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using normal people can't do that, but he became the 1st japanese to do so. i'm envious. that's my candid opinion and lift off. but if you don't have millions to spend on the trip to the moon, when the billionaire hope the bless off in 2 years time, he's touched to take 8 people with him for free or you have to do is apply to stand at johnson stage. i said, bake just there. ah, well, come back, it's time to recap our headlines now. 12 people have died from the on the chrome variance of corona virus and the u. k. that's according to the deputy prime minister. dominic rob is refusing to rule out new restrictions the head of the winter holidays. britain has reported records levels of cove with 19 cases. elsewhere in europe, germany will limit private gatherings to 10 vaccinated or recovered people from december. the 28th cases are doubling every $2.00 to $4.00 days. hospital
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admissions are also on the rise. the government's medical advisors are calling for title restrictions. the health minister has ruled out the christmas lockdown. left wing politician gabrielle burridge has been elected chillies next president are at 156 percent of the votes in the run off on sunday far. i can those jose antonio costs congratulated borage he's urging support to the school differences aside. i'm going to lay in president sebastian pinero, is hoping bridge will lead with wisdom and fortitude. he's urging all political parties to work with the new government they would have to that will disappear. gabrielle boris will have to face new challenges, new difficulties, and new opportunities to succeed in this mission. it's essential that the government, the opposition that and the all children's act with goodwill, saturday and conviction with the spirit of dialogue, of collaboration and agreement,
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and with the spirit of peace and the condemnation of all types of violence. rebels from ethiopia to gray region, say there withdrawing from several northern territories to take people's liberation front, has been losing its foothold and the regions of horror and the far in recent weeks . the t p l. s says it wants to open the door to humanitarian aid. around 400000 people into gray risk of starvation. 4 days after super typhoon rise struck the philippines. police have increased the death toll to at least $375.00. more bodies are expected to be found in remote flooded areas. at least 7 people have died in widespread flooding in malaysia. 21000 others have been forced from their homes since flooding started on friday. it's inside story now stay with us. ah,
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how can only crawl be stopped from spreading the very end of the covey 19th virus is infecting millions worldwide. many countries are imposing emergency restrictions . some are even returning to locked down. or is it enough? this is inside story. ah. hello, welcome to the program. i'm hash and i had bottle of the global search in covey 19 cases linked to the army cranberry, and is forcing some nations to re impose strict lockdown measures. days before the
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holiday season begins, the netherlands was the 1st european country to impose a nationwide lock down on sunday. others are falling, sue to try to slow the spread of omicron, france austria, cypress, and germany have tightened. travel restrictions, some even cancelling christmas and new year's celebrations. and ireland is among countries imposing curfews and limiting the number of people allowed in bars and restaurants. yahoo da da well begun. i am a bit surprised by the new lockdown to go actually how quickly it has come. again. we had some idea that we had it under control. after all of that, we have had done everything. we could, we are fully vaccine. you actually do everything you can to support the in the end it all goes in the wrong direction. yeah, i'm of, she's thinking of vacant meal. we often say that the government intervenes too late or with half measures. and now i think that with the emergence of the new variant,
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they simply intervened really hard. that once i hope that will be able to tackle it and that in a months time will be out of it. especially when that booster campaign gets going on. but you sometimes missed the long term vision, and that is frustrating on, you know, we can no longer plan ahead. and i think that's annoying. so it needs social work. i didn't expect the lockdown to happen so fast. i personally expected that if the numbers start increase with that very and that they could be strict to lockdown, but not so soon. but i know that care staff have had no rest either. so i understand you're sir, realizing what is happening now in the hague, trying to assimilate these lisa duration. so merger. we did go down with student to stay at home, but we'll use her hobby for us here. we so be nice. his winter is a dry, a little be wins about so yeah, we don't want to let sir. we just follow the rules from the,
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from the below gum. but while some countries are toughing up action against the new servers, others have just begun loosening up after months of restrictions, the united kingdom has not ruled out new measures and officials are warning that the full effects of the latest wave i yet to be seen, australia which has seen some of the toughest preemptive action. we opened its border in november and his easing restrictions all while recorded new affections hit new highs. and in the us top, scientists are urging people to with think that christmas travel plans and warning about our microns, extraordinary capability to spread. ah, let's bring in, i guess, from london oksana pisec leader of the global citizenship program on our breaks of infectious diseases at university college london from amsterdam. yup. if he is
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journalist, specializing in medical science and in hong kong, john nichols is clinical professor pathology of the university of hong kong. thank you for joining the program. oksana from the data available so far. is it fair to say that the world may be bracing for a search of infections? similar to what happened in april 2020. well sir, we will see that vaccinations are going to mute some of the symptoms, but boosters are very clearly needed and in the u. k, there is a target of trying to achieve 1000000 boosters a day, which is very ambitious indeed, but it won't be enough to quell the i'm a crown way that is rising faster than any other barrier that we have seen today. so it's likely that in many countries with a similar demographic to the u. k, will experience a similar rate of spread amongst its most vulnerable populations as well as in
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europe. the countries that have started going back into lock downs or re imposing tougher restrictions of these measures justified or there's a great deal of anxiety here. well, there is some discussion because actually our recent wave is still going down. but within that wave there, on the conway coming up and our hospitals are still kind of over flooded and other people actually even getting oxygen at home. because we don't have space in the netherlands in the, in the hospitals. and a lot of regular carriers scale down, so we don't have time to wait and we don't have time to big routes. what happens with i'm going whether it's more or less severe as the other variance we had. so sort of it's, it's necessary now to it was necessary to take this step. john, many scientists, i think it's just
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a matter of time before on the chrome becomes the most dominant variant of covey. 19 taken over delta. but is it of why town to start thinking about measures when we don't know yet whether this is less or more severe than delta? this is a theme session. this is a very challenging question because people are, does the data from south africa? says well, yes, it's very transmissible, but it's a mild disease, but the more recent data i think are we'll have more information from you guys saying, well let's hang on a bit. i saw a early stages. we need to wait for about 2 to 3 weeks to see will there be this massive increase in the hospitalization, even though it some people think it may be less dangerous to the patients. the sheer number of patients will just do what's happening in netherlands
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is that you do not want to have the overwhelming of the health care system. so any measures which you can date a do to dampen down the people being admitted a bit through a social distance seeing or, or restriction measures or, or through the vaccination, is what is needed to stop the one of the health care system. here again, hospitals and the increased mortality asada, why is it that the u. k, which is the hardest hit in the region with almost 9 to 3000 daily cases. not taking the same toughest approach that the other european countries are taking . well, there's definitely an difficult political choice in as in, since the scientific advisors and stage are saying that, you know, we could be looking at 3000 hospitalizations a day in coming weeks. if we don't roll out a more intensive plan than the current plan b and are suggesting more restrictions like circuit breakers, but tory m p 's have rebelled even against very miles measures that have been
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recently re introduced. so again, it comes down more to political question and yes, the imperial study that has been published has also verify that at this stage we cannot say that in the u. k. armor, chrome is going to be milder and south africa. there's the younger population. there's also a huge amount of exposure to the previous marion such as delta. so the picture looks different there, but it's not as to just make that assumption now. and if we go, based on what hospitalizations are today, knowing that there's such a significant lag effect, we're going to be in big trouble. the british medical association has already said that by a christmas day we could have one and 10 health, any chess workers off sick as a result. so it's not just about the number hospitalization. we also have your staff to care for people with essential medicine and urgent care. you know,
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since the thought of the coven 19 to break countries, took 2 different approaches, a drastic one, we have the look does. and all those tough measures, other one for something like a smart approach where you how the contact races and so what us for, to be able to contain the search, the netherlands when the up to, for the option of return to the looked on it is because they wanted to give some leeway for the medics to be able to start with the booster before they decide how to move forward. yeah, there was, there was an issue with the booster campaign started way too late. we are one of the last in europe that it started so, so only 8 or 6 percent of the population as received the booster row in most other countries in europe. it's like 25 until even 35 percent so so we need time to, to catch up and conduct tracing has never been well performing well in the
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netherlands. we lost track in march. busy early in march, we tried to wrap it up in summer, but the last it is september. so it's, it's never helped us a lot. we did, our municipal health service does work. do do conduct racing but not in a way to sort of push down the curve just to inform people about to get them to, to isolate. but it hasn't helped us a lot. john, people seem to be a little bit baffled by the fact that the, the politicians need to get their act together when it comes to how to move forward . i'll just give you an example. we were told of the beginning, you just need to fax it to shots and this is it. a booster is just for those with underlying health conditions. now we're being told, you know what, everybody needs the booster otherwise, on the call might be a nasty variant. yeah, i think the, the thing with the problems that were all these was coming back to,
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to bias, you know, always predictions. you know, which, because we're dealing so much with uncharted turkey. because when we thought that we had dealt under control the vaccines were working and then along came on and i think that was be but that's some people. ready were predicting it because in, in parts of a sudden, africa was a low vaccination rate. and also, you know, the, the reality is that this is not, are in a virus and the more varsity game to replicate. the more chances going to get of these mutations occurring. so i think it's in a way people were saying that there's been some faxing inequality between the rich countries and other places where there's been a vaccine coverage. so i think not surprising that the on broadcast but i think it's basically the virus. this is variance is basically found a sweet spot of being able to replicate very, very effectively. and it was great transmission. so i think in way we've only got ourselves to blame for when we've been treated vaccine programs around the world.
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oksana is it because i'm a chrome spreads as fast as measles, which means that it just likely to further continue spreading all over the world, which is creating the concern here was because we don't really know whether this is something that was could send many people to i see is, and this is why we're going to have real problems. well again, so we're looking at the question of transmit ability versus severity. and i think what we've tried to explain is that any benefit in the virus being milder, whether that's due to a vaccination prior exposure or the strain itself. because we are now looking at so many more people being infected at the same time that makes, or whatever reduction hospitalization due to mileage is,
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is in some way sort it. so you still are going to see a big pressure, particularly in those who we already know in a certain populations, vaccines are just not as effective on so the booster, however, there's been good news that it provides 80 percent reduction in hospitalization. so that is great news that is going to t as time for many countries to get there. there are many countries in the world that still haven't even had their 1st. there's the vaccine, so it'll look very different in different places. but i think the key message here is that the negative impact on health is going to be exponentially worse. the longer that we allow exponential growth of the virus to occur. yup. it sometimes the political advice outweighs the medical consideration and we do understand that because in europe they have a to 9000000 cases and more than 1500000 cove, it related death doesn't explain the reason why people are going into those tough
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a drastic actions because they just don't want to end up having hospitals swamped in the upcoming weeks. yeah, well it's just, this is the, the main goal in particular in the netherlands. but in most european countries has been not to, we call it cold black, where people will not get that place in hospital to get treated either for a go very severe cove it or, or an accident or anything else severe. that's what they want to prevent. they have never actually really tried to keep the virus down the transmission low. actually they even flirted with eric immunity for a long. busy time and try to sort of maximize the number of cases within their health care capacity. and that has proven to be a very short sighted strategy. and in particular, now that, that's even previous infections do not well, no longer create enough immunity to, to not get read infected. so yeah, but, but still a lot of people are thinking, oh,
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well, it's too late to change that strategy now. and actually we should have done it earlier . maybe we should still do it. it's very difficult political situation now. now john explained this to me, please, don't you think that the the needs to be able to think of the strategies themselves because we thought we covered 90 and there was a out of 5 variant bit buried in delta variant army chrome very and most likely we're going to see more many more mutations and various in the near future. whatever you do, what, what kinds of restrictions you will have to do. you would have to wait for the next winter. and then you would have to re impose the same sanctions. and i don't think it's weaknesses, question and very quick. why? because, you know, we, we can't predict what the next variance is going to be like that. the, some people are saying we maybe hopefully this, this variant will try crowd out the other ones. and just some real,
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it may just disappear. and i think that's a big challenge is, is that, that's, i think, whether the frustration people feel is that they say we've done the right things. we've had, the vaccine have been done. done this. and now we've been told to go back to the restrictions and just get back to saying which was said earlier, is that one of the recent studies just a lot just completed last week was that is armor can actually replicates about 70 times more effectively in the upper in the research tractor of the, of humans and then delta. so this is a vice in which is each person is, you know, when you get infected, it's very, very fixed, effective at replication. so i think that from it's going to lead to far more more transmission. this is a different beast. the other variance oksana. when you look at the data, we know that the unvaccinated people faced 20 time, greater risk of dying from cove. it 19 compared to those vaccinated. does it bring
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to the table, the issue that people have to be fully vaccinated now plus the booster to be able to say by the spring time, we could see light at the end of the tunnel. well certainly we know that the act unvaccinated are also going to be putting on, and that the greatest pressure and health care system as well because theirs are, as i already mentioned, even if they were infected previously reinfection with i'm a crown is 3 to 4 times more likely than with any other variance on that we've seen today. so there has to be a better effort and engaging with them. groups that have up to this point refused and we also need to ensure that we're rolling out and to younger populations as well. so that you can, it's been late to that, but they are starting now with vaccinating younger groups as well. but we also have other tools and there's some promise with antiviral drugs and it's key for to be able to be administered early. and for this wave,
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there's just not going to be enough supply for it to make a big enough dent, but certainly, hopefully is going to be the last winter of even discussing restrictions. because we'll have a wider tool kit available in terms of treatment, which perhaps some people who, although the vaccine remains the best preventative measure, it may be that others are also more willing to take other treatment with a wider therapeutics that are available. more population immunity built up, hopefully more efforts in ensuring that other countries have access to doses as well. so that we're tackling that vaccine equity problem. if we look at it globally, we can, we can push things further along, as long as we, we do try and learn those lessons about i, we can't ignore the rest of the world. it's going to have local impact. and that seems to be, for whatever reason, a difficult message to get through. oh that's,
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that's a massive got by the way, because if you were talking about africa, you're talking about some places where you only have 28 percent of the provision which has been vaccinated. you mentioned the issue of antiviral drugs. yup. the biggest fear for a doctor, for a nurse on a politician is the same pick of all supplies issues that we saw last year. and which means obviously more tragedies and more death. how do we spend and invested more time and energy and money on the under vital drugs? do you think that we could have reverse the trend? but i think it's one of the tools we talk a lot here about the swiss cheese model. we need all these different tools and at not all, at the same time, every time of the year. sometimes the season helps. sometimes we have a very and that's more, more sensitive or more vulnerable and more sensitive duties, treatments and but yeah, we will need them. these extra tools, but also that's what else i learned from the facts. knowledge is this week that even for
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a collection of people that have not had their booster and they get effect that, that might even benefit from getting their vaccine. did they, after they get infected, that might also help. and then as antivirals along with that, it also help or for vaccinated or other people that have not that chance to, to get their extra shot. john, in the u. s. she have a, you have some great news coming from different parts of the country. she's, she's saying basically that the country should be bracing for tough, few weeks, 2 months. and then you have places like maryland, where the surge infections is going into something like a 150 percent if same trend, which is in places like new jersey, same trend in places like new york. what's the problem here? what, what is the failure here? what, what does it come from? i think it's been mentioned a few times in this, in this debate, is that it, i think it really comes down to politics and it comes down to people's appeals
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attitude is that is i think most studies have shown is that the high rates will come from that way, i'm getting the low rates of vaccination where people are reluctant to even have the mosque mandates. so i, i, you know, even in hong kong and see we had a community case of kind of it for about 2 or 3 months yet. so everybody goes round wearing masks even outside in doors, because, you know, we had this experience with size and we don't see it as being a, like a social stigma wearing a mask on. so i think that you know, that this, that to me is when most cost effective ways to try and decrease infection is, is simple mass and, and i think if people were to, i think just bite the bullet and just say, look like masks are effective. they're cheap, and they're way of actually decreasing transmission. and then, you know, when there's no vaccines vaccines available,
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i have less than 30 minutes here. and i'm of the grim statistics that we've been showing globally. is there any good news or limit of hope that we should be sharing with our viewers to today? i start with the oksana. very brief, if you don't mind. yeah. well, i think that all the thing that we know about breaking chains of transmission still hold true. so for every viewer, again, making sure that you are taking a test is that before you leave the house, that's a good move. if you can get access to one, i know here in the u. k, there have been some shortages, but this same measures to protect yourself and your loved ones. at this time, you can employ a to really gauge your own level of risk, even if you are somewhere where there is a, perhaps more flexibility around that. so i would say that in the weeks we're going to go through and in the winter period, it's going to be a bit difficult. but going round the other side,
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there's going to be better whether people are going to be outside more and we're going to have more tools available to us. so, and how that spirit of cooperation of global solidarity out, we can make a significant difference in stadiums and economic recovery. yep. yeah. well we, but i think it's important to emphasize that, that, that the dynamic of, of having boosters every couple of months, people are called bidding a lot about it. but it's not so different from the things we know from influenza, except for the influenza only sticks to the season, at least in the north or on the north. and ever emma's fair. we have that flu season and then we got this shot just right in front of that season. and as long as we can keep the virus as low as possible, just by a having enough people that have some immunity during the rest of the year, we have boost once a year. that would be a good perspective, right?
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with some, some perspective, john good news. the good news is that we, i think we're much better position than this last year of vaccines. are looking at ways of treatment. and i think we, it's just going to be a matter of, i think of, and also making sure that you protect and look up the health care workers and that they're the ones who will be looking after you when you, when you come to hospital, it's always good, when you hear scientists, i'm just telling you there's always the lights at the end of the tunnel and that's always going to be a better day. um is it? yup. if he's john nichols, i really appreciate your insight. thank you. and thank you for watching. you can see the program. i got a time by visiting our website a dot com for further discussion. go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter. i'll 100 is at ha insights from the house on the entire team here in doha bye for now.
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