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it i i am from yeah. okay. you're watching a stream on today's episode. you're going to be looking at this book, mediocre, the dangerous legacy of white male america. the ofa is a joe morello j right. nice to see you walk into the streams. great to have you for a whole 25 minutes that he's not going to be enough. what we gotta do our best. a joe with the title of the book. how many people do you think you trigger? it was the title, the lag? you know, it was hilarious to me because i think that we've been talking about mediocre white man for a very long time. and i felt like it was shocking to new and people are like, wow, such provocative title because i'm like, isn't this what we call this?

so some people certainly were upset about it, but also i think, no matter what i've handled the book, those are people who are not going to pick it up. you know, i, i definitely by the people who know what the, something is wrong. and there are a lot of people who recognize this phenomenon and want to know more about it and how it works and what we can do about it. you took a moment fee, which is quite a personal moment, which is the start of your deciding that you want to write the book. and in what you write is very universal. can you take us back to that moment when you thought i need to put this down in a book? certainly, and i talk about this movie getting of the book, you know, the inspiration for this or lifetime of frustration, but a particular moment. and the moment was, you know, trying to be in a writer to treat with other women. and this was a time to relax to focus on class. it was a treat you know, that was really developed because women so rarely get a chance to focus on their work and all we could really talk about and what we

needed to talk about were these. and then these white man that were impacting our lounging years so heavily and it, as people kept saying why the wife was happening, what is the homeless? you know, i kept seeing the story unfold in kind of the path that led to where we were in particular time and where we are today. and i wanted other people to see, so that we could start looking at the power and some of the as a whole instead of treating each individual bad actor like an individual and since part of the systemic problems. and so i want to really show that story to people, so they can we are live on youtube right now. if you'd like to talk to jona, you absolutely can jump into the comment section and be part of today's discussion questions. start of edward mckinley jemma, who is a big fan of your work. he's in our 1st book, the author wrote that if you are way born raised and living in america, you are

a racist. and we will not be able to reckon with our history of white supremacy our history of racial violence until white people like me already to lean into that fact instructor isn't very strong in our full inner work. as far as questions for the author, i have a 1000000, but i also think it's important that way people like myself start doing the work for themselves. instead of putting people of color in the position of having to mentor as teachers and guide us and ultimately make us feel better about everything we need to do this work. it's our turn. you know, i think that's very true that we do need to do the work and i think it's also important to recognize when people hear um someone say away in chrome, even in western society where you are, you are racist. what services you lose, people get upset because they're like, i'm sold with love. but the truth is, since we're talking about says books. and however, it is treated mom. and we're talking about overarching stories about the value of

population of color that we can't. no one is exempt for and so it is important if you do have that love. if you refer to, there was nothing but love in my heart with youth with all races and ethnicities that you be willing. then to investigate your complicity in violence systems that are hard populations of color. i will just go back a few days on twitter. have a look here at my laptop. and there you go to jo, miss book and there we have a protester, perhaps a variety. i finished reading this book yesterday, prophetic and then a german. you write a whole book about the violence of white mel medical mediocrity. and then you look at the news coming from dc and you say to yourself, yeah, 8 tracks. you take us back in your book to the wild west when the european settlers came to united states in the 1st place. and that is

where you start with your journey. that's a little bit like that. mean, this is how it started. this is how we're doing it. if it, if this is how we're doing is the capital building riot. how do you, how do you draw that timeline between those 2 things? it's almost like you knew what was going to happen. you know, i would say interesting because it was, i'm asking how can you know, how do you know when to put this book out, you write this book, read it right, carmen. unfortunately, i think anytime would be the right time. i think that if you don't know his history, this looks like a surprise to you. like how was it was come from. but if you know your history, you know, that sort of, i was, was an inevitable, inevitable step on this violent past. we've been on since the founding of this country, this country was founded on violence and oppression. and the power that it had to maintain that way. and anytime there's a threat through it, response is incredibly violent, especially to white male power. and so if we look at history,

we see this over and over again. you know, starting with the founding of this country to be violent expansion to the western genocide of native peoples. we see this time and time again whenever we make social progress to the supervisor movement, suitors violent backlash. and what we're seeing today is that same ideology, that idea that might makes right. and that white people in particular, white men have manifest destiny and have a god given right to the land. and the people were seen today that reaffirmation of that entitlements when it feels threaten by social progress. let me show you some schools that are coming from youtube. what am i putting everybody in the same brackets, synonymy fate tree verifying a race? is that not races? there are a number of people who are quite frustrated that they feel that you are talking to

everybody who is a white male. are you i mean, i'm not necessarily saying that every white man is, you know, protesting and are trying to have to actually open supporting by the way. but what i'm saying is that we have a problem in white, no identity, and the white power structure is what i was talking about is a power structure and the most predominant and powerful power structure in this country, inches. you know, what comes with patriarchy and i would say, you know, even in english and told me, see this as well. and so absolutely this who things go from your image, whether you like it or not, if you are a white man. and that means because you benefit from us, you have some responsibility for it. i need to look at it openly. if you can't handle hearing about it because it makes you feel implicated without stopping and going, wait, am i implicate? isn't chances are you're not actually in fast food in making change. you've out of

your comfort over the ways in which the violent system is crushing and killing people of color. little bit here in your book, this is about status by making politeness and melon as their own or we descend to try to send to 5 white men from working to net privilege status. if you are confident you seem to be great just for being white. a male, why would you struggle to make a real contribution to you know, in this that you have seen and got the scripture named names? oh, i mean, i would say, you know, right now. 6 what we're looking at in this country is textbooks for this. if we're looking at many of the people in our senate for looking at the president of the country, we're looking at the leaders of many of our sales. we spend our white men who did the promise that you could be in every day. joe, no special talent and you deserve greatness. what you need is staring what you need

is the ability to overpower others and then you would be another field. a core actually leads to that, but people want that, you know, i think part of the appeal as people like say is donald trump, is that he made any kind of fumbling person who was afraid of their own mediocrity and failure. feel like they could when we looked at some distance, i heard, you know, this is not when you go, yeah. this like this person is strong, smart choices. what you, what you see someone who fails upward time and time again. and that is what we've been told everyone, you know, every white mill should be able to have. and so we see this on a grand scale. but i would also say you ever worked in any kind of office setting or even academia you see the time and time again with someone better. and then they could actually lead. but because we flipped this persona there move ahead of the

people who actually creating and what more. but i will also say part of what this speaks to is. it's a direct conflict because there are many ways you know exactly what it needs to be great and what it takes and what they find it. what is asked for then expected of them isn't actually greatness and there isn't her internal conflict that creates as well. well, white men often feel like failures because perhaps their actions are not bringing the success promised. but it is exactly what our society is telling them to do, to strike out or rather compromise, to use aggression and oppression to get to have. and it, when it doesn't work, when it isn't rewarded the same way, it is rewarded for donald trump. what did i do wrong? you know, when it's not bringing happiness or fulfillment or wondering what am i doing wrong? and so we have to recognize this, this is something that harms everyone, including white map. there's a pot in the book, you a take a moment to talk about some very high profile congress women who,

who came to power in 2018 to alexandra casio, cortez ill hand omar, i yanna presley. and she to, to lead and how them just being in a traditionally male space was irritating the president of the united states. and also a lot of people around them, including their own democratic party. so last summer, i just want to take a little know what were the 4 of them gave a press conference and spoke out about they were not going to be deterred by the president or anybody who was criticizing what they were doing and how they were doing it have, listen despite the occupant of the white house, a tips to marginalize us and to silence us. please know that we are more than 4 people. we ran on a man day to advocate for him to represent those ignored left,

out and left behind. our squad is big. our squad includes any person committed to building a more equitable in just the world. almost any day united states politics, you can see one of those 4 women and having struggle with battling with the establishment parties going on there. i think just old fashioned misfortune, consulting in racism. and i think it's also a threat to our power structures. i think it's really important to recognize that across party lines, people are invested in making sure that any progress we make doesn't rock the boat for much isn't in less political circles. and what these women represent with their new ideas, with their unapologetic focus on the most emotional populations in our society. ringback is a threat to political structures that keep our leadership on the left on top as

well. and so absolutely, we see this, but also what is the white the thought that someone who doesn't look like them would represent something completely, not only for him but hopped out. and so the sweat that they have in not, you know, trying to emulate why not trying to over focus on the most privilege part of our population over the needs of them under privileged for them makes it feel like this is not their representative. it doesn't represent them and therefore does everything america, me have allowed united states to be phenomenal with whiteness in this country. and so i do think it is both inside me and racism that impacts these for women of color who are really trying to the voices for the on her some questions from you to this is mr. solo. how dangerous is black male america?

you know, i think that what we're looking at when we look at patriarchy a picture is dangerous across racial and ethnic spectrums. and i would absolutely say, you know, as a black woman, that many of them in black sons. and you know, that is a risk to us wherever we see plus masculinity, invalid, cherokee systemically, go, oh, black male america is incredibly, isn't howard. and i would say, you know, the risk to our systems, to the average white american is quite low. and so when we talk about this, what i'm talking about our power structures, and when we say who is a publisher to look at representation. when we look at, even, you know, patriots when we look at who is in our management office is and who is in our inner political and our government. we are not seeing an over abundance of black men making choices, you know, that harm us. and so i would say in fact, what we're seeing is the systemic and good liberal disenfranchisement. and in

puzzlement, of black men in this country by a white supremacy system. so i would say who danger as a political structure doesn't exist. what people wrestling with right now and, and, and it's interesting because you've written another book about a race which is see, want to talk about race and, and how difficult it is for some people to even just talk about the obvious as why in front of our faces, but people now in 2021, arresting with this idea of some white males taking out their frustration and then becoming violent. and this is what jarrett, this is how jarrett frames, i'm really interest to see how you see that journey towards violence. his jacket, the crisis of wife masculinity in america is the crisis of america itself. and is

why men feel that they are the victims of perceived persecution, or the belief that they are being left behind in the global economy or in any number of cultural wars and conflicts. they are becoming more and more radicalized and willing to join shifting movements, anti democratic movements, and are becoming more and more politically, and also physically violent. what was interesting in your book, jemma was that design. it started wide at the very beginning from taking away lands from native americans. it didn't seem like it was a new kinds of violence and that's what my takeaway was from watching and reading your book and you analysis that it was fine. a bikes in the beginning of the, the start of america as european americans knowing absolutely,

and i think that we have to recognize that the funding of this country was incredibly violent in google and check. and for the not only with the genocide, the one population of color with the force and placement of another. and then this country was built over generation generation exploitation of labor of population of color. we have to recognize that, that history didn't go away. that in fact, you know, our founding institutions in this country were built a horrible power structures and to make sure that that power was maintained. and if we don't recognize that and learn our history and then learn how this violence is infected in our institutions, we will not be able to rid ourselves of just fire. you know, an education system built off. the pilots doesn't expire. criminal justice system built expire. we 100, we built off, the systems doesn't just expire. we have to actually investigate and tear apart ways much because wed like dependency on youtube. again, if you really inspiring a lot of conversations,

i know i know you're used to this. this is fly with derek. how long is it going to take before things ever change as it seems? america has always had this issue. what is the main things that will lead to change you asked this question, was the ty really? i think it's really important to recognize that part of why we haven't been able to make progress. so these couple of things will happen. one is that we have, you know, almost exclusively framed discussions on race with around personal feelings and personal animals who are a racist, if you walk around actively hating people of color, right? you are sex. and if you walk around actively hating women, and then if not, you are a good person part of the solution. but what we're actually talking about our system, we're talking about systems built to advantage some populations over other systems built to the labor of members of our population and to give people a sense of comfort with that exploitation oppression. and we are told to look at,

you know, personal relationships only because people make money of the system and the power from the system. and one was looking at it. so that when we do in systems right, when we start to make political change to scott mc change, what we see is immediate violence. backlash like we saw this last week, right? because people are so afraid of systemic change and we have to recognize it by dying that we have it then addressing and making the sort of change in our systems . because we've been told time and time again, it's not possible that's a problem life or we have been punished viciously for any progress we make in that area. and so it is model that we look at that and recognize that this is where i work life and we have to push through. we have never ending opportunities. the systems were built by people, they are not immovable. but we are told that they are, and we are led to believe that they are so that we don't do the work. but we are powerful if we come together and actually start engaging in seems to be push for

change we can created. and that if we can create it, there wouldn't be such a violent backlash towards our comforts because people see that change coming. and they are afraid of a journey is a scientist in a community organizer. and this is his take about now what to he to hear. yes. i think there are a lot of people in the united states that are ready to reckon with the racism white supremacy. and the majority of those people are black, brown, indigenous, and people of color from, you know, was primacy. something that threatens our very existence and that is pervasive and his, and better within every system of this country. and so i think it will require white people. i'm giving up the, the advantages of the house for the mere fact that their wife and so that will be the challenge that i will always be the challenge driven isn't really wanted to

touch on because she speaks so comfortably and confidently about white supremacy. a patriarchy. but when you walk on a book like this, there is a, a toe. when you talk about racism, white supremacy and hate, and people who don't like you talking about that, make it very, very clear. can you shed not potty feel? what do you mind? yeah, you know, i think that anyone who, especially if you are a person of color, honestly if you are a black woman we, when you threaten the system, the system comes back for you and people who are investing in the system come for you. and absolutely my experience, while it might seem extreme, if you're not doing this work, is not unfamiliar to many black people who have been fighting for liberation and for change in this country. and so, you know, we've been threatened, we've had the officers brought to our home when we were swatted,

we have had to move from our home due to regular harassment and threats in our home . they says a regular occurrence and it's, i'm not alone. and if you look at history and even if you will get you'll see time and time again, generation after generation, the way in which people are made to pay chris speaking around these systems. but i think it's also important to note that this comes for people everyday people who aren't writing about why, from having to see everyday people of color, who do something, anything that inconveniences the power structure, that inconvenience is whiteness in this country. you are often madness of violence, backlash, and we see this in plenty of our new stories where, you know, black people can't have a barbecue or lemonade without someone calling the police on them. these violent leper cautions are waiting for all of us. no matter what we do, if we ever challenge the system or even inconvenience,

one will come and this is trembling rainy. i'm going to ask if you could answer fatty terrific as can you believe it? we're always at the end of the show. how do you have these types of conversations with people? we're still in denial of how racist america is. you know, i would say this is advice i'm going to give the white people because i believe that this is a conversation that we will need to have with each other. i don't believe this could be written about it. we've talked about it, we have our books, we have our articles, you know, we said what needs to happen. i would say to tell your own journey with other white people share how you came from believing this wasn't a problem because there was a time when you did it, where you are now and take people with you and take them on and tell me where they can join you in making change and investigate where you have to go and show people the changes your work into making yourself and in your life and in your community right now. joe lewis. thank you so much for sharing your thoughts for unpacking a lot of your book for not everything. so if you want to read

a job was work really dig deep decimal, beautiful stories about history. united states that you may not know how to do, we get to where we are right now. so we're actually digging into so she works. i'm going to recommend t one is on my laptop. so you want to talk about race. that's to those 1st book that a geno wrote and that was just a few years ago. and that will help you have those uncomfortable conversations. liz rainy and then oh my goodness. using what cub heaven said when he brought class, what really? ok. the dangerous legacy. a white male power, that is by a job olu. and that is one way that you can also catch up with her work and look out for some of that very many online events where you can hear and talk to a joe morello about her latest book you. she was. thank you for your conversation. really appreciate it. i'm from you. okay, signing off and the ha stream. how addition studio assuming next time

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bosses clearings and now taking over what used to be pristine forest, where giant trees once too tall and cheap. and so you scroll conservation to say the areas swarming with nico timber, la garza, and porches. 4 years ago, the government is sitting in the on east the ban on the timber tree. that decision only open a floodgate of uncontrolled illegal logging. sierra leone is home to more than $5000.00 was to possess more than $1500.00 of them are found in the normal mon, to range and on their prop, from safe. cuz the vision is under pressure to save them after the resumption of looking on the return of poachers. from the al jazeera london broker, fantastic to people in thoughtful conversation with no hope and no limitation, lead to the press of color, it was the struggle. it would be much easier for me, it's mike felt that white people part to go into and sing a song, right,

that in the other people, wait a minute, you get way down, you stop what you're doing and maybe one studio be on square feet on algebra ah, hello and barbara sour in london. these are the top stories on al jazeera, the deputy head of sedans, ruling sovereign council has told al jazeera that the military take over a month ago followed long discussions between the political parties which failed to produce results. general mohammed hummed under gar, low said it was an option known to the prime minister who was detained during the political turmoil. he also denied that his forces were involved in arresting senior officials or detaining activists and protesters. from those who are in a good here, what happened on october 25th was the ultimate outcome of

a long process. since the change started in sudan during such process, many discussions were made and.