these in your country are higher, then the people that are coming in may no, no, then you restrict travel into your country when other places have lower rates of mission. and also if you have high levels of unity either from delta infection, from home or con, infection and vaccination, then the virus on, on health will not be back to your for your, for your country. and it makes more sense to maintain the normal function by the in our economy, by not restricting travel. ah, i'm only inside, but the headlines here on out is era. novak joker ventures facing deportation from australia offices entry visa was cancelled. he is appealing to decision joke of it says he had earlier got an exemption to play in the australian open. not they

refused to give proof of 19 vaccination, australia prime minister. no medical exemption was in place. rules ah, rules. and there are no special cases. rules are rules what i said yesterday, that's the policy the government and has been governments strong, border protection policies, and particularly in relation to the pandemic. that is ensure the destroyer has one of the lowest death rights from target anywhere in the world. we one of the 1st countries to move on shutting ab was we were criticized at the time. but it was the right decision. and we have maintained those important border controls the entire period of the pandemic. sara clark has more from australia, sunshine coast. yesterday when he announced that he was coming to participate, i had received his travel exemption and an unbuttoned. i did status. this is when the salient, there was

a widespread anger and fuel about is what they're accusing the government of giving him special treatments. the certainly the last a little while the last hour. so the hope net also here in australia greg count is confirmed. the bees that had been cancelled following an overview of the exemption provided by the victorian government. so that's the development on thursday morning and astrology of the year as president taught medical advisors urging people to continue taking precautions against current of ours and to be found, she warned against complacency to spy indications. the oma calling variant may not be a severe russian lead alliance says it will send peacekeepers because extolled the president of for help to crow person. several security officers have been killed in 4 days of unrest. okay, those headlines nice continues here now to 0 to inside stories they will ah,

there calls it the conflict with south koreans who are forced to provide sexual services to japanese soldiers before and during the 2nd world war they want compensation. but after so many decades, will they get any houses affecting ties between tokyo and sold? this is inside stored. ah, hello, welcome to the program. i'm kim vanelle. south koreans are marking 30 years since they began weekly protests against japan's war time,

sex slavery scandal. that demanding a sincere apology and compensation for thousands of women who are victims of human and sex trafficking soul and tokyo reached an agreement in 2015 when japan agreed to pay a total of almost 9000000 dollars. but last year, a south korean course and the unification ministry concluded that was not enough. increasing tensions between the 2 nations. the japanese prime minister for me. ok, shita who was foreign minister when the 2015 deal was done last month. earth, south korea to abide by the bilateral agreement, saying that at least the promise between states must be kept or any discussion from now on will be meaningless. the term consequent refers to a system of sexual slavery and was created and controlled by the imperial japanese government between 19321945. it is the largest case of government sponsored human trafficking and sexual slavery in modern history. based on the 2015 accord,

japan paid $8700000.00. the money was distribution through a foundation to form a victims and the families of those who have since died. in 2019 the foundation was dissolved with south korean president min jane deciding the deal agreed under the previous government failed to properly reflect the victims wishes. and last year, a south korean court ordered the japanese government to pay further damages to form a comfort women. japan protested at south korea's unification. ministry urged japan on tuesday to do more to help the victims, and to heal the wounds. ah, well, let's bring in our guests from she's walker said 0 talk. you sheeter, professor of management at the university of she's a worker in tokyo, professor craig mark, who is a professor of international studies at curate to women's university. and joining us from sweet, got say one cool publisher of korea. expose a and independent media outlet. very well. welcome to the program. first though,

we're going to talk to melinda ear, who is asia programs coordinator and humanitarian action specialist at the global network of women piece builders. she joins us from new york. thank you very much for joining us. so you were the lead researcher into a very comprehensive report looking into conflict related sexual slavery. i want to talk 1st about comfort women. it's the euphemism. and it's a very poor euphemism because the actual experience of what these women went through was horrific, wasn't yes, absolutely. the comfort women are victims of the most well known occurrence of military sexual slavery. hundreds of thousands of korean, taiwanese chinese, filipino and dutch women among others in asia and the pacific were subjected to sexual slavery at the hands of the japanese imperial, our army within there, annexed are occupied territories during world war 2. as a part of

a wide spread military war crimes system. and perhaps the most shocking and horrifying thing about this, this history of conflict related sexual slavery is a house system, a ties, it was, and how deeply ingrained into the japanese military war time strategy. it was, and the comfort women who are hundreds and thousands of them have yet to receive justice and have it adequate survivors centered relief and recovery. so they're still still waiting for, for their, their, their horrifying experiences to be truly acknowledging and to be adequately receiving justice. what does the impact, what is the impact of that sort of trauma? what does it do? long term i was reading some of the stories of some of these women, you know, taken against their will subject to, to rape dozens of times a day for

a very long period of time. what does that do to somebody? yeah, i mean conflict related, sexual violence. first of all is a very broad term and conflict related sexual slavery is a small part of this broader term of horrifying violence that many women and gender nonconforming people experience. and one thing that's really important to acknowledge is that not only is, is there a component of sexual violence. but there's, there are also other forms of violence that these survivors experienced in tandem including forced labor force marriage for sterilization amongst and sometimes even trafficking amongst other forms of violence. and the impacts of this are psychological, their physical and societal. a lot of the survivors face a lot of stigma when they return to their communities if they're able to and it's very difficult for them to reintegrate themselves. many i have children born

a freight and really struggle to raise those children or access safe abortions or, or even be able to, to cope with the trauma. so. so those are some of the impacts of sexual slavery. sexual slavery in times of war has not gone away, has it? no, unfortunately, not. conflict related, sexual slavery is a wide spread, systematic, institutionalized, and deliberate human rights abuse committed by state and non state arm groups alike . and we've seen the context in which conflict related sexual slavery occurs, has evolved since world war 2 and the rise of violent extremist groups and criminal networks has contributed to this wide spread use of the bodies of women and girls as a form of currency. in the political economy of war, force displacement, refugees, crises, and humanitarian emergencies. as

a result of armed conflict have further exacerbated insecurity for women and girls, increasing their vulnerability to sexual slavery. and we've seen examples from nigeria to syria, to guatemala. so it's very, very present and insidious form of violence across the world. i will have to leave it there. thank you very much for your time. i there from the global network of women piece field is really appreciate it. thank you. alright, let's bring in the rest of our guests now, as we turn specifically to the issue of conflict, women, as i say, a very poor euphemism. i'd like to begin with you said one qu in stuttgart, hundreds of thousands of victims. between 20152016. the japanese government seemed to go from apologizing to denying the experience of, of these women. what's your assessment in terms of where things are at right now?

are in japan's attitude to with these women in its attitude towards true remorse and redress? well, what you're describing is not being seen as a new phenomenon from the perspective of many koreans, the position of the japanese government is seen by many young people as being somewhat fluctuating. so definitely there had been unofficial apology in 1997. we're talking about the corner statement and also the comfort women agreement in 2015 can be seen as part of that as well. but on officially, there are comments made by the japanese politicians in the japanese government as well. they seem to question the importance of disagreement, importance of acknowledging this legacy. and these kind of statements continue to feel a significant discontent in south korea over whether japan, in fact,

is sincere about addressing the issue and having an active dialogue about what was actually done by itself in the colonial period. so that is really one source of tension as we move forward and as remark the thirty's anniversary of the protest in crying japan, recruitment of comfort women today. yeah, they continue to talk about the fact that korea never be received and the big can certainly never receive your apology from japan. a cadillac. pass over to craig, mark in tokyo. do you agree with that assessment? in terms of japan's, how is it described fluctuating response? do you, do you think japan has shown true? remorse continues to show true rule. no, i wouldn't say japan has continued to show remorse, certainly not from the recent government under sins a lot by and now why prime minister assume you kisha as it was mentioned at the

start mr. case, it was the foreign minister when the agreement was concluded in 2015 under the previous president puck in hay. and since president moon, the current president decided to discontinue cooperation with the agreement in $29.00 . ever since the japanese government's position has been that will it's up to south korea to resume that agreement. and mister kisa is in no mood to compromise on that stairs at all. particularly when he's under pressure from the conservative elements in his ruling liberal democratic party who are largely responsible for him winning the leadership last october. and that includes a former prime minister ave, who is now head of the largest faction in the l d p. so i don't see any room for

compromise on mr. kisha and the japanese government's part at all. okay, i'd like to cross over to said 030 shita. is there any issue with describing this as an agreement? i mean, we're talking about hundreds of thousands of women who was systematically rate and then you, you pull out and you go to that to the, to the, to the politics of it. and we're talking about agreements between countries. i mean, once you take on japan stance right now, all in japan stance is the fact that we can't go any further. the reason for this being is that there has been an agreement in 1965. the issue, the compensation claims was settled completely final and in addition as say one had been i had been explaining, we've also had various other opportunities. so she, in regards to comfort women back in 2000, i think it was 15. there has been further agreements. now,

the fact of the matter is, of course, whatever agreement you may have, whatever you know, the, the, the coalition or the talks that you may have. the hurt and pain. and the deeds you know could never be, you know, compensated. that's a fact, but at the same time we need to go forward and especially considering the economic ties that we have in the 2 countries. it's very clear that we have to go forward. but the fact of the matter is, is what the chinese high court did in 2018 is basically saying that the war time labor, for example, that order the japanese from to compensate as koreans is basically breaking all the international laws. in other words, they're acting almost like a back street drug dealer. have absolutely no respect at all on international agreements. and my opinion is, what can the japanese government do under the situation and where you're seeing virtually no agreement. and the korean government often taking the stands to

utilize this as their political tool. because obviously, japan bashing is the easiest methodology of increasing popularity. so the fact of the matter is, is that it's very, very difficult for the japanese government to make any official, for example, apologies because they know that things only could get worse because they'll be taking advantage of a self forget that, you know, after the 2018 the soon by the supreme court in korea, japan, direct investment into korea has declined by 41 percent 1st after 2019. but for the rest of the world as well, it's dropped by 40 percent as well. the reason is very obvious. nobody wants to have a deal with country that had absolutely no respect of agreement. now, ok, why we have to mingle these things together? the fact of the matter is, is that we have to go on forward. we have to separate these issues from the

emotional issues versus the economics and politics. ok, i want to pass over to say one could do you agree with that? well, we heard the expression being taken advantage of for apologizing. but the comparison and koreans who make between japan, which pennies, of course, germany, germany being a country, that committee war time crimes that are internationally recognized and continues to apologize for been year after year. and they do not consider the fact that this may be something that they be, they could be taken advantage of ford. so if there's such an example, what stops japan from doing the same when it's clear, not just from the perspective of koreans but also from the international community . united nations included anyone activists in new york,

that the comfort women system was criminal. so that is something to think about. at the same time, i believe the professor does ready for the important point on japan site and an international agreement. they said this is final and irreversible. so is it possible for korea to say the view is not off? and in fact, there are questions we've been within korea as to whether this is possible. let's not forget that the president one james and his former foreign minister congo law. they never actually officially question the validity of the deal. but the government instead is to engage in actions that certainly jeopardize the deal. for example, closing the foundation that manages the 1000000000 compensation for that japan gate . and also they're trying to say that whatever money they have so far, been dispersed from this compensation fund will be made up by the self clean

government. and that the problem when we find a way to get their money back to japan, but certainly not everybody believes that this is possible. crestmarc, what's your assessment in terms of what all of this is done to japan's relationship with, with south korea? well, it's just one of the factors which has seen the deterioration in relations over recent years. it's not just this issue. it's also the dispute over the territorial waters between japan and south korea, particularly the doctor islands is claimed by korean. the cache more islands is played by japan that's been occupied by south korea since the korean war and also the long running issues of the legacy of the colonial era and done trade disputes in general. although ironically,

they are prospects for some improvements of since the beginning of this year, the us hip agreements, the original comprehensive economic partnership messy. the multi lateral tri deal has come into effect to linking china with the most of the other states in the asia pacific. and that includes a south korea and japan, so there is a prospect for some breakthrough in tried relations. but sir, really, it's gonna take some external effects, i think by allies of south korea and japan to try and get some mutual resolution. particularly the united states is of course the k l i for both japan and south korea. but even other countries are including australia, which has good trade insecurity relations with both countries. so we're, there's got to be a, quite a lot of a diplomatic effort required. and from not just between south korea and japan,

but amongst it's a part is in the region to try and get some progress happening. okay, so did that to see that correct me if i'm wrong, but i believe that japan does not have a national human rights commission. what does that say to you about it's willingness and ability to confront human rights abuses of the past? well, the fact of the matter is, is that we are quite behind in quite a lot of issues, including for example, you know, a single parenthood on the north korean japan is country that has that. unfortunately, there's a lot of vested interest involved in this country, like many other countries. and for that reason, there are many things that are quite behind, especially towards international standards, protecting areas like top management of that includes not only the corporations, but also the bureaucracy as well. so obviously there are many issues that are quite late, but if you're trying to take a picture that for example, or human rights, i would say, acknowledgement or awareness as well. that is certainly not the case. now to put an

analogy to this whole issue is quite simple. in my opinion, i think c one. busy has been giving a very good example about in comparison with germany. but the fact of the matter is, and i grew with him. but the fact of the matter is, is what happens to germany, how their attitude will change if, for example, poland or the netherlands or other countries that they've been, you know, basically invading during world war 2, including like countries. greek, greece, what is these countries have started to just basically shut down the factories of siemens or bush or whatever your mercedes or whatever, and tell them that they have to basically settle the payment which had been agreed you know, decades ago, the business will not go forward and obviously the main factor of these 2 countries is coalition on the economic side, especially with the aggression that we're seeing from china. the fact of the matter

is that we do have to create a good coalition. and there's a lot of things that these 2 countries can basically learn from each other and basically create a lot of synergism. but unfortunately, it's showing a negative centers in this point. and that basically comes from this, i would say, preoccupations and a lot of perception that has been created by the both parties. but i think particularly i the, you know, korean politicians to the public. korea, so on. cool. there is a lot of talk about, obviously the agreements, the politics, what this is done to the economy, has there been a re victimization of these women who experienced these atrocities they've been protesting for 30 years? what are they saying now those that are left? what are they saying now about the impact that has on them? who are the ones who have experienced all of this? so as in the media, the aftermath of the 2015 agreement,

many of the survivors came forward saying that the to not agree with this. and that the government national, right to decide what they should center for. but it's becoming increasingly difficult to really hear the voices of the survivors simply because many of them are no longer here. they had passed away. so in the absence of those voices, it's been quite, let's say cultural bad ring korea to determine just exactly how this comfort women legacy should be served. there has been a very important scandal in korea, in bold, being one of the figure heads of this movement. you me later ended up becoming a promotional representative international assembly for the holding party. she has been facing numerous allegations about embezzling funds that are meant to assist these survivors. and it certainly has discredited this campaign to a certain extent. and also there have been instances where certain other voices

about the comfort women legacy are being silenced. a good example is a book by a professor named hong newheights is on university. she wrote a book about the complement issue and she had different takes on the matter from what the, the mainstream historiography will call for. and for that reason the book has been censored and her career has been in trouble. and she's also facing various lawsuits . so it is a very difficult climate also in korea where different opinions can be expressed about the comp for women. precisely because comfort women themselves are not necessarily in a position to say what they really went through anymore. okay, we're coming to the end of the program. we've got about a minute left, craig, mark, about to end with you. how do you think this is going to play out this disagreement over the agreement, around comfort, women, and the legacy?

well, i don't think anything has any prospect of moving ahead until at least after the elections for the south korean president, sergio in march. depending on who is the new president that might have the chance for a circuit breaker. and also after the up house elections in july, if mister kish, it performs well enough there, he'll be able to have a bit more political leeway domestically to possibly move ahead and try and resolve this issue. but there's probably not going to be any diplomatic movements ahead of those domestic elections. all right, thank you to all of our guests said, you know, thank you she to craig, mark and say one coup. and thank you for watching. you can see the program again. any time by visiting our website at al serra dot com and for further discussion, go to our facebook page since facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story. you

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