here in the last year, the advertisement campaign seems to be working. natasha agony elk 0, prior to comp dot speed ah. across the world tributes have been pouring in for antea party hero, archbishop desmond tutu who has died at the age of 90 in cape town. nobel peace lawyer rose to prominence in the 1980s as a vocal opponent of racial segregation was appointed. the 1st black archbishop of cape town, most senior clerical position in the country, archbishop to to continue to speak out against racer in policy and poverty. in south africa and beyond, the described as the conference, my conscience. i always remind people that, you know, my dad was

a grown man by the time the world knew of him, a man with grandchildren. so that when i look at the young people of south africa today, i have great hope for the kind of leadership that our country needs. i see that our country actually has o d u n. the same that it's horrified by reports of a mass killing in me and mar. a child remains of 38 people are found in kaya state, witness to say the military rounded up civilians including children and shot them. the attack is thought to be in retribution after military patrols came under attack from armed ethnic groups. the bodies of 16 people who drowned trying to cross the english channel and lay to rest in northern iran. relatives of the kurdish migrants gathered it or appeal airport to receive their remains. before they were taken for burial. a total of $27.00 migrants died in the accident in the channel last month.

they was trying to reach the u. k. libby as red crescent says the bodies of 27 people and this includes a baby and 2 women have been washed, washed ashore in the countries west. 3 people have been rescued in such efforts. rhonda way for others around 1500 migrants have drowned a numerous boat accidents in the central mediterranean route. this year, about $700000.00 flights of been cancelled around the globe is infectious on the con, very into the corona virus springs, holiday calles to millions of people, ally and say they simply don't have the staff to get planes off the ground more than 2 and a half 1000 flights have been grounded so far on boxing day alone with hundreds more cancelled the next week. those are the headlines this our studio be unscripted is next. i joined al jazeera as part of the launch team in 2006. protestors have called for a 1000000 mom march. in that time i recovered wars, revolutions, elections,

and military coups. from the for velez of correct us. so the battle fields around most of our job is to get to the truth and empower people through knowledge. lulu this is a moment for us not to adjust to things that are so fundamentally unjust, ah, since fleeing south africa apartheid qu, me has scaled oil rigs and protested from the arctic ocean. to the alberto tarzan, i'm going to people go all over my belt. everything is that toxic mouth. what we mom is a transition out, but you know what we have is an addicted society and the fossil fuel industry continues to push those addictions. ah,

no nurse to opposition against colon uranium mines damn projects and oil pipelines . now like i'm standing here, is matter of choice. i'm sitting here, it's a matter of necessity. ah, one of the challenges we face is how do we keep engaged in struggle for such a long time when quite often we winning battles but losing the overall wall for justice. and i draw my inspiration for mercy, true story that i experience as a young activist when a friend of mine linen i do was kill together with 3 young women from my own city durban. and i had to think about the last conversation i had with him when we are fleeing into exile in different directions. we asked me the question for me, what is the biggest contribution you can make to the court of justice?

and i said giving your life and he said, you mean going, getting shot and killed and becoming a matter that i guess so. and that was what was happening in south africa in the eighty's when he asked me that question. and then he said, no, that's the wrong answer. so it's not giving your life but giving the rest of your life. and when he died, i had to think about that and in that is a wisdom that says the struggle for justice is a marathon and out of sprint. and people might forget that when nelson mandela was fighting the good fight, he was the wild when button the king rosa parks martha and the many others. at the time they stood up for justice. they were divided, but history then records that in fact, they were precious assets that humanity created. so i was curious to, to, to know, we know what gives you the cottage to wake up the after

the after the, to say, even though the cod suspect against us. i'm still going to stand up for justice. you know, 1st i live in, in, in the most beautiful place the creator could have been, you know, and so every day i look out and, and there was trumpeter swans before i left the wild swans live with me. and i was like, that's who i work for, you know, i work for the swans and i work for the horses and i work from other earth. i don't work for the state. i don't work for the, you know, and i think that, that, that in itself is, is pretty much a good reward. but, you know, i, i just spent the last 8 years trying to, trying to protect my territory from a canadian multinational named enbridge that just put in a tar sands pipeline line 3. now, you know, a $9000000000.00 tar sands pipeline, at the end of the fossil fuel era. you don't get a tiara for that one. you don't get a crown, you know, everybody is divesting from oil. even harvard,

my alma mater finally started. it's divestment policy. the saudi sovereign fund divested, you know, so you're at the end of the era and this last dinosaur, it's got to shove a pipeline down your throat. and so every day i stood up, i lived on the river. you know, 1000 people were arrested fighting this pipeline. a lot of indigenous women. they put the pipeline in during the pandemic. you know, and i can see as your brother who passed away, you know, in the 1919 nineties could see is that the systems are not working, but the longer that you fight them, the more that things change. and as i look out there, you know, i see that other pipelines did not get through the keystone excel pipeline was canceled, the constitution pipeline was cancelled. and many of those pipelines a, we're spoken about as if it was a fee to complete. it was different that is right, and the resistance went a little people like us, a little people like us that keep standing up in our battle is long from over with ambridge. so, you know, time will tell how that deconstruct sion of this industrial system occurs. we hope

it occurs in a way that provides a lot of jobs for a lot of people because taking out pipelines is a lot of labor, you know, and the just transition that, you know, or however we call it the, the, rebuilding, the restoration economy will take a lot of work, you know, and, and that opportunity is the opportunity to build an economy that makes sense. so that's very optimistic in the sense that you say the mountain is steep and it has to be climbed. but we're gonna climate our difficult it is. so this decade is a most consequential decade in immense is, is see what in struggle we are able to achieve over the next 10 years will determine what kind of future we have. but typically for people in small island states, the least developed countries and so on. so i believe that it, we're going to wind right now in a short time space. the far too many companies that are doing bad things in the

front end. and we probably don't have time to go off to each of them separately. i think what we need to do is follow the money and shut the flow of capital a toss. so that as many bad polluting projects that are taking us to the climate cliff is stopped. does isn't it with you at all? no, i mean, i think that that is a strategy. i mean, i was arrested, i was charged with a 1000 other people. i spent 3 days in jail fighting a canadian, multinational and watch biden turn his back on us. you know, what we need to do definitely is go to the financial institutions. we fight them on the ground because $2000000000.00 in cost overruns is not good for your investors. right. the longer you fight them, the more expensive the project gets. but what we need is the people, you know, the one percent that are making all the money. they have children to, they have grandchildren to and, and the financial that divestment movement is growing. and that is one thing that we are grateful for to keep divesting. don't put your money there, but make the future instead. so i feel that one of the challenge we have is we have

to get better at communicating. how can we communicate in ways that much larger numbers of people can easily understand that we are destroying ourselves? we are shooting ourselves every day and killing the possibilities for children to be able to prosper in the future. and i'm curious to know, but within indigenous culture it's what we can learn because of what i feel is that right now, we need to use up some culture, for example, much more as a way to communicate what is happening rather than you know, long documents and complicated policy, so i agree this month and my language is called, gosh god, no jesus, which means of freezing over moon. it turns out that there is no boon in ojo way language that is named after roman emperor. you know, don't have a job. i don't have a august, don't have that. and so like if you have

a world view that doesn't have to do with empire, which a lot of the world does, you can think a little differently than if you're like, preoccupied with, you know, the maintaining of empire, you know, in our prophecies admission. ave people, they talk about this as the time of the 7th fire. and in our prophecies, we're told that we have a choice between 2 paths. long time ago they said one path as well worn but scorched. the other path is not well worn and it's green, and it will be our choice upon which path to embark as our instructions every. almost every indigenous society has exactly the same teachings. and the other thing that mike society or my indigenous teachings don't have as we don't have armageddon . what we have is, birth death and rebirth. just like a cyclical world. you know, it is fall dog wagon. it is fall, the leaves are falling outside, then they go down. we get snow, and then it is quiet. it is quiet than we think we remember. and then it is reborn

in the spring. it is re bored in many of our teachings. we say this is the 4th world or the 5th world. you know, that we have to re make because humans make a mass. that's what we do. and then we remake this is our, our time to remake, get over, it changes inevitable. it's the question of who controls the change and we want to be the ones that are the agents of change. now we got put our minds together. when a great leader sitting both great political leader, he said, let us put our minds together to see what kind of future we can make for our children. you know, the answers are people like, you'll, me many more. not some guy, you know, over there at carp big, you know, big guy in the government, in, in the mines together is all of us. but the difficult to we're of is that while we need to put our minds together, cologne isms, biggest street was divide and rule, right? and so we are sitting with the situation right now. and you know this as well as i

do, that people have been divided by false promises. even indigenous communities have been divided as you know, where companies come in and sell a false prosperity and so on. because one of the things that we have to figure out right now, i think is for example, people were for oil, coal, and gas companies. they are our kin, the, our brothers and sisters. they didn't say we want to work in oil colon gas, but they were told that that's the way you deliver energy. now, when we say we need to make the transition, there are people within those in industries will feel threatened that. and that's why you and i, advocates for at just transition, right, so that people will either be retrained for renewable energy industry oyster closer time. and they should be able to to tie with dignity. anton,

but how do you think we deal with the challenge of winning people over who have been led to believe that the current system serves him, even though it certainly doesn't? well, i think the pandemic is a pretty good wake up for everybody. and the fact that, you know, people don't want to go back to business, as usual, is quite clear in the united states. and so in that there's this opportunity to kind of liberate yourself from all of that other thinking and figure out what you want to do. and i think a lot of people are doing that in north america. i see north dakota, oil, oil, oil estate, what are they trading their pupil for wind turbines? why? because north dakota is the windy estate. why are you doing oil, north dakota, when you could be doing wind, you could be doing help, you know, hampton limit. i mean, you know, this talk about bad. i mean, the solutions are there. i mean, you know, a little bit about him. right? right, right. this is that the thing is, so i've been growing him for 6 years. i have a permit from the state of minnesota and

a permit for the federal government to grow him a grow fiber him. i call this the new green revolution because, well that you could replace the materials economy with hip. you could sequester carbon with temp, you know, all that cement out there. if it was a country, be the 3rd largest country in terms of c. o. 2 emissions in the world would be the met. what if you went to hamp crete? you know, what if you used building systems that, that stored carbon instead of where carbon intensive like the, the landscape or that seat cityscape that we have? you know, so i'm saying the answers are there, and it is not necessarily new. it's the good thinking that we need. oh, i see a question. it looks as if hi my name sir. i'm calling in some we are territory northern california. my question has to do is use a recent survey of 10000 youth across the globe report ish. that 70 some percent g about the future and springing um you talked about the next 10 years being very important. i'm thinking about the use climate movement. i'm curious,

what advice you have right now given that the burden has been handed down to them? firstly, i would say young people and the youth movement have kept people like me going over the last couple years. it's been a source of tremendous inspiration. in fact, i did the treats after the declaration of co op 26 came out. i said it's ok. take the night and cry that we have been commonly betrayed by the climate negotiators. but on monday the fight continues. but the other thing i would say to young people is they have to resist this so called wisdom when we say young people are the leaders of tomorrow. but because if young people with silly take leadership to moral that my mom pitt, to morrow for young people to be able to access at leadership. the one thing young people of is freshness of perspective in the lenses, can look at old problems and look at it in

a different way. and i think that is what is critically needed right now. we need a new sense of imagination of the most important message for young people is to not lit those that have been climate denial. us. those that are speaking, utilize those that have given us this point of direction, the destruction of the benefit of thinking that they have destroy disparate. the way we do our activism should be a source of energy because we're gonna need a lot of inspiration and energy on a daily basis. if we're gonna turn things around. hello. hi, i'm kindly in south africa and south african. and i always wonder about how environmentalism is a space on privilege at the moment. and so my question is, are we current examples of how marginalized populations are included and informed on the conversation and in action inclined the justice. you know, from my perspective, you know, i live on a reservation in northern minnesota,

called whiter thyme, ojibway or nish, narbey. and we're looking out there and look like, looks like you all don't have it together. so we're gonna rebuild our local food system because your food system doesn't work. and then we're going to make solar thermal panels so that poor people who live in a cold place can get heat in a really efficient way. so making sure that what the changes that are needed are accessible to the people who need them the most. it has to be paramount in a just transition. it's not about just making sure that the top guys get everything the justice is in that the rest of us who are feeling the impacts of climate change . also also have that, you know, and the thing is, is that the next economy is not about competition. it's about cooperation. the one only thing on air to it is the kristin of our do those with privilege handle the privilege and for that. and i think that it's important that even within

so society that within our movements, we need to address the questions of a power imbalances that exists. so i just put up and, and say that even it's not just a question of government and business shutting out the most marginalized. but even those of us that seek to serve and that work needs to be done. well, you know, the other thing i just want to say is the one percent got to do their part. if you're in the one percent stand up for the rest of us because your kids are with us, you know? yes. so everybody can, that's what, how there's privilege and then there's the responsibility of privilege. so stand up for your responsibility. hello, my friend. thank you so much for this and lighten discussion. what lessons can they years climate movement take from their anti paid movement and how kids balance lessons then help us pressure the government to state of l. 1.5 celsius place. thinking by the way, were you speaking from i sent to the mean guy,

dominican republic ah, carrying. oh, wonderful. so right now, hello. we got a crazy situation. the i even sort of foundations and universities and even some religious institutions will say the all opposed to climate change, but actually some of their own investments are still sitting in fossil fuses changing fast. but so i think one of the things that helped us in phil africa to make the system dealer to demise was by people who had money. and that's why we don't i so right. the people at the top who have serious money. if they were to step forward and say we shifting every cent of hours away from dirty energy investment, but then make sure you shift it into something positive though, because also i think that people have made money from an unjust system that has driven us to this point of destruction, also an obligation now to use their money and resources in ways that and

genuinely positive that and so investing in innovation in young people and so on. that's one. the 2nd lesson i think that we can draw on is the importance of civil disobedience. if you see a stick to taught us anything. when humanity has faced the major injustice or major struggle or major challenge, those struggles only move forward and decent women and men step up and say enough is enough and no more. but prepared to put our life on the line if necessary, we prepare to go to prison if necessary. but i do think that the other thing that we can learn from the antipathy movement is which mandela taught us is always to be clear that we are fighting a system. and we're not fighting people. right? so my nail all is, was clear about saying we're not fighting white people. we are fighting a system that perpetuates white domination,

which is very different. and that's why we need to convince that people are benefiting from the cold system. that in fact, it is in dangerous to change because both the rich and poor children's lives affecting by climate change and hopefully that is a message you can communicate. but you know, you might have some as perspectives on this as well. i would agree. i mean i, i was a young student at harvard, i was involved in harvard divestment campaign. and in, you know, we are trying for a long time and, and the other thing you learn from that struggles, it takes a while. you know, it doesn't happen over night. you have to keep building the pressure and you have to keep transferring it. but my, my alma mater harvard, did divest in fossil fuels or is beginning that process. no such luck for long time on south africa. you know, and so you see changes happening and, and, you know, i, i, i have to taken a lot of good heart from the privilege of my experience with, with, with south african and see. and the, and the,

and the movement there. so take heart takes awhile, maybe the one last thing i would add is the critical importance of ensuring that all it is instance to the fossil fuel in the sea and other industries that have driving us to tie with destruction needs to be peaceful. i think that the people in certain governments and in certain indices that are banking on the anger and the disappointment that the young people and others are feeling will manifest themselves in violent resistance activities. i think that if we play into that, we will be doing a disservice to the struggle that right now, while i can completely understand, especially young people feeling an absolute sense of betrayal. i urge an appeal to young people to make sure that the ensure that i would assistance is bold. it

strong it's colleges, but we ensure that be the main peaceful. because if we cross that line, we will give those that one to prevent our voices from me, heard an excuse to come down and crush us and just to be clear, they are cashing resistance to injustices of all kinds at the moment. and that's what we are up against, but i think a dealing to be so ways is critically important. sorry, over to you. i my question about the, the changing face of colonialism and we're seeing the fossil fuel industry, the kind of western states increasingly look towards things like a nickel, co lithium, as materials that they can kinda extract was pretending to be green. so what can we, as the 21st century environmental movement due to the fight against that?

yeah, thank you for saying that. i mean, because i just had a pipelines shove down my throat by canada. it was a very colonial experience. i didn't have anything to do with any un declarations on the rights of indigenous people, you know, and that's the way it is with late state addiction. you know, they're going to keep trying to push these things and push these things. and then now the latest is the green mining projects for the electric cars. you know, i see that one. the 1st thing you gotta do is stop your level of consumption. we gotta like, cut back and cut back, how we behave, you know, because we behave like a bunch of t rex's quite frankly. you know? then the other thing we gotta do is go for like the easy answer, like one, you know, don't ask me to fill your energy needs in the united states with renewables when you weigh 60 percent of your power between point of origin and point of consumption . so get efficient and be responsible, that's what we do and that generates

a tremendous amount of jobs. insulating, rebuilding grid systems building local energy and that is more efficient. and it really fundamentally is also about how we relate to each other and how we relate to mother earth or our planet, you know. and so the d colonizing involves kind of letting go of your bad behavior and getting back into being the responsible people in societies that were supposed to be, you know, at this moment of transformation. you know, we're in the middle of a pandemic. we're sitting here in the bastion of colonialism itself, and i think what we're saying is time to move on time to rebuild relationships that are far more justin fair and i'm optimistic because i believe and, and i see that change has been made and i see our prophecies that say which way to go and i'm already a mile ready to move on the green path and, and i think a lot of us are optimistic given as a time. and a lot of that is as seen,

justice is being met with force and oppression. not because as was said many decades ago, 1st they ignore you. then they laugh at you, then they fight to. and then you, when the good news is the resistance, the injustice is not been ignored, is not being laughed. death is being fought very hard by those in power. and let's hope that if this was dom is right, then people are just one step away from winning economic justice, social justice, try with justice, gender justice, indigenous justice. and so, yes, in our hearts i know that our ancestors are with us and that we are ancestors for those who are not yet here. and they, i want them to look at me and say, you did a good job, sister, you know, and i said that this time, which is a good opportunity to do the right thing. it's beautiful that it's good to leave

with regret. 3rd, mm. one of the things i think is hard about social media considering it's called social media. it's more like more to look media. what do you think of the word evil? do you think that there is such a thing? is it a useful word? i don't think evil isn't useful while i think we've seized al jazeera, now you and i to saw the cult of love a sheer meaning charity towards what is broken in us. ah, i did 19 is a public health crisis that has been compounded by capitalism. alley raid navigates the big questions raised by the global pandemic power system based on private ownership in the pursuit of profit. so the world in

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