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will be held behind closed doors. the country has seen a record number of code 1900 infections. in recent, we, us judge has terminated the conservatorship that control the life and money of pop star, britney spears fans waiting outside the court shared as the court's decision. was announced beers called it the best day ever, and expressed her gratitude for her friend. the fingers father was put in charge of her finances back in 2008 after spears. how to public battle with mental health. ah. hello again. the headlines on al jazeera, this, our large group. so protestors are marching through the capital cartoon right now. and announcing last month to military coast, take over in suzanne, and insisting on a return to civilian rule, the army has closed bridges and set up road blocks right around the city. heaven
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morgan has more from cartoon. people have been mobilizing for those. they spent the 30th of october, they say they want to voice their anger at the military took over, which happened on october 25th. and the decision by general them put that behind the great a suffering see council that included 5 members of the military from the previous council. and that did not include anybody from the 4th to freedom and change coalition. the coalition that represent the protest movement just simply angered the protest further. now they're all concerned that they will be violent because of the spread of security forces, not just on main bridges around the capital, how much also on main street. and because of the setting up of checkpoints, delegates of the you and climate conference in glasgow have reached the new drafts agreement called on rich nations to double their financial commitment by 2025. and it keeps goals to phase out inefficient fossil fuel subsidies. processor being held in a democratic republic of congo against the appointment of new electoral commission,
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south africa last apartheid president has died of the age of 85 f. w declares was both raised and criticized for his role in ending white minority rule. so what legacy does he leave behind? this is inside story. ah hello, welcome to the program. i'm hashem, abala. the death of south africa's last white president has drawn mixed reactions.
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f, w to clack was jointly awarded the 1993 nobel peace prize with nelson mandela for dismantling the system of racial segregation known as up as hide. some praise him for ending white minority rule, while others called him a traitor. south africa continues to be affected by the legacy of apartheid. and it remains one of the most divided and unequal countries in the world. we're bringing our gas in a moment. first for me, the miller looks back of the life of i w to clack. this was the moment when south africa's last white lead a signal to the end of the party. i wish to put it plainly that the government has taken a firm decision to release mister mandela unconditionally. i am serious, i'm sure, in a speech to parliament, frederick velander clerk o f. w. as he was known, helen was stunned. the world he freed nelson mandela and promised equal rights that
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would lead to south africa the 1st equity democratic elections. ah, if we did not take the initiatives we took, i have no doubt in my mind that we would have reached a point that the majority of all the people in south africa would have taken hands with the total international community. and would have united behind one common goal on that is to overthrow the regime. we avoided that this was the mandela was the nelson mandela: a free man within days, antea party leader nelson mandela, walked 3 off to 27 years in prison. for god, we pray for god, god, i think a deeper conservative africana f w was never known as a reformer that had come to realize in his own words that to cling to power for the white population group means facing the revolution. ah,
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we must find a way in this country as blacks, and as whites do live together, if this, oh, revolution almost came anyway. the black townships erupted in violence. hard line african has threatened bloody revenge. lengthy negotiations resulted in a non racial constitution and mostly peaceful elections. a 9 to 9 to 4 o minions of black people voted for the 1st time endorsing the african national congress and nelson mandela's president. as the man who co wrote the end of a party, the clack shared the nobel peace prize with mandela. he later changed the global leadership fund, promoting good governance world wide. to many within the ranks of his african people. if w was a traitor to the end, history will remember
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a leader who knew that white supremacy had run its course. f. w. the clerk recorded a messrs. just before his death. he apologized to those who felt he hadn't accepted responsibility for the damage goals by racial segregation. let me to day in this last message to the p, i with al qualification, apologize for the pain and the ha, and the dignity and the damage of our product as gung to black brown and indians. in south africa, presidents city rama poses, as the clerk helped put south african, the path to democracy who was illegal or ha potty that was largely discredited in relation to the role that the national party played in
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and forcing up parties. but he had the courage to step away from the path that his party that he led had embarked upon. ah, let's bring in august. all of them are joining us from johannesburg. tim b, suffolk, who day is a senior research fellow at africa's yet dialogues. kim halla is a political. anna is an author of no white lies black politics and white. paula and mozilla laquatta, president of congress, of the people and a member of south african parliament would welcome to you all the missa. why is it that people in south africa continued to be divided about the legacy of the clack? whoa, former present to click has been
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a device of figure for the fact that he was the leader of the national park, which was enough to corner terminated political party. it was inevitable that he, at his death he will caught a divided opinion and dare him being the last update president. again, it became very obvious that at his death he was lately, almost likely to court and controversy. but importantly, is bad. the majority of south africans lived through very difficult times during a party, and it was part and parcel of unfortunate or yes, he did. later on, initiate political discussions with the african national congress led by a nelson mandela which actually granted embed state as of being ever concealer. but
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the majority of the people in south africa still remember him as one of the architects and perpetrators of all of those crimes. against humanity in a position which later in his life, refused to accept and hence the controversy. and that surrounded him just before his death, kim, frail and sick. he made that statement at the end of his life, saying that i apologize to those who fell there. i didn't come about still in the most in the strongest possible terms to denounce what happened in the past. but the general sentiment remains the same. the clack missed an opportunity to denounce apartheid. yes, thank you. i think it's starting to click on very distress. how the media is covering the day because he was suddenly no here. he was a ruthless murderer. that of a, an apartment regime that shattered the lives of millions of next africans. and he
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had multiple coaching duties to apologize. and he never took accountability. so the son of one of the victims that had killed when he sustained yesterday, saying that it's a great pity that had died about having to come for grayson's against the black people of the country. and i would not accept his apology, in fact, in law, and indeed he subscribed to be to the tenants of one supremacy. because in that apology, speech, he actually penny and criticism to the ac democratically elected government about how to run the country. i mean, the arrogance of a man in life and indeed, and i agree with the sentiments of the leader of the p, a. c, a kind of africanist, griffith, black consciousness in south africa in today. we should be morning and heart should
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be with the families of black south africans that were made and that this man should not even be buried on south african soil. he should be put out in the water, but not the african sees. and that is the sentiment that is shade by millions of black families who still do not know today with the remains of the children, the brothers, the father and mother had been buried as a direct result in w, mozilla. the fact that south africans remained divided about this legacy one who, some people say that this is someone, all of a so the transition to democracy other say no, this was, this was someone who was instrumental in the continuation of the segregationist system of apartheid. what does it tell about south africa? does he say anything about the fact that the wounds of the past still remained
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there in your country? i think is very important there. when we look at the level of a single individual who obviously was prior to were in position towards the end of his life to see what should he have prioritized in the closing years of our lives. live prisons were a mom concerned about how to get out of the trip that accommodated least one of us. many people had already lost their lives along the road. we traveled. but there was low. so huge risk that if we didn't manage the transition out of our date, we could also contribute to the death of millions of black white
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colored indian sections of the population. so that tries, we had to make was to manage the transition, cited that we save as many lives as was possible and save as an opportunity that could make it possible for us to reconstruct request the ag so in society and enable us to join the community of nations in a manner that youth for ever it be a declaration rather than okay. a disaster for of us 10 percent in i think we okay. see your point them percent good. this this the, this, this argument that at least that transition saved us from
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a descent into anaki and a civil war. should it be seen as a credit for some more like f w to clack? not entirely, but suffice to say that he was much more braver than many of his predecessors who took a much more difficult decision whether it was coin to do or because of agency or not. but it didn't take that decision. but the contribution towards the realization of freedom in south africa, i don't think can be attributed to f. w. if debbie, due to clack, or a north africana leaders, it was as a result of the continued pressure from the liberation movement, such as the in c, pan african is congress and others who pushed the african government to eventually concede that it was inevitable for them to begin to embrace
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a new pulling culture church image somehow to take a difficult position, pursuing a constructive democratic negotiations with the black leaders. kim mikhail gorbachev was the chairman of the communist party leader of the soviet union. but he is mostly remembered by introducing perestroika and glass knows that paved the way to the end of the a similar to the cold war. now it comes to declare, do you think that if he had come out and said, i am so i'm sorry, but apartheid was a crime against humanity that would have made a massive change on the perceptions of the people to have about him. yes, but you know, apologies are not enough. and what's other because country and it's leaders have never apologized and maybe racial for and believe
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it today is not a nation or not. i think it's the fact that for the majority of americans, they, they remain lantus in the land. land has never been with the economy. coaches are devastated with all of us in the world. so what's a good explanation like it should have done as well as like people is too structured. he's trying to hold the economy to return certain land to transform economic and put it in the hands of people. but that has not happened. so an apology alone, not sufficient. it would be a geniune, reparations for the most grievous that it becomes on the back of interest. and i'm just not to say something, you know,
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we like the street and it's very dangerous. he wants to be a public regime, had legitimacy, internal, it was international question. it was a group of the racial movements as a to the p. c. a force. so even on monday, the secret is actually about the fact that it made these reforms. so they offer connor could be included in the new does it, and that is the truth that we should be rocking mozilla. what does his passing mean for the theatre of south africa? is it likely to further raise the debate about how to move forward and turn that chapter of the years of apartheid leave of us who embraced who embraced the resolution of our country here?
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believed that even gave us an opportunity to preserve available resources and yours of that to educate and train large sessions or for the population of our country so that we could use them and use their capacities to reconstruct our society and rebuild it there on the foundations of what we inherited from man deposit or them for no one can deny that where we inherited the come through is a significant infrastructure on which we could have built and advised much, much quicker than most other african countries and there. and in this
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way, we would have would have salvaged huge numbers of the people of our country. and we would have made quite since what seemed to be a bit worse situation. we would have moved, it was march. first. i could see where you were were, what was which direction you are going. and that explained only me go to tim, beside the general frustration in south african, our gas, a backdrop of the recent municipal elections, particularly against the, the frustration against the i and see does it, does it give us any indication about the tough time times a hat for a country like south africa, well, it does give indication of tough times ahead. but it also presents a, another impression which is that the sort of can democracy is much lori.
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people now do see alternatives in terms of their political choices. and it was demonstrated during this time around that most people, although most decided to stay away from, from elections. but it is a monitoring democracy. the fact that the ac is losing a majority in terms of control and governing certain when as a pallet is that it is soft, is a positive, i guess in from african standpoint that you want to have this peaceful transitioning into a new political outlook or by the majority of the people in sort of ticker, but i wanna, i want to comment on the point that was made about after the declared king and him being the, the, the person who i shot in democracy would have to give him that credit. that he actually assisted mandela's at the same given, although you might that he disliked the men who took
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a very and although you might have those who would argue on the other hand that there was some shortfalls to the proved progression to was a democracy. and that the reconciliation was not completed and that the new lot had to be done to try to take the country into a new direction. kim, now we have the passing of de klerk. ye have the major setback that the agency suffered, and you have the african south africa who would say, what i would hope was to see a vibrant democracy. thou could translate into positive outcomes for the south africans what we're seeing instead as a pervasive culture of corruption among the elite, particularly within the agency, living many people to grapple about how to move forward. yeah, i mean the correction is a problem, but it shouldn't be painted black actually look at the corruption done by white business and what government before 990,
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it was grand corruption. even the x men in this country is probably the greatest corrections in the country. that i think the amc that's not the plot and i think the problem is. ringback to do with the fact with the national consciousness, because the national consciousness is that we must be reconciled nations and we accommodate what's interesting is that people will watch what they privilege national consciousness, which is a does not pass parties to that was black conscious that they had to be economy that suits the black child and could be dignity of the laptops, were going to be stuck in the most equal society in the world. so the time
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now is to face the inconvenient that there was no real transformation. the magic in the ships. but for the majority of people, the constitution has not help charlotte landreth and be poverty mozilla. if you look at the outcome of the latest municipal elections, you will see that a n. c was not the only one to suffer. setback, the democratic allies itself failed to gain momentum. what is quite interesting is that the f, e, f, f, the economic freedom fighters, or the action as a, a gaining momentum, which could give you an indication of that south africa is moving towards what could be turning also that shuttle the a and c itself. or look, the unfortunate thing is the idea the usa comes as i def, i listen in our country, do not
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a favor. any particular party is actually heating an all of us that we we should have. well, we should have a rally together and take full advantage of the opportunity of using resources to the benefit of all of us. we still did try to have social that won't give this for themselves section that one though for themselves. and this continued division. also forget society on that basis or what happened in the past is motto advantage. why is to i rented is if we can pull or so together and say look, now is an opportunity to for equality. let's give everybody in the same and equal opportunity. speaking about then, equality enemy go to tim, visit him beside. he said that this is a,
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an indication that the country is maturing. that democracy is maturing in south africa. but do you think that south africa is ready for the concept of a government of a coalition government? well, at the national level, i'm look at so that of the ready, but at the municipal level, they've already started negotiation. not only this election, but in a bit of a selection, so they are ready for that. but for me, what's encouraging is the willingness of the bigger parties to accept defeat intercept that they have to enter into negotiations with one of parties. but i like to disagree with you, i should, when you said that the action essay and e f, f i showing that they're moving much more strong. the other much is i don't think so. even if it has not been given a clear mandate by anyone to run a municipality, capital considered a but it should say, because then you give to the blog and have managed a number of of votes, but i'm not quite sure whether the f f is growing and that is a flavor it to us
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a phase who remains a very strong party. but for me to pull a reservation within the political space in south africa is quite encouraging. and a lot of people are kind of disgruntled by what's going on. but i think for an african country to have such a vibrant democracy in a buyer and competition of political power is quite encouraging. ladies and gentlemen, really appreciate your time. unfortunately, we're running out of time. but i promise you next time will we be able to have another to so to talk about our south africa and his future in business for could it can heller and mozilla gyla patrick lycos. i really appreciate your insight and thank you for watching. you can see the program again anytime by visiting our website, al jazeera dot com for further discussion, go to our facebook page, thus facebook dot com forward slash a jane sites. or you can also join the conversation on twitter. i'll 100 is at a jane. slice laurie from the hash, him alabama, and the entire team here in doha. my for now,
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