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molly has again postponed elections. the military says a democratic transition won't take place for up to 5 years. so what happens now on can west african regional leaders put the country back on the path to civilian rule? this is inside story. ah hello and welcome to the program. i'm debbie and abigail molly was supposed to hold presidential and parliamentary elections next month. but the military lead government has pushed that back by up to 5 years. army colonel,
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a semi goiter who staged to cooper in less than a year, blamed continuing insecurity and northern molly. major political parties have condemned the delay and the regional block echo us is threatening to impose more sanctions on military leaders. if a democratic transition doesn't happen soon, we'll bring in our guests in a moment. but 1st this report by victoria gate and be in downtown damica molly ins or absorbing the news. the elections they were promised next month aren't going to happen and may not for up to 5 years. opposition. leaders say the decision by the transitional government is unacceptable. it fed bizarre, sees it will do to go holding meetings to say they want to be in power for 5 years . i think this is anti constitutional anti democratic and it hasn't got any legitimacy. am gentle leader, kindly similar to the swooning last july, following 2 military coups in less than
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a year, he sought to unite mullins and said presidential elections would be held. but on thursday, a conference charged with recommending an election time table said the pole should be delayed. by between 6 months and 5 years, go to support his agree now is not the time for elections. osgood was heavy. liquor is proposed in the garage doers post electoral crises are more dangerous than the situation we're in today because we've seen genocide, we've seen blood baths across the world. today. i think we need congo to reassure the population here and elsewhere. larger funds, the international community must understand that the lesser evil today is addressing the concerns of molly and samar, a student dislike criticism. as the interim government analysts say it has managed to bring some stability to molly. god, let him in. implant by marquiz is to a large extent, it is that by it of every, every will you just have to look at how did able to change you out on the, on the ground in
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a very increment double. they steady it basis. the west african regional block equis is expected to discuss the situation next week. it's already imposed sanctions on officials and has promised moore if molly's leaders don't produce a plan for a democratic transition, victoria gate and be al jazeera. so how did we get here? well, back in 2012 to our rig, separatists took over large parts of northern molly arcadia and iso linked fighters also entered the region. in january 2013 former colonial power, france sent troops to remove the arm groups. but after struggling for 9 years, france announced that it would end its operation early in 2022 protests against the former president abraham boob car case. i began in june 2020, many accused him of failing to fix insecurity corruption and the economy. so military leaders to power 2 months later forth in case that's a resign. after 7 years and office, the international community condemned the coo,
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the gentle leader, a c. me. goiter had agreed to return power to civilians. elections were supposed to be held after an 18 month transitional period. ah, let's bring in our guest, joining us from bama cohen or nella moran head of the health program at the institute for security studies in accra emanuel co ways, the enning director of research at the cofi and an international peacekeeping training center. and joining us from copenhagen is seen a call there, oven kildare, who's a senior researcher on security and development. and so how region at the danish institute for international studies, welcome to the program. thanks so much for joining us or nella. i'll begin with you . you say that you are not surprised by this postponement, but what is surprising to you is the boldness of proposing an up to 5 year delay. what does that signal to you? well, as you said, the suggestion to postpone the time,
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i think should, should, should not come as a surprise for the most stakeholders. we used to have an actual timeline that were quite unrealistic in the process and by which the current transitional government, as opposed to the previous one, never from the a deal to. so that's, that's a, that's been it. but woodman would be suggested is not that surprising. what isn't it is the notion that this would go into 5. there is now it's, it should be noted that officials in by my crew as well as the foreign minister himself clarified including to, to the national television. but in fact, these 5 years should be seen as a maximum timeline. so one question i think is to what extent is on this 55 years, really what the government is any are as opposed to what extent is it's
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a posture for, for negotiations. ok, being molly itself. well, the opinions are very nice, so an important element i think is bad business suggestion does not come from nowhere, right? so the millions of men organized what really wasn't a conference as, as was mentioned in your reports, but a process, a consultation process, national consultation process, which invoke thousands of people to present the country. and ended up with this suggestion. so what this process doesn't, but it lends the proposition of extension, some level of appearance, popular legitimacy. this, of course, makes it much harder for external actions like it was and, and others to, to simply just call the it's current context. okay. important. yeah, apologies. let me just bring in our other guess that's an important point that you
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raised. course the awning. so as, as, or nella was just saying this, this decision was backed by a national consultation process. so do you think that is going to make it difficult for bodies like a co us or others to question it? no, i think it was last the plots right from the word go. whatever is right when a cool to place a quest misconstrued and misunderstood assisting process. i mean power relations, best number one, number 2, a cost misunderstood it, changing your politics of malik itself. and then the sub bridget and a rule of external factors, but the newly that's you could go to for support it. oh, so the set of the range of tools in this tool box actually is
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becoming limit. so for me, i would have said this is kind of a surprise and i think for us to be suppose that people who are to step how i would basically does go back to the barracks and order and election when those who are pushing for change themselves and very disturbing skeletons in the book. ok, so question. when an anxious which it has for for the postponement of these elections, 1st of all will it follow through and 2nd of all will sanctions make a difference? i says will make a difference at all because the range of function that available will not be effective. what you i want to prevent the head of state and is people from getting medicaid foods in the bark, accounts prevention them from traveling prevention. the kids from going to school, whereby they go to this many miles superficial inhibition that do not catch
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the crust of the problem. the problem is that the old political need sub last ground to be corrupt. you seem disrespectful. and this new be this i using language that appeals to the people. and as i said, the decision for the 5, yes, is only a bag in each, an opening for the issues in which they will eventually come to see to and how to get it to that. yes, point. depends on the quality of the know what's the issue that table. ok. and i think right from where the series of who started i think question number to show that ok, let's bring in folks hagan and seen it over to you. what is your take and how do you see this postponement? i agree with my colleagues. this might not be very surprising and it also seems as it's what you're into, it's actually achieved here, is constructing quite a lot of
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a gray stone constitutional order that allows them to operate quite freely because the international clinician that by the european forces definitely in a dilemma because they are so deeply engaged and the logic behind the european contingent. this also that's in the european security depends on the security in these african states. and that means that it's very difficult at this point in time to actually make any audit and sanctions against this. so work that way they have sort of are they sort of gained a strategic up at hand as far as i see. what i think is a bit surprising is to what extent have there been other actress which plays the also an announce that have made some sort of darren cheese to security or
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guarantee for backing the young. but if they decide to go ahead with this, a plan which we also see now has been contested by several mythical parties when you make other actors who are you referring to here. and particularly the rumors around the wagon groups engagement. but of course, also brushes, engagement, and russia is, of course, not a illegitimate partner. but the problem for europe is that europe has quite a lot of different points of interest in, in other regions as well. so europe and france also does not necessarily approve of a russian influence in, in the region and was problematic in that of these external echoes ends up being engaged for other reasons. been creating peace and ability, but they are more there to protect their own political strategic interests. and
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that, to me seems quite dangerous. and what we're also seeing is that from the you said there's a lot of populace speak, and there is also another this for this information campaign. but all that, this information campaigns about french interest is not only produced fired by russia. so we must not forget how much actually popular this content there is with okay, we're talking about the french involvement as well as the russian involvement in just a moment. but 1st are annella. one question to you because the, the military is blaming continuing. insecurity in northern molly, one of the reasons for, for this postponement does the security situation and parts of the country actually allow for the government to hold elections at this point. so the simple
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answer would be no, but no. so the security situation right now is extremely difficult on the grounds for preventative are estimated to be actually present on the field in about a 3rd of the come feel nice would be really difficult to hold elections that said, this is not the only reason and perhaps not even the main reason why this is happening. another important elements is the time for change that that money is in which when mentees essential promising to to, to provide, if given more time the summary of the election after the incentive. so there's still quite a bit of a, among public opinion here, and there is a feeling, but then there was a lot of fields promised at money that it was and rushes into
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infections that essentially didn't change anything to the soul, anything and but now 7 years later, we're still in this situation. so this appetite this, this, this internet port change is also what the traditional government is promising. so that i think it's important to, to mention along with this notion of having a job extension that have proposed a more specific timeline for the various reforms which all the mental refund parties are, are asking for. and which previous elected needs as well as their international field to to, to believe our impacts. okay. cause any which or who i mean senior was touching upon this a moment ago, but what country would have been given its blessing for the, for the postponement? surely this is not
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a decision that the military can come to decide on themselves. is it? i mean, the military guys smacked, they've looked at your political situations. this seemed to change it and then decided to clean out the li very definitely. now the to talk, man, how studied in russia the have the lives we are see a reset them for a russia with an aggressive foreign and defense and policy all around the sub region. we see the, you know, group you know, in central africa, republic and elsewhere. and he realized that under my discomfort this year, he paul christine, of go sweating by white. there was another peer, almost every western european country talking about the rule of the russians. probably wouldn't missionaries crisscross into sub region before. now, the russia,
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you say the russian, however, they say that russian trainers are in the country as part of a bilateral agreements between molly and russia. that's what they say. and i got my agreements and we've got 3 and it's monday. so, you know, so, so what you're doing is it has stepped into fill the security gap when france announced that it would be withdrawing its troops. no, i mean, russia has always been around. i mean, let's not forget that russia has gone out of the old soviet union and this will get, you know, have been a bigger player just like 10 on the continent. so the 1950s. okay, so these are the relationships that are being giving new clothing. now, and a number of analysts from elsewhere, 10 or get after misquote. true. the correct and the analysis emanating from bummer, but it's only about bummer full significance about bama. is that where the
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international community to feel? how will gimme see this? what level bridge can we have with the game? and what this kid into other countries where it's similar difficulties as well. mila was talking about with being the kind of an american. so show ellipse are creating the basis for instability. so guessing valley right, it's better or fortunately, i think the way most people i looked at this wrong rush actually problem to was no group to spend a problem. so actually we need to look at the broadcasting group in which people who have been marginalized, when you write and fell victim right. have the boys to the table. okay, sir, would you, would you like to add on to what we were hearing from was the any i definitely think it's a very important point. race by crazy. this thing that even 10 years ago,
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no one had imagined this kind of had the insurgency in this a hell. and we've seen this eat. and the escalation has through which violence, which is not only by committed by you had schools, but also by all kinds of self defense. michelle, that in the vacuum of security, prohibition by government forces is able to bribe of violence. and also we see how security forces also producing violence in itself. so it's really important that, that this whole construction of bis as only being, as he had his grip. it also points to so many deep line problems up security, permission for ordinary citizens in the region. which is not only limited to molly, but of course the kind of impunity that is seen and the kind of diplomatic
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bet lock that is observed in mommy's extremely worrying. because i think what we need to understand is also that these foreign interventions are not occupying forces. they are into interventions by invitation. and that means that they rely on this for the nation to corporate and to invite them into the territory . but that also gives a lot of beverage to these kinds of, of governments. however, mel constructive and malfunctioning, they may be. so what we are saying in, in, in the academic is that these in part, the states or the states in the hill, they are able to tame interventions. that means that they are completely able to use all these foreign investments right, for pursuing their own interests. and i think that's,
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that's something we need to take into consideration when it's this idea that we can kind of construct security in the region like this to help we forget actors on the ground, the political ok, let me bring it into. let me bring in or another because or another over in germany . what we're hearing now is the, the parliamentary commissioner for the armed forces that, that the german army should evaluate its role in molly and consider and the military operations there. as we've been talking to french military is in the process of winding down its operations in the country as well. are these moves welcome by molly and the bus? sure that's international shows are all taking generally is, is appreciated in very different ways. of course, the has some concern about the draw down the can. but again, i mean, this is not what the, that the statements of the,
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an actual male we're, we're just, we're the context. we're just looking at the security situ. i, i would like to get back to one thing you, you said earlier, which, you know when this question as well, whether or not authorities could, could have just taken this decision on their own. i believe this is one of the mistakes that the international community has been making from the get go to want to minimize the agency of national authorities because because they emanated from the coach perhaps also for other reasons. one of the things we have seen through repeatedly, i think, is the ability of these governments to, to, to ship the tables, to, to, to shift power. that power mixon essentially create
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leeway for, for negotiations for themselves. and eventually at the end of the best get what they want. so these kind of minimizing and treats that they should be treated as junior diplomats, i think is a strategic mistake, which i would not encourage perpetuating course would. would you like to respond to, to what we heard from ornell and also we just have a few minutes left. what do you think is going to happen next? how is this going to play out? well i think i agree with the mirror when the light is on systems, but it miscalculations by outside this that every jamie bama doesn't have agency is false. one we are going to see in the next couple of months. it's an ethical asked that we seek to reagan, the initiative, but it has very limited tools to play with. you know, so i am guessing that we are going to look at the compromise solution that looks
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at. so anywhere between 2 and i b as to 3. yes. for the transition process. now, within that period, the regime and there was a way to get the extra miss valence under control, which i know it's almost impossible because it's spreading by molly. it's a touchy point and the way that the question that why the international community would resolve this problem will be indicated of how stable to some bridge in this, in 2022. and after ok, seen a life work for you in 30 seconds. what do you think is going to happen next? how's this going to play out? i also see this the continuous, phlegmatic games in between these different actors. i also see that perhaps the 5 years was an optimistic sort of bit, perhaps a negotiated settlement within the timeframe of 2 to 3 years. it could be what we
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were heading that and probably that the european fissions and interventions will have to accept that. because i also see that we are not withdrawing from this a hill. i think it's important to raise that the french is reorganizing its troops, so it's more of a trading and the mission and the but also at a distance. so we're going to see more drones, all kinds of high tech, no logical engagements, but not necessarily the best investment in the region. ok, well, have to leave it there or not. and thank you so much for joining us. or a la mutter on emanuel with enning and seen a cold rubbing kill day. thanks so much for your time. thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com for further discussion. you can go to our facebook page at facebook dot com forward slash a g inside story. you can join the conversation on twitter or handle as a inside story for myself and the whole thing right here in delphi. thanks for
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