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an and asking every one else to go away, but they have no where to go. jobs are alkalis at the malika and it's all a refugee camps. ah, this is al jazeera, these are your top stories, south africa's health minister since the country has entered its 4th wave of corona virus infections fueled by. the new army. kron variant, more than 11 and a half 1000 infections have been confirmed in one day. he has reports of all the kind of 38 countries in all 6 w h o regions and we do see increasing trending on the current in south africa. so there is a suggestion that there is increased trends this ability. what we need to understand is if it's more or less transmissible compared to delta, that delta vary is still dominant worldwide. it's important to keep in mind. so we need to see how owner crime compares with kilten when they're both circulating in the population at the same time. shanicea and mexico are the latest countries to an
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unsafe detected the new variant, almost 40 other countries and territories of reported omicron infection so far. germany's battling a devastating 4th wave, the government says one percent of his population now has cope with 19. it's imposing major restrictions, including banning unvaccinated people from most public places. it gets at home. anyone who is still hesitant should realize what the situation is. more than one percent of germans currently acutely infected. the air force is currently transferring many patients per week across the republic. i for one very concerned about these images. iran's chief negotiator has sold this channel that world powers can't reject draft proposals. it's submitted during talks in vienna, in an exclusive interview, ali, bacardi county, says, all nuclear related sanctions from the u. s. should be removed immediately. the discussions are aimed at bringing iran in the us back into the deal. ukraine's
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a deal within reach if the west shows good will. that is the message from iran after submitting proposals to revive the 2015 nuclear agreement. but as good will enough, and can you deal hold this time? this is insights, talk ah lobo to program on kim vanelle are on has submitted to draft proposals to european powers, negotiating the revival of the 2015 nuclear agreement. the 7th round of talks and the air is aimed at bringing iran and the us back into the deal. they're expected to resume next week. but competing visions of the countries involved make success a very long shot. the talk them into limit iran's nuclear program and exchange for
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sanctions relief. your secretary of state, sadly, blinkin says there is little cause for optimism to iran, is doubting washington's determination to revive the 2015 accord around chief negotiator had a bargain. carney told sal dessert in an exclusive into the world powers cannot reject its draft proposals. and he hashem has more from vienna. ali about going economy around is deputy foreign minister on top negotiator spoke to us as an exclusive interview. he explained his countries fostered with respect to the new care folks taking place here in vienna. they're going to be their proposal tape and by iran cannot be rejected. i told because they are based on the provisions of the 2015 nuclear agreement. in principle, the countries which are still the participants of the j. c. a, they do not want to ruins the nuclear document. all the sanctions which have been imposed or re imposed under the so called maximum pressure campaign of the united states. they should be removed immediately. according to bachardy county,
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there are 2 proposals that were submitted to the wall follows and they have no option to refuse them because they were built up and what was agreed open, agreed on, and the 2015 did i leave out, could you, can you also denied before stuff iran is planning to enrich uranium up to 90 percent glossy, which is a weapon grade. and he said that these were reported by israeli media. and the chief refuted them or denied them on that. iran one take thoughts measures that are outside its commitments to the international united nations. busy nuclear watchdog . so many issues are the bachardy tacos in his interview with, as you all when asked whether, how, how iran is going to deal with an israeli strike on it. facilities, he said, is red one green to do that because it will cease to exist. this was alice how she
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for inside story from vienna. well, let's rewind to how this all began around simon euclidean, 2015 with the so called p 5 plus one made up of france, the u. k. china, russia, the united states, germany, it was designed to limit toronto nuclear ambitions in exchange for sanctions relief . in 2018 for my president, donald trump pulled the us out of nuclear cause, calling it the worst deal ever negotiated and began re imposing sanctions on a wrong turn around, responded by scaling back its commitments to the deal and enriching uranium beyond the agreed cap. but and says iran must curb some of its nuclear activities before it prepared to rejoin that iran insist that its nuclear program is entirely peaceful ah, to any me now are our guests in vienna where the talks are being held says mohammed brandy advisor to the iranian delegation, washington, d. c. we have hillary,
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man levers, author, and former white house national security official. and diplomat. hillary is negotiated with iran and co author going to to round white america must accept the islamic republic overwhelm, and berlin. we have hammered rizza as easy, a specialist on iran foreign policy and a visiting fellow at the german institute for international and security affairs variable warm welcome to your thanks for joining us here on inside story. i speak with you, rhonda, you are obviously there in vienna advising the negotiating team. there was details . can you share any on the draft proposal which had been submitted to the europeans and i believe a 3rd one is, is waiting in the wings. has it? has it been any response to them so far? while they're negotiating them, i suppose right now down the hall so well no bit more later on. what is important though, is that the 2 documents are based on the j. c pos,
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the nuclear deal. in other words, the iranians have not demanded anything more than what was given to them in accordance with the nuclear deal, which was signed in 2015. and the fact that americans and europeans and their spin doctors are nagging and complaining is because they don't want to implement the nuclear deal in full. their intention never was implement the deal. in fact, when obama agreed to the deal immediately afterwards, he a while on paper side. one thing in reality, he told his treasury department to force bass to warn banks not to cooperate with iran. and that was a clear violation of the deal. so bit from the bank start, the united states had no intention of implementing the deal. and now the iranians are insisting that a framework has to be created where the americans,
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the europeans, are obliged to abide by their commitment info. and that it is verify. ok. and this makes them unhappy, but it's only way for i want to put that actually to hillary man leverett, when we spoke to you during the last rounds of talks, you said there was a reluctance in the by did administration to go back to the j. c. p a way at all. do you think that is still the case? i think i think it is. there are a lot of problems in the j. c. u, a for the, by an administration. first and foremost, if they went back into the j c. l way the by administration would have to go to congress by 2023 to get congress to lift our sanctions. the by an administration knows that is not possible. i'm not sure why the obama administration committed to that, given the domestic politics here in the united states. it seems like it was a pipe dream that and it's certainly not a reality today. so in terms of some of the flaws in the, in the j. c, p, u a the by the ministration i think doesn't want to go back to it fully. but
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importantly, i think that by the ministration does see some benefit to the j. c. p. away. and i say there's not necessarily in a positive sense, but they see benefit in being phone members. the bite administration sees benefit in being full members of the j. c, p. o, a. in order to use the j. c, p, u, a for 2 reasons. one to invoke it, snap back sanctions clause, which means that the united states could go to the security council at any time and snap back sanctioned, not just from the united states, not just for which for the europeans, but for china and russia as well. the other reason that the united states is the j . c. p o, a is useful, is that it's a useful platform to, they would say, discussed, but perhaps more accurately, to pressure iran and other issues like it's missiles, regional developments and the like. okay, i'd like to bring you in. i'm, it raises easy. you're a specialist on iran foreign policy. these are the 1st talks in 5 months,
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the 1st sense around elected. it's new president. what, given everything we've heard from, from our contributors up to this point, what is it that go all the sides to the negotiating table to revive these talks? now actually the 1st of all, i should say that i'm not quite optimistic to this rhonda talks because as we just hear it from, from our colleagues. and also we've been seeing, you know, in the form of the statements made by different sides during the talks. actually, what i can see is that both sides are demanding and find the j. c point for actually they are demanding some extra benefits from the time that they're not actually read in situ i. because on the us side, i just mentioned there is this desire to use. this talks to j, secure the platform for further negotiations. and on the right hand side,
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it seems that there's this intention to keep at least part of the shipments they have made in the form of nuclear launches. so based on their so i think the strong of negotiations have been most about kind of testing the waters to see what extent these objectives are achievable. and for this reason, i'm saying that at this point, i'm not so optimistic unless the 2 sides move from the, you know, their current positions to this other. and that's the only way that the compromise can respond. otherwise, reduce. you know, as i said, j. c, 2 i plus life demands that they're both sides. i don't see any prospect for successful or revival of the very basic. mr. morality is that the case is iran demanding at j. c p. o way plus with extra benefits to keep some of its nuclear
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advantage. no, definitely not. the iranian law, hundreds of billions of dollars as a result of the u. s. foundations of the nuclear deal under biden. and trump and, and obama, as well, by the way. so the iranian only began restarting the element of the nuclear program that they stopped with if they slowed down that they limited a year after the united states and europeans effectively left the deal and tore up the deal. and only then did the run into gradually decrease their commitment. and by the way, they decreased those commitments within the framework of the nuclear deal itself. because articles 26 and 36 allow iraq to decrease its commitment. when the other side does not abide by its commitment. so if the ron has achieved anything, it's because the other side by the deal. and if you run has cheated,
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is achieved anything. it was because the other side was harming the iranian economy. well, before you run, restarted these elements of the nuclear program. so there's no moral equivalence here. iran is clearly the victim. but if you run has achieved something as a result of the other side violation, which cause hundreds of millions of dollars for the run in people. then i don't think we can call that d c p plus the american to want something more than what they get in the j c p. away. but in reality, if we want to be fair, iran to demand compensation for what the americans and europeans did to the running people, they, people died in hospitals. people have died because of a lack of medicines. life were broken, families were broken, jobs were lost, it affected communities dramatically drastically. but the problem is, is for europeans and americans, my son are part of the world. we don't need that much. i want to come back to you
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in a moment. the 1st i'd like to put something that you said to hillary, man, leverett, is iran. clearly the victim is as far as the u. s. is concerned, i think there is, there is a lot of objective data in terms of, i mean just plainly, when president trump tore up the deal and we employed sanctioned plainly, there was harm from that. i think it's important though, to understand that it's not even just a question of what us governments do at this point, the atmosphere, the political culture has really become so distorted. that in fact, there was a poll released yesterday by the brookings institution that shows that the majority of americans, both republicans and democrats. the majority of americans believe that iran has a nuclear weapons arsenault the same majority of americans. again, both republicans and democrats do not believe that israel has a nuclear arsenals. so the whole,
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the whole situation has become so distorted and so poisonous that i think for the by name, ministration, regardless of where one sympathies may lie with the iranian people, the body ministration. just looks at the politics here and doesn't see a when other than to try to hold. tried to put iran into some kind of position where the united states is their view holding iran accountable for, for whatever it is on that in terms of their nuclear program. how much is as easy the u. n. u k? well, stock says iran is expanding its uranium enrichment capabilities that there's been a scaling back in terms of i. e, i. e, a access to some nuclear sides. western diplomats have said that without a full sort of understanding of arounds, capabilities, it's hard to reach an agreement, what is around calculation then? i think it's parts a lot calculations but and other parts are very important part in this you know,
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development on nuclear activity, restricted to kind of what we can call the reaction. and it's a reaction not only to deal with maximum pressure as mr. mandy, just mention what's also and more importantly, i think, to the recent, very, very xander sabotage tax against its nuclear. so basically, i mean, honestly speaking they can see the developments on the ground at the more israel tries to kind of slow down the runs program. the more unions are determined to develop their new programs. so this has been one of the main issues behind this development, which is what, on the other hand, in terms of calculation, of course, a very important part of the reason i'm trying to ration it's has been to use it as a leverage because just imagine a suspicion after this for maximum pressure and imposing sanctions. i guess you
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don't. if you don't want to go sankey without any actually in the, in the position that it was before with all of its would be in a very nice position. so that was, i think, one of the main reason that started in the 1st place to advance it's nuclear activities. so the combination of these 2 factors have kind of let us to the situation that we are now. i'm a brandy m u c. and his 1st public statement as president and lex said that his government's foreign policy would need to begin nor end with the j c p. o way sort of indicating that it wouldn't be quite the, the foreign policy focus that perhaps had been in the past. has the wrong position going into these talks this time, the 7th set of talks hasn't changed at all. no, not at all. in fact, i think one of the mistakes, the former president ro, honey, was constantly say that the j t o a with or the new the negotiations were his priority. and that gave the
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americans beverage and constantly thing that we need to deal was, was, was like poison or iranian position. the run in negotiating t. what present ratio saying is that we will do a deal if they accept the j. c, p, o, a info. well sign up to we will, what will we signed up? we've been implementing it and we still are implementing it because our, as i said, the fact that we're not implementing the deal itself, our ryan audience with the 2 articles that i mentioned earlier. but the fact that the present res, using our priorities to develop tires with regional countries to develop ties with asian countries. this is sending a signal to the united states that we're not going to be waiting for the j. c p o, a. we're not going to be waiting for if you want to commit yourself so that you're fine. but if you don't, we're going to be developing our economy based on the resources that we have at
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hand. we're not going to just sit there and hope that you're going to see the line . i know you talked a lot about the impact of us sanctions. what do you think? how much difference will it make for iran if the agreement is restored? because if the next us present just does the same thing that trump does, you know, could that not be a warning find had or mean banks and businesses don't have the confidence that perhaps they want it? yes, and that's a major concern. the iranian negotiators have the united states, it has become an unreliable country. there are so much instability, us politics, that we can't gauge what is going to happen tomorrow with us decision making process. but what is, what is the fact is that the united states today is much weaker than it was in 2015 . it is a divided country. it has major economic, social,
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and political problems. it is confronting to writing ours china and russia and ukraine. and taiwan and over artificial intelligence and u. s. allies in west asia are foundering down the decline where the wrong in the program. as your previous guess, rightly pointed out, has developed the united states leaving the deal. and the running position is much stronger today than it was in 2015. so time is not on the side of the americans. but the problem is, is that the americans, often i think they are looking at it from a position of arrogance. they don't see the reality that the reality on the ground is changing and if they do, they don't have to will to do something about it. ok, hillary man never do you agree with that assessment of american strength or otherwise and and also from the u. s. perspective has anything changed given around new leadership. there this question about whether the us power in decline is of course, an important question. but the reality is as long as the world,
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the international community continues to trade and price everything, including oil in the dollar. the u. s. dominant over the international financial system is really what will determine many matters at the end of the day. and so it may be that other countries are rising, other countries are challenging. but even in china, there continues to be a reliance on the dollar. so as long as the united states continues to have what may be caught dollar to germany, they will still have a powerful role whether it's in the middle east or elsewhere. and it may even be more dangerous, because if the united states is, in fact, a power in decline, as professor mirandi said, reynold was all sorts of problems domestically. that could mean in america that is more willing to strike out overseas, as we saw during the trump administration. while many people didn't like president trump, many people ridiculed him. he was a dangerous figure and you know, has,
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there we are repercussions to that kind of behavior. in the middle east and in iran . so i think regardless of whether one likes the u. s. government life for the united states does. it is important to deal with the united states in a sense constrain the worst aspect of us behavior by international agreements like the j c p away. so as long as it is, i think it is important to try to get back to either the g p, a or something that at least tries to buy bound not just united states, but all parties to some semblance of international standards. and international law, however, is it as easy as the window of opportunity closing? is there a time limit on these talks or can i just continue ad nauseum? of course there is no official or kind of formal time limits, but given that will size, i mean it seems that both sides are continuing to increase their level or is there can be a point when you know the talks would be kind of meaningless because i'm the one
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hand each round of negotiations and failing so kind of persuade united states to lift the sanctions. iran continues with its nuclear activity development, so it's not good. i think it is the same time we have a reference, you know, more tensions in the region in terms of iran, for example, or actually on backs. groups ensued on the rock increasing the activities against us targets. and he's also acting against iran by that the same time you know this. i mean, there is a point, there is a final point to this development. so we don't program because i mean imagine a situation when the iran, for example, reaches to 90 percent innovations capacity. so lots next.
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so that's what that means and the sooner we get to deal the better. but the thing is that if, even if you decide to go for, for example, 90 percent or whatever, then there could be a backlash from even its partners from russia and china. and i'm sorry, go back to the un security council. so in that sense, even iran will be one of the lose their so that's will build this, my understanding that's kind of situation. and just hoping that working with neighbors, i'm looking, china and russia can really help alleviate neurons. and how much time those rooms that you have suffered from over the past 2 years. i don't think it's going to be a result. you loosing the short ok. what coming to the end of the program mohammed? randi, i don't come back to you around chief negotiator in an interview with al jazeera
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said that world powers cannot reject a roms draft proposal. we know saying that is one thing. whether it turns out to be true as question another. how much hope do you think there is really of a resolution that is satisfactory to all sides at this point? well, the fact is that iran has the moral high ground that is important in itself, no matter how you calculate. and in addition to that, the iranians have a stronger and on the americans to the economy, and iran is not doing well, but the maximum pressure campaign, as you know, there's no doubt about that message until the united states understands and comprehend that we're not going to have a solution, i don't believe that the united states and iran are going to come to an agreement very soon, because i don't believe that the united states can come down from its high horse at least for the moment. but the time has turned against the united states. i'm not
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saying that the united states not is on the verge of collapse. but i'm, what i am saying is that things are increasingly difficult for the united states. and if the united states wants to cut costs in this region with all the problems that it's facing, the only same thing to do is to implement the nuclear deal. and all you ron wants is the full implementation of the nuclear deal with verification. all right, thank you very much. we will have to leave it there for time. thank you to all of i guess mama bronte, hillary man, leverett, and there isn't as easy and thank you too for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website. chances are a dot com and to further discussion, go to facebook page at facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story. can also join the conversation on twitter. handle is as a inside story. for me, kim vanelle and whole team here in dough half the bye for now.
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