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teach, you know, you can watch out a 0 english streaming live on like youtube channel. last thousands of our programs award winning documentaries and in depth musical subscribe to youtube dot com, forward slash al jazeera english a deal within reach if the west shows goodwill. that is the message from iran after it's a bit of proposals to revive the 2015 nuclear agreement. but there's good will enough . and can you deal cold this time? this is in science ah lobo to program on can vanelle. iran has submitted to draft proposals to european

powers, negotiating the revival of the 2015 nuclear agreement, the 7th round of talks and the air is aimed at bringing iran and the u. s. back into the deal. they are expected to resume next week. but competing visions of the country is involved make success a very long shot, the talk, the man to limit iran's nuclear program and exchange for sanctions relief. your secretary of state, sadly blinkin says there is little cause for optimism to iran, is doubt in washington's determination to revive the 2015 accord or on steve negotiator had a bargain. a carney told al jazeera and an exclusive interview. the world pounds cannot reject its draft proposals and he has, he has more from vienna, alibaba, the county on the 5040 minutes on top negotiator spoke to us as an exclusive interview. he explained his countries fostered with respect to the nuclear fox taking place here in vienna. there couldn't be the proposal table by iran cannot be rejected, i told because they are based on the provisions of the 2015 nuclear agreement. in

principle, the countries which are still the participants of the j. c. away they do not want to ruins the nuclear document. all the sanctions which have been imposed or re imposed on the so called maximum pressure campaign of the united states. they should be removed immediately. according to bachardy county, there are 2 proposals that were submitted to the wall follows and they have no option to refuse them because they were built up and what was agreed open, agreed on, and the 2015 did ali. but could you can you also denied before stuff iran is signing to enrich uranium up to 90 percent glossy, which is a weapon grade. and he said that these were reported by israeli media. and the chief refuted them denied them that you're on want take thoughts, measures that are outside its commitments to the international united nations. busy

nuclear watchdog, so many issues are the bachardy tacos in his interview with, as he at all when asked whether, how, how iran is going to deal with an israeli is like on it's my said, it is, he said, is read one, read to do that because it will cease to exist? this was alice how she for inside story from vienna. well, let's rewind to how this all began around find euclidean 2015 with the so called p 5 plus one made up of france, the u. k. china, russia, the united states, germany, it was designed to limit toronto nuclear ambitions and exchange for sanctions relief. in 2018 former donald trump, who the us out of nuclear cause, calling it the worst deal ever negotiated and began re imposing sanctions on a roll. top round responded by scaling back its commitments to the deal and enriching uranium beyond the agreed cap. but it says ron must curb some of its

nuclear activities before it prepared to rejoin that iran insist that its nuclear program is entirely peaceful. ah, to me now our guests in vienna, where the talks are being held, says mohammed randi advisor to the iranian delegation, washington dc. we have hillary man levers also, and former white house national security official. and diplomat, hillary is negotiate with iran and co author going to to rond white american, must accept the islamic republic, overwhelmed and to berlin. we have hammered rizza as easy, a specialist on iran and foreign policy and a visiting fellow at the german institute for international and security affairs variable warm welcome to you all. thank you. joining us here on inside story. i speak with you. i'm in rhonda, you are obviously there in vienna advising the negotiating team. there was the sales can you share any on the the draft proposal which had been submitted to the europeans. and i believe a 3rd one is, is waiting in the wings,

has it has been any response to them so far. holler, negotiating them, i suppose right now down the hall so well no bit more later on. what is important though, is that the 2 payments are based on the j. c pos, the nuclear deal. in other words, the iranians have not demanded anything more than what was given to them in accordance with the nuclear deal, which was signed in 2015. and the fact that the americans and europeans and their spin doctors are nagging and complaining is because they don't want to implement the nuclear deal in fall. their intention never was implement the deal. in fact, when obama agreed to the deal immediately afterwards, he while on paper side, one thing in reality,

he told his treasury department to force banks to warn banks not to cooperate with iran. and that was a clear violation of the deal. so good from the big start, the united states had no intention of implementing the deal. and now the iranians are insisting that a framework has to be created where the americans, the europeans, are obliged to abide by their commitment info. and that it is verify. ok. and this makes them unhappy, but it's only way for i want to put that actually to hillary man lever it. when we spoke to you. during the last rounds of talks, you said there was a reluctance in the bond and administration to go back to the j. c. p. away at all . do you think that is still the case? i think i think it is. there are a lot of problems in the j. c. p. o, a for the by the ministration. first and foremost, if they went back into the j. c. p. o a, the bio ministration would have to go to congress by 2023 to get congress to lift all sanctions by an administration knows that is not possible. i'm not sure why the

obama administration committed to that, given the domestic politics here in the united states. it seems like it was a pipe dream that and it's certainly not a reality today. so in terms of some of the flaws in the j. u a the by the ministration i think doesn't want to go back to it fully. but importantly, i think that by the ministration does the benefit to the jcp away. and i say there's not necessarily in a positive that, but they see benefit in being members the bottom ministration fees benefit in being phone numbers of the j. c p o, a. in order to use the g p a for 2 reasons. one to invoke. it's not back sanctions clause, which means that the united states could go to the security council at any time and snap back sanctions, not just from the united states, not just for the europeans, but for china and russia as well. the other reason that the united states sees the j c p a is useful, is that it's a useful platform to,

they would say discuss that perhaps more accurately, each of pressure, iran and other issues like it missiles, regional developments, like, okay, i'd like to bring you in how many words as easy, you're a specialist on iran foreign policy. these are the 1st talks in what 5 months the 1st since iran elected, it's new president. what? given everything we've heard from, from our contributors up to this point, what is it that got all the sides to the negotiating table to revive these talks? now actually the 1st of all, i should say that i'm not quite optimistic to this rhonda talks because as we just hear it from, from our colleagues. and also we've been seeing, you know, in the form of the statements made by different sites during the talks. actually, what i can see is that both sides are demanding and find the j. c point for

actually they are demanding some extra benefits from the time that they're not actually read in situ. because on the us side i just mentioned there is this desire to use. this talks to j, secure the platform for further negotiations. and on the right hand side, it seems that there's this intention to keep at least parts august shipments they have made in the form of nuclear launches. so based on their so i think the strong of negotiations have been most about kind of testing the waters to see what extent these objectives are achievable. and for this reason, i'm saying that at this point, i'm not so optimistic unless the 2 sides move from their current positions to this other. and that's the only way that the compromise can respond.

otherwise with this, you know, as i said, j. c, 2 i plus life demands that they're both sides. i don't see any prospect for successful or revival of the very basic. mr. morality is that the case is iran demanding at j. c p. o way plus with extra benefits to keep some of its nuclear advantage. no, definitely not. the iranian law, hundreds of billions of dollars as a result of the u. s. foundations of the nuclear deal under biden. and trump and obama as well right away. so the iranian only began restarting the element of the nuclear program that they stopped with if they slowed down that they limited a year after the united states and europeans effectively left the deal and tore up the deal. and only then that the run into gradually decrease their commitment. and

by the way, they decreased those commitments within the framework of the nuclear deal itself. because articles 26 and 36, i'm out iran to decrease its commitment. when the other side does not abide by its commitment. so if the rom has achieved anything, it's because the other side by the deal. and if you run has cheated, is achieved anything. it was because the other side was harming the iranian economy. well, before you run, restarted these elements of the nuclear program. so there's no moral equivalence here. iran is clearly the victim. but if you run has achieved something as a result of the other side violation, which cause hundreds of millions of dollars for the run in people. then i don't think we can call that d c p plus the americans want something more than what they get in the j c p. away. but in reality, if we want to be fair, iran to demand compensation for what the americans and europeans did to the running

people, they, people died in hospitals. people have died because of a lack of medicines. life were broken, families were broken, jobs were lost, it affected communities dramatically drastically. but the problem is, is for europeans and americans, my son are part of the world. we don't mean that much. i want to come back to you in a moment. the 1st i'd like to put something that you said to hillary, man, leverett, is iran. clearly the victim is as far as the u. s. is concerned, i think there is, there is a lot of objective data in terms of, i mean just plainly, when president trump tore up the deal and we employed sanctioned plainly, there was harm from that. i think it's important though, to understand that it's not even just a question of what us governments do at this point, the atmosphere, the political culture has really become so distorted. that in fact, there was a poll released yesterday by the brookings institution that shows that the majority

of americans, both republicans and democrats. the majority of americans believe that iran has a nuclear weapons arsenault the same majority of americans. again, both republicans and democrats do not believe that israel has a nuclear arsenals. so the whole, the whole situation has become so distorted and so poisonous that i think for the by name, ministration, regardless of where one sympathies may lie with the iranian people, the party in ministration. just looks at the politics here and doesn't see a when other than to try to hold. tried to put iran into some kind of position where the united states is their view holding iran accountable for, for whatever it is on that in terms of their nuclear program. how much is as easy the u. n. u k. wellstar is iran is expanding its uranium enrichment capabilities that there's been a scaling back in terms of i, e, i. e,

a access to some nuclear sides. western diplomats have said that without a full sort of understanding of around capabilities, it's hard to reach an agreement. what is around calculation then? i think it's parts say, well, calculations but, and other parts are very important part in this, you know, development of nuclear activity. this kind of what we can call the reaction and it's a reaction not only to deal with maximum pressure as mr. mandy just mention what's also and more importantly, i think, to the recent, very, very xander, sabotage attacks against you. so basically, i mean, honestly speaking, i think they can see the development on the ground that the more israel tries to kind of slow down on smoking program, the more unions are determined to develop their new programs. so this has been,

one of the main issue is behind this development, which is what on the other hand, in terms of calculation, of course, a very important part, a calculation. it is, has been to use it as a leverage because just imagine assertion. after this whole maximum of british or i'm imposing sanctions against you, if you don't wanna to concert in your shank table without any are actually in the, in the position that it was before trumps with all of it's would be in a review position. so that was, i think, one of the main reason that it started in the 1st place to launch its nuclear activity. so the combination of these 2 factors have kind of led us to the situation that we are now. i'm a brandy everywhere you see, and his 1st public statement as president and lex said that his government's foreign policy would neither begin nor end with the j c, p, o, a sort of indicating that it wouldn't be quite the,

the foreign policy. so focus that had that had been in the past has around position going into these talks this time, the 7th set of talks hasn't changed at all. no, not at all. in fact, i think one of the mistakes of former president ronnie was to constantly say, see if you a, we're or nuclear negotiations were his priority. and that came, americans leverage and constantly saying that we need a deal was like poison or the iranian position in the run in negotiating t. what present ratio saying is that, look, we will do a deal if they accept the j. c, p o, a n o will sign up to we will, what will we signed up to it? we've been implementing it and we still are implementing it because our, as i said, the fact that we're not implementing the deal itself are right in the audience with the 2 articles that i mentioned earlier. but for the fact that the really present

res, using our priorities to develop pies with regional countries, to develop eyes with asian countries, this is sending a signal to the united states that we're going to be waiting for the j. c pos. we're not going to be waiting for if you want to commit yourself so that you're fine. but if you don't, we're going to be developing our economy based on the resources that we have at hand. we're not going to just sit there and hope that you're going to see the like, i know you talked a lot about the impact of us sanctions. what do you think? how much difference will it make for iran if the agreement is restored? because if the next us president just does the same thing that trump does, you know, could that not be a warning find happy or mean banks and businesses don't have the confidence that perhaps they want it? yes, and that's a major concern. the iranian negotiators have the united states, it has become an unreliable country. there are so much instability and us politics

that we can't gauge what is going to happen tomorrow with us decision making process. but what is, what is a fact is that the united states today is much weaker than it was in 2015. it is a divided country, it has major economic, social, and political problems. it is confronting to rising powers, china and russia, and ukraine. and taiwan and over artificial intelligence and u. s. allies in west asia are foundering on the decline, whereas the runny program as your previous guess, right? the pointed out has developed the united states leaving the deal. and the running position is much stronger today than it wasn't to 2015. so time is not on the side of the americans. but the problem is, is that the americans, often i think they are looking at it from a position of arrogance. they don't see the reality that the reality on the ground is changing and if they do, they don't have to will to do something about it. ok,

hillary man leverage. do you agree with that assessment of american strength or otherwise and and also from the u. s. perspective has anything changed given around new leadership. there this question about whether the us power in decline is of course, an important question. but the reality is as long as the world, the international community continues to trade and price everything, including oil in the dollar. the u. s. dominant over the international financial system is really what will determine many matters at the end of the day. and so it may be that other countries are rising, other countries are challenging. but even in china, there continues to be a reliance on the dollar. so as long as the united states continues to have what maybe call dollar to germany, they will still have a powerful role whether it's in the middle east or elsewhere. and it may even be more dangerous because if the united states is in fact a power in decline,

as professor mirandi said, riddled with all sorts of problems domestically. that could mean in america that is more willing to strike out overseas, as we saw during the trump administration, while many people didn't like president trump made people ridiculed him. he was a dangerous figure and you know, how there were we all repercussions to that kind of behavior in the middle east and in iran. so i think regardless of whether one likes the u. s. government likes with the united states does. it is important to deal with the united states in a sense constrain the worst aspects of us behavior by international agreements like the jcp away. so as long as it is, i think it is important to try to get back to either the g p, a or something that at least tries to buy bound not just the united states, but all parties to some semblance of international standards and international law . um, everything as easy is the window of opportunity closing? is there a time limit on these talks or can i just continue ad nauseum?

of course, there is no official or kind of formal time limits, but given that size, i mean, it seems that both sides are continuing to increase their level or is there can be a point when you know the talks would be kind of meaningless because i'm the one hand each round of negotiations and failing so kind of persuade united states to lift the sanctions. iran continues with its nuclear activity development, so it's not good. i think it is the same time we have a reference, you know, more tensions in the region in terms of iran, for example, or actually on backs, groups inserted on iraq increasing the activities against us targets. and he's also acting against iran. but at the same time, you know, this, the elephant,

i mean there is a point, there is a final point to this development. so we don't program because, i mean imagine a situation where the iran, for example, reaches to 90 percent innovations capacity. so lots next. so that's what that means and the sooner we get to deal the better. but the thing is that if, even if you're on decides to go for, for example, 90 percent or whatever, then there could be a backlash from even its partners from russia and china. and right now we can go back to the un security council. so in that sense, even iran will be one of the lose their so that's wouldn't build this, my understanding that's kind of situation. and just hoping that working with neighbors, i'm looking, china and russia can really help alleviate neurons. and how much time those

rooms that you have suffered from over the past 2 years. i don't think it's going to be a result. you loosing the short ok. what coming to the end of the program mohammed? randi, i want to come back to you around the chief negotiator in an interview with al jazeera said that world powers cannot reject a wrongs draw the proposal. we know saying that is one thing. whether it turns out to be true as question another, how much hope do you think there is really of a resolution that is satisfactory to all sides at this point? well, the fact is that iran has the moral high ground that is important in itself. no matter how you calculate, and in addition to that, the iranians have a stronger and on the americans. true, the economy and iran is not doing well, but the maximum pressure campaign, as you know, there's no doubt about that message until the united states understands and

comprehensive. we're not going to have a solution. i don't believe that the united states and iran are going to come to an agreement very soon, because i don't believe that the united states can come down from its high horse at least for the moment, but the time has turned against the united states. i'm not saying that the united states now is on the verge of collapse, but i'm, what i am saying is that things are increasingly difficult for the united states. and if the united states wants to cut costs in this region with all the problems that it's facing, the only same thing to do is to implement the nuclear deal. and all you ron wants is the full implementation of the nuclear deal with verification. all right, thank you very much. we will have to leave it there for time. thank you to all of i guess mama bronte, hillary man, leverett, and there is a as easy and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website, just a dot com and for fun, the discussion go to our facebook page at facebook dot com forward slash ha inside

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