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identification of the army corn variant. this is a clear and completely unjustified departure from the commitment that many of these countries made at the meeting of the g. 20 countries in rome. last month. cases have now been found in more than 10 countries, and a number have added travel restrictions all foreigners on now bought from entering israel for 2 weeks. a top in the u. s. infectious disease official. anthony found she has been meeting president joe biden. he told him it will take about 2 weeks to get clear information about the trans mr ability of the on the cron variance. polls are closed in honduras, where people are choosing who will replace president, one, orlando hernandez is time in office, has been played by chronic unemployment violence and allegations of corruption left his candidate, shimara. castro is hoping to oust the governing right wing national party and became, and become on doris 1st. female president. arrival is the current mayor of the

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tensions a high once again, between russia and ukraine, moscow's deploying troops along the border. and here is warning of a possible invasion. what's triggered this crisis, and can it be contained? this isn't as sort ah, ah, hello, welcome to the program. i mean, ron count. ukraine is accusing russia of mobilizing tens of thousands of soldiers near the shed border. the movement of russia's 41st army units is raised fez, a military offensive might be on the way. it's the 2nd time this year. moscow is a mass combat ready forces in the region. on friday, ukrainian president vladimir zalinski had russia, was planning a coo to overthrow his government. moscow rejected those allegations. i'm blamed

kiev and the us for the escalating tensions present. joe biden says he's likely to speak to both leaders to ease the dispute. russia seized ukraine's at crimea region in 2014 and back separatists territories in the east. nato has warned moscow that any attempt to invade ukraine would have serious consequences. we'll get to again shortly, but 1st this update from charl stratford in easton, ukraine ross's intentions of course, remain unclear, but one thing is certain, and that's moscow. continuously denying that it has any intention of invading ukraine. and that's the kind of language, the kind of accusations that are being made by certain western leaders and the international media language that the kremlin is described as being both malicious and hysterical. we also know though, that president putin is very unhappy with the ukrainian leadership here, describing it as foot dragging in implementing its side of a peace agreement signed in 2015. an agreement that so many analysts say is very

much weighted in russia's favor and could potentially give russia too much control of ukrainian internal affairs that meanwhile, the international community, ukraine's allies in nato, the us, france, and germany, for example, warning russia of serious consequences. if indeed, there was to be a further escalation, but it remains to be seen just how far they would go to protect ukraine. if indeed such a disaster was to handle char stratford for inside story in abbey of cur, easton ukraine. the annexation of crimea in 2014 worse and ties between the west and russia. moscow sees the region from ukraine in march, 2014 prompting international condemnation and sanctions. and the following month war broke out in east, in ukraine between russian backed separatists and the ukrainian army. more than

13000 people been killed in the fighting. and at one point about a 1500000 people were displaced. now, in 2015, france and germany broke at a peace agreement per efforts to reach a political settlement. have failed. ah, that's broken, i guess. joining us live from care of alexi her, an, a professor at the kia, the marya academy, and the director of research at democratic initiatives foundation from fairfax, virginia, john herbst. he's the senior director of the atlantic councils, erosion center, and a former us ambassador to the ukraine. and from moscow, pavel falcon, how he's a defense of military analyst and a column is foot nevuk, is that a warm welcome to you all? let's begin in care of 1st with alexi. hereon, there's no way vladimir putin is actually going to invade. is he? well, we don't know, we don't know what other calculations of which is we need to know. busy that

actually go to invade the ukraine in 2014. he and that crimea in violation of all the international agreements including gradually agreed. and then he moved. he's a regular groups in the bus, in the east. oh, great. so i put in, invaded the ukraine, russian troops here. and despite all the agreements that were assigned to regarding ceasefire and the 1st 5 also signed in 2014, the next and 2015. ringback you have, you met us, use fire. now you also use fire. but i've just checked the pool, the daily report, or special when you are in mission, all or se, organization for security, done good gratian in europe. and just yesterday there were 800

violations, all cease fire one the. so basically that he's on point grass and ukrainian with ups and downs. we don't see a large military offensive right now. but at any time, there could be a possibility. but so alexi, what you're saying is, effectively the war never ended from 2014, the continued violations. yeah, yeah, i hear that you are sincerely surprised, but this is a fact because ok, as i have said, grania is all you buy and even don't boss. one 3rd of them boss, which is around 2 percent of ukrainian, that is what you're buying by russia. each pop it resumes and 0, there are violations. busy every day and ukrainian soldiers and civilians

are being killed. well, that's bringing power fell. going to how i hear from moscow. what do you make of those comments of the war never ended. the civilians are dying every day. oh, yes, it didn't really, and there is no political solution, and skirmishes have continued in the done boss for many years already though the line of control has not changed. so it's a kind of standing conflict. you can call a fully frozen because skirmishes continue, but that's a very low level. and since there is no political solution and right now, there seems to be no meaningful negotiations. even plan and an arm and the so called format has be now so frozen. that means there is a possibility of a escalation of the fight thing. and the rhetoric on both sides is becoming

increasingly toxic. i mean, on all sides. and that's a very dangerous situation. it's not an imminent conflict, maybe escalation, but it's potentially very serious and could come in months or maybe even a number of weeks a pub. we'll just talk to me about vladimir putin and thinking why now, and why this level of escalation all the level of escalation has been building up our during the years, and especially in the year 21. we're lucky break out into our big region alone. but the threat is there a mosque of has said many times that they are red lines, the integration of ukraine into nato, and the urine. so they go american military assets on gradient

territory is totally unacceptable for russia and meaning that most likely rushes in . the last resort is ready to go to war to prevent that. but there is a possibility of still resolving the thing without a confrontation, but with each passing on the possibility of a region, a war is growing. well, one of the players in the conflict will be, or is, in fact a joseph biden. the u. s. president, we have the former us ambassador to the ukraine. a john hub, still sat with us in fairfax. john, i mean, is it, he's in a rock and a hard place. he'd like, how does biden deal with this? if he doesn't act on ukraine, he's going to be seen as being weak. but if he does act, there's a, there's a threat to russia. there look, i think by understands will the danger of the current situation um moscow launched an aggressive war against ukraine in 2014,

which continues to this day. they ceased crimea, and they began as cover military operation done boss. the current military operation done boss was designed to crush a key if to pursue the end is pursuit of a western leaning for foreign policy. hooton's operation done boss to sell is limited. limited military aggression in don boss has not moved ukraine direction. he was, that's what he's threatening oscar, which by unrecognised escalation would be a very bad thing for american interest. that's why he stated very clearly and his secretary of state and separative, st offense have stated very. ready clearly that there will be punishing additional sanctions on russia. if guten escalate substantial. we are also sending more military supplies to ukraine, so the ukraine will better be able to defend itself. now it's true, the russian military is much stronger than ukrainian motor. and rush can probably

seize any point in ukraine. it wants to use its full conventional military forces including its air force includes navy. but it's also true that many russian soldiers will die in that case. and the russian public has said multiple times, and polls conduct bundle of oddison to they don't want russian troops fighting in ukraine. they don't want russia to be fighting against you. so for bruton to escalate substantially is a very serious gamble. and by and i think is speaking in clear and strong terms about what would happen if bruton doesn't in care a likes he just had well august in virginia is i had to say now ukraine gets a lot of military aid from the u. s. government already has been getting it since 2014, it's got a partner effectively in the u. s. is the u. s. going to be able to be a broke off of he say old you think their role is it's, it's well too complicated for law for something as simple as that. so

1st of all, oh we, we here since 2015 we hear us from again, does. russian needs to invade ukraine because of threats from naples? and this is thought ally, ally, because before to actually 2014 ukraine had known block status support as of nato in the ukraine. we're all we're seeing minority because we ukrainians believes that we could have good pragmatic relations with the rush. we had the 3 with rush, we had the budapest memorandum where russia, rome is to be a guarantor of ukrainian territorial integrity. so there was no talk about later in 2014. and then in 2014 russia aggression stopped. and it completely changed the views of you great,

that we saw that in any case we're, even if ukraine is outside of, even if you grant is in utica, it doesn't prevent from russian aggression. that's why i definitely will need the support from service. and we understand that nobody will fight for ukraine because we are not in the go. so what we are asking since 2014 is military hill. unfortunately, this military help was delayed. president obama deeply provides was his help. ah, the javelins and they've done a weapons ukrainian started to receive only on the ground with ministration. so i would say that the military support is quite limited. so walter, ashley saying that, oh,

we had the red line because of nato because of american build up in ukraine. totally ally because the russian troops, i live inside in russia, if you're buying you career. so what is important definitely at z spoil is an increase of military support. first of all, and then 2nd to point to one russia. it bowed extension economic sanctions. now's the right mix sanctions against russia. one is important east, one quote, that in case that it will have dramatic consequences for russia in economics fair. let's bring in pablo, fog and how a her and moscow, where's the writ, wiggle room. where is the negotiation room here? if president biden does follow up on his comment, that he will speak to both the leaders of here and a moscow in order to try and de escalate the situation. what's he going to go in and negotiate? well yes, this is summer being prepared right now,

both washington and moscow white house and the crime when they're working on the agenda. it should happen before you year. it's going to be virtual. it's going to be kind of a be a screen and telephone conversation. but your grade is going to be very high on the agenda, but i do moscow hubs that brinkman ship. that being right now use a possible regional war with the threat of an escalation into all european or i don't know, global conflict. the dad, we'll move the united states to change somewhat, this position to put pressure on here to become more flexible and fall, give russia water once on the so called names agreements. so that's most likely right now, going to be the thing because there's

a lot of talk of russian forces on the wonder if they are, there are some, i'm already, but the time of year right now is wrong for any kind of major military escalation. a winter campaign can begin 2nd half of january, but not earlier than that. so now is the time for negotiations, and apparently there will be happening. but how intense and how effective they're going to be. it's not clear. well, let's bring in a journal herbs her. i mean, i guess the moscow says the negotiations are not clear, but they do need to happen. what can the americans offer, and what would the russians take in order to de escalate? can? i don't think i don't think negotiations necessary at all. i think what's needed is a strong wanting to put but the nasty things of what happens is roneesh itself and russia. if in fact proven escalators is our aggression against you crate. again, talking about major sanctions that military assistance to ukraine is the way to go

on the war and done boston. and when put decides that it's no longer his issues of then negotiation will be important for the oceans are important right now. what's important right now is a strong stamp that becomes a basis for eventual negotiations. ready but they also needs to meet with bride in order not to escalate. that's fine. but what again, most important to prevent this from becoming a wider war is a very strong warning to put in about a dangerous things that will happen. tim, to russia. if he again escalates crush yet, but i only works if biden actually follows through. i mean, you're giving the javelin anti tank defense systems already. you've got billions of dollars worth of military aid going to the ukraine. all of those things. russia says actually have escalated the situation, those need to be withdrawn and then we might be able to talk. i mean, you got to follow through. right, right. but this fishing would you just the outline is i think puzzles logic. logic

is correct. that putin is trying vibration shipped to gain concession. why in the world we accept this? no, the, the, the, the situation around your pain is certainly dangerous and it become more dangerous . but it's not as dangerous as the berlin crisis in 1961. if you're in missile crisis, 1962, when, when kremlin brinkman ship, ah, brought the world to thermonuclear war, the threshold with them on the war. we are much stronger than russia today. oh, there's no reason why we need to panic. so again we, we produce a strong reaction, i think by just doing that. and then the russians want to talk, that's fine. but the most important thing is that strong reactions to put knows the consequences, the nasty consequences for his team. if in fact, he escalates alex, him going to bring you in here in just a moment by do and a half from puzzle and moscow. what do you make of own john hubs? cummins most we hear from russia,

moscow different opinions coming out of washington. and in the present situation, even from the by ministration. but those of course there have been warnings. there have been contacts, they'll be more likely more in moscow. they also have different opinions there. those are the problematic, the foreign ministry defense ministry, kind of party of war guys who believe that now is a good time to make the have a final solution of the gradient problem. and there are those in with, in the president, booking surrounding to believe that that's a bad idea that russia will very b c come under very serious economic financial sanctions. and that's not good. that's bad for internally and externally and put in as a time and seen these different opinions. and he has the final solution. last

spring, a really big russian contingent. i mean, hundreds of thousands of were mobilized and the concentration of forces in the black sea and the on the ukrainian border was much higher than today. but we didn't give the go ahead and we don't have a war in 21. we won't have. so it's possible that when you come to the brink and retreat from it, but more consolidating message coming from washington would be better than it is hearing. different kinds of voices, like say, i, america, if it was up to john hubs, would definitely have your back. do you believe that president joe biden is go, has the ukraine's best interest at heart? you think he's your guy? look every can day. is that? well, what a sink by the nose you can very well when he was vice president in the bomb as

administration, he was actually responsible for relations with our was ukraine, and he knows ukraine very well in those forms across in the ukraine. so he understands the great, i would say. so what we need also to understand is that basically we look, this is politics, you know, and we don't know what exactly who to do as bottle said. so putting may be only just, you know, increasing stakes in a gamble, but what he would like to receive, he is then he will decrease the stays and he would like to receive something in exchange. that's the whole idea. that's what happened in spring 2002 springs this year because i believe, why would you increase tension? is to push through non stream to. so basically he paid

a large armament to build up on the board. the only claim that he was drawn, you said ok, you see, i'm not going to war less push for north street instead. so that's what i would like to have. i guess i hope the president biden and his administration would they do understand will put in one's own, they would bet you great look points and will be announced. piece was ukraine. if you grant could be too late. if you grade accepts, put in terms of piece of book and said ok, i'm fine with. so the problem is, you know, that stays in europe. they do not sacrifice ukrainian national in that's important . john hubs wed is nato in all of this. oh they

to, i think is playing a, an important role in the current crisis. and when you see an increase in nato ships in the black sea, all was a way of similar single to moscow. oh, so it clearly has a role. ready but i think you see an even greater role played by individual nato countries. started with united states, but also canada, the u. k. and poland in the gold who all understand very clear fashion. the threat of what mr. who's up to one, chris borders. one final comment then from puzzle fog and how you've heard what john has to say about nato's role? surely that's the one thing that really does anger. vladimir putin, him behind a lot of what is going on right now? actually, i don't know, the extension of major is seen as the ultimate threat for quite some years already . and that's the backbone now,

put in foreign policy to resist the nato extension. and, but it's not only, of course, thank you as a sweetener at a member of nato, but it's right now providing help and training or help to your, the grading. and so it's not even more than later. it's kind of the list i to try and balance the russian pressure on your grade. this is a, what i'm really afraid of. i would say, if the troops begin to move somewhere, january go begins to actually get the plan. $3030.00 plus 30, moving to the troops from european countries from america, actually do romania and poland. russia begins moving troops. if we go on to that stage of a confrontation, it would be very hard. i want to thank all our guests, alexey her, and her john herbs to and at pablo fall, going to her. and i want to thank you guys as well for watching. now you can see

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