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living with corona virus. some european countries are calling for a new approach to was code 19. they said shouldn't be dealt as a health emergency. but as an illness, what does that convince anyone? this is inside story. ah. hello and welcome to the program. hash m alba. after 2 years of crippling waves of corona virus strict locked downs and hundreds of thousands of people dead. several european countries are hoping to treat the pandemic as

a thing of the past. the latest armstrong, barry, and wave has broken infection records across the continent. daily infections have so far exceeded the peaks of earlier waves with france alone, reporting nearly half a 1000000 cases on tuesday. but hospital admissions and debts from amik, ron infections are way down compared to previous barriers, especially for those who are fully vaccinated. several european countries see those figures as a sign the disease can be treated as in dominic, another of many in the service that we've learned to live with. spain is one of the hardest hurt economies on the continent, and has led cause for restrictions to soon be dropped. portugal has already east major curves on crowded venues and the u. k. and ireland are set to drop most restrictions over the next week. but the world health organization has warned the

world is far from declaring the pandemic over. and the death rate is too high to truth. corona virus, as another in damage disease. now is not the time to give up on the strategy. and you know, we're hearing a lot of people suggest that oma crime is the last variant. and that is that it's over after this. and that is not the case because this virus is circulating at a very intense level around the world. and so it is not the time to give up on the comprehensive strategy that we have outlined that many countries are using. and as a mike has the has said, implement them in different ways, but the goals of reducing severe disease and death remain. this fund amick is nowhere near over. and with the incredible girls of all me, crohn globally, new variants are likely to emerge. ah, from all this i'm joined by our guests in singapore. to keep on gusto is visiting

professor at the eulu lyn school of medicine at national university of singapore and a former w h o director, specializing in pandemic preparedness and global health governance in oxford. we have dr. maha kamali, annie, a consultant on global health and senior health policy advisor for peebles vaccine alliance in cambridge, we have chris smith, a consultant biologist, and clinical on clinical microbiology. specialist chris is also editor and host of the naked scientist. both cars, warmer cum tool ticky singapore is starting to move away towards twit in coven, 19 as an illness. what does that mean for the country? well, i think the single government has taken a very pragmatic approach towards. i says that, you know, living with a virus and i think it has done so in a very pragmatic matter, based on so likes,

tree likes to is based on governance in the context of having a very, or the need to harmonious and single might of response to deal with the and i make the 2nd one is a very robot health care system that is able to deal with. and he said just in the severe cases of 19 and finally, perhaps they ultimately as well is social capital, a population which is. but in trusting the government and ready to follow government recommendations and instructions. so as a result that has treated very well. and i think it's on, on the right to live living sustainably and safely with the wires longer. is it fair for european countries to say it's about time to turn that shop to move

forward? was more relaxed. lifestyle. when you have sub saharan africa lagging far behind in terms of vaccinations? well, from the beginning on the buyer, we've been hearing. nobody is safe than ever, but if it's just work, it doesn't rain. and i think because what is happening is back from a high level initially, you know, and that's why they feel bad, why they feel comfortable to move restrictions while, as you said, you know, buddy lives. what's the nation break in many, including africa. so basically, globally, we have a wonderful environment for the buyer to some people are bucks and some people are not, but some agents on the minus will just meet. they created new, great and new, but you reach your open and the other countries. and then we start

screaming, and the other thing is, you know, why, and this more than moving restrictions is happening now. a lot of the doctors in the u. k are saying this is long based on data. so it seems like it's a political decision when the n h at that we have just like thing the board, we have a fantastic health system in the u. okay. however, it is rarely under huge stress because of the number of people who are because of it and the implication of school, but on the long list of people that have delays tests or 3 other treatments, no 2 took off with 19 chris grade was moving restricted okay, chris, when we said that starting from the next of infection and it's about time to treat cove, it not as an emergency,

but as an illness that we have to deal with because it's going to stay for longer. it sounds easier on paper than impractical terms. i think it's very important to see the situation through the lens of the hair and now and not the lens of last year. because this time last year, taking the u. k. as an example, the number of people who were dying every day was about 1501 point, and the number of people in hospital accounts for nearly half of all of the beds that we have in our national health service. we couldn't be more different now, where although we do have people in hospital, probably half of them are in hospital with corona virus, not because of corona virus, which is completely different from last year. and the number of people who are losing their lives is a fraction of where we were. and the reason that's happened is that we've been able to transform the condition from what was lethal for some into trivial for almost

everyone. and that's thanks to vaccines. and we have other weapons to throw this now in the form of are strokes. it's not a given that if we vaccinate everybody, we will no longer face variance because the sobering prospects in the sobering observation is that only chrome which has brought many countries back to the brink of locked downs, or actually physically into locked downs miss emerged in the context of south africa, which was pretty highly vaccinated as african countries go. and they were declaring at the time only connie merged just a few 100 cases per day. while the u. k, for example, was having up to 50000. so it's not a given, the vaccines stop variance, but what we can do with vaccines based on the u. k and other countries experience is we can convert severe disease into trivial disease. and that should be our go. yes, we need to i to stop people dying and that means across the entire world. but we

shouldn't kid ourselves at this. as soon as we achieve that magic vaccination of the world, the coven disaster is over. because it isn't done is to stop people dying ticket. this is exactly what people are concerned about, which is basically the this false hope that this could be the beginning of the end of an era. and the beginning of a post covered 19 era because singapore, for example, started with a 0 tolerance approach. now he's starting to relax most of the restrictions because he has met somehow 90 percent the flesh hold of vaccinations. but we've seen a 3rd of all of infections recently. couldn't this be the concern facing singapore in the near future? well, i think the searching infection with arrival on the truck is something that the singapore government definitely for saw. and you know, very bad for and the way they dealt with this was to re

impose restrictions are locked out, not even in increasing travel or restrictions from other countries, but continuing with the surveillance, continuing improperly with vaccination, providing both 1st and more recently abroad. he ministration to, to the young children 5 to 12 and 12 to 70. and once again, ensuring that health care system was ready. and we have c just in the last few days that even amongst children that have been given the vaccine. there was no issues with any serious side effects that symptoms, as we know in the younger age robot couple hospitalizations, nothing that's required. i see you for example. so i think, you know, the reality is, you know,

the ones is already out of kept out of the boss. so as mentioned just now, the real issue is to prevent people from di infection. look, now countries like spain have been battered economically by cove in 1900. they basically think we cannot continue like that. otherwise, with a country will collapse. don't you see that for that particular reason. it's about time for the scientific community to start thinking seriously about shaping our post koby 1912 and debate. some studies about shaping the post coven. i think i'm not advocating for look down by the way, i think for good measures. and one of the ones that immediate good measure is, can they think that the, well yes, you can protect people and that ok from dying fault from bad,

but people in other countries that are not protected. so it's one thing you get data in the u. k. and then south africa, many other countries don't data. so you actually don't know how many people are affected, how many people are dying, because the data is not really good. and therefore, we can't say, oh, it's not killing people in south south africa. it's the we just don't know the accurate data, but the important thing is about just like we reached or thing for each 90 percent . other countries need to reach that level. and then i, you know, yes, because one day was just like fluid stay with, just like, i mean, you know, the world managed to get rid of one virus only that one big one, the fix animal one affects him. and that's a lot that we only have small folks out and everything else we live with, with the vaccination long or the world are vaccinated against measles. but that is

still me. so we're still having going to read all totally, utterly amazing or order or polio. so with the vaccination where we're controlling it now, for covey, the fans, we have as a speaker from cambridge said, you know, yes, cup mortality and got the high level of morbidity. you know the elements, but it doesn't transmission. so we still need more assess for better vaccines. the should not be here, the vaccines, we have them, that's it, which are really in for better vaccines. but meantime, we have effective vaccines, very good vaccines around and they should be available to other countries so that they don't have mutation. and you can look at the serious, mutate the serious variance. so the variance also came up and then the u. k. one does not look season started and spread in india. when

the level vaccination in india was usually low, very low. it was under 5 percent. and then on the south africa went again, low vaccination. so it's yes, south africa compared to, let's say, there are fewer brody, of course, that has higher max in asia. gone by south africa so that you can all right, know, it has low books nation. so very point how it works in asians in all low middle income country. all right, then we can be course the problem with trying to transition to was in your area. it's basically some people might think this could be an indication we're going back to before the 2020. the problem here is you have the concern that you, how the risk people, you have the patients with complications. and you have to bear in mind that you need to maintain a massive vaccination campaign to be able to tell. confident to your own people,

you know what we could live with cove with the way it is in the near future. are we talking about decisions that are likely to have huge economical financial, but if occasions of many countries in europe, if they want to succeed that path? well, i actually don't agree because we've always had that vulnerable population. and so is every other country we have just told them they're more vulnerable this year. so more people are worried previously they were blissfully unaware. but that's why we've had a flu vaccination campaign. this room for decades. very, very successful about 6070 percent vaccine effectiveness. every single year, and that's based on the whole world talking to each other, sharing flu data, working out what to put into the vaccines and then orchestrating because the, the flu season is so predictable, orchestrating a vaccination campaign which is well understood. we understand how to deploy it, how best to use it, and we know it works and it protects the most vulnerable. this isn't really any

different. i strongly suspect that this will settle down to become a seasonally surging infection. current of ours is to circulate all the time, but they're much more common in winter time. and the common human current of ours is there are 4 of them that cause colds there around about 510 percent to the coast that we get in winter. so we can probably predict that in the future, what's currently causing cov installs covey to is going to circulate more often. in the winter. we can anticipate that we can give people a vaccine top up if they are in a particularly vulnerable group. but most people are not vulnerable to this far, as most people actually will be absolutely fine. and half the time they went to any symptoms whatsoever. so really, that's not that much different than the flu. so i think this is something that we can use prior learning prior knowledge, and prior practice, and put it into practice to protect those people who need protecting, kicking. why is the w health organization concerned about an immediate shift

towards a post cove in 19 reality? well, i think the concern, ah, about a braylan sure. sort of acceptance that a, you know, it is already going to become and demi that we have less to worry about adding a has to do with what has been mentioned before. that as long as they are pockets in honor basil the whoa. where vaccination coverage is a less than what is needed. the virus is still going to continue to circulate to be transmitted and new areas are going to appear. so you know, it's a cliched tab. no, any, save until everyone is saved by that you know that that's the reality. so i think not. mitchell is concerned that some countries have taken the path towards a more relaxed attitude. ah, and plus the flag that will be drawn. ah, david is,

is that it's causing sort of a milder disease or it has? well, i think what they concern about is a sort of false sense of security or had just to remind the world that there are pockets off and lexington people. and as long as they're those exist, it poses a continuity risk. ready moga, the w h o is also saying that for that, for an for, for, for covered 19 to become an endemic disease, we have to have more data to be able to say, we know we can predict how the virus is going to move forward in the near future, so for the time being was on how that data and therefore we want the country to become more cautious in the near future deciding to move forward towards any new approach to was tackling of in 19 well, i mean, day day so busy is critical for, for decision, for health, vision, health policy decisions for each country, but also globally, i think,

investing in and daytime surveillance and left over is critical in countries. and that means, i mean, data don't come from sky or they don't come from just having, you know, lots of if, if it comes from having reliable, trusted trying to when communicate elsewhere. these are the people in the community that have the community to trust that can actually collect proper data and send it to be on allies and, and collate it together at the country level. and based on that countries can make their own decisions and globally on other international agency can give if you like that the global guidelines on how to, how to respond. but again, you know, until we have high level of bucks in the what each, at least would each, the target of 70 percent of people in each country are on each community. our bucks

in a did a well, it will be knocked down a day and not really having a clear vision of what's next. that should be the priority here for the pro to for you. the benchmark is 65 to 70 percent vaccination throughout the community for, for, for, for, for those countries to move forward. chris, now the premise of this whole lockdown rush, not in the past, was basically, well leaders, we're pretty much concerned about the health system being overwhelmed by them. of the of patients needing, i see is the could just be in the health system would collapse. and this is why them went for drastic approach no countries. i think it's about time to change that and relax the coast. one of the questions that many people asking what if to model the day after we have a new aggressive variant, could that could that bring us back to square one?

well, you never say never medicine. and i think the way to think about this is that in the u. k. in the 1940s we had a world war and people periodically was subject to being bombed by foreign flame. it doesn't mean that they spent their entire lives life living in an air raid shelter. what they did was to build a bomb shelter and they had sirens. and when the warning signals went off, people reacted accordingly. and i think we've got to think about, we've got to live our lives knowing that there is this potential threat, but it's not going to be ever present at the same degree of severity. so we therefore have a population who are aware of that and can react accordingly. we sort of seen that begin to happen over christmas because prompted christmas, various measures were put in place. but people, as far as we can tell, went further than those measures required in order to keep themselves safe, which shows that people can judge the risk and they can be trusted to do so. so i think it's not unreasonable for us to plan for a future where we can alert people to threats that are coming. we knew that chrome

was coming. we had several weeks of lead time on that thanks to south africa, sporting it, and then people acting accordingly. in this instance, perhaps there was some overreaction, but it was a cautious over reaction. we can do this. so i think in the future we have no reason to doubt that some that the, the missions why work because they, they do work. we just want to minimize the, the home because otherwise is a risk that the pill is worse than neil. briefly, a ticket, if you don't mind, do you think that the 1st booster 2nd boost 3rd, 4th, 5th, a 2nd 6 is going to be the norm in the near future for us to be able to seal the communities against koby 19? well, i think that the session we will have to be made by individual countries, you know, from, from my own personal use. i think the 3rd booster is you very well justified, especially for you know, those wires, bonner, well, all the people with underlying mobility, et cetera, et cetera. as to the value of

a lot of tuesday, the 6th i months have been beats, i certainly mean ologist. there is a concept called in on the immunological energy, where if you keep repeating ad doses, you may actually get a lower reaction or death in my personal view marker for you were for the, at the same time for the people's vaccine alliance, which says that it's about time for the international community to come together in sure that those his are manufactured globally, that the a pro, intellectual property issue is dealt with so that vaccines are manufactured by any company that wishes to do so. and that we have to provide people with vaccines and treatment free of charge in the near future. do you see that implemented in the near future? while we're working hard to get the implemented, it's about shania snail adjusting the lecture property. but it's about sharing

knowledge of axioms. so for example, the africa union was the south african government, the w h o m r n a hub in south africa. now if a company like with them now share the knowledge over that scene with them about sandwiches, told me to be funded by by taxpayer americans. if you share that knowledge, then the hub enable cable companies. there's not any company to produce enough for people in developing countries rather than now, totally relying on the pharmaceutical portions for now see a point. unfortunately, we're running out of time. we'll get commodity any tickets on your so and chris smith, i really appreciate your site looking forward to talking to you in the future and thank you for watching. you can see the program again anytime by visiting our website. i'll just the dot com for further discussion goes on facebook page, thus facebook dot com forward slash

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