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world, most people in lebanon are paid in the local currency at the official exchange rate of $1500.00 to the u. s. dollar, but the prices of goods and commodities are based on a parallel market rate. that's now more than $30000.00 lire. there doesn't seem to be a clear way out of the crisis. the government hasn't convened in 3 months because a political infighting. all the while desperation among many is increasing in what was once a middle class country than for their elders either beirut. ah, it is good to have with us. hello, adrian. something in here and oh, how the headlines and al jazeera, a full assyrian colonel, has been jailed for life in germany for torture and murder during serious civil war . and while our slum as the 1st syrian state official to be convicted with such crimes, he moved to germany as an asylum seeker in 2014 brittany prince. andrew has been
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stripped of his military titles and can no longer call himself his royal highness, as he prepares to face a civil sex abuse trial in new york. queen elizabeth's 2nd son has been accused of sexual abuse by virginia. jeffrey, who says that she was traffic to have sex with him when she was 17 u. k roll commentator jenny bond explains the significance of 1st age development very much. what was doing here is the institution of monarchy acting quite quickly, quite ruthlessly. one might say, certainly, brutally to protect itself. the queen decided that enough was enough last few weeks, 8 months of being dominated by louis headlines about the duke of york, all the other work. the members of the royal family doing seems not to get her noticed. and it could not go on any longer. so she moved to protect the monarchy by doing something which is a hard journey mother to do, which is permanently sac and publicly humiliate her son. the u. s. supreme
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court has blocked a federal vaccine or testing mandate for large companies. the plan would have forced millions to get recovered 19 job or take regular tests. more than 100000000 cove at 19 vaccines were rejected by poor nations. in december, unicef says it's because the vaccines supplied through the kovacs program or close to their expiry dates. countries also been forced to delay getting more because they can't store them. california governor gavin newsome was denied parole to the man who was convicted of the assassination of u. s. presidential candidate robert kennedy. sir hanser hon. a palestinian refugee has been serving a life sentence for the 1968 killings. and those are the headlines here on out a 0 that he is continues out of these edition of inside story coming up next. ah,
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it's a meeting reminiscence of the cold war era, nato and russia. thompson, brussels with relation said to be at a critically low level. so exactly what does each site actually want? is an on conflict? now likely. what does diplomacy still have a chance? this is inside story. ah. hello and welcome to the program. i'm pete adobe. a high stakes meeting between russia and the north atlantic treaty organization, nato, over ukraine ended without a breakthrough. politicians and military men from both sides said significant
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differences remained during what they described as frank and open discussions. more talks are underway, but failing to reach an understanding means the risk of armed conflict in europe is very real. the u. s. and nato have been increasingly concerned about a russian military build up near the border with ukraine. the arrival of more than $100000.00 soldiers and tanks, artillery and long range, rocky units prompted fears about a ground invasion. the russian president vladimir putin has repeatedly denied that while also wanting nato, against expanding near its border. both nato and the u. s. rejected the kremlin demands on security among them a guarantee that nato will not accept crane and other former soviet nations as members. this crisis is a, is, is the making of russia on. therefore, this important debate deescalate the ukraine hoster ought to self defense of ducks
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and showing an u. m. a family shocker angle for so many dollars when they, they tell us, unless it'll help them to uphold a doctor, brought to, to self defense. to gather the united states and our nato allies made clear, we will not slam the door shut on nato's open door policy. a policy that has always been central to the nato alliance, a fresher walks away. however, it will be quite apparent. they were never serious about pursuing diplomacy at all . that is why collectively we are preparing for ever for every eventuality. russia's deputy foreign minister says nato's position is unacceptable for moscow not, but it was the that the bridget nato obs for the policy of deterring russia. we will respond with measures of contra deterrence. if it uses the policy of intimidation, we will respond with contra intimidation. if it looks for vulnerabilities in the
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russian defense system, we will look when nato's vulnerabilities. it's not our choice, but we don't have other options. if we don't overturn this current very dangerous course of events, attention that he needs so in moscow can be traced to the crimean peninsula where russia has one of his most important naval bases. in 2014 ukraine's pro russian government was toppled. following months of protests, russia responded by seizing control of crimea pro russian separatists then declared independence internet sc. and once, after a referendum was held that triggered the conflict between ukraine and the separatists. just might to cease by agreed uminski. sporadic fighting has never really stopped in 2016, nathan deployed battle groups to baltic states and poland in response to the annexation of crimea. the latest tension started last year when russia mobilized 100000 soldiers near its border with ukraine. ah, okay,
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there we are. here we go. let's bring in our guests joining us from brussels. we have theresa fallon, director of the center for russia, europe, asia studies in moscow. we have cobbled falcon how he's a defensive military analyst, and in also we have glen decent. he's a professor of international relations at the university of south eastern norway. welcome to you all teresa coming to you. first, is this a moment of truth in the relationship between russia and nato? i think there's a giant sigh of relief that meeting actually took place because russia, there were rumors that they might not even have the meeting with nato. if that meeting in geneva with the u. s. didn't go so well. so it's a promising sign that they actually had the meeting at the person. they've done it in 2 years. and the meeting lasted longer than anticipated by an extra hour. but there are 2 problems. now we have the problem. ukraine tend to, they're extremely high, and it's clear according to wendy sermon and her press conference yesterday, that nato is not willing to shut the door. they're going to maintain their open
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door policy and it's up to countries that they really want to apply to nato. this, they're leaving the door open and this is something that president putin has been clear that he was a treaty outlining that neither ukraine nor ga could ever join nato. so this is something, i don't know how they're going to get around. so this is kind of an intractable point right now, and many analysts have wondered, did put, make these mass melissa request to see how much he would get in return. so this is a, i wasn't clear about what prudent is doing. he has it, we have fallen if, if his demands include all, you are the country that join nato was $997.00 would have to leave. and so in many respects what he is doing by surrounding you came with a 100000 soldiers. some haven't seen that as black mel trying to get negotiations, but others in russell feel that finally were being heard. so it remains to be seen . but the other issue is that is putting miscalculating because in many respects he
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is creating a backlash. we've seen sweden and finland signal that they were instead of leaving nato, that right now that they're considering joining nato. so instead of decreasing the size of country, the amount of countries in mayo put in inadvertently is actually increased perhaps could be increasing the size of natal pavilion. how in moscow is there a chance that perhaps the feeling in the kremlin, i. e, mister putin settled position on this is, why should nato be allowed to cherry pick from our list of demands? well, that is the official position that russia has been telling before these meetings during these meetings. and also i agree after the meetings that the russian demands should be accepted or else. so now we're most likely moving into the or else the time frame. of course, today there's a meeting in the n,
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no c discussing the same thing in service. there won't be any breakthrough there because that's not the forum where you can achieve any kind of a compromise or agreement on anything much, at least not in one day or so to many nations. they are represented. you need you man in the name of the to get anything. so today, the russian main negotiator, that he, the foreign minister, simply adapt class said that may be re right now on the even planning. and the new meetings with america, or with mate or with the west, will be considering our counter measures which will be military or military technical in nature. that means russia will be planning military responses still of a year. oh, what i need, the rejection by the west of russian demands. aramco said, maybe we'll be deploy, rush military infrastructure to venezuela and cuba. what you said,
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that's kind of may be yes, maybe not as just sort of one of the options. okay, so right now russia, greece considering options on the military, technical response to indecent auth logan the u. s. for the united states, for mister blinkin, clearly the idea of either a bilateral, or a unilateral deal, self standing self supporting over ukraine was toxic. it was someplace the us didn't want to go, was that the best attitude and the best approach to have ahead of the nato meeting? i know, i think they do have to be some kind of flexibility because the reason why we have this is because we really need a solution to us. what is the european, secure job security architecture initially had a lot of deals on this topic. i mean, in the early ninety's, in 19909499 where it has all disagreements on your p and secure at the sides agreed
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on the principle of indivisible security. so one shot i did not expand the secure expense on the other one was blinking. it's reflecting this new argument by nato, which was a real principle of european security should be the rights of need to expand. and, and this is the main problem because these 2 principles harmonize. so this is kind of why we have this conflict. do us insist on the right to expand and insisted permit unable to expand more. so this idea that not giving an inch to russia is diplomatic, not to the russians did not really make much sense. but now, the only solution left without the diplomatic solution to this time is simply for russia to have to rely on the military to prevent further expansion and adjusting
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the final note. this is the elevate being made to any security agreements. this was also reflect that other experts are only the rush of funding is clearly the truth stipulates that neighbors should not put the troops in new members. however, now nato secretary general suggest that the natal can discriminate against new and old members. so effectively made to has all these new principles which allow it to actually abide by the european security agreements assigned on to in the past. so it's, it's, it's a stand off and i don't think blinking, no, yeah. was able to move this issue forward and anyway, theresa fallon, in brussels, when pavel in moscow talks about that mister putin considering his options. is this what we're seeing old putin or you can trust him to be a master of ambiguity if you will, doesn't send out mix signals, doesn't actually lie. but kind of messes with issues. changes is starns just ever so slightly. so even the big boys of nato and the big boys of european politics
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can't quite get a grip on where they think he might decide to go next. it's a brilliantly place because as we know, he was a judo master. and so he's always kind of moving around watching where the best weaknesses are and how can you leverage that to his advantage. so i think that that's a perfect example of how is approaching these, these talks with nato. and i think that 1st of all, they try to break european unanimity by demanding bilateral types of the united states. insinuating that the u. s. wouldn't talk to the european allies about european security. when do sherman has had over 100 debriefings before the nato meeting after the meeting with the russians about security in europe. so the europeans are happy. other nato members are happy. and so if you haven't had to make up for the deficit, for lack of trust in the trump administration. so i think that people almost go over breach, but i think that they had to do this in order to reassure them. and,
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you know, i think there's a dictators dilemma going on here because we put, and we know, it least even in the soviet union, you had to pull up your, you had other people making decisions. but we see that the negotiators must go back physically to moscow to get new instructions there. they don't have the ability to negotiate at all. so they're just given, you know, the, the red lines they put in and then they have to try to give these speaking points. so i think that this really hampers the russian position. and it also creates a lot of concern for countries in eastern europe because their demand they're asking now is, as you pointed out of jen silverberg, they're asking for reassurance because of russian aggression. and so they want troops there, they want more help. so i think that this he put in might have, you know, seriously miscalculated glen decent back in also the does this come down to the kremlin feeling threatened or feeling that it's increasingly large?
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sphere of influence is maybe coming on the threat, or do we have to go further back than that? because there was a point when the berlin wall was just about to fall. james baker, the then us secretary of state working for bush, the, the original george bush said to gorbachev. if you're okay with german unification, nito will not expand to the east. i promise you that fast forward to boris yeltsin as russian president, he had a conversation with the polish president like the answer. and like low answer says, oh, we're thinking about joining nato, boris yeltsin says, yes, absolutely. feel free. and if you look at the map of europe, that's why hitler invaded poland because it's only 60 clicks from berlin to the polish border. and then from poland, you just a straight line drive to ukraine. well, obviously russel feels very much betrayed from all the broken promises that nato would not expand. and again, it has been well documented. however,
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i think that some of the terminology is quite misleading for some idea that natal continues to just across wants to reassert its real plans, here implants, insurance, and exclusive. so on the influence, however, if you look in places like ukraine, keep in mind that ukraine and russia proposed to the 2013 that let, let's find a common try natural solution. ukraine. so divided, it will make it choose between you breaking the civil war. you have luckily know, and then supported the could there. and so again, in russia has no possibility any illusions about having exclusive influence in, in the ukraine. what they're trying to prevent is nato from asserting. it's their influence in ukraine. so russia is actually redefined, want to previously called in serious of influences, not referring to the stairs of interest. if nato is going to start operating on
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russian borders, it has to recognize that it also has security interest there. so moving, for example, nato into ukraine is russia. so i can't make this huge moves without consulting and russia. but obviously, a lot of the russia comes from the past. there's a certain similarity between them, the direction them that us, the nato, are moving, which should be a part not to germany. then obviously, all this rhetoric that nato, it's about, you know, only including and embracing countries wants to join it if i mentally, an alliance to contain russia and the 3rd tension on it in europe. so i so i did the final point to have to point out when natal offered and nato member 50, you creating only approximately 20 percent of your operation actually wanted. it was just that, it's not the nato that's pressure to take, you know,
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this congress wants to join it's, it's natural that's pushing for expansion. so again, that the retro, it gets very much skewed. ok. public health and how what happens if nature goes for the so called trip wire scenario which is and there are apparently, according to this vehicle to day. there are people high up in nature saying we should do this. we should build our military up in romania and bulgaria. how would that be perceived in the kremlin ball? not of course. good. there has been nato has plans to reinforce its eastern flank or eastern front. i don't know. i know where the troops, there's their standing plan of 30 plus 30 plus 30 plus $1330.00 days, 30 battalions. 3rd, the war ships and 30 squadrons of warplanes should be moved to poland, the baltics and to romania, and maybe bulkier though at present bulgaria,
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the defense master said about here is not we are interested in a stationing naked truth doesn't feel it so threaten doesn't have a connection really to even meet you, craig, not talk about russia, but there romania, poland. the baltic states lower gladly accept more troops. and if you begin moving troops, that's a very serious problem. because next to a take a lot of time to bring say, a tag division from texas to poland or is tony. our romania takes a lot of time and efforts along way by c, by land, for russia to move it's forces or from the whole good region, or he came from siberia do it's it's, it's much shorter. so there's going to could be a scramble. who deploy is 1st, that's how the 1st world war began. and troop movements began before even war is declared and anyone crosses the border. you already get into
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a slippery slope from which you can easily extract yourself or maybe not at all. okay, get into a spiral of an escalation. ok through the family just just to push this out because we are heading towards the end of the program, theresa fallon, in brussels. does mister putin want to kind of recreate the old ussr in his image? he's not growling at the politics because he can't, but if we examine what happened in georgia, 2008, the crimea 2014 to day in kazakhstan to day outside, just outside of ukraine. sounds looked like a sphere of influence. if it walks like a dark and talks like a duck, hello, it's a russian duck. we have to remember who put in is he's a soviet man, and he's 70 years old and he's looking at his legacy. and what is he going to be known for? so i think his dream is to kind of re animate is all kind of soviet idea and not
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the union, but to have this massive russia sphere influence. so his moves and cause like fun, played on television, all across russia. how great russia was, you know, helping their cousin friends and how strong and powerful they were. and i think that, that is with animating this and everyone here knows that you can cannot join the, you know, there is a frozen conflict, not so pros. and really in ukraine, so now i cannot accept any country that is in conflict. so neither georgia nor ukraine can possibly join nato who to knows this. and so others are concerned that what he fear is more because he knows he can't join nato with these frozen conflicts. but what he fears more is a democratic ukraine right on its border and that is deep down what he is very deeply concerned about. so i think that russia under 210, i mean the next generation will be very different leadership. so can, can we hold on how long is put in going to stay in power and you mentioned colleagues done. there's a really important lesson that put in took away from that another to another bio
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had kind of a semi retirement and that we keep him him and his family safe. but he's been removed from power. so put in took away from that that he can never retire. so he has to keep moving and keep going. it. and there are some, even in moscow talking about we have to inspire the imperial russian movement that will keep our country going. and i think that inside, basically there's a lot of economic issues. yes. to deal with that when decent in the next minute or so. not wishing to be too sensationalistic or, or to profit to do about the whole thing. is there a dynamic here that may be nature doesn't understand nato as a long timeline for these discussions. moscow has a short timeline, and if any one blows it at the talks, russia will invade ukraine. well, i don't think it will in it's out in the the claim to, sir. again, this misrepresentation here, i would define rush as a status quo power. when it intervened in george,
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i did not in there. the whole country has other expected these, all this amended existing position. it could have been made and you can easily 2014, you didn't it on the cemented it's existing conditional crimea, and you came from joining nato by, by supporting gun bus. it's it, again, nato is a, revisionist, an expansion is our and russia it's, it's simply pushing to hold the status quo. so i think the analysis is somewhat wrong, but you're right, i think. and then who is playing i time it's is dragging out negotiations trying to change reality is on the grounds. i think russia will seek more quick solution if it is not our alternatives. pebble, falcon her in moscow, the last word to you. if nato slash the u. s does not apply sanctions. is there a dynamic here that might play to nato's advantage, particularly with reference to ukraine? and as mister putin, mister putin does not have
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a good track record when it comes to split plate spinning different issues. so he's got his fingerprints on cassock start at the moment. he's got his fingerprints on ukraine. at the moment. he's got his fingerprints on the relationship with nato at the moment. he doesn't have form when it comes to being able to handle more than one big issue at a time. brushing resources or, or swimming did crush is not the soviet union. and they're right now, russian troops rational withdrawing from casa, they demonstrated their, the very heightened state of a work that they are in. but they were rushed. don't, hasn't i have enough troops and passport brains and now they're moving swiftly out . maybe concentrating for a pass, a bow, a grass as the may happened in the west. it's not only ukraine that may be other things. russia made the poor new miss isles. no longer medium range missiles in a forward positions in crimea in coming in grad may be in bow a rose to can to give in european countries
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a sense of threat that the russia could been a dead tree for concessions. so in mom i'm afraid we, as we're moving into a situation where the tensions in europe are going to grow, it could be a conflict escalation, ukraine, that could be escalations, another parts of the overall western russian divide. okay, very last word to you to raise it in brussels. 30 seconds that sold you got where we are at the moment. seems to be between nato and russia. let's agree to disagree . so it's a pretty low bar, but how do they both build on that? assuming that both of them both sides, russia and nato actually want peace in europe, they don't want to conflict. i think that they didn't reach out in olive branch to rush in stating that they discussed missile. i think that that's a very key area and i and the russians seem interested in discussing that. so i think that that's an area that they can build on. so discussing bissell,
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and i think that also they should try to put time into those because it's in russians, interest. do china is that involved in any sort of missile discussions? so that could be a win or the world. so i think that this may open up a new chapter in co operation. ok, we have to leave it there. thank you to i guess they were theresa fallon, pavel falcon, howard, and glen decent and thank you to for watching. you can see the show again. any time via the website, i'll just, you know, dot com. and for further discussion to go to our facebook page, not facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter handle as ever at ha, inside story from me to the family entire team here in doha. thanks for watching. we will see you at the usual time tomorrow for the moment. ah
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