recent freedom to freedom and they are out of date here they are out. so having fear of losing their lives with families. and it's printing more for you and chime on our website. and the address for that is al jazeera dot com, and that's updated throughout the day out a 0 dot com ah top stories on how to 0. the 1st signs of an easing in the border crisis on the european union's eastern frontier with a plan from the nation accused of creating the problem. meanwhile, about $400.00 iraqi migrants of abandoned their attempts to enter the you heading instead for the been a russian capital minsk, they flew from there to bill and ultimately to bagdad many had been stranded at the poland batteries border for more than a week. just as in su,

donna once again clashing with security forces a day after at least 15 people were killed by police gunfire. so here she forces fired tear gas at demonstrations in the capital cartoon as widespread anger at the ministry's refusal to hand back power. after long last month's take over him, a morgan has more from caught him. now the police made their 1st press briefing seems to take over. on thursday they said that they did not use any live ammunition against protesters, and they use the minimum force needed to try to stop processes, and that they only use tear gas and bathrooms and did not fire weapons at protests . as they say. it's the contrary, that happened, and bats protested, attack all these properties in which they had to defend, defend themselves, at least 80 police officers have been injured in the protests on the 13th of the 17th, but protested that is not true. that 6 united nation, a staff have been released from detention. and if you hear the un spokespersons and

5 staff and one family member, remain in custody after the arrest this month. if you, if, you know, sort of rounded up high profile to grinds, as well as you, in staff, in a crack down on the suspected supporters of the rebellious northern forces. several countries across europe are struggling with a new wave of corona virus, numbers of infections. and deaths arising often where vaccination levels are lower than that said, germany, greece, austria. the vacuum and the check with public to impose restrictions on the on vaccinated state of emergencies. in effect, in the canadian province of british columbia. after heavy rainfall triggered flooding and mud slides, authorities have confirmed one death and these 3 people are missing. the number of dead is expected to rise. up next the stream examined the humanitarian crisis on the poland. valerie border, you still with me?

ah ah. ah. i answer me okay, you're watching the stream on today's episode, there are thousands of migrants on the board of bella. ruth, poland. they're trying to get from bella ruth, to the european union via poland, but the authorities in poland won't let them. here's what some migrants told audi syria earlier, just enough is one a couple even if they give us money, we're not going to stay in poland. just opened the fence and we will not stay. the situation is real bad here we're cold. the fire is suffocating us and we can't breathe. no one has come to speak with us about our situation. whether or not that

much of the hunt. this is nancy toilet was there using pepper spray and water and tear gas against the children? is this the human rights of europe? 10 days we've been here without water temperatures or mine is 5. and what can we do? where are the human rights organizations? we were a good country. they invaded iraq in 2003. we've lost everything. we've sold our cars and sold our houses. they've destroyed our country and now this is their human rights regina mod him the live coloma in nevada. we haven't slept since yesterday. our feet are freezing and the only word we can hear is attention attention. eagerly . we have kids, we have wives and they don't want to allow us through than return us back to our countries. we haven't eaten for 5 days, only little foods available for women and kids. we need a safe place. we need to safe country humanitarian crisis. just wait a while to happen. lydia lou cast franak on our panel. it is a thank you so much for joining us. lydia. please introduce yourself to the stream audience. tell them who you are and what you day. hi there. my name is lydia

mentally do. i'm a reporter based in greece. i cover migration and refugees here in this country, but also in europe or more broadly. and i'm also a fellow with the center for if he g studies at york university in toronto. you get to have you hello to you. lucas. thanks for being on the screen. please tell everybody who you are. just she'll hear hearn walker sheesh. now i'm a spokesman of the polish far enough for minutes to farmer to listen historian. and finally, franak. nice to have you on the streaming to teach yourself to global audience. i am also a former journalist, and now i worked with fidelity and oscar villers and exiled to leader shawanda elections and went advantage. but she was forced to leave her country because look at shanker, our dictator, brick the selections. all right, so good to have you all of you guess i, i'm gonna open up the conversation to our audience here watching on youtube. the comment section is right here. you have comments or questions for story that were

taken straight out of the headlines. please let us know what they are and i will put them to the guess. we're going to start on youtube. this is such a story. a big story that we've got questions already. all right, so why are the migrant so motivated to cross into the european union? livia, can you give us a perspective? this is something that you've been reporting on for quite a long time. yeah, so right now i, i am back in greece, but a spent about a week on the poland malory's border on the on the polish side. and i think that i, you know, this, this question is key because despite all the difficulties, ah, that have been reported widely at this point. ah, for refugees to be able to actually cross into the you through beller ruse. you know, people were stuck for a for weeks and some for, for months, ah,

in freezing temperatures with little food, with, with no water. ah, with that you know that without the basic get things that a, that you need to survive. essentially there have been several deaths reported i, i was just seeing a, a headline from the guardian right before coming on this panel about a one and a half year old or one year old from syria that is reported was reported dead. i was there with the baby, was there with their family and, and has just died. and so i, you know, despite all, all of, all of that, people are still choosing to make the journey to, to the beller roost border to tried to come into the you through men sc. and so i think, you know, i, i, i can not lazy about not having, i'm not hearing why, let me share this with because because opponent has been quite firm on this matter,

they do not want these migrant coming into poland. why do you think they even trying to get into permanent because we are in the country lying on the border of the p and, you know, with the dictator who is a dictator in that, and i mean that's polish, but it is a problem. firstly, i would like to come and one thing we hunt immigrants, but we want them if they would come to our country legally with a visa obtain, for example, in general counselor office in the bill. and they will fly to our airport, the war or someone else. we are open for the new growth, but they need to come to our kind of legally. and we cannot lead anyone to aggressively cross an illegally cross our border that's. that's a right of every state. and also those poor people are victims of the person who's victims are people. i am going to call oscar. he, she, them,

he took the money, he organize transport for them to me. so she told them lies that there will be a possibility of crossing the board and, and also she used them as an instrument in his private. what do we do? you know, who told him year ago that he don't want to go president of phillips and that's the beginning of this problem, which makes this little different than other ways of the me grants. because let's say this direction through bill was the poland was oregon. i officially, it's not the path of the me grounds, which was soon to be honest, as like years ago or a year ago through the military and c o. 2 at site pick up because that's quite an accusation. that fellow is, is deliberately enticing migrants to the broader to push them into the european union. and you repeat, yeah, this is for franak. he's good, he's going to pick up, or he's going to pick up a new assessment of the situation that this is deliberately done by belo hispanic.

sure, sure. i think in the community there in the crisis, we are seeing right now near polish. boyer can not be separated from political crisis and brothers, which started in 2020 or even more in the 19th when president lucas younger came to power, he destroyed the parliament, destroyed democracy. he became the auto retiree and type ruler without the parliament, without media. and for 27 years, he was willing to con triple hated him. in 2020, they apprised against him. there were hundreds, thousands of people on the streets. he basically correct down on this protest who'd 35000 people in jails, including all presidential candidates. they were either jailed or pushed, forced to go in exile, and he started the terror in the country. poland and lithuania supported this movement, supported this democratic aspirations of the people and the right. now we are

seeing the revenge and lucas champagne. taking the revenge against paula lithuania for their active brave position and to support the there was the mockery, the courses. and this is just the mean of blackmail over the weekend union to show them you see guys you dont like me. you don't recognize me and hear what they can do against. and we just bringing into our conversation the vice president of open dialogue foundation. he speaks directly to the point that you, you guess i'm making, which is my grants are being abused. let's take a look through limiting access to the press and civil society, the ruling party successfully spins and narrative fall from the situation being solely battlefront with the polish troops guarding europe from a barbarian invasion. no one is doubting that location go, is using migrants to destabilize the buds, more of your skin coupling scheme or using them just us cynically for their own political interest. this crisis will continuum as long as the international

community doesn't see through that. and instead of focusing just on the threat forces, poland, to respected the national law, and to help people instead of weapon ising them just as the question co is doing. no, cas, we have to comment. yeah, of course, that's better because the keys ation bugs mostly look very much going to that with the truth. international low is based on the treaties and the treaties include borders. defense of both that's is very important. both of the international treaty and international relations call out respect. when someone attacks your border, no matter what he's, that's aggression and he got a right, which is important for a state to defend that book. that's the 1st, 2nd, a poland from the beginning of the end of august was open for any kind of humanitarian solution. in almost every week our government was offering estimates.

i didn't close to the bill ever and such just was refused by the russian state. and also it, when that he said above is a nice job, he said the both utilizing about killing people about the breaking into the shallow . let's say that's a very political gesture which the civil case where it is, but a good one. but to this foundation didn't play a very good role in describing, for example, at the beginning of the crisis that we're trying to destroy the fences and border instruments. it was done by the head of his foundation. let's say they don't, they are not considered in poland. as a, as a bundle for such discussion, but ok. the 3rd thing is, if the problem is of course, to make a good money, started 8 in poland and it's still got no government organizational growth

supporting that her. but our border guard is not doing anything illegal or against international mr. mr. lucas, may i ask a question please? i'm sorry. you're jump in a bad, you know, you described this at the beginning of our conversation. what is happening, or the people who are ending up at the borders as victims of, of a, a campaign that some sort of campaign on the ball, the russian side. i, regardless of what information there, you know that they're receiving, based on my reporting information that they will be able to, to come in to the you if they travel through through mence and, and while i was there, i heard numerous accounts of people who do end up at the bell, russian border and who do, who did manage to either make it through. i'm sorry. so if you who did make it to the belgian border and did manage to make it through into poland,

being essentially pink palmed between the 2 sides. some people became so frustrated they, they, you know, wanted to, there are people who, who wanted to leave, but they were not able to leave because they were essentially held back by bell russian, a border guards they were forced to, they were, you know, i'm sure you've seen the reports, they were given clippers and all sorts of things to canadian says it's only is it what was your responsibility yet? but my question is, i mean in that get, given that reality what, what responsibility do you see as an e u country? what kind of procedure have you offered to people i it to be able to apply for asylum for people who are in this situation. people who describe being trapped essentially between these 2 borders and, and do you see a pole and a as a new country, having a response that has the same question as coming from neutral as well. so i do want

to ask that one, go ahead. lucas. my answer is lydia. thank you very much for this. what did you say? what you said, that's a very important 1st the they're not truck between 2 borders, but there is a line and they are dropped of the territory of berlin supposed bellows. he's responsible for that faith. we can only offer to monitor him hope. secondly, dead person will cross illegally polish, but there cannot apply legally about any kind of us element, international or safety cheer according to the polish international law. but if someone is in poland, he could be coped and supported by the military needs, which he secured. but still let us remember board there as close. thus at the city of the bullish state, every kind of crossing of this barbaric is illegal. when people who are described as a truck are of the territory of the bellows, we can only offer them humanitarian 8. if allison, little russian colon look has a thing, do you mind if i, if a, if i may, i was watching on a out, is you

a news children being blasted with water with pepper some kind of pepper irritant in it is, is that ok? because they didn't come to poland, i didn't try to come to poland legally. is that okay to do whatever you need to do in order to stop them? it's not as likely once is using children as the shoots and is putting them 2 together with his parent, with their parents and with the settings. okay, to glass children though you you. okay, you're, you're comfortable with glancing children. no, we are uncomfortable with defending our part of their when someone attacks it including children. this and then jump, can i jump in here? i say that the her, that her holland or is to in what it can do and work. most of the states will do the for borders. we can understand that, you know, let's not blame poland. let's blame those people who brought to these children this

families, this migrants for this situation because this people can not get back. they brought to the forest, they were given grenades, span grenades, they were given this special clippers. they were given stones, especially toward target the border. the coastal gosh, anchor wants to divide. it looks like a just one, this discussions like we have here right now, or should we accept this migrants or not? do poland, respect, human rights are not this exactly what the plan. what was the plentiful question to show like european union doesn't care about human rights. this is why he organized this hundreds of airplanes flying from middle east, bringing this people to the border and created this horrible images. this people are hostages. this people are victims of lucas shanker. definitely, i agree. but let's not blame paul. because basically bullet is also a victim of aggression because pulls so we should find the solution. how to unite international efforts and stop lucas shenker use in children. let me just bring a,

let, let me, let me bring english and less jenko into this conversation. because on november the 15th, he talked about the migrant situation in belarus, and this is what he sat move short dealing with the wants to with the like if you social through else to bring your life ship, a quality of human a fails. not talk to in your life and we got all with pick it up, which lead dillard a suggestion from a lot from jesse be alive, you cut out. resorted abrupt. not the more more at the newton asked. as such, a new filter for nation will go. it up next door was sort of shots and you hortshoi . if one yet, you knew that was rushes. when you finish them julia, i need when you merged with them. mutual liquidity. oh boy, the war and you have to post up a face was the slow season. so they can try and get into the you, you, if they can,

if they can't get in the you, you were put them on plate. some a rack is a, have been picked up and taken home at las vegas as they, they don't have a good place to go back to up but front you saying this is a, a problem that better is created itself. how do we get out of this? because they are dealing with a crazy man who is trying just to stay in power by all possible means in all that he calls myself. like, you know, like i ran away of the country by myself and the same way he's calling and blame in this migrates. you know, he, there are many of them sleeping, intense and minns downtown. and when few of them are trying to apply for asylum in means can billers, they were refused, then they went to one guy, was deported. this is the real attitude to this people. and they were in the saw, sorry for them. and i am really sorry that human rights organization that supposed to help them were destroyed. 6 major human rights organizations where liquidated

them in august. because before this organizations were helping refugees and the asylum seeker like this, this poor families. but right now we're, gosh, uncle doesn't want to help them. they doesn't lead them to stay here. they want to push them in the you, you doesn't let them go. and so there is, there is also the problem. you know, it's a, it's a stale made somehow. this is why we ask international community to react to stop lucas shank at least, to stop bringing you people to stop cheapened them of fallen them. they must know that the way through beller, was it, sir? it's her heartless game where they risk their lives. i want to bring in another voice and cousin and put his tea because a lot of our audience now is saying, so what is the potential solution? how, how does permanent get out of this? how do the my bids get some way with it when they're safe and protected, et cetera. so let's start off with danny's festival. he's a journalist and a data analyst talking about how do the crisis act here? yes. that was should implement solutions,

gainesville cushion her broad economic sanctions. and if necessary, broad economic sanctions should be implemented against coaching as well. equally important to him in this is there a people who reason? oh, dear headed eastern board of the european union, and those people should be allowed in immediately and unconditionally. we cannot call our so humans. if we treat human beings as a means in the geopolitical game. the solution to this crisis is being taught with a perpetrators, but be in kind to the victims of this crisis. because i'm also saying on you shave a number of either a song, what can poland do? what is palin going today? that i think she has to do that. i think we want to do 1st. of course,

both of them is of course defend both close it to show to mr. question that they cannot. and chris, you will be on your you can destroy our safety and cannot pull and use poor people as the instrument of revenge from the european union. the 2nd thing is, of course, to internationalize this coughing, and he's got full support of our partners and friends from the european union, among them, germany, i'm over in france, united kingdom and us in defending the border. and promotion goes aggression. of course, the company at the city and there is such a decision made 4 days ago in brussel on the session of the gospel of the european foreign ministers about widening the sanctions against bellows. probably those sanctions will blow flights and all those businessmen will support this location called procedure. and but we got also people there in poland can offer them a human insight. and a, as i said many times before,

here in medicine, can you do mandatory and aid please? because while i was on the ground there, this was one of the major issues that humanitarian groups were not able to access the restricted, the restricted zone. in addition to journalists, humanitarian groups were not able to get anywhere near the restricted zone where dear friend, they were allotted for my telescope, swear there, but we've got some legal problems. we've got marshall low on those, on those on in this regions. and let's see, command on is looked kenneth golden without the permission of the authorities. much of many of those groups didn't ask for that. but still you are focused on the very small number of people crossed in the border and are in the territory of poland. we still forget about the majority of the people who are suffering the thousands

people who are on the territorial billiards. attacking paula, we are forgetting couple of the real error people responsible for that situation. and poland can offer a humanitarian of 8 both to the people who are on the target of fallen. but mostly it is. yeah. be useful. but them shit for the people. i'm lydia. i want to say i own as my laptop because he sent, i'll send pictures earlier and just talk us through what we're seeing here on my laptop. so with this picture, i'm sorry, i can actually see what you're showing right now, but i, i suspected some of the pictures of the kind of an underground efforts that were at the station in looks like bags of clothes and nappies, etc. yes. yes. and this is my i was asking mr. lucas about the humanitarian aid. and i would love to hear about specific groups that were able to make it to the board to provide assistance a should in our city

centers with the uniforms of the polish border guards here in the global better. so based on my, based on my yeah, i mean, based on, based on my reporting, a lot of this humanitarian a did have to be a distributed through, you know, kind of underground a, you know, ad hoc networks. because there wasn't a system that allowed for that, and so locals would come together, gather donations, and then literally package them. leave them in the forest for people who managed to make it through. there was also a fire station leo, vote this for this. so since lucas and media you on, you're never going to agree. i feel like we can. you can also same question over and over again and video get the same answer and then you want to re oscar. i'm going to leave and put a pause on that for now. i just want to move on with you franak. and this idea,

this phrase of weapon ising migrants have been attached to the way that chicago is dealing with this migrant crisis. just very briefly, do you see it that way too? and could, could the situation escalate into a conflict? i am really afraid and they every day think about this. how to do to not allow this tuition to escalate into conflict. because at some point we sold the $1.00 since forces were ready to use arms when they gave this grenades to migrants to this man, like throw author all to the polish side who were really afraid. so this is why right now, we know we have to make sure there is no escalation, but it will be possible all night case. one question, case complaint. thank you so much, franak lucas, nidia and for your comments and questions about a story that is at the heart of the news right now. do you continue to follow at al serra dot com and on audi 0 english? thanks for watching. i see next time.

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