tv Inside Story Al Jazeera January 29, 2022 8:30pm-9:01pm AST
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switch on zillow. the bagget price war has certain he stirred emotions, but there's also the question of taste. every year in france, the prize is awarded for the best bagget in paris. the jury is made up of top bakers, but also members of the public because nearly every one in france has an opinion about what makes a good bye get. so let's see if people can pick a 30 cent by get from a traditional one. she says, hello, hello, yes, lessons, hello. yes, there believe it is a tradition. you know, when you go abroad, you can try hard to find a french bag out, but it doesn't exist same time. so we get off, but i know the cookie, it has to be all crusty and very fluffy inside. the supermarket is called the bagget ro, ridiculous. it says the promotion poses little long term threat to bakers, as it will end in a few months. but the debate reveals that few things in sight. passions in france quite like this. natasha butler,
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al jazeera paris. ah, i'm pete adobe. these are the headlines on al jazeera, around 5000 flights have been cancelled in the us as the east coast prepares for a huge snow storm. the bad weather is projected to move through the northeast this weekend with the cities of new york and boston. expected to be hardest hit. the governors of maryland, massachusetts, new jersey, and new york of declared states of emergency wanting of power cuts, new york mer, is asking people to stay indoors earlier. altos heroes, gabriel alesongo sent us this update from new york city. about 55000000 americans that are in the eye of this storm. it's coming to the northeast of the u. s. right now we're in the heart of new york city times square. and you can kind of get a sense here of how cold it is and how much snow there is here. there would
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normally be more people out on the streets right now in the morning, but not on a day like this. it's so cold. take a look at this, really just pan down this way a little bit. give you an idea of how the visibility is not that good. you can only see about, oh, i don't know, 2 or 3 blocks down this street. here. you as president joe biden says he will send troops to eastern europe soon to bolster nato. foresee some intentions over ukraine . top defense officials are urging russia to de escalate ruling parties in italy. have asked the current president sergio muttered aloe to carry on for a 2nd term. politicians have spent the past week voting to find an alternative, but a failed. 8 year old marcella has previously said he does not wish to continue in the roll up next is inside story. we have a news are for you at 18 g 60 minutes news and comment. i'll see you that. ah
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ecolog suspends another of its members in response to a qu, looking of fossa joints, molly and guinea of west african blocks and vandalism. but so far that approach has made little impact. so as eco are suffering from a crisis of credibility. this is inside story. ah hello and welcome to the program. i'm elizabeth bron in doha. the suspension of another country from equifax is raising questions about the organization's response
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to clues of the past 18 months. west africa is main regional block removed burkina faso days after the army over through president roche cowboy. it stopped short of sanctions for now, recent cozen gideon, molly had seen both countries sanctioned and suspended by ache, was, but it's done little to sway the behavior of military leaders in either nation. and the hard line approach seems to have backfired and marty, where the gender has rallied, support around claims. that echo was, is a bully, as al 0, as nicholas hart reports from while the duke, who is a similar mood and brooklyn of fossil there's been a muted reaction to the latest decision by the west african body. echo was, it was something that many here expected. some are waiting to see what will happen next. but frankly, overall, people here simply don't care. the institution has lost a level of credibility in the eyes of many here and seen as club to protect the
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interest of aging president, rather than protecting the interests of the people. it will in principle, the suspension of breaking up out. so that's in motion. the possibility of sanctions and treat them as outcasts. there has been 3 military coups in the region . there has been sanctions put in place in neighboring countries, but that has done little to stop the trade in the region or swayed those who leaders to change their ways. at the heart of what we're seeing right now is the crisis in the democratic institution. people no longer trust the way that democracy is being played out in the region. whether it be here in brooklyn, fossil in molly, or in guinea, where we've seen military coup. people want to see some sort of change in the way that they are lead. nicholas hawk in want to do for inside story. ah. well,
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more on this i'm joined by our guests in bama code is or nella mod ron had of these i help program foot institute for security studies and in london we have david auto director of geneva center for africa, a very warm welcome to both of you and miss motor on, i'll start with you and bama code word book tina's booking. faso, suspension by echo was from echo was, have any impact on the military's actions? well, not in a direct way. the suspension is one of those extremely mini mo, measures that it takes in this kind of circumstances that most direct impact it will have is the mattie political in, to some extent symbolic. the main points of this suspension is to make sure that on the one hand, it was a firms a principal's position against clues. and on the other hand, also to make sure that the country that that's being affected,
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babies to doesn't get to have a say in the organization's decision making. so this isn't in any way or a decision that's directly related to the military capacity of either book. you know, or partners as of now. all right, mr. auto echo, as late as we'll meet again, i believe next week to assess the outcome of their mission to book in a fast. so they are traveling there today and see whether additional sanctions should be imposed. but if we have a look at what's been happening in the region and with a cross in recent months, if we look at molly, the significant sanctions there have had no impact whatsoever on the military. why is that? and do you think that that's something that could influence a courses course of actions in book, in a foster you correct the you know,
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the outcome of the decision that was made in terms of the specialty molly and how it's laid out will be the back of his mind in terms of, you know, was the kind of suspension that, you know, the can see that for booking. if you've got to remember that from a geopolitical perspective, booking has a boundary rec mother which is not a member of equal us. so i think you can see 3 shutting down. it was a boy that's been money will not be impacted because of course, money has withdrawn itself from us. you know, the only area where they get some leverage will be the boundary. so i, because you know, but again, you know, how much impact will close inbound boundaries be how, how would that impact on the military don't?
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so they have to really consider very carefully because of course, it was losing a lot of credibility. who is we've seen, you know, the fact that money and stuff raising against the equip sanction therefore gives some level of hope for the booking to base to perhaps repeat the same thing. remember, this is a repetition of what the ministry don't that money. deed is the same thing that we see in the case of book in the military. don't very clear. and you know, said it was because of the inability of the democratic mental. ready oppressive in korea to do b, b, c. and talked about the strategy. so i kind of think it was very challenging. position my right, what do today and let's see how that out. but it's likely that you
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have any kind of leverage that will, you know which the ministry don't have to rescind you know, to the court. i think we almost, you know, on a game here for it was the trust that comes in that really, really interesting and i do want to talk about it was his influence, its legitimacy, its credibility more. but miss moran, if i can put to you just how much of a conundrum is echo was and given again, you know, the sanctions that they imposed in molly, if anything, the sort of support that we saw on the streets for the government in molly, for the transitional government and molly because the sanctions will be in as was seen as being just so punishing and that actually could that lead to support for the transitional government? and again, how will and has that influenced what's happened in booking fossil?
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there are several things i think we need not to mix here and i was just say by my debate or the various neighbors a. so actually it was and this includes mission. and so that's one thing that i think one fact that we should get straight. and the 2nd element, i think is that although there is a very listenable temptation to compare manual situation with looking at the one we are at very different stages in this crisis. the transition in money has been going on for 18 months, and the position of a quasi section which took place almost 3 weeks ago, happened towards the end of the previously agreed transition period. which means that essentially the manual government conditional government had
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committed initially to bringing the conditions when and by now and was eventually sanction when it's pulled back from that commitment. now right now in working at best. so we are only a few days less than a week from the. so there is a notion of, you know, progression in the way sanctions are being implemented. a course has announced indeed that today they will be sending a well 2 separate missions, one with military officials to figure out the security environment and stakeholders, and another one that will be much more political it's, it's important. i think that we take the time to look into how these stations are going to play out and most of all how the dialogue is being to evolve between a class and then you know, people holding working as we speak. now of course in the current and environment
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in the region, the fact that, you know, as you mentioned, a sanctions that were recently imposed in man had a very and in, i mean the had, there is some impact in terms of increasing that info to leverage it was, is definitely something that they are getting. we'll have to be careful in the way to process in order not to, not to oppose public opinion. well, let's put some of those points now to us 3rd guess. joining our discussion now from casablanca, as adam, a gay, political analysts, specializing in the hell and west africa. and mr. gay is also the former director of information for echo was mr. gave welcome to the program and let me put some of that that which we've been discussing to you was leaders are on their way to book you know, fos. so just how much confidence do you think that they will be arriving with to
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find a way out of the situation that will kina faso finds itself and now at least we can find some wisdom in this approach that they are having we book enough or so a contrary to what we decided on monday when the just imposed the engine functions, economic and a furniture on monday. at least this time around the i've sent people who can talk to the school because military in order to see why they have decided to move. and proper, the civilian president, rockmart cavalry, that's a good move. secondly, to send a political team of, from a cost or so at this early stage is also a good move, at least to have a proper assessment to get it from the horses mouth. instead of just taking a decision union actually by leaders, we're really out of context of the reality of what's going on in the countries are
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making up the community. so will they change the see kitchen? will they for the military to withdraw? i don't think so because the military is booking for so in money and also in good canada and across west africa. they've come to the conclusion that the civilians will be in charge recently in the names of democratization process have not been delivering on results. and then it makes sense for them to move in, in order to fix the security, not only of their country to preserve also their sovereignty, and the fees, the legitimacy they have, and the fees, but not only by the people of the country where those who will make but also across the african continent and beyond in today, where are people i think we want a new independence to get rid of the political rent is when taking control of the countries and to make sure that this happened. we may have to go unfortunately,
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to meeting room, and this is not something that's on the for were center got because remember in 1974 it put to go, when do you immediately struck and did the dictator regime what was called do revolution? these are you that made put to that, become the democrats. we celebrate today. so why not africa is to change wrought and ensure that they are bringing about do objective the or we are dreaming of that showing us democratization process. not a fake one under the control of civilian when making a bush and therefore the military are rifle to counter power. and that's why the booking of the military, they are right or so to refuse decisions that will be imposed on them by the co us, mainly in the because they are sometimes
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a directed by the front and other forces behind. let me put, let that some very interesting and some would say controversial point of view. let me put that to david david auto. could this military transition? do you think? i mean, how often do military crews lead to a truly democratic transition? do you see that happening? here or is it just too early to say? i think it's difficult to make those comparisons. i think we've got to treat uniquely. but do i think that the military would you know what the central transition? i don't think so because the current situation, one of the key reasons why the military has to hold the self or the military don't you know, to be clear on the self to but the president is that they want to be able to stabilize the country and get rid of the archive, them groups that are within the country on the region. so i don't see any hopes in
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terms of the green party to actually be because one of those why i think it will be a repeat of what is happening in muddy which you know, of course it was, has sanctioned and you know, money as we tell you that we the support of the nation. now, why i think, you know what, this is, go work in the base. this has to be entirely cool. one should know that it is some of his movies and it was failed to prevent that constitutional. who's that? according countries that i, because with the president they had changed the constitution and we cannot, you know, we see a situation where it was back in one form of call or sitting very quiet. and then,
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you know, back in, you know, try to influence changes in the country like in the bay. so let's book, you know, they did make a decision and motor on just how much again, how much of a credibility problem does echo was have not just because of how the recent sanctions that it's imposed. and molly seemed to have backfired. but it's, you know, it's perceived silence on alteri and accesses and other countries in the region. you know what you spoke about as constitutional manipulation in places like ivory coast and guinea, a dash legitimizing. you know, it's the presidential term. exactly. i mean, these kind of policy spent, she was hoping extremely controversial. what they do believe that they project the notion that a supporting a double standard approach to democracy in good governance. one of the one being
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quite a heavy handed against, again, and substitution all changes of governments such as the military we have in now in, in madison, trying been in, in and now in the bathroom while on the other end be quite some complacent. in fact, when i'm with a company mingling with constitutions in order to maintain themselves in power, and this was seen in a and in i, because last year, so here i think what we're seeing is a crises of the model of democracy that it was. this is promoting, which seems to be quite focused on the procedure or aspect of democracy, having elections and making, i mean going through the various steps by the books. the products missing,
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perhaps in the organizations approach is much more principles commitment to what happens between 2 elections, not just at the elections. mm hm. but the governance that happens between the 5 years also that's run from one election to the other. how, how transparent, how accountable, how attentive to public needs exactly. governments are. this is something where there is a high level of public demand. and where it says intimidation has been limited and so not ok. so mr. gay, i want to bring you in here because, you know, you are in the unique position to tell us about the inner workings of echo us. he would of your, the former director of information for echo was. so how does that got to this point where, you know, the leading west african economic block has such a crisis of credibility is so obvious, a former director of communication, of course, i'm currently living in order to get excited because in my own country synagogue,
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we have dual credit rules and the freedom of expression are no longer respected. i was gauge for no reason, really good reason by the government of mucky cell who does not respect the little . so this is an indication that it's not only in the countries of the for experience really to the good of this is happening with was subsequent and dull. therefore, it course is a credibility program in my mind and i figured not, you know, you do it or not, you know, before i wrote it in the west african but it did, i created when i was at a go with the name of course it needs to be change because the community was created in may 1975 on the 20, it may 1975 to handle the economy issues in the midst of the cold war when the war, the countries making it. would you budget for ideological reasons? now the post cold war brown, the need to call us ease our digit right for you and saying that the concept itself
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is outdated and it's no longer fit for purpose. let me, let me put that to david auto because there has been 3 military clues in west africa in the past 18 months. again, if echo us is facing such a serious credibility problem, what does that mean for stability in the region? i think there is total chaos and you know, i am afraid that we could see for the countries in west africa looking at these 1000000 book in a bay and again, the template and thinking, okay, we can, we can do the same, you know, remember, you know, as michael punished said, it was, is on the economic community over west africa, you know, and he has no standing army, so he cannot enforce to live that, you know, he can deter all that countries from doing the same. i mean, even if course were serious what they would have done as
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a regional body would have been to, you know, come up with a course army that would be deployed in any event that one of the members states was facing the military. cool. but it refused to do that, you know, as membership states and, and this is coming back to home. right. so i think is going to be very challenging aspect in terms of the region, because we're not just talking about the west africa region here, which is close to the left and, and there's been a 4th coup in the central african region. and that same time period period, we just have a couple of minutes left. and i'd love to hear from both of our other guests before the end of the show miss mater on what do you think about the suggestion that was needs to actually have a sort of an armed unit which works in the region. i mean, would that help improve security in the region?
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so again, i would really question against these kind of recommendations. first of all, it does have a stand by force. it actually made reference to the possibility of activating the stand by force, which isn't something that would be a step in the right direction. so i would actually, i completely challenge what they just just said. the worst thing that's going to happen right now in this were a major security. crazy happening is on top of the national government. and army has been fighting to have these groups and form for them to also have to fight other west african, our troops. let's not forgetting the keys of money, for instance, that it was, it was member states have deployed extended numbers of troops in money to support the fight against terrorism for support. mission from 2013 and all the way until now to the 2013 with mother african lead
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a shipping mission and then, and then until now to them, it's not so political who's are a political issue, a military issue that that should be crushed. this has been tried in the past and it resulted in massive, massive damage to say thank you for that. and i'm just going to give this to gay. the last word here, what is it going to take both for the security situation to improve and booking a fossil and the role of echo was in, in the west african region brittany, this, the programs have to be fixed by the book, not be themselves. this is in general and it has to be fixed by the book in a b. that's korea. secondly, of course there, but i think 3 things need to be mentioned quickly. first is porker me, one does presented, but governance leads to me to go and leads to the necessity to bring about
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good governance in economic management of the countries. second, there is the need for the rule of road to be respected in primitive, across the region. and so i do believe the time is come to create a new brand new. this is more appealing for a call was in the should be called the west african organization because the cost is no, no the an economy organization is handling democracy, environment, energy, peacekeeping, all the other issues. so they need to change the name because it was created in 1975 to be just economic organization. it is no longer in economic organization. it doesn't move, need to be taken into account to create a new debate, wanted regional competition to make a new engine block or a 100 or to program. be more serious. that, of course is read the bus to mr. gay. thank you very much for that. and thank you to all of i guess adam gay,
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