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the biggest and longest lost and controls. he was undoubtedly the mass killing of armenians during world will one, but there's also armine is current territorial dispute were turkeys, ally as abrasion. however, things may be about to improve. on monday, turkey announced both sides will appoint special envoys to work on normalizing ties . armine is foreign ministry, confirm this in a statement. a few hours later, the united states has welcome the decision turkeys. foreign minister says ankara will coordinate steps with as the by zone. you get time to have it. it is de la my life. i want to share 2 pieces of news with we have consulted with other badge on on that soon, we will mutually appointed special representatives, put armenia for the steps towards normalization. we're act together with as a badge on it. if we step up in the, in the near future who will start charter flights with armenia. as we heard relations between encore and year of, and have been strained since the mass killing of armenians during the ottoman empire in the early 20th century,
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often referred to by armenians as the 1st genocide and estimated 1500000 people were killed. but turkey rejects the killings at the time of the 1st will war amounted to genocide and denies. they were systematically orchestrated. the border between the 2 countries has been closed since the 19 ninety's and diplomatic relations put on hold in 2009, turkey and armenia. finally signed a peace accord to store size, but that deal was never ratified. 5 years later, present rich of type only one offered turkey's 1st ever condolences for the mass killings of armenians. ah, let's bring in our guests. joining us from istanbul with hat chillik parlour professor of international relations and vice rector according hoss university from year of and richard gere, gaussian director, regional study center in armenia, and also from istanbul, matthew browser, a former us ambassador,
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as or by john and non resident senior fellow at the atlantic councils eurasia center, a warm welcome, tule. i'd like to start in a stumble with mit hat urge halleck parlor 1st to am. this has been a very long time coming, but this latest announcement is basically 2 jobs to special envoys and some flights between the 2 countries. is it the break through the estoppel and armine we're looking for, or is it just a good start for our media and for the region, you know, are for a long wire all the development issues often couple or prior. they normally it for one 3rd or a long why to get
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together. and so we will need all the region again. the only way we want to be in the past few minutes to move forward and relation and then move move. and it can be done before the regent richard girl goes in and you're one of the sticking points. so all of this has been language is a mass killing of the armenians during the ottoman empire. was it, as you say, a genocide? is that language now? been sorted out, is there an agreement backstage that we don't know about? well, i would actually argue that language is not a sticking point. in other words,
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what we're talking about is a process of normalization. this is not reconciliation. and dealing with history in a more. ready sincere way, the genocide issue, these are deferred to a reconciliation later state. what we're talking about is what me talk referred to to basic objectives of normalizing relations. reopening the close quarter and establishing diplomatic relations full stop. therefore much more practical and much more. busy realistic, it is much more practical is much more realistic. but midtown we've seen this before in international relations between jordan and israel. and yet things haven't really progressed since the low codes in the, in the mid ninety's, i mean old as really happened is there are flights. there is some sort of negotiation, but there's no true peace agreement between those 2 countries. are you confident the turkey can break that mold? yeah. or, you know, different different regions, but you know,
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this time, you know, and not the expectations it just start to move forward and more than that. experience is much more important after the war and ready to get now and then go to the meeting, armenia and they just don't put the question is ready to move forward on their issues. but the question the parking lot, waiting on my both boys and from those point forward and it's kind of been a boy again, any active region at all. that's
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perfect. do i have to warn you the fact that kind of them read you go goes in in yerevan. how important was it the the other by john was part of this discussion was a driver for this latest talks? well very much so in fact, if we look back at the 1st round of engagement for the protocol process back in 2008, it was also redrawn that belatedly opposed and then the rails, the process. what we have now is also redrawn in a post. busy war reality is very much willing to see what we can do in terms of normalization. and it's just that 2nd round of re engagement. we've learned lessons from the past. and i do think it's a low hanging fruit. in other words, a rare success for foreign policy as well. well, if you broke, also in is stumble. one of the most interesting things i guess about this is,
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it wasn't a u. s. influenced or us lead accord. this is actually these 2 countries getting together with us a by song and say ok, we can make this step. did it come as a surprise to us or. busy as the us been involved in any way. well, i don't think it's a surprise at all for the united states, and i should clarify that i was very actively involved in the 2009 process. when i was the u. s. mediator between i was there by john in armenia, and at that time president brock obama was strongly encouraging the reconciliation . this time the united states hasn't played that role effectively has well, really lost a lot of its significance in the region over the course of the last couple of presidencies. but especially since a year ago in july when they were military clashes along the us or by john armenia border before the 2nd war. and the u. s. wasn't really involved at all in the mediation with russia and turkey that, that, that filled a diplomatic vacuum. so i know that the president biden supports the reconciliation
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of our up turkey and armenia. and i know that the actual johnny government, as richard was just saying, would like to see reconciliation. armenia with both officer by john and with turkey . you know, as a john, armenia and russia, i've all signed agreements, calling for the reopening of all transit routes between armenian or by john armenian turkey, and also including russia. so, and i think armenian press a prime minister nichol passion. yon has also wanted to see this normalization happen because it will lead to investment will lead to economic growth and jobs and stability. he has been obstructed, however, by his own political opponents who are playing their own games and talking about continuing conflicts. so, to sum it up, it's not a surprise at all for the united states, because i think you as simple as realized that the pieces were in place, armina, turkey, and as are by john as well as russia. what all like to see this collaboration renew
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in a way that will re and reintegrate armenia into the regional economy? well, let's talk about economics. midterm. in stumble. the turkish lira is tanking against the dollar is the weakest. there's been in a number of years. turkey does need investment, was that a driver for this? because there's a lot of investment that can be made you know, and all the net net from the regions. and that's for committee division in the union equation after the war last couple months, you know, from the time we're all together, you know,
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you've got to move forward in the region on the table. if i'm a bit lately. all that's an important thing that you can remove all the to go off the back that be okay with the face of all your medicine and the russian. are your vision in the army giving it kind of the green light from my eyes to negotiate. although the dub any vision and no development, richard is this advantage armenia here, then because of the economic situation the turkey finds itself in does your of,
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and have the upper hand here in a way. i'm not sure i would say upper hand, but i do say there are 2 important observations. one is economics in trade for the 1st time ever, are now recognized as important incentives in this post war period. that's very important in terms of a positive change. the 2nd observation, however, is rhetoric a normalization. busy is not just about our media, it's normalization with israel. busy and the u. a. eat what? it's also about russia because after the war last year, russia excluded turkey from the trilateral working group on regional trade and ran sport. so for all garage normalization with armenia is a way to regain the see that the table in the broader promise of the restoration of all. busy regional trade and threads for in the reopening of borders. so in that
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context, armenia isn't a good position to counter the threat of vice, elation. matthew bryce. russia is in a good position where it says our guests in yerevan, but that doesn't mean the americans have a seat at the table and the americans are relevant. santa yeah, i was hinting at that before. i think the u. s. relevancy has decreased dramatically since the period right before the war and during the war. i mean the united states is still the united states and it is a member of the multilateral working group. it's called the o. s. c e 's minced group. but the role of that organization remains to be seen because the basics of, of the conflict have been settled. now militarily, there is, there is a need for there to be a negotiation on a, on a comprehensive piece agreement, as well as a negotiation to demarcate. the boundaries of borders between us or by john and armenia, which are still on drawn. and it's russia that was able to insert in
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a communicate on november 26th when he hosted in sophie president. feel how molly of us are by john prime minister nickle pushing on of armenia to say that the 2 parties will begin negotiations and form working groups to, to delineate their border. and russia will help them. so russia has stepped in, it was, it was almost a 2000 person peacekeeping force on the ground. turkey is also as a smaller peacekeeping contingent. so there's sort of a natal presence, but the us is not absent. and you know, it's not clear to me what role the u. s. is going to play from here on out. i mean the south caucuses, as i said, for the last couple of us administration since the town of george w bush have not been much of a focal point. and you will remember under the obama administration, the policy toward russia was one of resetting russia relations. russia reset, and that was in reaction to a very active engagement by the bush administration in the south caucuses. so the u
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. s. a sorta, sorta by choice withdrawn from the south caucasus, not entirely, but it seemed a diplomatic territory to, to turkey, to russia as well. as the u. s. may well have seated influence from the south caucuses, but actually it's still a pretty big player in turkey, still has the intellect airbase, that the turks, however, did by russian air defense systems, which angered the u. s. is this is one. got it has to do with another the is this normalization of relations with armenia, a gift to the u. s. and saying that we are doing some of the things you want us to do. just don't take a well advanced system on turkey. the men of perspective towards the goal are in line with the work and the work and the us and must be anytime if there are the
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normalization piece in the region. and we're more than that. and this is again, can just change the wider it, serve the american and what was right, you know, right, that is on the field isn't active, but you know, they just fro again working on the line, normalized or regional issues, but any kind of armenian or my or normal vision to get an army we changed the and was gonna be a game changer. i don't think that the us or others. but again, not again, even the ball, roughly, maybe russia and the initial cost. and they will also develop. but you know, more about even the russian profit kind of company
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and kind of the confirmation on the american division may have to restart, negotiate. richard, we keep talking about this idea of normalization of relations, not a consider terry o. consolidation of relations rushes a key player. hey, absolutely. but was russia looking to get out of this? do you think? well, i would argue that rushing support is actually both the monster ball, but also necessary. what we see is, even with the reopening of the close border between turkey and armenia, it's also a closed order between turkey and the origin economic union. very much a pet project, the president. in this context, it's russian own sectors of the armenian economy that benefit most and 1st from
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a born a real. and for russia, there's little danger of losing our media to nato war to turkey. having said that, i do think that the future in terms of normalization is a process that has become inevitable. it's no longer a question of what, when and how does it become inevitable, richard? because the russians are deeply involved. where was it always going to happen? no, i think there's an accidental convergence of interest between turkey, media and even also drop in terms of the necessity for post war stability. and as me thought, those already said, this is a rare positive game changer in a region very much at risk. not you. i'm going to come to you in just a 2nd, but i want to put riches points to meet me. do you trust the russians? the limit for you know,
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they cannot prevent any of that. and all the parties that they have and this is against what the russian lackey is to have the role in this issue. but you know, they say armina to move forward. we 51 before the initial but new in turkey and armenia. really some whole for the calling again, changes that i don't expect any time right or wrong kind of the rock. so much relation and then as the reach of mention, rate will be reached or people are many or to the
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i don't think that the russians would have to know who it is, almost extraordinary to think that post 2nd world war there is finally an agreement or international conflict that the americans and the russians can get behind. that seems unusual to me, is that, would you agree with that? out? it's quite unusual. but you know, i have to say in my experience, as i mentioned before, as the u. s. mediator, there was a moment in, in september 2008, which was, you know, a month after russia had invaded georgia when i had a, had the honor to have a conversation with russian foreign minister. and he made clear at that point that, you know, as opposed as the us and russia had been and are to this day in georgia, we were on the same side when it comes to them to go in a car about conflict. and that wasn't just rhetoric, i mean,
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the way my russian counterpart behaved and minister law broke himself was, was sincere. they were creative, they were brainstorming with my french counterpart and me looking for break, who's looking for ways to move the process forward. i always thought that, you know, the russian side wanted, wanted to avoid an armed conflict. they didn't want this war that happened. and they wanted to get a framework in place, but maybe not to finalize that framework. be a piece, be a peacemaker, but allow there to be some instability out there on the horizon so that they could stir the pot into the future and they were not in figure they were against turkey, armenia normalization back then. now they're in favor of it. well, i don't take it away from either techie or, i mean, yeah, they're the main drivers of this agreement here is no america. it's not russia, it's turkey, it's all menia, richard in europe and we are running out of time, but just quickly, did you ever think that they was going to come? yes, to be honest. i've been a long engage, been invested in normalization between our video, turkey,
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and my eternal optimism is now a justified optimism. and you would you agree? did you think the study would ever come? i well, i, you know, i, a nice me, they already a or a. now, although this is a turkey arminius success, i will also the last question to matthew matthew. i'm a but if this works out and the americans and russians can get behind, it does not mean they can get behind other disagreements in the region. other disagreements globally, or is this just a one off? i think this is a one off for all sorts of unique reasons. but, you know,
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as i was saying before, the russian side always negotiated in good faith when we were doing what they're going to come back. and i think that that gets to something that richard was saying before is that it would be hard for me to be any more dependent on russia than it is. and if russia wants to improve its geo political standing in the south caucasus, that means it needs to improve its relations with us or by john everywhere else. and all the other companies that say georgia, russia sees it as a 0 sum game, right? same with ukraine, this is non 0 sum game and i want to thank all august attach a challenge, paulette richard, go see and matthew browser. and i want to thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting a website. how does there a dot com and for further discussion, go to a facebook page at facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. and you can also join the conversation on twitter. handle is at a j inside. so for me, i'm wrong conn and the whole team. hey, i for now
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