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ah, i am some. yeah. okay. you'll watching the stream on today's episode, we think came presence that purpose an impact on the incarcerated. is it possible to have more humane presence? pat galaxy gets that conversation started. i think one of the biggest misconceptions about kristen is that we are harsh enough and that we need to be tougher with conditions longest sentences. and that this will encourage people to not want to commit crime by history has shown us time and time again. this approach just doesn't work. and if we look at the countries who have the toughest systems i

use and have the highest recidivism rate, they have the highest def phrase. because when we trade in people badly and given them not access to the tools they need through education technology, good health care. when not enabling them to want to become better members of the community for when they are released. and why we're teaching people how to survive in prison. we simultaneously teach them how to fall in society. all right, let's wait, i guess. hello frick, c. m pierre and plays i had good to have you on the stream and get your you to introduce yourself, global audience. tell them what your connection is to prison fritzy you start. hi, thank you for having me on the show. my name is fritzy horseman, i'm the founder and executive director of the compassion prison project. and our mission is to create trauma, inform prisons and communities in the united states and throughout the world. pia

fit to have him please introduce yourself to the stream audience. yeah. hello everyone. my name's b a book and from finland and forensic psychologist and psychotherapist. and i used to work 10 years as a prison psychologist. and now i work as a project manager in the central administration of our present system in our project called smart present project. thank you so much looking forward to hearing more about that and then hello teresa. good to see you. please introduce yourself to our global audience. thank you very much and hello everyone. my name is to refund your real gave from kenya. i'm the founder and ceo of a special enterprise called clean sat. we walk to empower to open dignity to in prison and put money in pregnant women and children. all right, just met the guess. and if you're watching right now you're on youtube, you could be part of the conversation as well. speak to, i guess. suppose your question or your comment to be part of today's show. i want

to start with teresa and, and get this thought about your concept of what a prison is bad to do. then takes us along to them. what shall prison culture be like to raise a you have an inside view because of an unfortunate incident that happened to you. that meant that you experience present in kenya. tell us more. and what did you say? very, in your main condition, lack of dignity. it tears you a pot. i remember the day i left prison, i was relieved and i was happy that i was leaving that crash environment. that was very difficult for my daughter and i. but the truth of the matter that very soon, i realized that the happiness and the relief faded away. but that years then mon of trauma continued post imprisonment. the prison crash if you,

it's like long trauma and it just a human i did you. so i'm going to say site away before i would, it starts commenting. the view was putting to prison for a misunderstanding. it took you a long time to play your name. but while you were trying to play your name, you experienced the prison culture in kenya up, let me just bring him fritzy here. certainly in the united states, there's of a punitive idea of what prison is that to do for it. see why do you disagree with that? the people who are coming to prison who have committed crimes or maybe innocent, most of them have had incredible trauma growing up growing poverty, growing in violent neighborhoods, growing with parents that are so stressed out that are taking out their frustrations out on their children. and when you're a traumatized child, it's very difficult to learn to be social to function in the world. and sometimes the, your only options are eventually is to commit

a crime. and so when they go into prison, they are treated similarly as they were when they were children in their neighborhoods, in their schools and by their parents. and so instead of rehabilitating them, they are subjected to more trauma and more adversity. and then they're not allowed to heal from what got them there in the 1st place. hey, i want to say this headlight. it makes me smile with a some real trick behind it. open prisons in finland are like a holiday camp, but they seem to work. what is holiday camp like with the prisoners that you've, what tempe, why would people say that and, and why does finland have a different approach to incarcerating prisoners? a. so in sin and we have sort of bulls are close to prisons and the so called open prisms. so the idea is that once the prisoner has been in the close prison and has gotten rehabilitation, ah, he or she is ready to inter mall open prison environment. and it's very important

to go in this way, step by step closer to the norm of society, to the practices and activities of the normal society. so in open prison, prisoners can study and work outside of the prison and they come back to the prison at then in the evening. so, but during the day time, they are supposed to participate in activities outside the prison, the i'm, i'm going to give, outweigh, as an example of what that looks like. so this video comes from finance, criminal sanctions agency. and what you see here is a prison has an appointment at i see no boss let's, let's play the video because, you know, i want to see it. so this, this is somebody who's incarcerated. and in his day he has an appointment. he gets out and about he's not wearing a prison uniform. he has his appointment and then he gets himself back to prison at the end of the day p. how does this what? because why wouldn't he just go ok,

bye. not going back to prison today. i think our model worked, so re will and we are internationally known that our, our system works well. and old studies show that the punitive approach is not working. so our model at ease made to re, to really reduce recidivism and have prisoners re integrate back to the society. and i think we are succeeding. i want to land on this idea of trauma fritzy because this is something that is really important for the compassion, prison project. and, and there's a really important film cold step in sight. the circle that has been seen so many times. it resonates with educational um facilities with a prism facilities tell us a little bit about the film because i'm going to show a clip where the incarcerated people that you're talking to, a stepping inside

a circle. so just set up, what are we about to say? and why we're about to see $235.00 men step inside the circle for each traumatic event that they experienced in their childhood, from violence in the home to sexual abuse, to physical abuse. emotional abuse and parents are caregivers, addicted to drugs or alcohol traumatic brain injury, which isn't on the original adverse childhood experiences quiz. but it's, it's one of the keys about up to 80 percent of the people in prison have traumatic brain injury. damage to your prefrontal cortex, which is where all these decisions, these great decisions, ability to learn, negotiate follow instructions, reside. but if you're not in your prefrontal cortex, if you're in survival, you're not able to make these decisions comply with orders. so when you see this circle, you'll see people stepping in for what happened to them when they were children and where always, just one last thing. well we and then i'll row the video. where are we

yet the name of the prison? i'm so sorry. it's in lancaster prison in california. it's also called los angeles community visit los angeles county prison. all right, let's take a look while you are growing up during your 1st 18 years of. 2 life yes, a parent or other adult in the household often or very often would swear to insult you. put you down or humiliate you, step inside the circle as a parent or other adult in the household often or very often push to grab, slapped or through something at you. step inside the circle. imprison you're not supposed to show you, we use imprison them. what to do to want to do good to walk in their circle like

and take each that one was a reminder to ourselves that we still haven't humanity and we weren't to be loved on most people now. sorry, i don't understand it. we want to change. so we can really hear society better than what we learn for, see how just listened to those incarcerated men. help us understand a different kind of prison system. they need help. they need help. daniel, who was talking right there, he went through unimaginable circumstances, both before he got to prison. and while he was in prison from being abused by, as in foster care, being sexually assaulted and hidden bite with 2 by fours in his head. this man is such a glorious man, but he's had so much to overcome that the odds were stacked against him and the odds are stacked against most of the people in prison. and when we shift from

annihilation and dehumanization to compassion and safety, making, the men feel safety and the women feel safe so that they can get back to their cortex. we're going to change the prison system. i paused on my laptop when i had told it teresa did, it's called what i learned serving time for crime. i didn't commit teresa. what is this thing? what are we seeing here? women in one of the largest correctional facility here in kenya, coming together in. so who'd in don, because this is how they come alive. this is how they remind of themselves of the good times before they got locked clean and trying to make some, you know, meaning out of the hash conditions that they have to endure while they're feeling prism. so when you got out of prison, you vowed to help women children also who are sometimes put into prison as well

because mothers are, we are imprison, help them survive that experience and then move on. where would you thought in terms of improving the situation that they ended up and when they were incarcerated? how do you rethink the prison sent system in tenure? 90 percent of people in prison will definitely be released to come back into the fact and reign to great and continue with their lives and dissolving over a 2nd chance in a country where poverty very rates are very high. you know, we do not have enough economy, corporate unity, income generating opportunities are very difficult to come by. opportunities that difficult to come by and pick my very high for people who are coming out of prison . so it's really difficult to try and get 2nd chances for women and children who are rebuilding the light post imprisonment for a lot of walk,

advocating and asking the culprit was fund believe faith based organizations in the community at large can break those who are coming out of prison, and i must say that in a country where we've criminalized property, because that's exactly what we've done. it's the law, it's a bond rebel, it's the marginalized and a very weak amongst asking for fact, who end up in presence in kenya, you will not find those who i reach and of mean in prison. in a country where we've criminalized property, we really need to do the decrease, we're like human pain. you know, i'm investing people and not concrete on because we're really pushing them farther down by sending them to prison, protect your friends. and we're really looking at the, classifying, the expect your faces so that, you know,

we can give better opportunity and look at better ways of roving fresh economic issues. because we're trying to resolve the issues it through pre on. and you know, we cannot to present to relieve the responsibility of a culture liquid nomic need a present or not. for that reason, i'm meant to keep the contract and faith, you know. but when we're taking the poor and the week, i'd like to say that we cannot direct, prosecute, convict any prison our way out of partially shoot. i have so many questions, so you can see you go 1st and i'm going to show these questions as so stop by get to the questions pretty, go ahead. i just want to say that gandhi said, violence is the worst, is a poverty is the worst form of violence. and that's what we're dealing with here. the people in prison, 85 percent of the people in prison, can't afford

a lawyer. they, when they're, when they're at trial, what makes you think they can afford anything in prison, much less expensive phone calls and commissary that's overpriced. and so what we're doing is we're taxing the poor. we're punishing the poor for not being able to afford a lawyer. and that's one of the injustices that starts at the beginning and, but i have to say the criminal justice system and the retribution that happens in our society is based on fight or flight when you're, when something is wrong, we want to, we want to react in and fight back, but we're not in our cortex. we're not here. we're good decisions are made. so we need to take a deep breath. and instead of saying what's wrong with you to the incarcerated, say what happened to you, and then you'll find out it's a lifetime of trauma and that this trauma needs to be healed. here i have some lots of curiosity and questions about what's happening in finland. mark see little says scandinavian countries don't seem to be full of prisons packed to the brim for

that's an observation. while not yet, there's punishment and there's being cruel to people. so he sees that there's a lack of cruelty in the way that you incarcerate people peer your thoughts. yeah, i think we are, are quite far in developing these rehabilitative prison system. so prisoners are provided quite a lot rehabilitative services during prison time. and we are also interested in the so called trauma informed approach in our present practice. so we very well, no, the prisoners have very traumatic. i crowns. the latest project i had was actually in a women's prison and i know that women inmates even more than men have very traumatic backgrounds. there's a lot of abuse, sexual abuse, and we really have to try to provide them

a secure environment during prison time. so that they could heal from their past experiences and the criminal lifestyle in itself is also very traumatic, abusive, very high stress life. so it, it just repeats trauma and prison is not supposed to repeat trauma. ah, that, that is, that is what i think. and a respect or a humane way is part of all staff's approach to our prisoners, including prison officers. so or stanley is supposed to participate in the rehabilitative work. so i'm getting some pushback here, i guess, to your humane approach to prisons. so another, an earlier comment, send them to do hard labor in siberia, another youtube comment right here may prisons are changing environment. so people

don't want to go there. i am wondering pierre, of with this a humane approach to prison in finland. what does the public think? what about victims? oh, of course there's a lot of opinions about our system to an o. so inside of our society, but i want to say that or research or says that de punitive approach doesn't work. or it just skip mathias prisoners more and it will increase their recidivism. their risk of proceed division. ah, if you have that kind of a prism system. so also from the point of view of victims, i think it's important that offenders are treated in a humane way. that means that they have to possibility during decrease and time to take responsibility for what hit what they had done faced the reality faced the

reality of their behavior. but all this can be done in a therapist therapeutic way, i think. so it's not about punishment. it's about making people understand and given them the opportunity to change so that there won't be more victims of i just want to show some pictures that you sent us earlier. peer and, and it's a hospital room. it's not here on my laptop. i'm going to show you the pictures their own video, and it's a, a room or like a dorm room. and it looks like you're at university of there's lots of nice knickknacks around. can we play that video? let's play it right now. at those 2 pictures back to back because it's very different. no, not these to really get there. eventually. it's the one where you can see the plugs in the war. it's a smart, it's a smart, i'm known as a smart prison. and he said very different. it's a very different look to the look that i'm going to show here, which is the prison museum. it's he or my laptop is,

is the prison museum in finland, which looks very much like some prisons in the united states. away you are, i've had stuff been a prison cell. you're locked in for many hours of the day. i'm going to go back to cheap because i was a question for you to right. i'm going to asking to, to ask that question. and the question is about from and jayden, he's in south c died and he wants to know what about people being traumatized in prison? how do you get them back to being andrews? what? no more. again, tracy, help us out with that one. i'm not saying that it's in her pe, you start then to raise you pick up because it was because i'm just not south. see dan. so i know that teresa knows what, what facilities are available in south to down to help people get back out of their prison situation. so let me start with teresa. go ahead, teresa. ok. it,

you know, it as, as you had from my co plan to me what it, you know, when i compare the kind of problems with being in finland for example, and what we have in kenya. and that's not very different from what we have in foutz . daniel, other african country the, you know, most of the african prison i deal with chronic and our funding all. and we currently kind of funding been that green of a crowding. what condition for those who are imprisoned, lack of basic me and definitely very know we have been a program and i do agree that few need doesn't want because the more you punish people, the more they repel and rebel from, from the, from the rehabilitation that you're trying to, to, to, to get them. and then of course, mixing the enough and, and the guilty, you know,

the, you know, and then come out hadn't, and the loan, the outside is really, really high. and so, and then as i said in the very beginning that trauma continued, years gone, post imprisonment. so what we doing is we really try to you we've got an amazing program called that was for naught program, which is that healing program where the women come in tackle, which you call suckers, of healing. and they've got to shad genuinely ok. the hot said the pain and the really help them healed through the process. i've got one more thought fritzy. i want you to respond to this video. this is adam chon, he was formerly incarcerated in san quentin. he makes this point and then react immediately off the back of it. incarceration not only fails to address the root causes of violence, but in fact, reproduces and concentrates the conditions that create violence. and so it's futile

to think that we can somehow incarcerate people humanely when incarceration is inherently violent and traumatic practice. prisoners were originally created as a humane alternative to corporal punishment and torture. but since then, progressive projects have only serve to expand the prison system. the quest for a humane prison makes no sense. absolutely, a humane prison makes no sense. the thing is we have to stop the bleeding. we have to stop. we have to stop. what's happening right now. prisons are military installations. they're basically war zones. and if the incarcerated people are treated as the enemy and the officers that we, we have to also think about the officers. the life expectancy of an officer is 59

years old. what's happening to their lives, to their families lives, to their communities? lives? prisons are destructive for everyone involved and they're condone by the state is condone by the federal government and, but it's an old pattern and i really don't think we have anyone to blame, but we can, we have to make new decisions now, but he's absolutely right. the way prisons are right now, they're destructive, but we have to bring as much help as we can while we figure out what, what can replace the prisons the way they are now? i. so our audience, who's watching right now and you to i said they ought to evaluate between push and should be punitive. because in shippy more humane, you have one sentence to persuade them. go ahead in one sentence would need to decriminalize human pains invest more in people in notting prison. thank you so much. teresa. p at fred, safely part of today's show. and thanks for your youtube comments as well as the

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