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yes, festival, the most important public holiday of the year, officials here are under intense pressure to control the outbreak before the winter olympics opens on february, the 4th doors taking part of the games will be confined to a strict. then you bubble designed to be sealed off to protect the rest of china's population. khatri, you al jazeera baiting ah . off past the hour on al jazeera, these are the top stories. russia has rejected british on his ations that had spoken to install a pro moscow leader in ukraine. the u. k is saying rushes in contact with former ukranian politicians as part of plans for an invasion. mo, from tulsa jabari in moscow. we just have a statement that's been issued by the russian government. it says that the disinformation spread by the foreign office is yet another example of proof that these nato countries headed by the anglo saxons are escalating the situation around
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ukraine. the british government, of course, having some very strong accusations against this government in moscow saying that they are plotting and planning. and that is something that this government says is absolute nonsense. you as president joe biden, meanwhile, has met his national security team to discuss the ukraine crisis. washington has sent about 90 tons of military supplies, saying at once you cranes forces to be well stocked up. a headlines rescue workers in yemen are still searching for survivors trapped under the debris of destroyed detention facility. heard the officials say a saudi coalition as strike hit the temporary holding center inside the province on friday. saudi arabia's claim is that the building was not on a list of protected sites. senior members of the taliban are in norway for their 1st official talks on european soils and seizing power in afghanistan. the talks will focus on human rights and afghanistan's need for humanitarian aid. a senior
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ethiopian military officials, as government troops are making plans to enter to guys regional capital, michaela, the deputy army chief said the country will not be at peace until rebels integral are eliminated. to use diplomats flew to out us out about this week to push for a cease fire has been will violence between protestors and police in government. this is democratic republic of congo. demonstrate his are demanding better security in the region, which is seen a recent surgeon attacks and kidnapping. and a prominent mexican journalist has been laid to rest after being shot dead outside his home into one of friends and family. held a candlelight vigil to honor 49 year old margarita martinez. and with that, you are up to date with the headlines on al jazeera coming up next, the latest edition of inside story i'll just say a while to warm we listen,
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design is are making serious efforts and destructive tendencies. we meet with the stormy stan contentions over ukraine, the defused, the u. s. and russia hold more talks, but there's no break through washington warns of the consequences of an invasion moscow. 6, assurances on security is there a middle ground to be reached. this is inside story. ah hello and welcome to the program. i am hash him a bottle of the us and russia have held what they say are frank talks, as they try to resolve their stand off on ukraine. foreign minister, sir gala rob,
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repeated denials, huge russian force along the border is preparing to invade us secretary of state antony lincoln said the us and its allies would response severely if it did the meetings fail to find agreement other than both sides would continue steps to defuse the crisis. natasha butler has this report from geneva at a hotel in geneva, the u. s. secretary of state and russian foreign minister arrived for crucial talks into diffusing tensions over ukraine. antony blinkin and sir gala for off set the tone early. both said a breakthrough was unlikely, no mistake regarding your work. i do all i know with living is jewelry, with which we are not expecting
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a breakthrough at this meeting either. we are expecting answers to our proposals after the meeting left for offset. moscow wanted a written response from the u. s. to its demands, including a guarantee that nato will not grant membership to ukraine. something blinkin has repeatedly called a nonstarter, but he said the u. s. would respond to russia if moscow addressed its concerns and respected ukrainian sovereignty. we've been clear if any russian military forces move across ukraine's order, that's renewed invasion. it will be met with swift, severe, and a united response from united states, and our partners and allies, u. s. intelligence says russia has already amassed at least a 100000 troops on its western border and is moving weapons into allied belarus, north of ukraine. the u. s. and russian positions are clearly far apart to blinkin and life of making very little real progress. but the 2 men did agree to continue
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to pursue diplomacy as a way of the escalating, a crisis which could lead to war. it was on the shores of lake geneva, the talks between the u. s. and russia led to the end of the cold war, decades on how old rivalries have resurfaced. both sides accuse each other. regression and relations are dangerously deteriorated. the outlook for the coming week is turbulent. natasha butler, just sarah geneva. the build up of russian troops on the border has raised fears of conflict for many ukrainians. and the 1st shipment of additional u. s. military aide. $200000000.00 worth of equipment has arrived in the capital cave, but hundreds of people have rallied in the city calling for the escalation. ah, for more on this, i am joined by our guests in washington,
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dc. curt walker distinguish fellow of the center for european policy analysis. his also former u. s. representative for ukraine negotiations and us ambassador to nato in cave. peter velma, of executive director of eurasia democracy initiative. and in moscow we have la dimmer sutton, nick of political commentator and specialist on russian foreign affairs. welcome to the program, curved. no one was expecting the blink oliver of meeting to produce a breakthrough. but however, is it likely to diffuse the attention? no, i don't think sense. i think russia has been very clear all along is set out these demands of ukraine not having its own sovereignty. not being able to choose whether to join nato or not. natal being required to pull back military forces from allies and poland and baltic states,
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demands that russia knew would be acceptable and yet it contin continues to push those. and it says that the u. s. m a to agree to those. it's not going to happens . so as a result, i think we are just biting time. well russia, a mass is more military forces in and around ukraine. i think she's really not looking at the diplomacy seriously. peter is the same sentiment among ukrainians, and this is just a matter of time before an evasion by invasion by the russians. well, sort of like the proverbial, you know, rifle that's hanging at the beginning of anton checkups plate. i said to eventually fire by the end of the play, you know, it's just a matter of time and a matter of the set of scale, an attack that will be, will be coming from food. and that's what most gradients believe. i would say that overall there's much, there's less of a, there's less of
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a scenario that there will be a full blooded attack and an invasion of ukraine with a potential siege of the capital city a key. and that's probably unlikely, but there's a whole host of options and scenarios that button is considering. because because i do not believe in a do not by his that his concerns that nato isn't circling. russia is genuine. i think what is really genuine is right and lack of desire to see a prosperous and democratic ukraine. so i think anything is civil, anything is on the table from a limited at that on in the east of ukraine. land order to the crimea and may be instigating accord over throwing the government in. kia, latino, the russian foreign minister has been denying reports about military build up on the or on the border with ukraine. however, when you look at the chose being
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a mask, then we look at the tactical group sent to bill or was, this is an indication that the russians could potentially be planning a to front attack. or let me disagree with my esteemed or above colic, sir, from our united states, and then the ukraine is, i suppose our rush is not going to invade or just to incur making the incursions to the granting territory actually, ah no. what about those negotiations which were held between the russian foreign minister, sergei love roth, and our secretary of state lincoln. that was a ride to diffuse a situation. but unfortunately these negotiation sir, ah, didn't give any results. i. i think that the eventually, eventually, are these sir arm solution to this sir? tangents will be, are found, and i think that there will be other morales of consultations and negotiations,
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at least one between a russia and the, the united states consulting, the ukrainian issue. and i'm a just regards former, numerous, russia has all arrived just her to, to maneuver or whatever the, our ball the troops are, are i let me, let me, let me let, let me point that this is going to be, and this is actually taking place on the russian territory, but that's not a sign that russia is going to invade the. let me disagree again with my ukranian colleague that the russia is preparing to incur sir air to, to invade are in the east, off for our, the ukraine module. how to make an over a coup. okay. cut of the santo, the negotiations between the, the chalks, between the americans on the russians. a list of demands presented by the russians . the key element here, the russians won't, of britain can a written document from the american saying that
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a ne 2 is going to be committed to not admit ukraine as a member any time in the future. do you see the americans winning for a compromise when it comes to this particular point? no, i don't know. ukraine is a sovereign country. it's an independent country. it has a long historical and, and political, and social and cultural identity that make it a state in europe. it is ukraine's right to decide whether it chooses to join a security alliance for collection defense or not. and i don't think it is for the united states or any one else to say that no that's, that's never going to happen. native defensive alliance. it has reduced its military capabilities dramatically over the years since the end of the cold war has never attacked or threatened russia. ukraine does not threaten russia. and so the idea that russia,
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which has attacked ukraine and has attacked other countries in the neighborhood and has taken new territory, can be a threat, is real, which is why it's important for a country like ukraine to seek to join nato. so no, i don't see that being taken off the table as a possibility won't happen soon, but i don't think anyone's going to write off that possibility. pizza, when you look at the statements made by ne to european allies over the last few years over the issue of the acquaint. do you feel like you're on a confident position where if needs be the americans along with they to and your peers would be that to protect the ukrainians? very good question. let me just pick up a bit, briefly, comment on wet vegetable percent and in country what our russians finally said. you know where the russia is or is not planning to attack. don't boss let, let's be clear. let's be clear that it already has. it has a next crimea country to all international agreements, and it instigated
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a war in the east of ukraine. it's not a civil war country to what russia says now regarding your question about natal, you know. 4 it would not be so hopeful, unfortunately, and i would say that you created that also not very the short, especially after what we heard from president biden, when he decided to it started up those of bracing honesty about natal potential response to a variety of different scenarios. something that is honest, but should have been confined to private conversations among allies, you know, where with the audience of millions of people listening and especially one particular important individual write him up with me. this was not very helpful. and it does seem that there is no clarity as far as the responses to various different scenarios. i have concerns about the response of the german side that has ruled out a new sort of military assistance the grade, and has also has not been willing to discuss the future of the north stream to
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project, which is a guest back with pipeline from russia and is a very, very important, important component. when economic response should russia attack ukraine. vladimir, what do you think his bush's biggest concern is said nato expansion, or is it just the fear of seeing a neighbor which is more vibrant, setting up a strong democracy that could further spread eastwards. ah, well ah, thank you for the question. actually. first of all, i would like just to show brief the command on what her r y aah ukrainian. kali kirk panelist sat. i was surprised at saying by him that russia is made an aggression to a crimea that that is not true actually because there was a general both in crimea. and the crimean, sexually or near voiced her, gave their voice to, to the original location with rush. well,
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that was not the guess of it just for the record that the russian narrative internationally were talking about annexation of the crimea. and also actually that was an incursion, not in the delay eastern territories. ah, that's was not annexation. and that was not the end in gush. it's the casa, well, actually, i, i will get straight to the point, i would say that russia is not fearing the grade that, sir, you remember there? there was an article by present flooding brewton where he sat and wrote that russia and ukraine. this is just a common, common, common people that this is so there was a ukraine, or are there russia actual somewhere out there back in there in the past. but, ah, i regarding a question, i think that the most the concern of russia, this is an enlargement buffer nature. and the pushing the nature ah, missiles medium range missiles on ukrainian territory. that's why russia would like
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to have written guarantees because the written guarantees, this is a legal document. ah, peter, you wanted to say something. i just want to jump in or, or, you know, it is an are running situation with my report. claims that nato constitutes an existential threat to russia, but it's precisely his actions in the last 8 years or even longer that created this insecurity in the region that has prompted not only ukrainians to aspire with, greater and greater force, greater greater numbers to become a member of nato, but the longstanding neutral european powers such as sweden and finland are all of a sudden talking about that a casual accession needle. kurt, it was 2nd major demand by the russians is withdrawn, data truce back to 1997. this is before several countries in eastern europe, word method is this something that potentially could be debated between the u. s. and its own our lives within the ne,
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2 before coming back to the russians with an answer? no, that is not something that united states or major would do either. and we have to 1st remember the history that no poland, o baltic states, stoney le, unless winnie or gary romanian reader occupied by the soviet union or had governments imposed on them by the union and part of the worst packers exception for many. and they are now free and independent countries. again, they were historically free and independent. they are again now, and they will refuse to be subjugated to russia in any way in the future. it's not for russia to tell them whether and how to defend themselves, and nato likewise will not allow an outside power such as russia to dictate the way that it goes about its preparation for defense. in the case, a country, any member of native would be attack, so that is not on the table. one thing are russian colleagues that i think could be addressed is missiles. he said that is a concern of russia,
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that nato could possibly put the missiles into your brain. this is something where we had previously existing agreement, the agreement, and also concerns about short range was that russia, in its territory, been very close to western territory. and here i think there is scope for negotiation and agreement on not deploying those sorts of weapons or locations where it's acceptable to those to be deployed. reciprocal music bases, pita, we've seen some equipment delivered to the cranium over the last few months, particularly from britain, the next generation light weapons, the allows and also the javelin from the americans. but apart from that, the germans of you said very reticent about the need to send what job made weapons into ukraine's many countries are saying, we have to be really cautious when it comes to sending any strong signal to was the
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equation that could further observe the rushes, do you feel like that ultimately you might end up being the ones to pay a price if the science in the region decide to move forward. well, you know, it is. i wish i could tell you with certainty what that would lead to, in order to scenarios, you know, russia, to put his propaganda machinery can take the armament a wrong situation. to claim that, you know, there is a, you know, there is a, an encirclement happening and ukraine is being used as a puppet, as a sort of a territory for which to strike against russia. or as many, including american military analysts and supporters of ukraine claimed vladimir putin understands only force and the sooner it's demonstrated the better. therefore, americans already agreed to supply you greenwood stinger missiles, you know, including by giving the baltic states or the green light to do that. and mind you,
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it was during the dentist and war by the song, is that the stinger missiles allowed them would j. d, eventually knock out the solid power and force it to withdraw. but once again, i wish i had a clear answer are this is a very complex in areas and it could go what ways. ok, ladiva you said that's one of russia's main concerns, is using ukraine and areas in the and eastern countries on the border to launch attacks against russia. but don't you see the potential for resuming talk on the intermediate range nuclear forces tweety that the u. s. abandoned in 2019 as something that could send reassurances to the russians. yes, correct. i see the potential actually are resuming the talks on the air or this a treaty. and i think that one, sir, the credit crisis will be diffused, diffused her to some, to some level. those talk for are on the are resuming the agreement.
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aah! which was abandon, you're right. or sometime ago they will start to take place. so i think that the, this is the point where, yeah, the united states and the a russian federation can make a good agreement. what, what, what, what i'm saying a good agreement. i mean that both sides will prolong the street. you will find probably the confederation of this straight to the and then from that boy into the diffusion. i'm an optimist. i'm an optimist actually. ok from that boy into the relationship between a bow for powers will be getting better. kurt, that is this concerned about the short range massage being deployed in those areas near russia and used by the americans and they to in the near future to destabilize russia. but don't you see at the same time that vladimir putin is trying to bring
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to the full front once again, the issue of the tactical nuclear weapons that the americans have deployed in places like belgium, italy, germany, and turkey during the cold war and his, using this opportunity to say, you know what, part of the deal would be for the americans to take them out of those areas. he's certainly bring that up, but he's conveniently not bringing up the fact that russia has fastly more hundreds and hundreds and hundreds more short range nuclear warheads, in that same area of europe, rushes, western frontiers facing europe. so this deterrence has been in place for 70 years, almost where the u. s. nuclear guarantee is linked to you are so that they're equal security for all of us. i think that the u. s. a native would be willing to discuss. i n f and s and s limitations, but on
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a reciprocal mutual basis. and of course requires strict verification and i only have 3 previously a future agreement. we're good ish, the vicious peter when the, when the, when the russians say that there is a why the and asked a crimea and provided support for the secessionist is the need for the russians to protect the russian speaking communities there. do you have any concerns that the russian in a way. busy or another are trying to reshape the whole narrative surrounding the independence of the ukraine back in the ninety's and going back to the notion, you know, what happened in 1991 was a mistake. and therefore, we need to provide those chapters which could entail the acquaintance coming under the fall of the russians once again. while i, you know, let's not go too far. i am a russian, originally a russian speaking ukrainian from beneatha. this is why i was born, this is why i grew up country. do russia propaganda claims?
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the russian language and russian speakers were never under any physical harm threat then the russian language wasn't right. this is completely concocted as a rational for the annexation of premier and the subsequent instigation of the war in the dunbar. what we're seeing is happening in ukraine. what we're seeing, what's happening with bella was, which has essentially become a protectorate of russia as essentially cease to exist as it defacto independence states. what we're seeing in context on where russia has invoked its collective security treaty to restore order. it really, it really matches what we heard say over the, over the years that he considers the breakup of this. so you have a great, the greatest one of the greatest geopolitical tragedies of the 20th century. he missed this, so he didn't, he misses russia's ability to project power to what is called the near abroad.
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obviously, there will be a semblance of that, that he will try to reunite as and under rushes umbrella. valentina briefly, if you don't mind each time, there is a crisis, this all this debate in russia. exactly, reverberating. what happened back in the ninety's? what kind of russia do we want? what kind of boundaries are we talking about? what kind of relationship do we have with our neighboring countries? but don't you think that this time, the excuse is all the, the issue that ladiva putting is using when it comes to ukraine could backfire compared to what happened in 2014? no, i don't think so actually, i guess i'm telling you that i'm not the person that the we more sexual. remember the past, the recent pasta and what was sexual assault 2 years ago? non that is just to the saw the process to do not make the same mistakes in the future. so i think it will be a great mistake. all auditions are probably united states from ukraine,
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if for there will be a mounting threat and gene danger. ok. and then from, from, from the west on, from nature towards russia, because russia along our lessons very well. so i think that the finally, i would like to say that, i'm sure that there will be no, any war between thank you later or russia. i really appreciate that. unfortunately, we, we are running out of time. wish we had more time to continue the debate about what happens next in ukraine, kurt walker, peters, our, my latino, sonic, of our really appreciate your insight looking forward to talking to you in the near future. and thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com for further discussion. go to our facebook page that facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversational twitter, our hand that is at ha,
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