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debate. do you think that age should be facilitated? not okay. it's a great, it's a really simple question. let's give samuel a child swans that inside story on al jazeera, with hi anthony. ok. you're watching a stream on today's episode. you're going to be looking at this book mediocre, the dangerous legacy of white male america. the ocean is a joe morello j right. nice to see you walk into the streams. great to happy for a whole 25 minutes that he's not going to be enough. what we gotta do our best. a joe with the title of the book. how many people do you think you triggered was the title, the lang good. you know it. ringback was. ringback close to me because i think that we've been talking about mediocre white man for a very long time. and i felt like it was shocking to me when people are like wowza to provide the title because i'm like, isn't this what we call this?

so some people certainly were upset about it, but also i think no matter what i've handled the book, those are people who are not going to pick an ash, you know, i definitely by the people who know what the something is wrong. and there are a lot of people who recognize this phenomenon and want to know more about it and how it works and what we can do about it. she, you took a moment fee, which is quite a personal moment, which is the start of the signing that you want to write the book. and in what you write is for how universal can you take us back to that moment when you thought i need to put this down in a book? certainly a, and i talked about this movie getting of the bus, you know, the inflation for this morning. and left him a frustration, but i think you were moment and the moment was, you know, trying to be in a retreat with other women. and this was at times new lack to focus on a craft treat you know, that would be developed because women. so we are, we get a chance to focus on their work and all we can really talk about and what we needed

to talk about where these then these white men that were impacting our years so heavily. and it, as people kept saying, you know, what was happening, what is we have in this? you know, i kept seeing the story unfold in front of the path that led to where we were in killer time and where we are today. and i wanted other people to see it so that we could start looking at the pollards and society as a whole. instead of treating each individual bab actor like an individual. and so part of the system a problem. and so i want to really show that story to people, so they can we are live on youtube right now. if you'd like to talk to jermel, you absolutely can jump into the comment section and be part of today's discussion . questions of edward mckinley, joe, who is a big fan of your work, he's in our 1st book, the author wrote that if you are way to warn, raised,

and living in america, you are a racist. and we will not be able to reckon with our history of white supremacy our history of racial violence until white people like me already to lean into that fact and start doing some very strong and powerful inner work. as far as questions for the author, i have a 1000000, but i also think it's important that way people like myself start doing the work for themselves. instead of putting people of color into position is having to mentor as teachers and guide us and ultimately make us feel better about everything we need to do this work is our turn. you know, i think that's very true that we do need to do the work and i think it's also important to recognize when people hear um someone say away in chrome, even in western society where you are, you are racist. whatever. since you leave, people get upset because they're like, i'm sort of love. but the truth is, since we're talking about systems in however, it is treated mom and we're talking about overarching stories about the value of

population of color that we can't. no one is exempt for and so it is important if you do have that love. if you refer to the wife, nothing but love in my heart with you will all races and ethnicities that you be willing. then to investigate your complicity in violence systems that are harmed populations of color. i will just go back a few days on twitter. have a look here at my laptop. and there you go to jo, miss book and there we have a protester, perhaps a riot. her. i finished reading this book yesterday. prophetic. and then a german. you write a whole book about the violence of white mel medical mediocrity. and then you look at the news coming from dc and you say to yourself, yeah, 8 tracks. you take us back in your book to the wild west when the european settlers came to united states in the 1st place. and that is

where you start with your journey. that's a little bit like that. mean, this is how it started. this is how we're doing it. if it, if this is how we're doing is the capital building riot. how do you, how do you draw that timeline? between those 2 things, it's almost like you knew what was kind of habit. you know, i would say it's interesting because people isn't asking how can you know, how do you know when to put this book out? me write this book, read it right, carmen. unfortunately, i think anytime would be the right time. i think that if you don't know his history, this will close supplies to you. like, how was it to come from. but if you know your history, you know, that sort of, i was, was an inevitable, inevitable step on the violent past. we've been on since the founding of this country. this country was founded on violence and oppression. and it's the power that it had since that way. and anytime there's a threat through it, response is incredibly violent, especially to white male power. and so if we look at history,

we see this over and over again. you know, starting with the founding of this country to be violent expansion to the western genocide of native peoples. we see the time and time again whenever we make social progress to the supervisor movement, we, susan violent backlash. and what we're seeing today, you know, is that same ideology, that idea that might makes right. and that white people in particular, white men have manifest destiny and have a god given right to the land and the people in the were seen today. that reaffirmation of that entitlements when it feels threatened by social progress, never sure he says source the are coming from you chip, william i putting everybody in the same bracket, synonymy fate tree verifying a race. is that not race? is there a number of people who are quite frustrated that they feel that you are talking to

everybody who is a white male? are you, i mean, i'm not necessarily saying that every white man is, you know, protesting and or trying to have a coo actually opened new supporting by the way. but what i'm saying is that we have a problem in white, no identity, and the white power structure is what i was talking about is a power structure. and the most predominant and powerful power structure in this country, inches wide premises. patriarchy, and i would say, you know, even in told me, see this as well. and so absolutely, the 2 things from your image, whether you like it or not, if you are a white man. and that means because you benefit from us, you have some responsibility for it. i need to look at it openly. if you can't handle hearing about it, because it makes you feel implicated without dropping and going way am i implicated when children are not actually in fast food? it making change?

you value your comfort over the ways in which the violent system is crushing and killing people of color. little bit here in your book, this is about status by making politeness and melon as their own or we descend to try to send to fight white men from working to net privilege status. if you are confident you seem to be great just for being white male, why would you struggle to make a real contribution to you know, in this that you have seen and got the scripture named names? oh, i mean, i would say, you know, right now. 6 what we're looking at in this country is textbooks for this. if we're looking at many of the people in our senate for looking at the president of the country, we're looking at the leaders of many of our sales. so we spent our white men who did the promise that you could be in every day, joe, of no special talent and you deserve greatness. what you need is staring what you

need is the ability to overpower other and then you would be another field. a core actually leads to that. but people want that, you know, i think part of the appeal people like say is donald trump is that he made any kind of fumbling person who was afraid of their own mediocrity and failure. feel like they could look at her. you know, this is not when you go yeah, this like this person extras, smart choices. what you, what you see someone who fails upward time and time again. and that is what we've been told. everyone, you know, every white mill should be able to have. and so we see this on the grid scale, but i would also say you ever worked in any kind of office setting or even academia you see the time and time again with some of the better. and then they could actually lead. but because we fix this persona, they are move ahead of the people who actually creating and what more. but i will

also say part of what this speaks to is, is a direct conflict because there are many ways and trying to figure out exactly what it needs to be great and what it takes, what they find is, what is expected of them isn't actually great and then there's one conflict that creates as well. well, white men often feel like failures because perhaps their actions are not bringing the suppressed promise. but it is exactly what our society is telling them to do, to strike out a little nother compromise, to use aggression and oppression to get ahead. and when it doesn't work, when it isn't rewarded for what you do for what for donald trump, for funding, what did i do? you know, when it's not bringing happiness or fulfillment or wondering what am i doing wrong? and so we have to recognize this is, this is something that harm every, once you get a part in the book, you take a moment to talk about some very high profile congress women who,

who came into power in 2018 to alexandra casey. oh, who has had oma ayana presley and she did her head. and how then just being in a traditionally male space was irritating the president of the united states and also a lot of people around them including their own democratic party. so last summer, i just want to take a little moment where the 4th, it gave a press conference and spoke about they were not going to be deterred by the president or anybody who was criticizing what they were doing and how they were doing it. despite the occupant of the white house attempts to marginalize us and to silence us, please know that we are more than 4 people. we ran on a mandate to advocate for and to represent those ignored left,

out and left behind. our squad is big, our squad includes any persons committed to building a more equitable in just the world who has any day united states quality? she can see one of those for women and having struggle with battling with the establishment parties going on there. i think just old fashioned miss fuzzy and racism and i think there's also a threat to our power structures. i think it's really important to recognize that across party lines. people are invested in making sure that any progress we make doesn't rock the boat for much reason in less political circles. and what these women represent with their new ideas, with their unapologetic focus on the most emotional populations in our society. ringback is a threat to political structures that keep our leadership on the left on top as

well. and so absolutely, we see this, but also what is the white the thought that someone who doesn't look like them would represent something completely, not only for him but hopped out. and so the sweat that they have in not, you know, trying to emulate why not trying to over focus on the most privileged part of our population over the needs of them under privileged for them makes me feel like this is not their representative. it doesn't matter, sam, and therefore does everything america gives me the loud united states to be phenomenal with whiteness in this country. and so i do think it is both insulting and racism that impacts these for women of color who are really trying to voices for the on her. some questions from you to this is mr. solo. how dangerous is black male america?

you know, i think that what we're looking at when we look at patriarchy, patriarchy is dangerous across racial ethnic spectrum. and i would absolutely say, you know, as a black woman, that many women bucks on, you know, that is a risk to us forever. we see toughness, you're in the stomach go, black male america is incredibly empowered. and i would say, you know, the risks to our systems, to the average white american is quite low. and so when we talk about this, what i'm talking about our power structures, and when we say who is the publisher to look at representation. when we look at even, you know, pay grade when we look at who is in our management offices and who is in our political and our government. we're not seeing an over abundance of last men making choices. you know, that harm up. and so i would say in fact, what we're seeing, the systemic literate disenfranchisement and improvements of black men in this

country by white supremacy system. so i would say danger as a political structure doesn't exist. well, people wrestling with right now and i. and it's interesting because you've written another book about a race which is so you want to talk about race and how difficult it is for some people to even just talk about the obvious why in front of our faces. but people now in 2021 arresting, this is my dear, of some white males taking out their frustration and then becoming violent. and this is what jarrett, this is how jared framed the. i'm really interesting to see how you see that, that journey towards violence. his job, the crisis of wife masculinity in america is the crisis of america itself. and is

why men feel that they are the victims of perceived persecution, or the belief that they are being left behind in the global economy or in any number of cultural wars and conflicts. they are becoming more and more radicalized and willing to join shifting movements, anti democratic movements, and are becoming more and more politically, and also physically violent. what was interesting in your book, jemma was that design. it started right at the very beginning from taking away lands from native americans. it didn't seem like it was a new kinds of violence and that's what my takeaway was from watching and reading your book. can you analysis that it was fine, a bite from the beginning of the, the start of america as european americans knowing absolutely,

and i think that we have to recognize that, that the founding of this country was incredibly violent and brutal and check for them. not only with the genocide of one population of color but with the force and placement of another. and then this country was built over generation generation exploitation of labor of population of color. we have to recognize that, that history didn't go away. that in fact, you know, our founding institutions in this country were built a horrible power structures and to make sure that that power was maintained. and if we don't recognize that and learn our history and then learn how this violence is infected in our institutions, we will not be able to rid ourselves of it doesn't just fire, you know, an education system built off. the silence doesn't expire. criminal justice system built expire hon and we built off the system. doesn't just expire. we have to actually investigated and tear apart ways from which because wed like dependency on youtube. again, if you really inspiring a lot of conversations drive,

i know i know you're used to this. this is fly with derrick. how long is it going to take before things ever changed since it seems america has always had this issue . what is the main things that will lead to change? you ask this question over the time really. ringback i think it's really important to recognize that part of why we haven't been able to make progress. so there's a couple of things that happen. one is that we have, you know, almost exclusively frame discussions on race was around personal feelings and personal. and the most races, if you walk around actively hating people of color, right? you are sex. and if you walk around with actively hating women, and then if you not, you are a good person part of the solution. but what we're actually talking about our system, we're talking about systems built to advantage from populations over other systems built to the labor of members of our population and to give people a sense of comfort with the exploitation on oppression. and we are told to look at,

you know, personal relationships only because people make money of the system and being powerful. i don't want to looking at it so that when we do in the systems, right, when we start to make political change to scott mc change, what we see is an immediate, violate backlash like we saw this past week, right? because people are so afraid of systemic changes, we have to recognize that by dying that we haven't been addressing and making sort of change in our systems. because we've been told time and time again, it's not possible is that the problem life or we have been punished viciously for any progress we make in that area. and to this model that we look at and recognize that this is why you have to push through. we have never ending up from these systems were built by people. they are not immovable. but we are told that they are, and we are led to believe that they are so that we don't do the work. but we are powerful if we come together and actually start engaging systems to be pushed for

change, we can create it. and that if we can create it, there wouldn't be such a violent backlash towards our comforts because people see that change coming. and they are afraid of adrian is a scientist in the community organizer nbc is his take about. now what to do here is i think there are a lot of people in the united states, they're ready to reckon with racism white supremacy. and the majority of those people are like brown, indigenous and people of color. you know why supremacy is something that threatens our very existence and that is pervasive and embedded within every system of this country. and so i think it will require white people giving up the advantages that they have for the mere fact that they're white. and so that will be done, the challenge will always be the challenge driven isn't really wanted to touch him

because he speaks so comfortably and confidently about white supremacy patriarchy. but when you work on a book like this, there is a toll. when you talk about racism, white supremacy and hate and people who don't like you talking about that, make it very, very clear. can you share not part of your what do you mind? yeah. you know, i think that anyone who, especially if you are a person of color, honestly if you are a black woman, we, when you threaten the system, the system comes back for you and people who are investing system come for you. and absolutely my experience, while it might seem extreme, if you're not doing this work, is not unfamiliar to many black people who have been fighting for liberation and for change in this country. and so, you know, we've been threatened, we've had, you know, officers brought to our home when we were swatted,

we have had to move from our home due to regular harassment and threats in our home . they says a regular occurrence and it's, i'm not alone. and if you look at history and even if you will get you'll see time and time again, generation after generation, the way in which people are made to take chris speaking around these systems. but i think it's also important to note that this comes for people everyday people who aren't writing about why, who have missy everyday people of color, who do something, anything that inconveniences the power structure that inconveniences whiteness in this country, you are often madness of violence, backlash when we see this in plenty of our new stories where, you know, black people can't have a barbecue or eliminated without someone calling the police on them, right. these violent repercussions are waiting for all of us. no matter what we do . if we ever challenge the system or even in one will come and this is trembling

rainy, i'm going to ask if you could answer fatty certificate, can you believe that we're always at the end of the show? how do you have these types of conversations with people? we're still in denial of how racist america is. you know, i would say this is advice i'm going to give to white people because i believe that this is a conversation that we will need to have with each other. i don't believe this could be written about it. we've talked about it, we have our books, we have our articles, you know, we said what needs to happen. i would say to tell your own journey with other white people share how you came from believing this wasn't a problem because there was a time when you did it, where you are now and take people with you and take them on and pass me where they can join you in making change and investigate where you have to go and show people the changes your work into making yourself and in your life and in your community right now. joe lewis. thank you so much for sharing your thoughts for unpacking a lot of your book for not everything. so if you want to read

a joan was work really dig deep lesson beautiful stories about history. united states that you may not know. how do we get to where we are right now? so we're actually digging into said 2 books. i'm gonna recommend t one is on my laptop. so you want to talk about race. that's to the 1st book that a geno wrote and that was just a few years ago. and that will help you have those uncomfortable conversations. liz rainy and then oh my goodness, using what cub heaven. so when he brought class, what really ok, the dangerous legacy of white male power, that is by a jo olu. and that is one way that you can also catch up with her work and look out for some of the ferry, many online events, where you can hear and talk to a joe morello about her latest book you cheapest. thank you for your conversation. really appreciate it. i'm sorry, ok, signing off and the ha stream. how addition studio assume you next time

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