is interesting because it opens up the access more, whereas if it was in person, it would have been a few slack screenings with so i'm hoping that you know more people will see it. the sundance festival will announce its prize winning films virtually on january 28th, rob reynolds al jazeera, long beach, california. ah, logan. i'm fully battle with the headlines on al jazeera, more than 80 people, including children have been killed in 2 airstrikes in yemen. the u. n. has condemned the latest sacked by the sandy led coalition and has called on all sides in the conflict to begin dialogue. no, any bombardment or their target civilians on the or that is not careful enough to protect civilians is of course, also an acceptable. but what we need is to stop these rushes circle in which seeing

skipped escalating one after the other. what we need are used to her, as we have been proposing from long ago a ceasefire together with the opening of harbor airports. and then the beginning of a serious dialogue among the parties. these escalation needs to stop. the us and russia have held what they say are frank talks, as they try to resolve their standoff over ukraine. our school is taking to demand that nato should not let ukraine join the alliance, but that's been rejected by the u. s. and its european allies and explosion in western ghana has came at least 13 people and reduced the mining town to rabble. it happened when a truck carrying explosives collided with a motor bike in the town of patty. in the u. s. anti abortion activists or riling

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living with corona virus, some european countries are calling for a new approach to was code 19. they said shouldn't be dealt as a health emergency, but as an illness, what does that convince anyone? this is inside story. ah hello and welcome to the program hash marabella. after 2 years of crippling waves of corona, virus strict locked downs and hundreds of thousands of people dead. several european countries are hoping to treat the pandemic as

a thing of the past. the latest armstrong, barry, and wave has broken infection records across the continent. daily infections have so far exceeded the peaks of earlier waves with france alone, reporting nearly half a 1000000 cases on tuesday. but hospital admissions and debts from amik, ronnie infections are way down compared to previous barriers, especially for those who are fully vaccinated. several european countries see those figures as a sign the disease can be treated as in dominic, another of many in the service that we have learned to live with. spain is one of the hardest hurt economies on the continent, and has led cause for restrictions to soon be dropped. portugal has already east major curves on crowded venues and the u. k. and ireland are set to drop most restrictions over the next week. but the world health organization has warned the

world is far from declaring the pandemic over, and the death rate is too high to truth. corona virus, as another endemic disease, now is not the time to give up on the strategy. and in a we're hearing, a lot of people suggest that oma crime is the last variant. and that is that it's over after this. and that is not the case because this virus is circulating at a very intense level around the world. and so it is not the time to give up on the comprehensive strategy that we have outlined that many countries are using. and as a mike has the, has said, implement them in different ways, but the goals of reducing severe disease and death remain. this funder mc is nowhere near over. and with the incredible girls of all me wrong, globally, new variants are likely to emerge ah, from all of this, i am joined by our guests in singapore. to keep on gustavo is visiting professor of

the eulu lin, school of medicine at national university of singapore. and a former w h o director, specializing in pandemic preparedness and global health governance in oxford. we have dr. lago kamali, annie, a consultant on global health and senior health policy advisor for peoples vaccine alliance in cambridge, we have chris smith, a consultant biologist, and clinical on clinical microbiology. specialist chris is also editor and host of the naked scientist, postcards, warmer cum tool. ticky singapore is starting to move away towards twit in coven, 19 as an illness. what does that mean for the country? well, i think the single government has taken a very pragmatic approach towards i see that, you know, living with a virus. and i think it has done so in a very pragmatic matter, based on now, likes tree likes to is based on governance in the

context of having a very, or the need to harmonious and single might a response to deal with the. and i think the 2nd one is a very robot health care system that he's able to deal with. and he said just in the severe cases of 19 and finally, perhaps they ultimately as well is social capital, a population which is but in trusting the government and ready to follow government recommendations and instructions. so as a result that has very well and i think it's on, on the right, bob to live living sustainably and safely with the wires longer. is it fair for european countries to say it's about time to turn the shop to move forward?

was more relax, life fine. when you have sub saharan africa lagging far behind in terms of vaccinations? well, from the beginning on that the buyer that we've been hearing, nobody is safe, then everybody say, it's just what it doesn't mean. and i think because what is happening is back from a high level commission and you know, and that's why they feel bad. what they feel comfortable to move restrictions while, as you said, you know, by the lives of what's initial rate in many including africa. so basically, globally, we have a wonderful environment for us to don't people are bucks and some people are not, but the minus will just me. they created new and new but you reach your open and the other countries. and then we saw the screaming,

and the other thing is, you know, why and this that more than moving restrictions is happening now. a lot of the doctors in the u. k are saying this is not based on data. so it seems like it's a political decision when we have just like thing, we have a fantastic health system in the u. okay. however, it is rarely under huge stress because of the number of people who are because of it and the implication of school. but on the long list of people that have delays tests or 3 other treatments, no 2 took off with 19 chris would increase. was the movement restriction. ok, chris, when we say that starting from the next set of infections, it's about time to treat cove. it not as an emergency,

but as an illness that we have to deal with because it's going to stay for longer. it sounds easier on paper than impractical terms. i think it's very important to see the situation through the lens of the hair and now and not the lens of last year. because this time last year, taking the u. k. as an example, the number of people who were dying every day was about 1501 point, and the number of people in hospital accounts for nearly half of all of the beds that we have in our national health service. we couldn't be more different now, where although we do have people in hospital, probably half of them are in hospital with corona virus, not because of corona virus, which is completely different from last year. and the number of people who are losing their lives is a fraction of where we were. and the reason that happened is that we've been able to transform the condition from what was lethal for some into trivial for almost

everyone. and that thanks to vaccines. and we have other weapons to throw this now in the form of anti are strokes. it's not a given that if we vaccinate everybody, we will no longer face variance because the sobering prospects in the sobering observation is that only chrome which has brought many countries back to the brink of locked downs or actually physically and locked down this emerged in the context of south africa, which was pretty highly vaccinated as african countries go. and they were declaring at the time, only con, emerged just a few 100 cases per day. while the u. k, for example, was having up to 50000. so it's not a given, the vaccines stop variance, but what we can do with vaccines based on the u. k and other countries experience is we can convert severe disease into trivial disease. and that should be our go. yes, we need to i to stop people dying and that means across the entire world. but we

shouldn't kid ourselves at this as soon as we achieve that magic vaccination of the world, the coven disaster is over because it isn't. but we will have done is to stop people dying ticket. this is exactly what people are concerned about, which is basically the this false hope that this could be the beginning of the end of an era. and the beginning of a post covered 19 era because singapore, for example, thought that with a 0 tolerance approach, now he's starting to relax most of the restrictions because he has met somehow 90 percent, the threshold of vaccinations. but we've seen a 3rd of all of infections recently. couldn't this be the concern facing singapore in the near future? well, i think the searching infection with arrival on the truck is something that the singapore government definitely for saw. and you know, very, pretty bad for and the way they dealt with this was to leave both

restrictions are locked out, not even in increasing travel or restrictions from other countries, but continuing with the surveillance continuing improperly with factory nation, providing both of us and more recently abroad immunization to, to the young children 5 to 1212 to 70. and once again ensuring that health care system was ready. and we have seen just in the last few days that even amongst children i've been given the vaccine. there was no issues with any serious side effects than a mile symptoms, as we know in the other room, a couple hospitalizations, nothing that's required. i see you for example. so i think, you know, the reality is that, you know,

devices will be out and kept out of the boss. so as i mentioned just now, the real issue is to prevent people from di, finish infection. look, now countries like spain have been battered economically by cope with 900. the basic you think we cannot continue like that otherwise, with a country will collapse. don't you see that for that particular reason. it's about time for the scientific community to start thinking seriously about shaping our post. koby 1912. well, the talk and debate, some studies about shaping the post coven. i think i'm not advocating for look down by the way. ok, think for good measures. and one of the ones that immediate good measure is box and they think that i said the, well yes you can protect people and that ok from dying fault from call. but the

people in other countries that are not protected. so this one's saying, you get data in the u. k and then south africa. many other countries don't data. so you actually don't know how many people are affected, how many people are dying, because the data is not really good. and therefore, we can't say, oh, it's not killing people in south africa it's, we just don't know the accurate data. but the important thing is about just like we reached or thing for each 90 percent, other countries need to reach that level. and then i, you know, yes, because one day it was just like fluid stay with, i mean, you know, the world managed to get rid of one virus, only one big one a fix animal, one affects human beings. that's a lot that we only have small box out and everything else we live with. whereas vaccination kids are the ones are vaccinated against measles. but that is,

that makes sense. we still haven't gone. right. totally, utterly amazed, or order or polio. so with the vaccination where we're controlling it now for cove, it the fans, we have as a speaker from cambridge said, you know, yes, cup mortality and got the high level of morbidity. you know the elements, but it doesn't transmission. so we still need more assess for better vaccines. this should not be here of the vaccines. we have him, that's it, which would really in for better vaccines. but meantime, we have effective vaccines, very good vaccines around and they should be available to other countries. so that they don't have mutation and you can look at the serious, mutate the serious variance. so the variance off again. so then that you get one,

the next thing they started and spread in india when the level of explanation in india was usually low, very low was under 5 percent. and then on the south africa was again, low vaccination. so it's yes, south africa compared to, let's say, d, r, feel broad do. of course that has higher max in asia, south africa to the u. k. all right, know, it has low nation. so every point how it works in asians in all low middle income country. all right, then we can be course the problem with trying to transition to was in your area. it's basically some people might think this could be an indication we're going back to before the 2020. the problem here is you have the concern that you, how the at risk people you have the patients with complications. and you have to bear in mind that you need to maintain a massive vaccination campaign to be able to tell confident to your own people,

you know, what we could live with cope with the way it is in the near future. are we talking about decisions that are likely to have huge economical financial, but if occasions of many countries in europe, if they want to succeed that path? well, i see, i don't agree because we've always had that vulnerable population. and so every other country we have just told them they're more vulnerable this year. so more people are worried previously they were blissfully unaware. but that's why we've had a flu vaccination campaign. this room for decades. very, very successful about 6070 percent vaccine effectiveness. every single year, and that's based on the whole world talking to each other, sharing flu data, working out what to put into the vaccines and then orchestrating because the, the flu season is so predictable, orchestrating a vaccination campaign which is well understood. we understand how to deploy it, how best to use it. we know it works, and it protects the most vulnerable. this isn't really any different. i strongly

suspect that this will settle down to become a seasonally surging infection. current of ours is do circulate all the time, but they're much more common in winter time. and the common human karone of ours is there are 4 of them that cause colds there around about 510 percent of the coast that we get in winter. so we can probably predict that in the future, what's currently causing cov installs covey to is going to circulate more often. in the winter. we can anticipate that we can give people a vaccine top up if they are in a particularly vulnerable group. but most people are not vulnerable to this far, as most people actually will be absolutely fine. and half the time they went to any symptoms whatsoever. so really, that's not that much different than the flu. so i think this is something that we can use prior learning, prior knowledge, and prior practice, put it into practice, to protect those people who need protecting ticket. why is the w health organization concerned about an immediate shift to was

a post covey 19 reality? well, i think the concern, ah, about a braylan sure. sort of acceptance that a, you know, it is already going to become and demi that we have less to worry about. a thing has to do with what has been mentioned before, that as long as they are pockets in honor parts of the world where vaccination coverage is less than what is needed, the virus is still going to continue to circulate to be transmitted and new areas are going to appear so you know it, it gives a cliched tab. no on the safe until everyone is safe. but you know that that's the reality. so i think that not mitchell is concerned that some countries have taken the path to was more relaxed at the q ah, and plus the fact that, or betron,

ah, david is, is that it's causing sort of a milder disease, or it has. well, i think what they concern about is a sort of false sense of security or had just to remind the world that there are pockets off and vaccinated people. and as long as they're those exist, it poses a continuing risk moga, the w h o is also saying that for that fund, 444, covered 19 to become an endemic disease. we have to have more data to be able to say, we know we can predict how the virus is going to move forward in the near future. so for the time being was on how that data and therefore we want the country to become more cautious in the near future deciding to move forward towards any new approach to was tackling over 19 well and day day. so busy is critical for, for decision, for health vision, health policy division for each country, but also globally, i think, investing in,

in daytime surveillance and left over is critical in countries. and that means, i mean, data don't come from sky or they don't come from just having, you know, lots of epic. it's gone through having reliable, trusted trying to well communicate elsewhere. these are the people in the community that have the community to trust that can actually collect proper data and send it to be on allies and collected together at the country level. and then at the base that come to can make their own decisions and globally on other international agency can give if you like that the global guidelines on how to, how to respond. when again, you know, until we have high level of bucks in it. and then what each, at least would each the dog of 70 percent of people in each country on

each community, our bucks in a did a we, we will be knocked down data and not really having a clear vision of what's next. that should be a priority here for so proud of for you. the benchmark is 65 to 70 percent vaccination of throughout the community for, for, for, for, for those countries to move forward. chris, now the premise of this whole lockdown rationale in the past was basically well lead is we're pretty much concerned about the health system being overwhelmed by the number of, of patients needing. i see is the good just means that the health system would collapse. and this is why they went for drastic approach. now countries, i think it's about time to change that and relax the cose. one of the questions that many people asking what if to model the day after we have a new aggressive variance? could that could that bring us back to square one?

will you never say never medicine? and i think the way to think about this is that in the u. k. in the 1940s we had a world war, and people periodically was subject to being bombed by foreign flame. it doesn't mean that they spent their entire lives life living in an air raid shelter. what they did was to build a bomb shelter and they had sirens, and when the warning signals went off, people reacted accordingly. and i think we've got to think about, we've got to live our lives knowing that there is this potential threat. but it's not going to be ever present at the same degree of severity. so we therefore have a population who are aware of that and can react accordingly. we sort of seen that begin to happen over christmas because proxy christmas various measures were put in place. but people, as far as we can tell, went further than those measures required in order to keep themselves safe, which shows that people can judge the risk and they can be trusted to do so. so i think it's not unreasonable for us to plan for a future where we can alert people to threats that are coming. we knew that chrome

was coming. we had several weeks of lead time on that thanks to south africa, sporting it, and then people acting accordingly. in this instance, perhaps there was some overreaction, but it was a cautious over reaction. we can do this. so i think in the future we have no reason to doubt that some that the, the missions was work because they, they do work. we just want to minimize the, the home because otherwise there's a risk that the peerless worst neil briefly took. if you don't mind, do you think that the 1st booster 2nd boost 3rd 4th, 5th, a 2nd 6 is going to be the norm in the near future for us to be able to shield the communities against coven 19. well, i think that the session will have to be made by individual countries, you know, from, from my own personal you, i think the 3rd booster is to you very well justify, especially for, you know, those wires, lan ruble, all the people with underlying mobility,

et cetera. et cetera, as to the value of a lot of tuesday, the 6th, i must have been b as in the mean ologist. there is a concept called eat on the immunological energy. where if you keep repeating our doses, you may actually get a lower reaction. but that's in my personal mortgage for you were for the at the same time for the people's vaccine alliance, which says that it's about time for the international community to come together in sure that those his are manufactured globally. that the, a pro, intellectual property issue is dealt with so that vaccines are manufactured by any company that wishes to do so. and that we have to provide people with vaccines and treatment free of charge in the near future. do you see that implemented in the near future? well, we're working hard to get implemented. it's about, it's not just intellectual property, but it's about sharing knowledge of the vaccines. so for example,

the africa union was the south african government on the w 2 and a hub in south africa. now, if a company like with the knowledge of that scene with them to be funded by taxpayer american, if they share that knowledge, then the hub can enable, came from one companies. it's not any company to produce enough for people in developing countries rather than now. totally relying on the forces in the state of anything. yeah. so your point, unfortunately, we're running out of time on the commodity any to keep on you. so and chris smith, i really appreciate your site and looking forward to talking to you in the future. thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website. i'll just the dot com for further discussion goes all facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha. inside folder,

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