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. that calls it the conflict with it. south koreans who were forced to provide sexual services to japanese soldiers before and during the 2nd world war i want compensation. but after so many decades, will they get any houses affecting ties between tokyo and so this is inside stored . ah hello, welcome to the program. i'm kim vanelle. south koreans are marking 30 years since they began weekly protests against japan's war time, sex slavery scandal. that demanding

a sincere apology and compensation for thousands of women who were victims of human and sex trafficking. soul in tokyo reached an agreement in 2015 when japan agreed to pay a total of almost $9000000.00. but last year, a south korean course and the unification ministry concluded that was not enough. increasing tensions between the 2 nations. the japanese prime minister for me. ok, shita who was foreign minister when the 2015 deal was done last month. earth, south korea to abide by the bilateral agreement, saying that at least the promise between states must be kept or any discussion from now on will be meaningless. the term concert women refers to a system of sexual slavery and was created and controlled by the imperial japanese government between 19321945. it is the largest case of government sponsored human trafficking and sexual slavery in modern history. based on the 2015 accord,

japan paid $8700000.00. the money was distributed through a foundation to former victims and the families of those who have since died. in 2019 the foundation was dissolved with south korean president min j. in deciding the deal agreed under the previous government failed to properly reflect the victims wishes. and last year south korean court ordered the japanese government to pay further damages to former comfort women. japan protested at south korea's unification. ministry urged japan on tuesday to do more to help the victims, and to heal the wounds. ah, well, let's bring in our guests from she's walker said, general tuck, he shitter, professor of management at the university of she's a worker in tokyo, professor craig mark, who is a professor of international studies at cure it through women's university. and joining us from sweet gods say one qu, publisher of korea, expose a and independent media outlet. very well, welcome to the program. first though,

we're going to talk to melinda ear, who is asia programs coordinator and humanitarian action specialist at the global network of women piece builders. she joins us from new york. thank you very much for joining us. so you were the lead researcher into a very comprehensive report looking into complet related sexual slavery. i want to talk 1st about comfort women. it's the euphemism. and it's a very poor euphemism because the actual experience of what these women went through was horrific, wasn't yes, absolutely. the comfort women are victims of the most well known occurrence of military sexual slavery. hundreds of thousands of korean, taiwanese chinese, filipino and dutch women among others in asia and the pacific were subjected to sexual slavery at the hands of the japanese imperial, our army within there, annexed are occupied territories during world war 2. as a part of

a wide spread military war crimes system. and perhaps the most shocking and horrifying thing about this, this history of conflict related sexual slavery is how system ties it was. and how deeply ingrained into the japanese military war time strategy. it was, and the comfort women who are hundreds and thousands of them have yet to receive justice and have it adequate survivors centered relief and recovery. so they're still still waiting for, for their, their, their horrifying experiences to be truly acknowledged and to be adequately receiving justice. what does the impact, what is the impact of that sort of trauma? what does it do? long term i was reading some of the stories of some of these women, you know, taken against their will subject to rape dozens of times a day for

a very long period of time. what does that do to somebody? yeah, i mean conflict related, sexual violence. first of all is a very broad term and conflict related sexual slavery is a small part of this broader term of horrifying violence that many women and gender nonconforming people experience. and one thing that's really important to acknowledge is that not only is, is there a component of sexual violence. but there's, there are also other forms of violence that these survivors experienced in tandem including forced labor force marriage for sterilization amongst and sometimes even trafficking amongst other forms of violence. and the impacts of this are psychological, their physical and societal. a lot of the survivors face a lot of stigma when they return to their communities if they're able to and it's very difficult for them to reintegrate themselves. many i have children born in

freight and really struggle to raise those children or access safe abortions or, or even be able to, to cope with the trauma. so. so those are some of the impacts of sexual slavery. sexual slavery in times of war has not gone away, has it? no, unfortunately, not conflict related, sexual slavery is a wide spread, systematic institutionalize and deliberate human rights abuse committed by state and non state arm groups alike. and we've seen the context in which conflict related sexual slavery occurs, has evolved since world war 2 and the rise of violent extremist groups and criminal networks has contributed to this wide spread use of the bodies of women and girls as a form of currency. in the political economy of war, force displacement, refugees, crises, and humanitarian emergencies. as

a result of armed conflict have further exacerbated insecurity for women and girls, increasing their vulnerability to sexual slavery. and we've seen examples from nigeria to syria, to guatemala. so it's very, very present and insidious form of violence across the world. i will have to leave it there. thank you very much for your time. i there from the global network of women piece field is really appreciate it. thank you. alright, let's bring in the rest of our guests now. as we turn specifically to the issue of comfort women, as i say, a very poor euphemism. i'd like to begin with you say one qu in stuttgart, hundreds of thousands of victims. between 20152016. the japanese government seemed to go from apologizing to denying the experience of these women want your assessment in terms of where things are at right now,

are in japan's attitude to which these women, its attitude towards true remorse and redress. well, what you're describing is not seen as a new phenomenon from the perspective of many koreans, the position of the japanese government is seen by many korean people as being somewhat fluctuating. so definitely there had been unofficial apology in 1997. we're talking about the corner statement and also the comfort women agreement in 2015 can be seen as part of that as well. but unofficially, there are comments made by the japanese politicians and the japanese government as well. they seem to question the importance of disagreement, importance of acknowledging this legacy. and these kind of statements continue to feel a significant discontent in south korea over whether japan, in fact,

is sincere about addressing the issue and having an active dialogue about what was actually done by itself in the colonial period. so that is really one source of tension as we move forward. and as we mark the 30 cent grocery of the protests and crying japan recruitment of women today. yeah, they continue to talk about the fact that korea never be received and can certainly never receive a sincere apology from japan, a cadillac pass over to craig, mark in tokyo. do you agree with that assessment? in terms of japan's? how is it described fluctuating response? do you, do you think japan has shown true? remorse continues to show true rule. no, i wouldn't say japan has continued to show remorse, certainly not from the recent government's understands a lot by and now why prime minister assume you're kisha. as it was mentioned,

at the stop mister case, there was the foreign minister when the agreement was concluded in 2015 under the previous president park in hay. and since president moon, the current president decided to discontinue cooperation with the agreement in $29.00 . ever since the japanese government's position has been that will it's up to south korea to resume that agreement. and mister kisa is in no mood to compromise on that stairs at all. particularly when he's under pressure from the conservative elements in his ruling liberal democratic party who are largely responsible for him winning the leadership last october. and that includes a former prime minister ave, who is now head of the largest faction in the l d p. so i don't see any room for

compromise on mr. kisha and the japanese government part at all. okay, i'd like to cross over to say, you know, how to sheeter. is there any issue with describing this as an agreement? i mean, we're talking about hundreds of thousands of women who was systematically right. and then you, you pull out and you go to that to the, to the, to the politics. all that. and we're talking about agreements between countries. i mean, what's your take on japan stance right now? or japan stance is the fact that we can't go any further. the reason for this being is that there has been an agreement in 1965 are the issue, the compensation claims to settle completely final and edition. as i say one had been i have been explaining, we've also had various other opportunities. so she, in regards to comfort women are back in 2000. i think it was 15. there has been further agreements. now, the fact of the matter is, of course,

whatever agreement you may have, whatever you know, the, the, the coalition or the talks that you may have, the, her, the pain and the deeds you know could never be, you know, are compensated. that's a fact. but at the same time, we need to go forward and especially considering the economic ties that we have in these 2 countries. it's very clear that we have to go forward. but the fact of the matter is, is what the chinese high court did in 2018 is basically saying that the war time labor, for example, that order the japanese from to compensate. the koreans is basically breaking all the international laws. in other words, they're acting almost like a back street drug dealer who have absolutely no respect at all on international agreements. and my opinion is, what can the japanese government do under the situation or, or where you're seeing virtually no agreement. and the korean government often

taking the stands to utilize this as their political tool because obviously japan bashing is the easiest methodology of increasing popularity. so the fact of the matter is, is that it's very, very difficult enough for the japanese government to make any official, for example, apologies because they know that things only could get worse because they'll be taking advantage of a saw. forget that, you know, after the 2018 the soon by the supreme court in korea, japan direct investment into korea has declined by 41 percent 1st after 2019. but for the rest of the world as well, it's dropped by 40 percent as well. the reason is very obvious. nobody wants to have a deal with country that has absolutely no respect of agreement. now. ok, why we have to mingle these things together. the fact of the matter is, is that we have to go and forward. we have to separate these issues from the

emotional issues versus the economics and politics. okay, i want to pass, i have to say one could do you agree with that? well, we heard the expression being taken or then too, so for apologizing, but the comparison, any koreans who make between japan, which pennies, of course, germany, germany being a country, that committee war time crimes that are internationally recognized and continues to apologize for been year after year and they do not consider the fact that this may be something that maybe they could be taken advantage of ford. so if there's such an example, what stops japan from doing the same when it's clear, not just from the perspective of koreans but also from the international community . united nations included anyone activists in new york that the woman system was

criminal. so that is something to think about. at the same time, i believe the professor does re, for the important point. korea and japan signed an international agreement. they said this is final and irreversible. so is it possible for korea to say the view is not off? and in fact, they're question we've been, we've been korea as to whether this is possible. let's not forget that the president one james and his former foreign minister congo law. they never actually officially question the validity of the deal. but the government instead is to engage in actions that certainly jeopardize the deal. for example, closing the foundation that manages the 1000000000 compensation for that japan gate . and also they're trying to say that whatever money that have so far been dispersed from this compensation fund will be made up by the self clean government

. and the problem when we find a way to get that money back to japan, but certainly not. everybody believes that this is possible. crestmarc, what's your assessment in terms of what all of this is done to japan's relationship with, with south korea? well, it's just one of the factors which has seen the deterioration in relations over recent years. it's not just this issue, it's also the disputes over the territorial waters between japan and south korea, particularly the doctor islands is claimed by korean. the cache small islands is played by japan that's been occupied by south korea since the korean war and also other long running issues. the legacy of declaring new lira and done trade disputes in general. although ironically,

they are prospects for some improvements of since the beginning of this year, the us hip agreements, the original comprehensive, the caloric partnership. messy. the multi lateral tri deal has come into effect to linking china with the most of the other states in the asia pacific. and that includes a south korea and japan. so there is a prospect for some breakthrough in trade relations. but sir, really, it's gonna take some external effects, i think by allies of south korea and japan to try and get some mutual resolution, particularly the united states. as of course, the k l. i for both japan and south korea. but even other countries are including australia, which has a good trade in security relations with both countries. so were there's got to be a, quite a lot of a diplomatic effort required some from not just between south korea and japan,

but amongst it's a part is in the region to try and get some progress happening. okay, so did that to see that correct me if i'm wrong, but i believe that japan does not have a national human rights commission. what does that say to you about its willingness and ability to confront human rights abuses of the past? well, the fact of the matter is, is that we are quite behind in quite a lot of issues, including for example, you know, a single parenthood on the north korean japan is country that has that. unfortunately, there's a lot of vested interest involved in this country, like many other countries. and for that reason, there are many things that are quite behind, especially towards the international standards protecting areas of like top management. and that includes not only the corporations, but also the bureaucracy as well. so obviously there are many issues that are quite late. but if you're trying to take a picture that for example, or human rights, i would say, acknowledgement or awareness as well. that is certainly not the case. now to put an

analogy to this whole issue is quite simple. in my opinion. i think c one has been giving a very good example about in comparison with germany. but the fact of the matter is, and i grew them, but the fact of the matter is, is what happens to germany, how their attitude will change if, for example, poland or the netherlands or other countries that they've been, you know, basically invading during world war 2 including like countries, greek, greece, what is these countries have started to just basically shut down the factories of siemens or bush or whatever your mercedes or whatever, and tell them that they have to basically settle the payment which had been agreed you know, decades ago, the business will not go forward. and obviously the main factor of these 2 countries is coalition on the economic side, especially with the aggression that we're seeing from china. the fact of the matter

is that we do have to create a good coalition and there's a lot of things that these 2 countries can basically learn from each other and basically create a lot of synergism. but unfortunately, it's showing a negative centers in this point. and that basically comes from this, i would say a preoccupations and a lot of perception that has been created by the both parties. but i think particularly the, you know, korean politicians to the public of korea. so of course, there is a lot of talk about, obviously the agreements, the politics, what this is done to the economy, has there been a re victimization of these women who experienced these atrocities they've been protesting for 30 years? what are they saying now those that are left? what are they saying now about the impact that has on them? who are the ones who have experienced all of this? so as in the media, the aftermath of the 2015 agreement,

many of the survivors came forward saying that he cannot agree with this. and that the government has no right to decide what they should center for. but it's become increasingly difficult to really hear the voices of the survivors simply because many of them are no longer here. they had passed away. so in the absence of those voices, it's been quite, let's say cultural battling korea to determine just exactly how this comfort women legacy should be served. there has been a very important scandal in korea, in bold, being one of the figure heads of this movement. you will later ended up becoming a commercial representative, international assembly for the holding party. and she has been facing numerous obligations about embezzling funds that are meant to assist these survivors. and it certainly has discredited this campaign to a certain extent. and also there have been instances where certain other voices

about the comfort women legacy are being silenced. a good example is a book by a professor named hong yu hi. susan university. she wrote a book about the cumberland issue and she had different takes on the matter from what the mainstream historiography will call for. and for that reason the book has been censored and her career has been in trouble. and she's also facing various lawsuits. so it is a very difficult climate also in korea where different opinions can be expressed about the comp for women. precisely because comfort women themselves are not necessarily in a position to say what they really went through anymore. ok, we're coming to the end of the program. we've got about a minute left. craig, mark, about to end with you. how do you think this is going to play out this disagreement over the agreement, around comfort, women, and the legacy?

well, i don't think anything has any prospect of god moving ahead until at least after the elections for the south korean president, sergio in march. depending on who is the new president that might have the chance for a circuit breaker. and also after the up house elections in july, if mr. kisha performs well enough there, he'll be able to have a bit more political leeway domestically to possibly move ahead and try and resolve this issue. but there's probably not going to be any diplomatic movement ahead of those domestic elections. all right, thank you to all of our guests. say general. thank you. she to craig mark and say one coup. and thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com, and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. since facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story,

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