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to perpetuate those competing narratives, separating spin from fuck all 3 versions of the story and then some element of the truth. but the full story remains and cooking, unpacking the stories you're being told, it's not a science story at all. it's a story about politics. the listening post your guide to the media on a j 0 i i answer the ok to day on the stream or hinder refugees versus facebook. the media giant is being seen for a $150000000000.00 for providing a platform that spread hate speech. and violence in miramar. we will dig deeper into the law st. and what it may will mean for the way that facebook operates around the world. let me, i guess he will help us do that. hello t, tim came jason. so facing nice to have all 3 of you with us on the stream to day to
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king, please introduce yourself to our stream audience. i'm to again, i'm aero hunger. i was born and brought up western bought obama are kind of state i love from our country. when i was about 17, we found that i found it by miss ringold. in addition, you agree with other ruin guessing? london, we are at bcg waiting for the rights of ruin. go to an ruined good general side for the justice of the rowing go to empower and rebuild their general side. so by bar where we have about 1000000 rominger, general sites, somebody was in bangladesh, refugee camps, thank you for joining us. turn king. hello, jason. nice to have you. part of our show, please introduce yourself to our international audience. hi and well i'm, i'm a partner at mckee, jewelry, and i would bring in the case with mr. garcia, another law firm in london. and we're very proud to represent a survivors of the ruin good genocide such as 10 and the people he supports. thank
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you so much for being part of the show and hello sophie. this things add completely different angle to this conversation, but it's a very important one. please introduce yourself to an international audience. i every one em sophie. i used to work at facebook. i became a whistleblower a half a year ago in a pro and i at facebook i spent my spare time catching for in that no governments who are you who are using fake accounts to mislead and repress their citizen ident wordpress on the army ammo. but i am here to provide context based on my knowledge at facebook, and they, which are the best to the wrecking your people in their lawsuit and to all the people of miano in the struggle against the repressive military regime. i say thank you for bringing your inside our knowledge. if you have questions for any of our guests now as a time to ask them if you're a new chief, jumping to the comment section, be part of today's program. jason, i'm going to start on my laptop, but this seems like an all day. shes claim we're hing our facebook claim. lawyers
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representing the ringer, people around the world coating those living in refugee camps in bangladesh have launched a coordinated legal actions against facebook. pub attracted by the me and my regime and extremely civilians against the re hang up people. this is a huge loss in how did it get started jason? well, a number of years ago we came across. my team came across the fact that hate speech was being gar, perfect at actuated and amplified through the algorithms and the dopamine like structures, whatever it is on facebook and twitter. and this was causing harm to the ringer and being simple lawyers. we looked at this and said they must be buried, made accountable. there was clearly a wrong being done, not wrong, was that they didn't have enough moderators dealing with this situation, and they had an algorithm that perpetuated hate speech. so this is something that
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you, i've been complaining about for a very long time. in fact, on the stream out here, we've covered some of the atrocities that happened to the re hang up people. so joe does 1st law since june in terms of that campaign and how does it? kristen thank one thing is for us we need to look at, you know, rominger genocide. and during genocide their facebook played a key role. you know how spread in hate a speech and as a whole, vermin a country is spread up and many figures military leaders are. they were through facebook as spread in just get rid of them at some innate them and kill them all. and these are callas, they are trained to invade our land, we can not accept that full doors, what military perpetrator, these are justifying, and a lot of a missing formation. you know,
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through facebook that really encouraged military to kill thousands of ruling a lives. and we have see, and we, we can see to day 1000000 people on the wall, i guess, for food you come in the wall in bangladesh, about 1000000 ruined your generals. had survivors in, in a camp and 1000 something or were slaughtered. and, you know, thousands of rowing women when raved by the by means military doors are all justified, just in facebook press air mer, you know, pages, just get rid of them. we don't want to see these raise in our country. they're not belongs to us. so is really, really encouraged and justification to the military ethic in a country. so we are human being as i am rowing guy, i brought up in our kind of state, you know, i have seen growing a general such survey but what they suffer. and so we really need justice, what fade bulk contribute at hey, to speed through the platform, a big giant tab and they should not allow these. and so our point is essaro. inga,
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we want justice, we really want to see facebook responsiblity and we want to see what facebook will do about it. so we really want to get also to rebuild our community compensation justice. and as a big tech company a, this should not allowed. this happened to any community in the war. you know, we suffer, we enough, you know, is already, we lost everything, our lamps being already, i'll more than 380 religious bundle. can imagine the all was a 2 person population flat from a country where we belong to, where i wanted to learn our country by mr. military got rid of us. so this is very important for the junk and i, we, we, he, so clearly here is it's like, where is the justice? so this, perhaps this class lossy may be, this is where the justice is. sophie,
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i am gonna re re reading and re excuse me, re enact you with a fellow facebook whistleblower, called francis hogan, who testified in front of congress. and it appears to me that facebook as huge as it is a student, a global company, is, does not have the culture to understand the world. he's francis. and i'd really love you to talk about that. does facebook, is it a quit to manage all of the different countries that it has facebook appearing? let's take a look at francis. what she has to say for us. i saw facebook repeatedly encounter conflicts between its own profit and our safety. facebook consistently resolve these conflicts in favor of its own prophets. the result has been more division, more harm, more lies, more threads, and more combat. in some cases, this does, this dangerous online talk has led to actual violence that harms and even kills
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people. apps absolutely. so one thing wanted say, 1st it's at facebook, it's the company, it's going to make money. facebook said that it's trying to handle these problems, but we dont trust vendor maurice tobacco companies when they say that they are trying to enter secret addiction. we don't see trusting fossil fuel companies like exxon mobil when they'd say that you're trying to, and global warming at the end of the day. facebook is the company and to the and to the extent a coast about this matter it's, it's because of public attention, which is a very limited resource in countries like me, ammo. the activity and amy ama is not new 33 years ago. the united nations fact finding mission the they said that facebook played a determining ro in that me and my genocide facebook has apologized for its actions repeatedly, but it has failed to take action because at the end of the facebook as a company, and there is no profit in stop in genocide for them. yes,
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jason, no, i was and i wanted to say i think soap is just told it is it is. and, and, you know, what we're dealing here with facebook is a monopolistic juggernaut which is out of control running through our cultural streets. and they seem to feel that they can move around this world with impunity using carefully crafted structures to avoid liability. and it's got to stop these things have to change day, her change. we can't allow of the people like the rang it to go through what the ringer of gone through. and right now we've got these same issues that soap is just talking about here. going on in ethiopia and against the t grey. it's got to stop. i'm wondering about that. the challenge of identifying hate speech online, tin kin. it's easy for an algorithm to spot certain things like nudity,
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for instance, or indecency that, that those things are quite easy to scott. but you are, you need to have language skills in order to spot hate speech. exactly, that's what i want to point out here when facebook entered to burma, they did not hire enough boundaries and rowing gears and others who understand about political context or burma that's really, you know, that's the route that created becomes, was also the whole society. so, until i thing, as far as i know, that mother go back here in come into the senate, they didn't hire enough. even now, i don't think they're there for not only about a 100 over. so had about this, if that may be 50 or maybe 50 local language experts. but initially, when some of the worst atrocities were happening, they had no bernie speakers. and let me just share this conversation with sophie
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sophie. what did you want add? go ahead. absolutely. and so it which these sorts of questions must people immediately jump to that something the assumption that content moderation, it's what causes this, that the problem with hate speech is that it has been said, but conspiracy theories and hate what speech have always existed. the jewish people, i sat, the familiar with the that label that has been spilled over, sent the centuries 60 years ago. a common conspiracy theory in the united states was a fluoride in water, was the communist plus to mind control people. the difference today. it's not that these conspiracy theories that these hate speech is been st. louis been spoken and written. it's that it's been spread and distributed before in the past. if someone wanted to get attention they needed to close rekey gatekeepers. but that was major in newspapers or, or, or made or other media out that's or even trusted into which was in it's manu that more rural country. but facebook has short circuited it, that it, it,
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to the take by ran at he and, and freedom of distribution for granted to the states. but this is extremely new and a typical and the road is still grappling with its effects and, and, and the consequences of it are numerous brother among the rocking up people. im me amor, by them, by the amman, by the amounts. those killed by ethnic violence in serena anchor, by the among though co miniatures launched to that space. what by ro, roommates i in india be taken for granted. but to me, this is not a question of content moderation. this is the content of content distribution. the ruin has the right to freedom of speech, but no one has the right to be to be heard to, to be distributed, alter the right, does not have a responsibility to broadcast every single person to it and to the entire world. and but facebook had struck to so could at this and made it extremely easy. hey,
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you're mrs. ring. and jason debt, and i want to show you something, i'm sure you're aware of this matter, which is now that, that big company that facebook is known as on my laptop here, are dating it's ethiopian audience on the long standing work to protect people in ethiopia. so in ethiopia right now, there is a civil or i'm going to call you a civil war, civil conflict. um and the various different groups are sometimes use social media in order to share their thoughts, their opinions, talk back and forth with each other. so facebook here is saying, this is what we're doing to manage this decay rate this. but we also heard from a journalist who said that what facebook is doing is not enough. i really want to get your thoughts about the tentative action that facebook is, is making right now. and if it's connected to your loss, it loosely his lucy festival in me. just one day after i published one of my
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articles, growing under pro government, which 200000 followers posted my photo and called for my arrest. the post was like by a few $1000.00 and had one college of comments which include general god, there. i should be older, i found that to shoot me and there were many more holy comments. it took 6 months for a dream, the post and only after the case was mentioned, he an article by bice, where the news about facebook. i can't imagine what could happen to me if i were inside the country. the time jason thought wasn't my thought saw is that i don't think as a society, we can believe a word that corporate, like facebook says they've known about what was going on beneath the ip, they should have been on it before it even occurred. if you look at our action we
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issued last week, the day after we issued facebook made a big announcement that it was taking down military regime accounts in my mall. why was that not done in 2014, immediately, when they were aware of it from the media room from when n g i was got in touch with them. they didn't do it to stop doing, get it any serious way until they go to the senate hearings. when they grade, they fall and fall short. did the day go and start. do more than an apologies to the ranger did. they start realizing that they had corporate responsibility and should be being accountable now. so now it's the next woman. this is what this case is about. this is what tung canaan the survivors want to do. it's not just the case for them. it's not just about reparations. a justice for them, it's about stopping this way. would company from creating harm to people all over the world who of hon. so guess i have some mutual comments i want to share with you
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jason. this one i'm going to put straight to you. some push back to what you're saying here. facebook is not the united nations exclamation mark. you would say what to that feeler. it's certainly not the united nations that if it was the united nations, it would have been earth united nations would have been terminated long ago on facebook. hester, understand about corporate responsibility. it has to understand that it's not just about monopolies and making money. they have an effect on society where they cross that line. the law will find them liable, and they got to be brought to hill till kin and sophie, i'm going to put a spoke to you and you can split this question. jesse wanders, would it be a good idea for facebook to establish regional offices to focus on regions so that they actually understood the culture, the language of these regional offices. so for you guys 1st briefly, what that is partially a solution. so facebook already hats reach no offices,
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for instance in south east asia, for instance, in south asia, these regional office that are focused and, and working with stakeholders and the poverty players rather than the people in those regions. so unfortunately you idea it's already in place and i'm not sure that it's very helpful because it's fuck, it's focused on essentially robin rather than having her a. so they're not acting as cultural ambassadors. is that it's really take maybe get facebook to spread into more places and thinking regional office is megan different kind of regional office with that her. i totally agree with the sophia. they have already, i'd thing, as far as i know there is an office in singapore and we, we are, are we, we are here in there are some people there, the hired at lee or i don't know exactly about 100 but is too late to be honest. but it's not even enough. you are open in regional office. if you don't
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really take down when i want people, we lost our lives. we lost, we lost many lives. we lost everything. you know, our people already in bangladesh reviewed you camps. 1000000 people, you know, they are living in a squalid condition, not getting proper foot, not getting proper medical treatment, not getting proper and wish. and so a whole, a generation, a whole adult, the community of all generation grown without any wheelchair and not proper food. and so that we men misery. we are seen to a, you know, in bangladesh, a food you can, so odd to be honest, is quite late, even though they open it is not really i don't thing is really walk in up until you don't taken down the facebook pause, which are hate her speech and you got him, i did, does this and have mash and you know like after we've wide or for the rowing of the we find the case. the dogs did they take and on military where they have gone uno
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last in the last, 0670 years, you know military commander in chief criminal, gang leader, me online. as said this is unfinished business. we might have been read of the 19142 of unfinished business, so dis thinks are encouraging. didn't didn't really, to how i am just going to share yet at service. that last part of the conversation with sophia and jason sophie, go ahead. why does it take so long for the house to come down? i think that fundament, i think that fundamentally facebook tests and tap is facebook doesn't have a reason to care about this. you could hire everyone in the road to, to accompany, but that won't change anything if they aren't given that the bay and power to actually fix within the company like facebook, i, myself, and many others tried where he hoped to fix it. i caught people red handed with no question of their guilt, and it still took more more than a year to take them down. in the case of the dictated why, why to have had to laugh at me. something about leslie did not care because it is i
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here is the shock because they had the at, i mean, suppose that suppose you could, how a tobacco company, we figured out how to fix. we figured out how to, how to stop when priestly from getting down cancer. as a result of cigarette smoke in the tobacco company has no reason to have a division that, that, that prevents people from getting down cancer. they don't, they don't want people to get non cancer per se, but the accepted as a cost of doing business and they have no reason to stop it. i think literacy, facebook campus seminar, let me just tap into what jason was like. i had jason, i just wanted to say that on this program, it tongue and sophia, the real heroes here. i'm an aunt sophie. i have a question for you. and it's this, this debate, particularly with the ringer, is a matter of legitimate public interest. we've written to facebook and asked them to wave their wren da's own silencing of contracts against employees. do you,
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do you feel this? people inside facebook who don't feel this is right and would want to speak out it's a certainly believed that there are people within facebook who, who feel it, who feel that they caught up on that situation with that said i dont note, i dont know who certainly most people are most concerned about their own personal countries. most employees in facebook are, for instance, americans, i or india, or indians on each one, b, b sense or etc, and their net and do naturally, most concerned would say on country. i'm a bit of the odd person out because and when the merican who came forward about countries like on kira sent out a page on that, they know that if no reset stepped foot in but they would certainly believe that for instance, some of the contract we're curious, we are within, we are mo who are familiar with that though could anchorage and so presumably have affinity with that country. if it's the it's the country would be willing to speak out but they don't but they dont know all. oh, i mean ultimate, the, this is
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a situation that has been, that has been on for years. it was, it was in the spring that took 2018 when the united nations font facebook to have her. they put him in the row in the ongoing genocide. and ultimately, if it's because no reason to change it without pressure, or let me just share something with you tom king. so there's, there's a lot of, i'm a very pointy thought on twitter about facebook. so people were responding to this program, knowing that i was gonna have you and jason, and as sophie on the shows, i have a look here on my lap top. facebook is the platform that is cause maximum disruption of social order to outright facilitate of genocide. india is mentioned as an example of another area where facebook and provides free basics and, and then, and the lessons and consequences to that. ah, the juicy says this lawsuit is reactionary. should have stopped
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a long time ago and paused dodgy, a count says why, what they banned already is a 150000000000 dollar loss. it if you are successful, where will them money go? one thing as far as what we are considering, we as a ringer, as i mentioned earlier, 1000000 euro hunger generals. i'd survive us in bangladesh. refugee camps ain't also militia, thailand, india, many people have fled from the country because of general sight even until today, 600000 rockingham, the allies are actually ongoing genocide. so this is very important to rebuild the community, what they have laws we, you can see as i mentioned, the early a kind of human misery. how the situation in bangladesh, if you camps, we really want to see our, our brothers and sisters growing a who are in camps,
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they must get compensation and they, we want to build a future integration medical care. and you know, we want a, hopefully we can go back our native land when we go back our native land, we can live rebill our community and you know, that is very important. bomb, ms. government is trying to destroy us intentionally. so this is very important here. we want to rebuild our community. we are a people, we have our land, our culture in our civilization. so we are not like her, you know, um, we really want to see something to move forward for the general sector by, but that is our focus, main thinking, nathaniel, saying that my boss, they really need support. they what facebook a big tech company, the blue one. thank you. so my buddy natal point, so very clearly and we really appreciate you what will happen to this no st. let's keep up to date with it. have a look here on my laptop. you can follow to king,
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