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launched the country's 1st ever national security policy. it seems to shift the focus away from the military to what you might call a citizen centric framework. and it aims to have economic security as its core. m ranken says pakistan has been in dire need of a strategy that ensures the protection of its people and guards economic interests . opposition parties have criticize the government for not taking the input into account. when formulating the policy will begin our main discussion in a moment. first, let's take a closer look at the economic challenges that lie ahead. pakistan has top the list of 10 countries with the highest external debt. rising unemployment and poverty. and the pandemic has exacerbated that pushing the nation's poverty levels to nearly 40 percent. the government is struggling with inflation. in october, the pakistani repeat dropped to a record low against the us dollar. the country has also been facing skyrocketing

prices of essential commodities, oil, gas, and wheat. and pakistan is also grappling with the economic fall out from the volatility across the border in afghanistan, after the taliban took over last year. ah, 1st, joining us from the law is marie to yourself national security advisor to him rank on the pakistani prime minister. mister joseph, welcome to inside story. looking at the non redacted 50 page published version, the abridged version of this new policy. big on large, sweeping ideas, very, very short on detail. how do you make it work? thank you. first of all, let's understand that that would be good ideas or sleeping ideas as you call them. or you're not going to have the direction. we've had multiple multiple policies like any other country, but we were missing an umbrella which us, which told our citizens unrestored. busy the one,

but just on the statement of intent for excel, that's what the, the bridge version that you have. it tells you that this is a country that wants to move, to have beach in the region. it country that's focused on economic security on g o economics. in dunden with us strategy. looking at one, bought the ships looking at using its location of the crossroads of south asia, central asia, west asia for connectivity. that's the future where buckets on wants to go. now when you talk about what you want to do to get there, there's a whole menu of things specific things that, of course, are not going to be in the public document which will be worked on onset guidelines to take the direction that, that we've laid out but this is not a policy that says that we got to do one box of national security ahead of the other issue for buckets on is on national resource by is not large enough to get

to adequately to our people. we are the 5th largest country, the 220000000 people, so that regional spy has to increase to better economic performance, to better exports to the foreign direct investment and emmett and you've got to work out that extend by the spot and then we can redistribute much more to our human benefit and to traditional and military security. so this is, this is going forward if i'm ship not moving from one to another, but getting everything in line so that everybody gets all, all the machine to interrupt for a 2nd please. why not? if it's a paradigm shift, i do it only in english because both documents are composed, written in english. why not do in her do the language of your country because the stakeholders and all this, just let me finish the stakeholders and all this are the people of pakistan and why keep so much of it secret? just publish the whole thing so everyone can get involved in this conversation. so

1st of all, are you absolutely right, and the summary document is already being translated into, into the end. the larger document is also the interested and will be out because that's exactly what we want. we want it to be in the country with one intellectual input we. we want critique. so that is happening as far as why not lay out everything, no country does it, and there are strategies that upward out modern document of this nature, of course, because they can be interpreted and misinterpreted. and then it's national security policy. the, there are certain things that actually are never mean modeling, but we haven't put out a pony of nobody's be put out a 5060 page document which lays out very clearly the directional where pakistan is going. and each sentence in each section, if you read it, you will know that if you, what policy actions are beneath those, that's exactly how policies are implemented. ok, that part of was, is, will remain classified your short published at the moment version talks about a civil slash military consensus. so you, if you want to,

you want to get people to hang on to that word there's, there's a broad consensus here, i guess. but the consensus didn't include the opposition politicians in the parliament in islamabad. this sounds like a root and branch. reinvention of the country post. that's called it what it is post partition going back to 1947. this is like him, ranken is saying, i want to take the country to its next iteration. it's next version. what the country will become in a generation or 2 generations. how can you say you've got a consensus if the opposition politicians are not involved in this? that don't make any sense. first of all, policy making involves not only the government, not only civil military provinces, but this is the federal structure in terms of governance. not all problems is either the word by the party in the center. in addition, the parliament has a committee or national security where such man does this policy mistaken,

that we made a presentation and everybody was that gave input. so it is not connect. i think that information is wrong. other than that politics is politics. i don't belong to that world the. let's see what it says. this is a document that know about this. i mean, what i can get into you when you go back on the other, not too big elephant in the room that the document that i've read today seems discuss around. it's the taliban having taken over afghanistan. your country shares a border, quite a porous border in some areas of 2640 kilometers between pakistan, afghanistan, and that's elephant number one. elephant number 2 is kashmir. and until you resolve or work with those 2 big issues and get them both moving in the right direction, this idea of reinventing the country direction of travel is a non starter until you work through those issues, not skirt around them. i'm not sure i've respected them on of understand the other

thing in the room is not the fun coming in or not the elephant in the room if you want to call it that is lack of stability enough and stuff. and that's why it's very clearly stated that even in the public document, but at all costs like a son needs and wants an upfront a stable. that's my think. yeah. but also attend the problem. i mean, we've been going around to everybody in the world and saying, make sure we right enough to systems to average up that the country doesn't collapse because it will collapse it back and try to get to refugees. that there is a problem. we don't get connected with the need for i cannot grow to central asia cetera. so there's no getting around that. we need that and we will work for that and do whatever we get. and we will work into that. i think by becoming a partner that is concerned, i think it's fairly clearly. unfortunately it takes 2 to tango and in that case, are you still flying right now? is exhibiting a behavior in terms of an indian government bad?

i don't need to say much. all of the western press release and press is coming it every day. the way that approaching this extreme attended by what they're doing with minorities, they believe that nobody else in the region possibly has the right to exist. they picked up a fight with china. they mentioned with everybody is jaundiced right now it can be that the entire region has gone bonkers. the problem is that you've got a fascist, and unfortunately the wireless load decided because the thing is going to become a counter with, you know, whatever. but it is the only counter this countries bank is under and said it's very unfortunate. it's the largest country in south asia, but i see very, very bad times going ahead for india. now that is the case. there is no logic that can be applied. i mean it's, it's not a d, i d ology. if you see, if i'm going to put you there and say thank you very much, but we have nobody from the indian government directly to receive on to what you've

just said. thank you so much for joining us for a little more use if there are an advisor to a pakistani prime minister emron can. okay, let's go to our guests. joining us from islamabad, cheryl as parisha defense and strategy analyst and in law, we have robert actor, the director for security strategy and policy research at the university of la hor to both of you. a warm welcome to inside story at sure as coming to 1st you are listening there to my conversation with mr. yusef in law. on the one hand, it's touchy feely international diplomacy, but he wrapped up the conversation by describing the indian government as a fascist state. yes, this is a indeed it problem with pakistan serve, you know, the relationship, it's perception of india and then pakistani, you know, the many of them in pakistan, establishment military people in politics. they proudly say we are india centric and in their bay. enmity with india is celebrated in pakistan and it's happening

for the last 70 years since 1948. we are stuck in, in a situation with this mindset that india is seen as an enemy and we want to wipe up india from the world map and india lars, to why above or describe pakistan. unless this mindset, this narrative changes, i don't think in real meaningful change will occur in this policy, which they are, you know, spinning and saying, and promoting as the 1st ever national policy. it could have been a, you know, meaningful, real meaningful if pakistan would say that india is other ragwall in a very, you know, in a healthy way level could be, you know, in economics, in trade, in different, not, not an enemy which we aim to destroy. and the enemy wants to destroyers. so this is

the problem, robert in law, these broad brush strokes of intent. sound fantastic. they look really good on paper. the reality is, is going to cost and cost. a lot of money. pakistan already has record levels of external borrowing. where does the money or the economy come from to generate the cash to pay for all this? to just do i, you know, contextualize this. i do foresee this national security policy as a paradigm shared because it was me as a citizen of pakistan, an individual at the heart of it. but while it does that, it does not take anything away from the traditional threads that are facing pakistan. and india is one of them. as my fellow panelists said that these threats by india are celebrated in pakistan. i don't think they are celebrated. i don't

think anybody in pakistan wants war with india because firstly, like you mentioned and reported the figures, we don't have the money to fight a war. we don't have money to sustain a war. we have bailey have money to, you know, modernize our conventional military and nuclear modernization eyes, you know, india continues to modernize so right now yes, i don't think pakistan has the kind of money rather than external dag that's reaching $127000000000.00 plus the only hope is that pakistan g d, p growth is projected to dodge 40 or high or 5 percent in the fiscal year, which ends and june 2022. but at the same time, the reality in bog on is that there is heightened inflation. there is a balance of payment crisis, which is dependent on external that bailouts, if, if pakistan wants to stay afloat. and so from my understanding is that if pakistan

re prioritizes piece, economic security puts human security at the heart of it, then the broader piece of the national economy by doctor leave use of was talking about. that's the only way by august, none can re direct its resources if it continuously lives in an environment of geopolitical geostrategic environment, which forces it, ah, you know, to have a border which is hostile on the eastern side. and then also a western border ridge is unstable. and tre, drive, it will never be able to focus energy, read the objectives, that this enters, be focuses on. sure. as for russia, in atlanta over there, clearly the strategic balance, that's the catch all phrase that this new document uses. the strategic balance has been out of kilter. it hasn't mashed properly in so many areas, be it exports not matching, imports be it the way the country spends too much money on defense because the

country's existence is being, i guess, is a function of feeling constantly under threat. how do they re balance that strategy? how do they spin all these plates into a state of equilibrium? the thing is, i'm and my, you this sir, this feeling of insecurity is a kind of, i believe it's an orchestrated, it's a, it's, it's not a real threat in them in the meanings afy but bug is. fanny's are tor, the public historian here for the last 70 years that we are a security stayed because we are under some once particularly india was the destroyers i am. i am of the view that india is not in the interest of india to destroy pakistan. yes. india may want to keep focused on weaker. they want may be low, intensity. the instability in pakistan would be in their interest, but whitening of pakistan are destroyed. pakistan is not in the interest of india

any of the countries unbiased on the waters. so 1st of all, we need to look into, you know, some, we need to do some soul searching. and when we are saying this is the 1st to ever the national security policy, i would like to see that kind of, you know, critical thinking in such policies that yes, these, what are your, are we need to review? our policies are our thinking or why and say, and our strategy a my colleague phillip league here analysis. she is right by august on can not afford. if it was about your son cannot afford consultation. we need to reduce our defense expenses. we knew to bring in all the structural changes to our defense and security forces in this document base. they talk about cyber war. they talk about electronic while they're talk about, you know, hybrid war. and they want to allocate more, you know, resources to do those new areas of defense. but at the same time,

they want to keep the traditional spending. so if in this national security document that they would like it, we might talk about think about that using the number of personnel and now the, the in the s g. so you know why not that are? that's why i think just let me push it. sure. i just just the next couple of minutes at robbie act are in law when they talk about a civil military consensus. is that clever diplomatic speak for? we have spoken to the military and we have reassured them. look, it's okay because the military and pakistan never really goes away. i mean, it was the military pakistan that gave us perverse and sheriff, you know, he started the job wearing a military uniform and then he did the classic thing. he flipped over to wearing a color and tie. if you're my age, i remember covering the story when the military was literally scaling the walls of the presidential palace. you're rain,

but military never goes away in any country. so this is vargas i was speaking, so it's exceptional in that case, given its history, ah, you know, when we need it is a civil military consensus on this national security policy. it just probably is your thought. so is that listen, we're talking about economic security, then this economic security is not going to gun and the cost of state or get a total security alike barrage, a sub sand are, is a, is a section in this national security policy which talks about conventional threats. and this is perhaps the last time they bark his son and his national security doc in the end has talked about 5 domains of warfare. their doors are going to be fight . and in addition to lang air and see there is a domain of cyber and space added to it. bag as on is talking about increase capabilities in network center. city badges, the la van as electronic walk,

everybody's and other force multiplies their pakistan. we'll have to look at so, so this is not only only can i make security paradigm in which as devoid or the was from the state security ah paradigm sheriff for russia in islam above this there's something almost completely unique about your country. and it's the way that the p has got to be invested in what imran con says he now wants to achieve. they have lived with for 2 or 3 generations now, both internal and external threats. that is pretty unique not only in the region but in the world so that there is a paradox there. that here we have a pakistani prime minister, setting himself up and saying, i'm the guy to deal with internal threats and external threats as well. when we talk about kashmir, when we talk about afghanistan, we talk about the afghan taliban and also the pakistani taliban as well. i think you're right when you say about the pakistan is unique by the sun is unique.

because the a saw go, credits are mostly perceived to people behind the closed doors. they sit down and they decide, and they think that we have this 3rd and they then they come out on in the public. and then they lecture the public that we have these threats a lot existed. but in, in, in, in, in reality, the state of pakistan never consulted the actual, the real, the true stakeholders, the owners of pakistan, the people of pakistan, even in this document. which is, you know, it is presented as one as the fust evans policy. we are the stake. where is the input of pakistani people we're, you know, a position the civil society. and they just said this is, this is a civil military. you know, we talk about civil military balance, but well,

there are the civilians. so in fact the, in the sacrament they say about national cohesion collisions means the do you want to bring it by force? do you want to bring it to impose it upon the people in the national identity, national position? it, it comes when you engage with people. it comes when you decentralize and evolve power in pakistan. we the have been focusing on centralizing the state and the strong center of a strong military and protect pakistan. that model has for you. okay, we are be either on the mentors to come back for a 2nd please. sure, us with that idea of imposition in mind. robert, i've dug out a quote from bernezi abuto, which i think she, she said this on american television, not long before she was assassinated. people left in pakistan. they are left in pakistan with the remnants of the soviet afghan or trained militants,

drug matthews, arms smuggling and religious zealots, even if she was only half right when she says that doesn't that mean that what's gone before and what may come in the future? because imran corners are here today, gone to laura politician. doesn't that mean that this document they've now come up with has to be a living document? it will have to change because in a year or 2 or 10, the 3 of us could be having another conversation rubber about the new prime minister, or the new president or the new military who's taken over? absolutely, peter. but before i answer this question, i like to say that the threads focused on faces pertaining to the bombing b. my share, some is not just of the see thread when the indian defense minister comes out and talks about changing the and a few satyrs and taking over educate by force. there is some reality to it. so it's not all in the head. it's not a ghost that's been made up by somebody coming to your question. i'm in the court

that you quoted from there you go to. i think she was absolutely right. or in the past 20 years, you know, we have suffered, we have lost $70000.00 plus lives and we have lost $78000000.00 worth of economic worth in these years. that's the price. my son has paid when my prime minister, i'm just talking here as an individual, as a citizen, when he comes out. and he says that this policy is about securing me as an individual, as a citizen of pakistan. whether it is about securing my constitutional privileges, or is it about protecting me from all forms of extremism, crime, terrorism violence, including war and gender based violence, which by the way, has made its way into this and a speech for the 1st time in the history of boxes done, then i will have hope a barrett, this is a comprehensive approach which is which had been missing previously. so this n s b is talking about the rule of law and it's be talking about responsive justice

. it's talking about making it of august and it's a lead, and it's really people don't take money out of the country and invested in the countries and banks abroad, but rather meet august on a priority investment bank is done and make this a place. we're investing in, so what's not to be hopeful about this is about to see which is from 2020 to 2026. it's only a 40 is time frame. no, nor want to see can achieve this objective in this point in time. this is also, i would like to see, i don't see this as i'm able to go. i don't see this as b t. i want to see like dog. and we'll use a said in his opening statement that this show an outlet and the prime minister in barcas time because of his comprehensive nature. and anybody should have no objection, rather you should add more to it. there is nothing in it that you would like to take out and say no because this government presented it. we don't agree with it.

ok, i rabbit, i'm going to have to stop you there. otherwise we're going to completely run out of time. thank you both. so much they were our guests today, sharon bratia and robbie an actor and thank you to for watching. you can see the show again with the website alpha 0 dot com. and you can also talk to us via facebook. facebook dot com forward slash ha insights story. you can also get more on the conversation on our twitter handle at ha, inside story from me, peter toby and the team here and go off. thanks for watching. we'll see you soon. bye bye. the viruses indiscriminate, yet those living in poverty are far more vulnerable to the dangers of coven 19 ollie re examines the reasons for this disparity. the social and economic inequality that surround us. how much, much more problematic and lethal a dos where the lessons learned from the global pandemic could lead to positive change for the kids all hail to lock down, expose

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