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do. the scale of this camp is like nothing you've ever seen access to what we want to know. how did these things affect people? we revisit please stay, even when there are no international headlines. oh to 0. really invest in that. and that's a privilege. as a journalist, the libyan revolution brought down one mcduffy 10 years ago. now his son is running for president. what to say, fall islam get off his chances and we'll december's election unite will create more divisions in libya. this is inside store. ah hello there and welcome to the program i missed audio tape. and now libby as arab spring revolution, 10 years ago, toppled a long time leader,

warmer gadhafi. what followed was a decade of chaos and violence. warring militia is backed by foreign powers, including russia and turkey, split the country into the un now hopes that elections due next month will help restore stability and the gadhafi name. as back in the spotlight moment. good of you, son has now registered to run for president save al islam or traditional libyan robe and turban. as his late father did. he'd been out of the public eye for much of the past decade. but in an interview with the new york times, back in july, he hinted at a presidential run to restore unity to libya. so if al islam get off, he is mamma good off his 2nd son, educated in london and vienna, many libyans, people in the west saw him as a reformer advocated for democracy. then in 2011 public opinion changed as he took part in the crackdown by his father's regime. he was captured by 5 as soon afterwards, but eventually released 6 years later. safe. it's lum good i'll see is still wanted

the by the international criminal court for alleged crimes against humanity during the 2011 revolution. human rights watch says libyan authors who's must arrest him and hand him over. despite him registering as a presidential candidate out there is libya, correspondent malik traina has after years of hiding and out of public view, safest. lemme get duffy immersed in the city of sub how to apply for president. now he was wearing the traditional outfit of southern libya in that brown color. much like much like his father was wearing in his famous speech in 2011 where mom or get duffy threaten protesters. you know, he said, i wish he was going to purify the libyans, the libyan rat, as he called them, who were protesting for freedom and democracy as long as on ga dot dot wal mart. good. that he said in that famous speech room by room street, by street, he was going to purify these people from the country are so safe this time. what

does this mean for safer to run for president at this time? well, he's a very divisive figure. you know, he's also wanted by the international criminal court for crimes against humanity, including the tax on civilians and, and the tax on peaceful protesters. and we're already seeing the effect take place . we're starting to see some reaction in western libya, but mostly that reaction is coming from the constitutional framework. so according to a previous agreement, a constitutional framework has to be agreed upon by the various legislative sides. that still hasn't happened yet. so what does that mean? well, who can run for president? what kind of powers those are president, have these are, you know, questions that remained to be agreed upon or solved by the various sides. so now it was safe appearance and back into political view. we're seeing people in western libya, especially in western libya. you know, tribal leaders, civilian leaders, military leaders, calling for the boycott of these elections until a framework,

a constitutional framework is agreed upon. while the head of libby as presidency council says it doesn't matter who runs in the election as long as the vote takes place is shuttled on december 24th. nat nolan not less than we are not worried about any particularly been getting elected, will not worry about having any particular person that the law says feed to the clinicians. on the contrary, there should be a chance given to everyone who is electoral conditions apply. will shift been agreed upon by the libyan people and the legislative bodies responsible for these laws. ah, well, let's not bring in our guests in doha. we have use of for and l. he is a professor of political science and international relations and council university and assemble. we have on us al demonte. he's the director of the subject institute then and in paris, mustafah for tory, a journalist on the can, and

a contributor to the middle east monitor. thank you gentlemen, for joining us today. welcome to the program at now i see after 10 years of silence as a fall, islam in his big new york times into view. he talks about coming back with this or a mystery. almost like a like a strip tease of sorts. and now we, it seems is in the big reveal i'm, i'm curious because he looks like quite the changed man. he used to favor a lot more western european clothing. we've seen him now registered and very traditional robes, and mr. i know very little has been heard from in the, from the public. certainly for all these years. is he a changed man? most certainly is just say if you, you know, take into account the fact that he has been over a decade in isolation and completely got to from the outside world or without his family, with close friends and associates, snap would have changed anybody. and he also faced the dead bernacki by the b court

back in 2015. and there were even suspicion if he was in her life or not. and them as of politics and broadly a little bit more about the tribe or quiz actual in which she might play in the near future. i think he is also changed. man, he has been more than a couple of things bought into consideration proceeds with between tribes rashly in the city of summer, just 2 weeks ago successfully between s tribe and to live stream and their close friends are alive throughout history. in terms of, you know, the libyan bubble and give you fam, i think it has changed as well because they see and i was some guy and there for a savior, a few lie because what has been happening in the country itself, or these are just a few boys that indicate he is a changed man the,

regardless of the kinds of prob, so close he has put on to come out for the 1st time publicly life, man, i do want to take into what kind of a man he is, and how might that affect his support, how he might potentially govern if he won. he went to the london school of economics. he was considered a reformer and back in london in 2003, i believe that was when he was asked what libya needed most. he said democracy and he said that was because his country at the time didn't have any real democracy, but then in 2011, he backed his father. so honest, what happened? well, it's not safe. the reformers say the performer and the seattle of the last 24 hours confirmed that very little has changed about so if it is, let me get duffy. he chose to wear the clothes that his father wore 10 years ago when he gave his infamous babin to see the speech when he threatened to exterminate the population of ben does he? this is not a man that has changed. it's. amanda has let the tricks

a performance. this is also someone understands rule by one man and rule by tried. that is not something that libyan haven't seen before. the libyans have lived in experience that for many, many years you can certainly find friends around the corner in some ways only as now. and i'm sure he'll find friends that wants to adopt that tribal clothing or that once. busy a hawk back to the era, but today libya needs a consensus figure some of the ones that turn that chapter over and wherein the, the clothes that your father wore when you threatens the libyan population is not something that indicates you're a consensus figure that indicates your device to figure that will finish with this . it's the mother of all ironies that today separate as i'm is trying to exercise his democratic rights to pursue presidential bait and campaign against the very system that him and his father chose to briefly probably put down as a movement during the february 17th revolution. this is amanda chose to go. busy with his father and the goods, the libyan people against its own rhetoric in the years that he was at the se,

and tried to and so as to try to put down a pro democracy movement. and today is trying to exploit that system at its most vulnerable and he had had friends over the last several years. you haven't been living completely lost. elation. go to bloomberg in 2019, at the peak of the civil war and tripoli. he was with it. but you russians who were later, abducted and arrested, and tripoli, and when they were interrogated, it was realized that they were in contact with him for the stomach, and that he was intrigued by rushing capabilities and manipulating elections. he's been planning this for some time where just the latest on the well, i want to get to some of the international connection in a moment, but as you say on us he there was a crack down. but before the crack down, he did have very close ties to a lot of the protest leaders. a lot of the people in that movement. i recall also algebra. i spoke to him back in 2011 and it struck me when i was watching it today . just how much he disavowed those people. let's take a lesson on the 1st and then you forgot it with confusion with more freedom when

democracy elected. i said this many, many times, but it didn't happen because then now you have an upper, i think, you know, i just, you know, you have people who wants to split the country east and west. they want to get 3 or 4 states. now you have people who are terrifying or people. now you have terrorists, you have militia. now the picture is different. wait for surprises. next days you will see what would happen. the libyan people. they walk up from the shock. do realize every think. and now they are acting affecting back and you will see what would happen in the next day. you. so what do you make of that rhetoric? well i think the safer islam has been talking about democracy and human rights and so on and so forth. for a long time. he was, he had disclosure to he called the be a lot of to, to models the be, well, he had

a vision for the be that is, that is completely different from the past. he was full what of the thinking and so on and so forth. he was instrumental in the bring in the 2 d b a. so many opponents of his father was the genes he played, and he didn't own a middle east in politics, placements, and so on and so forth. but like if you're a guest from the board said, i think good the say for the slums. one for the was to make a very, very how the choice between the libyan people and his family or his father. and even though he was talking about democracy and freedom and so, and so what, what was that you see during this particular interview, but he would just hold. but when he came to the in the choice,

he cited with the father of the asleep, in my opinion, the choice of clothing yesterday when he made his candidacy for the presidential election in my view wasn't a good one because it thinks about the images of the conductor in bub allows his e up, but he also wanted to show the libyan people also that he is a changed man. he is wearing the produce more clothes he is going to go a be. and what struck me most is that at the end of, of the session, he did not give a proper speech, but he just quoted something from dave caught it all in the way i looked at it is he studied the living people that i have a changed man,

i am ready for the man. god is my witness but will go into the things i will tell you the things in the right way. you so he said that he made a choice. so that was that moment back in 2011, but really felt like a major turning point now. so i felt like he gave that speech nationally televised speech a lot of people actually at the time, i recall thought that he was actually going to announce that he was taking over from his father. but instead, he said this, let's play this clip. so nat to come home so that $5000000.00 people would take up, arms were not egypt, we're not to nicea, we will all have weapons, blood will flow, rivers of blood in all the cities of libya and the suffer. was that a prediction or was that a threat? oh, a 100 percent accurate to prediction answer unfortunately it's a true very true. we are be living it since 2011 until today. and if i just go back a little bit to touch and the what,

what dennis have said from the stand boone about the russian friends who saved that visited him last year and there were abducted in cancer. it didn't, rebellion interrogated to contrast that they are something, you know, some kind of fresh, an agent there. i have to, you know, clarify this. i investigated the story truly, truly, truly and most go. and i know a true contacts and most school, the organization, the civil organization, non governmental organization. and most could that send the book the to researchers . and they had the permission from the government to libya, and especially for mr. holiday. natalie was the chairman of the supreme council of state, 270 slam, and they already told tribble utility at the time what they're doing, why they're visiting him. and they're the, the, the liberal, it already had the time changed their mind afterwards,

because they wanted to blackmail russia into something else, something different that has to do with subbing supporting massage therapy. there's going to take to be by for having said that, i think we have made too much was about the, the, the kind of abuse safe made yesterday, you know, in terms of clothes. and i don't think there is much to read about this. you know, why should the, why should the bottom civilian or wrong western like how i do one thing and i think here just on the, the international implications and international backing on potential candidates and the selection. so as you mentioned, russia there, do you potentially think that safe is going to have a lot of packing for now? so going forward. yeah. moment of patience though, just to clarify what must of the was saying about those russians at the peak of a civil war when the new york times bloomberg reuters all reported on russian mercenaries and slippers firing in and against civilians living land mines,

and destroying and displacing hundreds of thousands from southern neighborhoods in tripoli, there were 2 members of the russians, russian civil society. that's a, that's a lot more in times. i mean doesn't even exist. the idea that these 2 individuals are walking around forensic registry very much or i am at the stroke. my friend i published diversity, gentlemen, i, i, i really don't want to get too far in teddy is clear, russian men. i like to focus on gun wally online courses or that does things take though you can keep selling was the but i'm not buying or i think anyone else is boy the new york times and bloomberg and stanford university. he also published those reports. you can find them online, they're not buying. so it has been the case that they have been supporting surplus . lemme. and that to date, that's what elections mean. elections don't mean only a serious test of public opinion as what they meant in 2011. they mean are online movements that can be manipulated in social and political sentiment that can be

manipulated and manufactured. the idea that popularity is something that you can hold in your hand and put in your pocket is a myth. it's something that is curated, it's whiteman, and it's fashioned. and that's what, that's why over the last 24 hours, we can see of social media in libya. a massive, massive optic in unorganized traffic and things trickling down through civil society and to libya, trying to get traction for civil islam and tried to push his agenda on to live in people just the iconography alone. i can also just a final asked about what he chose to were. it wasn't one that was the only thing left it was, it had a bit more sense than that and most of our okay, and i want to renew seth in hand because we obviously know that there had been at me huge amounts of international involvement in libya. particularly the contractor the last few years and it's evidence that say, father slam blames the us for much of what's happened since 2011. then we will have seen huge involvement from turkey, the u. e and russia we've been talking about. so use us. who do you think is backing so far as lamb now, do you think, do you agree with us? it, is it moscow?

well, i think most school is one of the major players lead in say for the slum. but i think to a very large extent the situation will be played inside your guest from triple the is right in bulk in about social media and so on, so forth. but this is not just for the case of for the b, we've seen elections, money predicted between relative commas in, even in the u. k. for instance, when the different political parties tried to to defeat the conservative candidates, one multi bed came store the, as a candidates, we sold the reports, united states about the facebook in the, in the trumps it actions these things happen. and they're not necessarily about

really b up, in particular, the build fee of some kind of legitimate between both the commas tactics to get people elected. but the fact that safer is, is the. ready is but, and i believe that he has very good chance of waiting because let's see it this way. over the last 10 years, there has been a revolution against a court on duffy. what are the results get out so many economy and social problems. we didn't really b, up to dead. the country is almost divided and we saw about one instance over the last 3 weeks when the libyan fall minister was removed from office or the dividend to the different reactions to the government and the national council and so on. and so forth. the

instability at the moment in libya, and so many people buy it by perhaps the longest. but i would venture to say the longing but the old days affordable buffy at least in terms of stability. and in terms of the social economic problems they see safety is that somebody who has been involved in these particular policies, especially over the 1st years of the new millennium. he now was the company quite well. he was the different he worked on so many cases for his father. i would say he has 5 years of both french, british, italian american involvement, which he can use as a bargaining chip. ok. sorry i do want to bring in with staffing here because i do

believe that safe l. s. lands team has been also reaching out to me the stuff ahead of his presidential bid. i'm curious as to what you make of his john says i see from one poll, i mean, i know polling is patchy to say the least, but one poll suggested that in one southern region, 57 percent of people say that they support him. is that given that libby is such a fragment, had country, does that hold true across the country? well, more or less, i would say has to be reaching out to me for you know, just go station issues you know, about the different kinds of things that have to do with their conciliation among tribes. olivia. but what you have said about the disability claim is quite a, quite a global inside the country if you like. in the i gives him in the 1st round, the wrong 45 percent to 50 percent, but he will not if he runs of course, he will not make it outright and there will be a 2nd, a 2nd drawn to for voting,

i guess. and that's where he will when i give you another example, maybe we don't have but you know, precise numbers in terms of the balls and you know, that, that you could, you could actually referred to. but, you know, just judging by, you know, follow social media platforms, debbie and social media platforms, you could see it, you know, in terms of, you know, in cities like anyone in their own and the smaller cities, you know, like our more to most of us to publish is still not there and the quite the, the southern west of the country. i think his a borders on 65 percent, you know, just as yesterday and the same goes to southern parts and the western bar west amounts of tripoli as well. he might not cheap that trigger inside to be itself or biology, but i do expect him to when really a different why support is enjoy. now i think about garage and support. i mean,

the russians never actually accept expressed support to any lube in political vigor or marty, but they did indeed receive coverage for voice from mr. sega sam. yes, i do want to move on because we, we do wanted again finally to what this, what implications as might have for libya. and there is a man who we haven't yet discussed and kill if i have to. and he's also running the president. so honest, let me ask you this. i know obviously many foreign leaders, united nations very keen cities elections to take place as scheduled and descended that could they actually potentially actually cause more division then create more stability and unity going forward? absolutely. i mean the center of it for 2nd semester, for philip, a. huff, there it is. to libya enclave in the russian man there been gussy. and in the revolutionary camp, i would say the anti half their camp more expressly is in triple a tenure. you have a mexican standoff from in that's just a terrible lawyer as it is. secondly,

the perception of the elections as they're not going to be free and fair. they're not going to be credible. we're at 5 weeks away from, from elections, not a single one of those candidates that come out and actually compass. so for this lamps, 2 speeches that include references, the strip tease and then stitching together multiple best of the koran. so the intelligible so and then you also have clip after he was supposed to be going for elections, but yeah, it hasn't really thrown his her in for the candidacy yet. so with 5 weeks left to elections and not having spoken to your people, people don't believe that part of the process. they don't believe that that process will be free and fair. incredible. if that is the case and the perception holds. i don't think they'll respect the outcome and even if one of those candidates came up with multi percent or 80 percent or the 45 that must have mentioned, they're not consensus figures. they're not gonna bridge those. the boys there is an existential threat there. all 3 of those camps few by the other and the only way to go. busy through that is the reconciliation process, and it's actually trying to put those things on the line that i don't believe any

of those candidates today have the guts to do. while it's gonna be a sunny, controversial, a few weeks ahead. we'll have to leave it there though, for now. thanks in the meantime, to all of our guests here, sir, for andel, anis alga, marty, and mr. for, for tory and thank you to for watching. you can see this program again any time by visiting our website. that's out there a dot com and to read the discussion digger to our facebook page, that's a facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story. remember, you can also join the conversation on twist them where at ha and find story. i mean, a started a on the halting here and uh huh. like, ah, o, the land of the free. if you are a black or a criminal, you are someone who is supposed to shut up except what america gives you. a new

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