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ah ah, is a military solution in west fence because the only we out on groups that continue to wage war despite years of french military operations, has their mission failed and hope instability these chief, this is inside story. ah, ah. hello and welcome see the program. i'm how am i doing this anger against france in west africa? what protests to say is the flawed relationship between french and forces and their african allies. 2 people were killed and others injured in the shower last month

when protest is trying to block a military supply convoy of more than 100 vehicles on its way to molly, french and new. jerry and forces used force to break free from the hundreds of protesters. processed, organizes complained that local troops are under equipped centers, suffering disproportionate losses compared to their french allies, infrequent attacks my arms groups protested. those groups are often linked to iso and arcadia. to continue to operate despite years of french military operations center. this is the 3rd roadblock. we've crossed the since look angry despite repeated requests to calm down and disperse to fill up. but we wanted to leave the base in the morning. but we were held up by demonstrators waiting for us on the road. we managed to push them back at 1st with the hope of maintaining order using grenades, defensive grenade, smoke,

antique gas. we managed to advance little by little and before leaving for nisha, similar scenes in booking of fossil one hundreds of protested trying to block the same convoy were met with tear gas and force since then protest as angered by the worsening violence plans groups of demanded the resignation of president rock cavalry. he's promised to and what he calls the function within the military 3 soldiers were killed in the latest attack in bertina far so late last month will begin our discussion in just a moment at 1st. let's see where things are happening. dozens of arms groups operates mostly in the boarder regence of the ser. hell that's between molly in the west, the share in the east and burkina faso to the south 100. so civilians have been killed there during the past year alone. 2014 france reinforced its military

presence in the region by launching operation back. can. thousands of french troops were sentence only camps reset up around the same hail to combat arms groups linked to iso and al qaeda. they often attacked french convoys carrying it with cognizance missions and supply runs as well as the local african forces, which support francis campaign. the local forces have suffered most of their losses in those attacks. the will this spring in our guests jacket her long as a senior research fellow at the global policy institute, and he joins us from san melo in france. and from casablanca, in morocco is adama gay. he's a political, common faces specializing in the south. hell and west africa 1st though, let's talk to us or tim tory, he's a member of the coalition of the african patriot so far so. and he joins us now on the line for me was good to go. good to have you with is

a 30 and tory. i understand that you're protesting the french presence in the saw how region just explained to us why. why are you protesting against frances military presence in burkina faso evolve, evolve, that was the last week about the particular it in the us to be in the fire. this fact was that that fits in the. busy but if you're not, fossil is. busy just been that is that a. busy couple of boxes on top of the pallet that is many on the war series. and this the then iran, our company, many song with the home and they live right every day. and i'm sorry to jump in when you talk about her life is hard.

there is no foods, and there is a threat of violence. do you think the french military is, is helping at all for the young people. also, i've decided lighter plan should meet our needs equal. we know in many, many, many during the time the ottoman not to do with 13 and let the people to less if we could get chilly non and it is different. i mean it's hard to put that into right. difference. and so right, like the young people are not, not it before then it's if he has the potential we can that

population if it is up to the 1st and then let me look it up as well, we are not agree with that. that's. that's why i decided that, but that we knew let's it comes from the law license number and the money in go okay. okay. a t. m tory. thank you so much for joining us on the program and it's good to hear from you in the region. why this is such a tense issue? let me bring in our guests in the studio. we've heard from the protest her jack, her alone, that the they have a hard life in breaking faso. and they don't feel that the soldiers are protecting the people who are struggling without food. so struggling with violence every day

and fed. the french soldiers are protecting their own interests. harvey respond to that. you know, we know it's a feeling that simmering for quite a while. even in the valley where france was 1st seen as of the savior. and now as soon as it invaded because the local population roy is or is spite of the strong military presence, frost, with 5000 soldiers and actions against these group in the region. it hasn't stopped terrorist attacks and we so if need be okay enough, i saw 57 people were killed just a couple of 50 free of dead michelle. just a couple of days before the french troops were going through the country on their way to the show, so which, which they did it away, the demonstration had a decision to stop the convoy and his true to france is,

i've been fighting this endless war without any apparent results, ad we know that the military school or the reads every level of obtaining some results, but not enough because attacks of increased the last few years, the global war on terrorism has succeeded. but we know so that in this part of the well, the solution to the problems will not be military. it would be political and social as we know that even decide and the role of program sorted population, problem, hunger displacement at docs, disease. so frauds try to have is seen in spite of that. i think, well, he was fans trying to help him if my point because you said you've got yourself, the francis, there's that, you know,

these things don't work. and yet they've been there for 8 years. who's trying funds trying to help here at, at 1st the idea was to come to the rescue and they were asked for by the magic government time you brain the i, b k data. and it was to france, intervene as a result of on demand because the for that the judges group which had evaded, should taken control of, nor were moving towards by michael dead. the argument for continued french presents and an increase in the french presented the area was the fear that there will be some kind of side eastern endure region like up get his son with all the stories. brooks in the countries of side, which would in turn be dangerous for fraud, says received when you suddenly state to go over your rock and syria. it led to

terrorist attacks in france, but the law shot commandeer from death. so that was does fear, but up to now we haven't seen any attempts on european, all french, so emanating from groups present in, in africa. so why is for all the, for i was good, go to describe the law now trying to find a sort of should by good operating with the 5 countries of decide we know the more return. yeah. each facility shod gather g 5, but the local army is not equipped. wedding off. and deborah problem sect in my leave. me ok. and let me just here yet. if it says it's a very troubled campaign, and it's a very long campaign,

adama gay, you have been watching this region for a very long time. we've had 8 years of a french military presence in your opinion, has operation. well, operation service operation bar can seem to be operation something else. this has been a failure. yes. oh, it's a fidget. it is fate. and it is not surprising if you don't front, early experience, not just in africa, but even in europe or in asia, and also in africa, has paid it now in 1954. 50 invo was a b, c, 2 by the phone in shanna shanna. it lost the 2 world war 1st one and 2nd one says, you know, 5, well let's for, let's focus again. yes,

let's focus on this particular conflicts. because when we need to bring the contents of cancer is trying to pretend as being able to help african res with already and he's innovation. you got your take rhonda, you know, you had before was a 2011 a as in famous. and now he's trying to use a year with a real issue or because in order to start to present as a new on your own or that he's in an african company, at least i got liver human. do they have every 40? so the french ever be the problem that they seen as,

depending day in just people are so a might be the earliest giving us also they are trying to broader a that is seen as a region that rich will not grow resources. ok. a scholar and also with france as not be able to address a and the other challenges to monitor should. so it is and go into an intellectual article, beauty, but france is there just in order to form some areas order, ordered issue under his control. that's the problem, i think the angry and the all the also it is and one it was a k check or along i saw you shaking your heads through much of

a case analysis there. yeah. what, what, what do you think is the problem? because we hear the point of view, this is frances, there to reinforce it is old imperial or whatever. but is the problem, i put it to you, jack for a loan that the, the mission hasn't been clearly defined. and francis mission in the somehow region has been one of simply containing a problem where it is rather than trying to fix it. you know, i said in certain solution, i don't want to go back to the failures of the french all me over the centuries. but, but has been a failure, has this been a failure that has be defend or like, or was and there was a lucky enough get. he stood, i can see, i know, we know it's a failure. we know it doesn't work. so what can be dog at death from

a is not accused of being but neil, back to the excursion, your power is accused of being detroit. and also the western interest for the mineral resources in that region may be, may be the case, but does not the just, the west was an interesting that richard was interesting. that when he talked about money, there's no, but the program in money is that the warm terrorism dare as of the improved a lot of the population, especially in northern box of that region. and that is that the failure of the french army maybe in part, but it could be put down so to the fed of the government to produce public services in that part of the world at many into north of chad. feel that they will protected by group or nation, reese to our groups which,

which provided origin so as at the same dot in you were just going to see me going to a president and sugar bega. the the prime minister. i've been making an attempt to the discourse of our previous speaker saying that maybe russia would be better to head to fight. but sarah, maybe that's a bit of a stake because the wagner group that my lease quarter is talking with as, as not been very successful through it. i realize it's from a director of the program or so it's frances invasion attack to get a feel which opened or can of worms into which that is a fact that's francie's responsibility. but it was socrates were supposed to do. it

was a or would he said he to intervene? it was a michael kept on the intervention now for us as decided to downgrade separation into region, bringing down from 50022500. as left maddie, maddie is not considering talking to russians. good luck to them and to the and to do my young population for the backing of the russian. but that is saved on france is working with food, food for other countries, which it origin thing that the head of france is needed. i don't think fraud is on a new career. this project there. france is caught in a trap door to get out of the situation without the seat ed. we know that this region is about okay, and it's the area. and so it's studies group g at these terrorist groups even is distributed isaac, all the countries that are returned at trust is not the companies of this g,

as many people say, also showed this work and the previous or good even implant okay, at our mcgee, it's a d, how would you respond to that because the vac, no group and russia, do you have they have been active in other countries in africa? and that's something which has arguably caused problems in some places. i'm thinking specifically of libya. do you think that that would be a helpful intervention in the south region? so invites in another foreign or army or, or foreign mercenaries from other countries? or is it simply time for the, the foreign countries to get aids of africa and for these nations to fix them, their problems themselves. that is the issue. actually, if you look up the history of interventions, they haven't been successful,

the case in point could be a star where the soviet union u. k. and recently the u. s. a b use there. in the case of africa today, we know that france is failing in this. i read it and he's going put me in it. if it continues to be trying to using military life, even though it has to rely on a and b from a framework, really, this african problems will have to be fixed by itself. only african and the regional organizations, such as the economy community. and there are. 8 military frame work for b, a g will be handled the policies in order to address the

only other head as long as the political and developmental kind of g 's from within these countries address. you will continue to give you the benefit from the reach of the countries in africa, countries. in the case of france, i believe that france is taking too much. it can try to control or african nation. at least one doesn't have you been to come up with in the order of one. i do believe we need to have a brass, c, c, o african agrees with it will continue on and on and on. like it is done in other 40. and on the line and it will be all we need to create from audi. quit the means you put the banner,

show me that we have with a problem. if you choose the class not are not done with the rest of the world is trying to come and do it, and b a, b, a think or b a, a done today. if i could, you just very quickly said these problems need an african solution, but some of these institutions within the populations in the countries i'm thinking of echo was they regarded with suspicion by populations in the countries because they're seen as old president clubs that are too slow to act and to slow to criticize leaders. so where does the solution come from? you? after the rush, i am a forwarder, of course, you know, because my said, i bow a really good boots and he's the real product. is it corporate program of

legitimacy? ok, have a look at the sensing a little bit. ok, realizing that to do that and the problem is the time to place an order the orders, and they make sure that the populations that are against us realize that we are we learned at least that's what it booted up. also with energy mr. mark, cover it with the leadership of british or it was the other for it. okay. good. because it was it. okay. we are almost out of time. i a final question to you jacqueline, before we wrap up this discussion in one minute, if you can, is it time for france at to get out of africa? i. i think that the countries are way francis prism the, as i said, the g 5

a now the g 4 was trying to stay the french help didn't need the funding. didn't need me another to 5 to get his grow. frogs can just get out just like that, if they could, dave who does the bulls because disfigure these intervention brings more problems than solutions and satisfaction. and we noted she to issue relies that it probably would like african countries to be able to contribute to govern the country. devote directly g g m s c. but when you see molly as a to cause in the last 2 years in august 2020 was 21 will be a demo, will be different, but the connections in february, next year, as dip promise, we don't know. the political and economic environment is so unstable

that there's nothing to gain shorter. ready submissions, we'd have to come as we would agree from african population that governance providing ok. i want to ration if i can't because when the final 10 seconds a one word answer from you adama gate, if it time for funds to leave africa? asked mister luis and because for a gentleman, just just a list of his own way in the military buttons need to understand them african programs and schools and now we are absolutely out of time. a gentlemen. thank you so much for this lively discussion. i do appreciate it. thank you to jack hello and adama gay, and thank you for watching. remember, you can see the program again any time by visiting our website at al jazeera dot

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