right. we're not of an interview. okay. assign a size. let's get a demo here too. yeah. so 1st is that the report is about incidence during a time frame war when everything was happening integrate. so it's only logical that most of the violations that happened at that particular time and were committed by the 9th and then to grand forces. that's one the secondly, the violence actually started by the t peel. if they attacked, they not only attacked the defense forces, which they atlas justified as part of their security operations. but the largest ma slacker. in this particular incident, since the conflict started was i actually needed to provide that in here to piano from the parsha and the ordinary litigation. the 3. okay, so i'm gonna search the i and i as friend of military have started the work, the warden started i actually the war started in april 28th. so we have to agree on

that. okay. can as a size 6 moment and then go ahead and make when it's finished, it's important that one, the conflict was into gray. so most of the violations naturally were committed by none to grant us one. second, the violence including you're going to civilians, was actually started by the tpr, it started in my car for a few days after the conflict erupted and 100. so civilians were massacred by the sea that t p a t p elephant its its affiliates. secondly, the cutoff period for this particular report was june, and since then the conflict has moved out of to quite. and since then, most of the violence naturally, again, has been committed, reported committed by the glad to to grand for so let me ask when we break, let me hold on a moment. let me bring will into this. well, i mean, i think the debate that we're having right now really gets to the question that i have is it is very difficult to actually know what is going on. i'm on the ground in the region. what do you know about what life is like for to grands right now?

what, what, what do you know? but before i get to that, i think on this, on this report, what we have is that, you know, it has done some extra documentation and it could provide some accountability. but ultimately, because of the contested nature of the report. as you can just see from this discussion, it's actually going to do next to nothing, to get us any further towards political consent. exactly. which is why it's such a much when it's not strong to grow and allegations of bias against the commissioner against the jews, right? which is why i try to, which is why i'm trying to pivot. so what life is like for actual to grands? because i agree what you're saying now is it really going to serve? doesn't serve people well. what do you know about what it is that they are going through? i think what's your thing on those guys, what's going on? what's going on in the gray is that the federal instrument ministration, where the federal military withdrew from take right at the end of june. since then, we've had no banking services, no telecom services, barely any electricity services that we know federally provided electricity insight

to the 8th. and the trade was completely knocked out. 8 was reduced to one very in direct land cordial, which has been heavily choked by your receipt. so something like only 10 percent of the needed aid is getting through, particularly, the bombing has been interrupted by the war. and by the looting many hospitals and clinics have been destroyed, other economic and institutions have been destroyed and that happened a year ago now. so it's an incredibly serious situation. we keep quoting this, take over 400000 people and i'm in condition. well that was in july, since then we've seen no resumption of trade. we've seen no medical supplies, we say no, i'm running out of cash and everything out of food. okay, so this school and when i guys, well i get, i get a cute, obviously in the areas where they take great forces of taken the war to particularly, and i'm, our region has been another 500000 people displaced. we think. and i also live very guys, we're going to be no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no. we are now to be at a time when we cannot had this discussion without talking about a way out of this. and i've got a couple of comments for him and from people on you to one saying, abby's days are numbered. the other one saying the t p a left should be eliminated from all of ethiopia, guys are about at a time. you cannot give me long answers, but i want to hear from me to view. what do you see is the way added this? and you can go 1st quickly one quick one. i think a william is right. the humanitarian situation is not only in human. it's also not strategy, it does not make sense for, for the national government to not facilitate the return of services, the retirement of a return of human humanitarian access. if it's to prevent the conflict, it hasn't. so it's, it's not only in human. i think it's strategically, extremely short sighted to not facilitate the humanitarian service. it's important as a report said they're not deliberately impeding it,

but they're also not working with so quickly in terms of solutions. there's no, there's no, there isn't really no other way there has to be negotiation. and there's a both part is new to recognize that the grievances that each side has are really so that the reasons for the grievances may not be. you may question the reasons, but the grievance is real and the only way to address those grievances, engage those grievances is through sony. goshen. okay, it's i, as, as i, as, as an evaluation of i am and i think negotiation negotiation with bruno as an assault to human, concise and as, as a victim from the victim group. i feel i feel disappointed by adams just in negotiation with the region that committed. i think i believe what should be done is re jim in the center assume power legitimately and the power expired long time ago back in 2090. so i think 1st, but the original curio is santa legitimately should be removed and that the prime

minister assumed power through sham election, elect us and your pending and interest me. and of course at the end of course, but the problem with the guys and i got enough william. so do you see negotiation is the way out i need to be. i need to be clear that of course he at the prime minister would say that there was not a sham election, but what do you see is the way out as negation. we're about out of time. broadly we need to reset this, this transition, which is considered the off the rail. and that's the process of inclusive litigation. the only way to stop the advance in particular, for an alliance with the remote liberation army looks to be some form of meaningful confession. finally, from the federal government, the primary reason that they take re 40, went on the offensive in july, is to overcome what they call a siege on take, right? that denial of those basic services, electricity, telecoms, and banking, the choking of aid, and a lot of trade for an already ravaged economy. the federal government needs to take

meaningful action to lift the seed and then 40 need support on the camera that will show that. that will get more time. we're out of time. that'll be the final word william davidson assign. holla, martin, i did a bit of a thank you very much. thank you all for joining us. thank you for watching. keep it here. we will see you next time november on al jazeera, 5 years after the historic piece deal between fog rebels and the colombian government. alger theory examines white tensions and violence of rising once again, emma award winning full flies investigates the untold stories across the us. millions encompassed on boat in parliamentary elections under a new constitution. and more than a year after the last hold triggered a political crisis in mercy and personal short documentary africa. direct showcase is african stories from african filmmakers, china mux, $100.00 days until it host the winter olympics. but how will the pandemic improve

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