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i welcome to the stream. i'm josh rushing setting and for me ok. today we look at bosnia herzegovina were serb leader within the 3 member presidency has for weeks urged the formation of sir, blood parallel institutions and the republica service guy. entity, miller, i don't. dick's proposals have put on edge many people across the country, which is home to boston, next, croats, and serbs. they're now waiting to see what parliamentarians in the served dominated republic asserts could think of don't ex plants, hey, are you watching on youtube? you see that box over there. we have a live stream producer there waiting to get your comments to me. so you can be

a part of the conversation and then i can get them to our guest and actually have a great panel august. wanted me today and i'm going to ask them to introduce themselves. going to begin with yasmin. i am yeah. out of it. sure. i'm a political scientist working on the call exit democratization and democratic back, sliding southeastern. that's perfect. thank you. i dana. hi. mindy negotiated it. i am a professor security studies and university of sarajevo and my inches, the research of genocide, transitional justice that go. so are the conversational various forms are certainly going to come up and today's conversation in riata. hi, my name is re out ashley, my truck yo. i am contributing editor at new lags magazine and i'm creator and host of dignified resilient focus, which tackles resilience, trauma, and genocide. survival. so we ought, i've seen number headlines lately. talking about bosnia herzegovina may break up,

what is going on? what is it about dogs plans? i have everyone so concerned. yes. well bothering to go nice. currently experiencing it's worth crisis since the $9295.00 international arm conflict. and we are in december and 14th of this month will market the 26th anniversary on the signing of the dates and peace accord agreement, which did establish the 2 entities in bozeman as governor. and also created a super complicated system of government and a constitution which is discriminatory to minorities. and as you pointed out, miller adored the call is the 3rd member of the 3 parties, presidency and the fact the leader of liberal. because he has announced that he would threaten to withdraw from the central government armed forces, judiciary attacks and customs agencies and other paid bodies. and he was also a he also preston, the establishing, independent bosnian serb army, one that is convicted of committing genocide. and so in international court, so these moves, of course not just violated the chord,

but they are effectively meaning succession partition of the country. and also a continuation of the attempt to achieve wargol by other means. so well, when they brought up the constitution and you said that it is discriminatory toward minorities, can you touch on back just for a 2nd? of course, well, you're getting into another part of the puzzle that's going on right now. at the same time with the dog, the recession is efforts. you have his political ally, the bozeman correct nationalist party, correct? democrat unit hod visit. and they have continued blocking the establishment of the and the government federation because of demand for changes in electoral law. and bosnia is electra law, arising from the dayton accords is discriminatory or towards minority or not part of the constituent people. both next serves and cross. so that means that in the case that there is passing of this electoral law,

there would be jerry mander federation, and the voters of the national criminal creation, democratic union, hobbins. they will be worth more than the rest of the voters in the entity of balls and it has to go over night and some demographics would be more privileged on fairly. and this electoral change would be 5 the fiber optics, off the european court of human rights on discrimination and electoral process. we have other gordon each who sued and came in 2014, i believe for 8 years ago that the contribution of wagner needs to change. but the electoral reform pushes that have been going on right now. are more about fragments in the country than really about these changes because of the security crisis that's been going on. so the priority is, are not set up clearly or rather particular ethnic nationalist party, such as hard as they are the cry, democrats, the union are pushing for this change when the timing is just not right. if we've got well being of the country in total speaking of the constitution,

here's what daughter had to say about it on it mostly, probably the allister douglas, you others have that views, but they also want peace to be maintained here. and i keep saying that i am not ready to sacrifice anything for peace and i am not ready to sacrifice peace for some struggle for the republic. sir sco pieces the way for a public. srp sca and not is it's policy not war, not conflicts near to me or not, but it was a report of miss olivia protesting that a foreign and boy can impose laws on us. we are protesting against the decisions of the constitutional court which are unconstitutional. and everyone knows as a data, what does the support like for doric there and it has new plans. well, division of lucas of scar does not really support daddy, but it is really question how much power will they had indiana to oppose him?

it still went into stress also that this crisis is not new. it's a continuation of doug's decade long efforts to destroy the institutions of boss and had to be now in order to present it as a dysfunctional state and. and therefore, the presented that the dissolution is, is in an inevitable. so it's also important to understand that her daughter would not have the power to generate such a serious strength without the full support of russia. and serbia and the appeasement of western actors is also fueled, is by applying some sort of blind sort of tolerance leave. and he's most extreme rhetoric, including the blatant genocide, a denial and, and this is where the opposition in the public assert, scott, is really hesitant to opposing him. so debt is

the reason because the position of political because it's got the strongest opposition party in the public as of scott, is actually on a handed by at undercarriage. a who is sentenced for genocide in boston has to be 9 and it is kind of contrary to all the basic premises of debt opposition party to opposed audit on genocide denial. so but they are opposing deposition ease of posing a dog. and an almost as, as, as a pie, he is responsible for the war. it seems that they are aware what the call of succession could

actually cause. so and it's so i don't like to strengthen the escalation and don't ex radical tactics. it is unprecedented. but the pattern actually in itself, it's actually not new. he has playing the, played this game with international community before. and it has work. like, for example, he asked the concessions were made to dominique to removing to national judge russian and organized crime from from the bus in the state board and the international community conceded. so it has emboldened on it to take a few steps further to go for the session for i want to read jasmine and of this conversation. i also want to bring in, or you tube audience. i'm gonna throw this, this one comment at your it says it's there right at the serve. want to leave now

just a little bit of context. this person's name on you tube is russian agent. jasmine, why? why do you? last year we're out in the background on that. well, i mean if we're going to take the name literally, right, we have someone from the kremlin, china know, look at the fact of the matter is that the existence of the are directly to the boss in genocide. he was directly founded as a consequence of crimes against humanity that were committed during the ninety's. the point of the policy, genocide was the creation of that entity. and the only way that the entity was actually finally kind of recognized by the international community was a part of the boston state. so there actually is no right session, especially of the sort that we're talking about here. you know, if we wanted to have a serious conversation about reorganization states,

all relevant actors in the country should commit themselves to rationalization, democratization of the bosnian states, and by the politics writ large. what mr does, it can also partners in d. c, a leader of that party are doing is creating a dysfunctional state, purposely undermining every rational democratic process in the country. every process, conversation, dialogue, agreement, cetera, et cetera. indeed, countries parliamentary institutions of all in order to kind of create the facts on the ground, right? so if we are going to kind of take a theoretical view of it as good democrats and political scientists and say ok, well everything should be out for conversation. sure. but then you have to create conditions for that. whereas what they're actually doing is kind of trying to use force and threat to force to close their well on the majority of the public. and indeed, ultimately the international community, which would have to deal with the consequences of any kind of serious and session crisis, which would almost certainly result in very serious violence regarding what you

want to jump in there. oh, well i think that i agreeing what you mean says what i keep thinking about is something that are survivors. i think there may be part of conversation comes towards the end after we have kind of dealt with all the policy options and what we could talk about. and i think that was just come back. i think from europe can tell us more and, you know, but i think that it's really important in these conversations do also talk about the survivors. i think that it's important to remind people of this is just trying to 60 years and that, you know, we know, but 10 phases of genocide, but in bosnia i was still in condemning because of the situation there coined 11th faith, which is the glorification of war criminals and just the fact that these citizens, these people, particularly returning to look us up. but more so in the entire country are supposed to think again about the potential, just existential threat. honestly,

it's really something that we need to think about. and if you listen to the survivors and they are vocal, not just social media, but they're webinar their platforms, now they have graded themselves. one thing that is very obvious, this time is that even though or though they might not have seemed prepared, 909192 right. now there seems to be a pretty clear awareness about what could happen if this goes through. and i do want to say that from, you know, there is no, of course, the survivors, i can talk about people i speak to and those that i read whether i know them personally or not that i listen to. a lot of people are not just scared, they're very confused about the old sizing. so to say by international community factors, not clearly pointing to those who are, are trying to break bosnia and some keep saying that, you know, this is that bothering out could just be collateral damage to russia as

a salt in europe. and let's also not get to that we have had, if you look at the big picture, a sequence of events in the last couple of years that has been grossly humiliating and undermining the pain of these people who have not properly been able to get acknowledgment of their trauma and i'm talking about the fact that besides the worst case work criminals, then you have reference and immoral center, which is very prolific. that publishes annual reports and publish that there are $234.00 instances of genocide in, in last year alone in the regional media and by the public. people who are currently the government in the country and in the region that you have of nobel prize for literature awarded to peter honky 2019 you have memoirs of war criminals published in a very, in ways that really deal more with him and not at all with the survivors, you have the ideas, all the evidence, a genocide being coded as chosen trauma by some historians in europe. and all of

this is making a lot of people in bosnia, very worried not just abandoned, but they are just tired off feeling about feeling not taking furiously let alone taking their humanity into accounts. so i hope that whoever is listening and i am a person is by nature. but here we are talking about some struggle that over that you should not reward the genocide of budget muslims further. and that there should be a clear, clear spans about what could be done. and there are things that could be done. dana, she went to russia there. riata, did you eliminate the role of russia in this entire fireplace? well, her to need to go out of russia in, in, in the interest her affair it's, it's really necessary to answer the question what the u. s. and e, you are actually doing now because it seems that with this involvement in with its

involvement and, and pushing for the electro or a form, they are actually fulfilling all of the wishes of russia for garcia. my sense is there are many liberal democracies in international community that, that do a that can decide about this, this boss in crisis and tired of it the wanna. and it quickly and as easily is possible. and of course, we would all we bought and would like it to solve it, but that that needs to be so sustainably. but one cannot really tackle a crisis without acknowledging the reality and a full scope of the problem. and what negotiators from the u. s. and the you are

proposing a right now would fulfill the demands of crime and serve nationalists. and i want to remind you that on this several cred alliance was formed under the umbrella of, of, of russia and, and they wanted to get them closer to fulfill their ambition to divide bosnia and had to galena. so these particular reforms that the u. s. and e you are advocating for. ready now, i have been supporting by russia for years. i think the debt alone should cause. i know this was the negotiators to reevaluate the mer of the, of the, their plan in this scenario is what friends of boston had to be. not feared ahead of the last us election if, if trump one,

but we never really expected from the biden an invitation to take this line. we really knew all along that the russian plan is to divide bosnia to cause a to conflict, to prevent loss near joining nato and the end of you. but the problem is that the, you and the us now are actually taking the rattling and everybody is really shocked. all the friends of bosnia analysts are from the west liberal forces in bosnia and herzegovina are absolutely shocked with a u. s. e line of speaking with jasmine were you just and brussels? whatever i was, what was a feeling there?

i think the good news is that for the 1st time in a very long time, we finally have a little bit of critical attention there from members of the european parliament. i think they have been quite scandalized by some of the revelations as to what the various representatives of essentially the commission have been doing. and by the way that they are going, accommodating, accommodating is that the number is just explaining some of these maximum list demands, not just by certain prod, nationalist actors on the ground. and but indeed their respective patrons in moscow in belgrade. and indeed, even to some extent, in soccer, but a handful of these other ill increasingly illiberal european capitals like good past and brianna, i think the more attention we can have on boss, in particular, on the part of legislature is this includes the u. s. congress. this includes the european parliament. this includes very important things that we saw recently in the british house of commons, but also the dutch parliament. we have to kind of open up what's going on. it was

near to the light of the world. because what has been the policy of american and european negotiators over the past few months is really, really great. the logic has been entirely rooted in it. it is entirely been rooted in the idea of delivering to people in the control which essentially everything that they're demanding in the pool is that that will then somehow get them to calm down rather than convince them that they need to go still further in their demands . because clearly they're question on an open door. i think it cannot be overstated the extent to which any kind of security crisis, or certainly about the session crisis. it could be, it would have catastrophic security consequences. not just for the whole western bolton's region, but indeed the whole of europe. this should be recognized as a national security threat to the entirety of the plan to community. and as a result, they should commit themselves fundamentally to ensuring the one thing that we know can deliver peace and security and ready for boston,

which is the only thing that is ever delivered anywhere which is a functional, rational, liberal democratic regime. and that is the certainty of the situation, but those of us who have been advocating for genuine liberal reforms have always been entirely shut down from these talks a shout from these talks in negotiations. whereas we have this consistent policy, appeasement, for reactionary and extremist elements like that, i can show that you want to bring it to another voice here. this is dr. marco, a tele har. he's associate professor of history area of a school of science and technology. here's what he has to say about international intern intervention. what you really need is for the national community to intervene to restore a functional bosnian state through radical constitutional reform that will prevent the separatism from being enacted. the trouble is that the western leaders don't have the appetite for this right now. so in the circumstances president put in russia allied to president, which in serbia are taking advantage of western vacillation to promote the

separatist separatism in bosnia to try and promote the session all republican cisco, which would cause conflict in the region. so unless western policy changes to meet is threat, we're quite likely to have conflict in the near future. sariana. he's saying that you need international intervention as an international intervention in some way. what god is here in the 1st place? well, let's speak more precisely. i mean, professor honda is saying he's, he's saying something that a lot of people have also been talking about incense that while while you while you have one cam that's been saying that one of the solutions is how to bolster and strengthen the current dayton system. there is also another very valid notion and that is the data is really unworkable. so what's to stop from, you know, asking for the session even after a few months, even if things were given to him, not the ones they wanted, even if anything was given to him. so people like professor hora has been proposing

or stating very clearly how the allies can work with members of the bosnian presidency. besides dot extension is the whole new constitutional order in which they will go would be dissolved. and i do want to relate it to this nation, something that's also part of what survivors are voicing. and it's very clear that anything bosnian do across the political spectrum. and there are, there is a variety on that political spectrum as well. even those who do struggle for liberal democracy are almost never going to be given benefit of the dallas in terms of they will always supposedly be summer secrets islamist agenda most often portrayed in some anti muslim terms. so that and not only this, i'm just but it's dangerous. it's very easy to get slammed online when you point the different nationalist currents. and when you state this, which professor hara mentioned, because it almost leads to this idea or allegation of

muslims almost being incapable of being right or tolerance. speaking subrogation re out, i want to bring in another voice here. this is algebra burbidge, activist, lawyer and a journalist. so what people in both had to gone now are facing is biggest security and political crisis that we had in our modern history scene since the dayton peace agreement was signed. that's mostly caused by the rhetorics and trust that new, la da dick is sharing his calling. bosky alex muslims. he's a denial in genocide he's and that also provokes a lot of traumas, that people are real, living again now. in both he had to go know and another voice here from the, from our youtube audience. this is coffee stain,

says best to split it up as peacefully as possible. so that a long term piece can take hold yasmine. yeah, i mean this is, we've been hearing this rhetoric since the 990 s, right? this, this ology of a peaceful breaker being attacked by the fascist, this was the time to do the 1990 s by cert nationalists and pro nationalists by here to geographic and strategic center of the western ball. and it has a very, very old history as a sovereign states. it is home, serves christ and other communities, jews, rome and many others. there is continuous attempts by a trans reactionary extreme movement to great cause this country and every attempt to do so has resulted in extreme asthma islands, crimes against man and that there. cuz this can be the end of our show. the next step in this process might come on friday when the parliament of the republic of surf, sca considers don't ex plans until then. we'll see you next time. ah

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