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south africa lost our parts high president has died at the age of 85 s w declares was both raised and criticized for his role in and in white minority rule. so what legacy does he leave behind? this is inside story. ah hello, welcome to the program. i am hashem, abala. the death of south africa's last wife president has drawn mixed reactions.

f w to clack was jointly awarded the 1993 nobel peace prize with nelson mandela for dismantling the system of racial segregation known as up as hide. some praised him for ending white minority rule, while others called him a traitor. south africa continues to be affected by the legacy of apartheid, and it remains one of the most divided and unequal countries in the world. we're bringing our gas in a moment. first for me, the miller looks back of the life of i w, the clack. this was the moment when south africa's last white lead a signal to the end of the party. i wish to put it plainly that the government i stake in a firm decision to release mister mandela unconditionally. i'm serious, i'm sure, in a speech to parliament, frederick velander clark o f. w. as he was known, government stunned the world,

he freed nelson mandela and promised equal rights that would lead to south africa the 1st 40 democratic elections. ah, if we did not take the initiatives, we are have no doubt in my mind that we would have reached a point that the majority of all the people in south africa would have taken hands with the total international community and would have united behind one common goal on that is to overthrow the regime. we avoided that this was montela was the nelson mandela, a freeman within days. antea party leader nelson mandela, walked free after 27 years in prison. for harvard, we pray for broad guide, i think a deeper conservative africana f w was never known as a reformer but had come to realize in his own words, that to cling to power for the white population group means facing the revolution. ah, we must find

a way in this country as blacks, and as whites to live together in this ha, revolution almost came anyway. the black townships erupted in violence. oh, god, line african has threatened bloody revenge. lengthy negotiations resulted in a non racial constitution and mostly peaceful elections. and $9.00 to $9.00 to $4.00 o minions of black people voted for the 1st time endorsing the african national congress and nelson mandela's president. as the man who co wrote the end of a party, the clack shared the nobel peace prize with mandela. he laid a chair to the global leadership fund, promoting good governance world wide to many within the ranks of his african people . if w was a traitor to the end, history will remember

a leader who knew that white supremacy had run its course. s w to clack recorded a message just before his death. he apologized to those who felt he hadn't accepted responsibility for the damage caused by racial segregation. let me to day in this last message, to repeat, i without qualification, apologize for the pain and ha, and the dignity and the damage that our project has done to black, brown and indians. in south africa, presidents city rama poses, as the clerk helped put south african, the path to democracy. who was the leader or her party that was largely discredited in relation to the role that the national party played in

and forcing our party. but he had the courage to step away from the path that his party that he led had embarked upon. ah, let's bring in our guess. all of them are joining us from johannesburg. tim b suffolk, who day is a senior research fellow at africa's your dialogues. kim halla is a political analyst and author of no white lies, black politics and white power, and mozilla laquatta, president of congress, of the people and a member of south african parliament. welcome to you, all the missa. why is it that people in south africa continued to be divided about the legacy of the clack?

whoa, former present to click has been a divisive figure for the fact that he was the leader of the national park, which was enough, the cana dominated political party. it was inevitable that he, at his death he will caught a divided opinion and dare him being the last update president. again, it became very obvious that at his death he was lately l. most likely to court or controversy. but importantly, is bad. the majority of south africans lived through very difficult times during a party, and it was part and parcel of unfortunate. and yes, he did. later on, initiate political discussions with the african national congress led by another mandela which actually granted embed status or being at a counselor. but the majority of the people in south africa still remember him as

one of the architects and perpetrators of all of those crimes against humanity and accusation which later on in his life refuse to accept and hence the confederacy. and that surrounded him just before his death. kim, frail and sick, he made that statement at the end of his life, saying that i apologize to those who fell there. i didn't come about still in the most in the strongest possible terms to denounce what happened in the past. but the general sentiment remains the same. the clack missed an opportunity to denounce apartheid. yes, thank you. and i think if somebody to click on the distressed media is covering the day because he was sidney no hearer. he was a ruthless murderer. that of a, an apartment regime that shattered the lives of millions of next africans. and he

had multiple parties to apologize. and he never took accountability. so the son of one of the victims that he killed when he sustained him yesterday, saying that it's a great pity that had died about having to come for grayson's against the black people of this country. and i would not accept his apology. in fact, in law, and indeed he subscribed to me to the tenants of one supremacy. because in that apology, speech, he actually opinion and criticism to the ac democratically elected black government about how to run the country. i mean, the arrogance of a man in life and indeed, and i agree with the sentiments of the leader of the p. a. c. a can africanist griffith, black consciousness in south africa in today. we should be morning and hot should

be with the families of blacks are africans that were made and mooted that this man should not even be buried on south african soil. he should be put out in the water, but not the african sees. and that is the thing to man that is shade by millions of black families who still do not know today with the remains of the children they brothers, the father and mother had been buried as a direct result in w, mozilla. the fact that south africans remained divided above his legacy one who some people say that this is some one 0, over. so the transition to democracy other say no, this was, this was someone who was instrumental in the continuation of the segregationist system of apartheid. what does it tell about south africa? does he say anything about the fact that the wounds of the past still remained

there in your country? i think is very important there. when we look at the life of a single individual who of yours, there was a very important position towards the end of his life to see what should he have prioritized in the closing years of our lives, live clinicians were a mom concerned about how to get out of the trip that accommodated, placed one of us, many people had already lost their lives along the road. we travelled, but there was low. so huge risk that if we didn't manage the transition out of our date, we could also contribute it to the deaths of millions of black white

colored indian sections of the population. so that tries, we had to make was to manage the transition, such that we save as many lives as was possible and save in opportunity that could make it possible for us to reconstruct requests drag. so if again, society and enable us to join the community of nations in a manner that youth for ever it be a declaration rather than okay, a disaster for of us 10 percent and i think we okay, see your point 10 percent good. this, this, the, this, this argument that at least that transition saved us from

a descent into anaki and a civil war. should it be seen as a credit for some more like f w to clack? not entirely, but suffice to say that he was much more braver than many of his predecessors who took a much more difficult decision whether it was coin to do or because of agency or not. but it did take that decision. but v contribution towards the realization of freedom in south africa, i don't think can be attributed to f. w. if debra to clack, or a north africana leaders, it was as a result of the continued pressure from the liberation movement, such as the in c benefit of congress and others who pushed the african government to eventually concede that it was inevitable. or for them to begin to embrace

a new political touch image somehow to take a difficult position or pursuing a constructive democratic negotiations with the black leaders. kim mikhail gorbachev was the chairman of the communist party leader of the soviet union. but he is mostly remembered by introducing perestroika and glass knows that paved the way to the end of the a similar to the cold war. now it comes to declare, do you think that if he had come out and said, i am so i'm sorry, but apartheid was a crime against humanity that would have made a massive change on the perceptions of the people that have about him. yes, but you know, apologies are not enough. and what's other pickens in this country and it's leaders have apologize and maybe racial and believe

it today is not a nation or not. i think it's the fact that for the majority of americans, they may remain lantus in the land with the economy. coaches are stated, we are the most in the world. so what's a good explanation, like it should have done as well as like people is too strong to, he's trying to call the economy to return certain land to transforming economic and put it in the hands of people. but that has not happened. so an apology alone, not sufficient, it would be a genuine reparations for the most grievous that it becomes on the back of interest. and i just want to say something, you know,

we want to start the street and it's very dangerous. he wants to be a project machine, head legitimacy, it was internal, it was international pressure. it was the racial movement as a to me in a force. so i didn't speak with actually about the fact that it made these reforms. so they could, africa could be included in the new to it and that is the truth that we should be rocking folks, mozilla. what does his passing mean for the theatre of south africa? is it likely to further raise the debate about how to move forward and turn the chapter of the years of apartheid? many of us who embraced who embraced the resolution of our

country here, believed that even it gave us an opportunity to preserve available resources and yours and dad. to educate and train large sections or for the population of our country so that we could use them. and use their capacities to lee crossed right, our society and rebuild it there on the foundations of what we inherited from the apology for them. for no one can deny that where we inherited the come through is a significant infrastructure on which we could have built and advised much, much quicker than most of the african countries and it,

and in this way, we would have, would have salvaged huge numbers of the people of our country and we would have made quite since what seemed to be a bit worse situation. we would have moved it was march. first. i could see where you were were were which direction you are going under the explaining. we go to tim bitter, the general frustration in south african, our gas backdrop of the recent municipal elections, particularly against the, the frustration against the i n c. does it, does it give us any indication about the tough time times a hat for a country like south africa? well, it does give indication of tough times ahead. but it also presents a, another impression which is that the south african democracy is much lori.

people now do see alternatives in terms of their political choices. and it was demonstrated during this time around that to most people, although most decided to stay away from from elections. but it is a monitoring democracy. the fact that the ac is losing a majority in terms of control and governing certain when it's a pallet is that it is soft, is a positive, i guess in from african standpoint that you want to have this peaceful transitioning into a new political outlook or by the majority of the people in sort of trigger, but i wanna, i want to comment on that the point that was made about after the declared king and him being the, the person who are shot in democracy would have to give him that credit. that he actually assisted mandela's at the same given, although you might,

that he disliked the men would took a very and although you might have those who would argue on the other hand that there was some shortfalls to the proved progression to was a democracy. and that the reconciliation was not completed and that the new lot had to be done to try to take the country into a new direction. kim, now we have the passing of the clerk. you have the major setback that the agency suffered. and you have the african south africa, who would say, what i would hope was to see a vibrant democracy. thou could translate into positive outcomes for the south africans what we're seeing instead as a pervasive a culture of corruption among the elite particular within the agency. living many people to grapple about how to move forward. yeah, i mean the correction problem, but it shouldn't be painted black. i'm actually look at the corruption done by the business and what government before 99 people,

it was grand correction. even the x men in this country is probably the greatest corrections in the country that i think the amc has not the plan. and i think the problem is to do with the fact with the national consciousness. because the national consciousness is that we must be reconciled nations and we accommodate what's interesting is that people will watch what they preach, national consciousness, which is a mother. and she does not have but pass parties with black conscious that they have to be economy that, that child and could be dignity, off of laptops. we're going to be stuck in the most equal society in the world. so

the time that they are now is to face the inconvenient to know, we'll talk formation the market in the ships dynamics. but for the majority of people, the constitution has not been charlotte landreth and the poverty must have. if you look at the outcome of the latest municipal elections, you will see that a and c was not the only one to suffer. setback. the democratic alliance itself failed to gain momentum. what is quite interesting is that the f, e, f, f, the economic freedom fighters, or the action as a, a gaining momentum, which could give you an indication that south africa is moving towards what could be turning also the chapter, the a and see itself. or look there, the unfortunate thing is the idea, the new circumstances. i defy this in our country don't favor any

particular party is actually heating and all of us that we we should have. well, we should have rallied together and take full advantage of the opportunity of them using resources to the benefit of all of us. we still us did try to have social that won't give for them. so session those went out for themselves and this continued division. also ref, against society on that basis or what happened in the 1st is motto advantage. why is to i rented is if we can pull or so together and say look, now is an opportunity to for equality. let's give everybody in the same and equal opportunity. speaking about it then equality amigo, to tim, visit him beside. he said that this is a,

an indication that the country is maturing. that democracy is maturing in south africa. but do you think that south africa is ready for the concept of a government of a coalition government? well, at the national level, i'm not sure what that will be ready, but at the municipal level they've already started negotiation. not only this election, but in a bit of a selection, so they are ready for that. but for me, what's encouraging is the willingness of the bigger parties to accept defeat intercept that they have to enter into negotiations with one of parties. but i like to disagree with you, i should, when you said that the action essay and e f, f i showing that they're moving much more strongly the other much is i don't think so. even if it has not been given a clear mandate by anyone to run a municipality capsule considered a but a should say, because then you give them a block and have a number of votes, but i'm not quite sure whether the f f is growing and that they use

a flavor it to us, you have a still remains a very strong party, but for me to pull a reservation within the blue cross space in south africa is quite encouraging. and a lot of people are kind of disgruntled by what's going on. but i think for an african country to have such a vibrant democracy in a buyer and competition of political power is quite encouraging. ladies and gentlemen, really appreciate your time. unfortunately, we're running out of time. but i promise you next time will we be able to have another to so to talk about our south africa and his future, tim busy for could it can heller and mozilla joe patrick lycos. i really appreciate your insight and thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com for further discussion. go to our facebook page, that's facebook dot com, forward slash a jane site. so you can also join the conversation on twitter. i'll 100 is at a jane size story for me. hash him about and the entire team here in doha. my for now.

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