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ability and guilt for his past crimes and for his country. statements that few here are in a position to challenge. nicholas hawk al jazeera monrovia, the 2nd law, not the united nations, where a general press briefing is being held. we are expecting them to discuss the situation in ethiopia, where at least 9 un staff have been detained, less listening. we're of course actively working with the government of ethiopia to secure their immediate release her today or on venezuela. excuse me today, a 3 member panel of electoral experts began deploying in venezuela. the panel which had been announced here a few weeks ago will undertake an independent technical assessment of the electoral system in the context of the november 21st regional and municipal elections, which will take place in venezuela. the panel will remain in country until shortly after pulling day panel members will meet with
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a wide range of political and civil society actors, as well as electoral and authorities as well. and experts. this type of electoral assistance has been provided by the un in the past or other countries upon their request. unlike un electro. okay, that is the united nation spokesperson, stefan jar. they're speaking, we just had the end there of what he was saying about ethiopia. he started by talking about the humanitarian situation efforts to get humanitarian access and that they're working with the government and ethiopia to try and get the release of these detained u. n. personnel. beyond that, we will bring you more as we get it. just to recap 9, at least 9 un personnel has been detained in id and that a 10 dependence and the u. n. is calling for their release. ah,
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his algebra that's remind you now the top stories were saying the united nations was calling for the immediate release of detain staff members in ethiopia. they, 16 workers are being held in the capital. a d'silva fix has been released. the government hasn't yet given a reason for their detention. the e. u is accusing bellows of destabilizing the block by encouraging migrants and refugees to cross into poland. russia's president is backing the leader of bel ruth and is expressing concern about the build up of polish troops on the border. the u . n's refugee agency is an armed and says, thousands of vulnerable people must not be used for political purposes. bringing more news on out there off the inside story. ah
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o. dog in the middle, thousands of migrants and trying to cross from bella ruth and to poland. european leaders accused minsk of newtons on this political leverage, but arose, says e u. countries are behaving inhumanely. poor when the tug of war and that what fries this is inside. so ah hello and welcome to the show. i'm sammy's aid and the path behind them is blocked by bella luce and poland says they can't come in thousands of refugees are trapped
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between those countries. as they tried to make their journey further into europe, poland accuses better routes of using the refugees as political pawns by the russian officials deny those allegations. they blamed poland for the refugees dire situation where the rao is threatening to create another migrant crisis on the continent. the european union is now threatening even more sanctions against the by the russian government sunday geiger reports. i'm trapped between the woods and a highway in belarus. these people have been walking towards the polish border, anxious to enter the european union. criminal on the other side. polish security forces in riot gear, part of the 1000 that have been stationed, that guarding the front here, preventing hundreds of refugees and migrants from reaching the border. but it is
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a deadlock that risks igniting into another migration crisis. on the doorstep of the you. for month, thousands have been entering the block through bella. ruth, at 1st via the sweeney, i'm black via now mainly through poland. the e. u. has the keys bell ever seen leader alexander, look shanker of orchestrating wave upon wave of undocumented migrants and asylum seekers. in retaliation they say, for sanctions imposed on his government of its violent crackdowns on the opposition caught in the middle of his brinkmann ship. those attempting to escape the harsh conditions they find themselves in with no shelter and being still towards poland by bela lucy and state border officials. some had taken the chance of the hearing that bella was in travel agents was selling these invitations to the you only to find themselves surviving for weeks in the forest. the border, poland,
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and belarus. give us the cuts are they? they provide everything then. but when you say when, when you said to them, ok, i want to go to say, i want to go, i want to go back to my country. so then they said, no, you go to go on, they put the gun to our heads. when we were when, when we said we need to go to manson, so far opponent nationalist government has refused help from the use frontier agency. despite reports by polish border guards of hostile behavior and threats from better received forces. for those stuck in this no man's land, there is no guarantee how long they will have to face the elements with little access to food and water, human pawns between 2 hostile neighbors. funny guy, yeah, go al jazeera. well, most migrants trying to cross from bella luce, into europe come from the middle east and africa. they've mainly attempted to pass
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through poland latvia in lithuania, to reach the rest of the continent. the migrants are reportedly being helped by bell russian authorities to get to the border with the e. u. off the flying into minsk, poland beefed up its security and is accused of violating the international right to asylum by pushing migrants back into the roof. rights groups have criticized poland and barrows for that treatment of the migrants who are dealing with cold temperatures, the lack of food and medical help. the let's bring in our guests into the show. now i have joining us from warsaw liliana smith. she's the director of analysis at the wolf or institute in moscow. big ole, which is lead experts at the center for actual politics and in brussels. pierre, to clap a is editor of brussels report dot e. you welcome to all, let's start with liliana. so what is the perspective from warsaw do they see that
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batteries is deliberately using these migrants to put political pressure on countries like poland. says, well, i would like to thank you for the invitation to the program and directly answering the question yes, yes. using good those people in the europe. first of all, poland has always been working pretty well. i've been out of my friends and it will be friends. let me jump. if i may liliana present to the perspective from beller, if they say countries like poland have actually created this crisis because they're not observing. humane treatment and reception of potential refugees and migrants who just want a safe place in europe. of course, of course, but there are. 5 legal ways to enter the european union
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employee here. they can try to get to but what we're trying to help those people. but if it's not possible in this case, because of the hybrid war, and this is regina, you're think those people to try to disability like here, let me take that perspective to moscow big. what do you make of the suggestions that ready bell russian authorities have created this crisis is some kind of political payback because of the dispute between the e u. countries like poland and bella. ruth, well, we have to look back a little more than a year to see where the roads of this crisis lie. so means the location because of the billows,
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believes that poland and the list when you played a role in the campaign to deal with. jetta myers him, including on the european continent within the e u after the elections last year that were falsified in his favor. and so he, he is this as a way back. and the object of this action continue to get action with migrants from the middle east passing through bel russian territory into the e. you, the object of this is to show if i could be here as well, when you know it is, but also the report suggests that these are not simply people who are passing through, but the claims, at least some countries like poland and lithuania, is that that russian authorities have been actively organizing,
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facilitating helping these people to come to minutes and then bust them to the border. this is not a case they say of been a rational pharmacy simply court in the middle. of course, this is, this involves essentially, sponsoring the movement of these migrants from the middle east, from iraq, for example, through a bill or ration theory dory. and, and then providing routes for them to enter you countries with when you and paul. and of course, if the bill of russian authorities did not want this to happen, it would simply not happen. there is no question about it. and so the reason behind that is that the rational storage is, wants to show the duplicity the suppose the places here of the pollution with when you have to where it is. so worse and the news spoke
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a lot about human rights violations in bill or was last year and this year or so bill or was wants to create. this is creating these incidents to show that paul and then with when you themselves are violating the rights of these migrants that want to come through. bill was into polish and with when you 33. and so bill, this is actually using what is happening at the war there and what is happening in the temporary my migraines camps for it's information campaign, both domestically and the, and the campaign that it's waging to as far as foreign countries are concerned. but in you, but if bill was ever here, then you hopes over this modify, needing to a magic ation or a softening of economic or political thanks should get
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a sanctions against music. this would simply not work for you. let me jump into your we will we do on this is against me and what the impact will be in the end. but before we get to that point, i want to bring her into the discussion. all we really looking at a situation in the 21st century of basically human beings. many of them women and children, perhaps even refugees being used as political pull the pay back because of a political dispute between countries that they have nothing to do with. well, i'm afraid that's indeed the case and if there were any doubts that the boorish regime was involved, i think yesterday you could see the images of i think a few 1000 people being escorted to the border so. so, i mean, it's a sort of, i think, hard to deny for brother is now that it is indeed an instrumental icing migration.
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and surely these people have been lured to better as with all kinds of false false promises. now the question is, what to do about this? now i think on the short term or the european union can do is to tell the airlines that are bringing these people from the middle east to minsk that they are no longer allowed to operate in the u. as long as they fly on mince, i mean, of course, only for a short period, but that will definitely end this, this little scheme. that is, i think no longer just hybrid warfare is actually bordering on on warfare. but when you see the images and it looks indeed like the russian regime is deliberately looking and craving for for some violence. so. ready so let's hope everybody keeps keeps at school because that's very important to us. certainly has the issue has
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the issue. once again shown a crisis on europe, sport is that the e u is struggling to deal with. it's struggling to come up with a coherent policy that kind of the one hand satisfy those concerns about national sovereignty and borders. but also balance that with respect for international obligations, towards receiving people who shop water and say, hey, we need protection, we have kids, we have women. well of course, legally it's, it's doubtful whether these people can, can claim to come from a non safe country, given that they voluntarily went to, to belarus, in the same issues were play with when you had the issue between turkey and greece . now the thing is fundamentally, the european union does not properly control its borders. and the reason is that if you and irregular migrant issue managed to,
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to enter you territory, even if you are denied asylum, there's a very low chance that she will be sent back. and i think that does a core issue here. and this is now being abused by autocrats at europe's borders. and there are several ways of trying to deal with that. one of it is what denmark and united kingdom are not trying to do which is to, to sort of our source solemn processing. it's very hard, but i think if the whole, if this would be taken up at the u level, than the id to sort of allow people to apply for asylum in the region. and then one that when they get the yes they, they can, they can come to europe. if not, they are, you know, repair traded from europe to, to death reception center. i mean, that kind of
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a system could indeed settle the situation, but you've opened up all about taking it up your words. we're taking it up to the level. going to come back to you in a moment about that. but before we go that far, wanted to bring in the liana and ask this question. who's winning the game so far? liliana? well, i would say to right now the commission is white, the table phone has been laid out. very nice. so we are able to manage it on our own, but you know, maybe if you truly will need more, more help from europe to me. so, so far i think all the countries should understand the situation that will be the name of the micro, jerry, my friend belgium. so what are we doing? we are taking the ball the piano union. we also taking it. so
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i think that that should be stripped out and also why we should also remember about that through the prison. that was my team online last year. so right now you're in years right, so. # really it's not happening in a minor sending those poor people to their will he prevail when his policies produce any softening of the you line a roll back of the sanctions which were imposed in june and so on. i think they are lacking a common lawyer into your opinion about you know, personally i don't hear. # any
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cough so in this case, i don't see any or young to be in normal way in for example, european union. let me bring in vixen because you had something to comment on. didn't you about that your analysis, victor? is that basically this will back foreign minsk? well, it actually makes bill or was a singular loser in the situation because 1st of all, there is little chance to put it mildly that the european union is going to soften the sanctions regime. that it introduced the guest bill that it was following last year's force for the elections. and so if means care, then you doubts about that the last few months as this migrant crisis has preceded these though, it's kind of reverberated. in fact, the, for anything,
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the european union or specific european union countries are likely to introduce even crusher sanctions against the misc. at the same time, ah, and so the question arises, is this is the economic and political damage wars. the information campaign that bill says, waging the up again, the campaign that's, that's a question for the bill. russian authorities to answer. but there is another interesting winner in this situation. and that's in the way russia because as the economic for shows of billows, decline because of man's position towards this crisis, including this crisis. so does the russian influencing economic influence in, in billers increase? because bill was, has to get the resources that it was getting from the
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e u a through the 2nd relations with you countries, it has to somehow get, it seems to get those resources from somewhere else. and basically look shanker at this point. can point, can ask for those sources in russia and to some degree in china with which villa was, has a fairly good, but it could save pretty good relations. and of course, the main sponsor in the last few years has been russia. so essentially this crisis is. 2 weakening or he's continued to weaken a luca shanker, even though perhaps he believed in the beginning that it would strengthen him. ok, so a weakening of look at shanker, perhaps p. s. or also. is there a weakening of a you influence? as victor pointed out there, perhaps russian influence increases. you said an important sentence
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a moment ago about whether there would be any action on the e you level to take this matter off the thing to let the latest statements out of the e u commission. it seems clear when they say, you know, this is a, this is up to the national competence to deal with. it doesn't sound like there's a lot of political will at the e u level to get involved with, with this at least at the level of trying to sort out how you handle people at the borders. right. well, i'm not so sure to be honest. of course, when it comes to border protection, that is a national competence and it should stay a national competence. i don't think we need like a big bureaucracy or from tx even i don't think they couldn't do much good, frankly. but while the union can do is to, for example, tackle this trait aspect of this particular crush is the fact that all the airlines
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are transporting people from the middle east to, to europe. and you see a hardening of stance. australia was traditionally one of the more that said though, vish numbers states towards belarus and they have no hardened their stands. i think we have to really make a distinction between sanctions or intended to punish autocrats for domestic abuse. and typically those sanctions are not very, very successful and other kinds of measures that are needed to sort of protect the integrity of the, of the european union. so borders and we're talking about the, the 2nd set of measures now. and i think if this continues, all you member states will no doubt that they will need to take action that they will basically put an end to disc. chaos so, so indeed,
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i don't think lucas shinkel or will emerge as the as the winner here of course it's possible that domestically dismay, strengthen his position. unfortunately that for dictators, do they stir up some trouble abroad in order to sort of have the radi around the flag effect. but then looking at the massive protest i, we've seen embarrass, could make that really navigation for some of the countries who are dealing with this issue too that they have right wing governments that see a political interest for them in rallying that public opinion around the sort of anti migrant and refugee stance. right. well of course the polish government will also use this to increase its popularity but mean installed the polish government that is flying in people from the middle east to to then force them to the border. this is all a consequence of factious taken by the regime in minsk.
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let me bring in the honor again off this question. is it rarely a win for countries like poland? if look, shank has weakened but they expand. the benefit of countries like russia is that much comfort walsall? oh, well yeah. one me, oh well i just like a, a for me from russell and i said, well i think that this issue should be completely unbelievable. you know, because we should know state as well, right? when government is doing something and on the other things, you know, we are protecting our goal this and that should be fine. number one, in a little jump in and tell you what a lot of human rights groups are saying,
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you know, a couple of 1000, mostly women and children aren't exactly a huge security threat to the continent of europe. all they, yes. wow. i mean, they could be a, you know, humane way to deal with this. even if you know, was, or doesn't want to have to deal with people being shipped in special a. we are dealing with those people and we want to help them. and this is their responsibility. all 4 of the parents who are taking those children from like a huge tree which also cost a lot of money. everyone knows every person in the middle east, not every person in iraq disabled, paid such a huge amount of money. so this is also the thing that should be stressed out here . and of course, um, such usage of people as a, went on in such a conflict in such a hybrid ward,
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i think it's the 1st one in modern history. so yeah, i completely agree that it shouldn't be a, you know, like this, not we, as the country, we need to for the voters. all right, we're not, i wish we made that change. all right. you made that point loud and clear. i'm afraid we are out of time, so we're gonna have to end it there. let's thank our guests very much liliana victor and peter. and thank you too for watching. you can see the show again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com for further discussion head over to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. can also join the conversation on twitter. our handle there is at a j inside story. from me, sam is a banner and the whole team here for now,
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