gates to catch up with richer countries in the block, brazilian immigrant edi. conciliate. a doesn't believe the next government will do much better when we pull, each gate won't look good. but for me, the politics is the same all over the world, but a politician's fight to hold the country back and not being for tillman, it's a fight for power. who will win that power and what they'll do with it has many here uneasy about the future. adarine al jazeera, lisbon. ah, to have a quick check of the top stories here at this hour. one of the biggest storms to hit the eastern us in decades is battering 10 states with heavy snow, strong winds and bitter cold. at least a 100000 people have lost power and more outages are expected. and bases crisp alone has worn out from boston. we have endured about 18 hours of heavy snow and heavy wind here in the city of boston. and thankfully,

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the news continues here now to 0 after inside story statement. thanks a lot bye for now. ah, aguilar suspends another of its members in response to a qu, looking of fossil joints, molly and guinea of west african blocks vandalism. but so far that approach has made little impact, so as eco are suffering from a crisis of credibility. this is inside story. ah

hello and welcome to the program. i'm elizabeth brought him in doha. the suspension of another country from equifax is raising questions about the organization's response to clues of the past 18 months. west africa as main regional block removed burkina faso days after the army over through president roche cowboy. it stopped short of sanctions for now. recent cozen, gideon, mani, had seen both countries sanctioned and suspended by ache was, but it's done little to sway the behavior of military leaders in either nation. and the hard line approach seems to have backfired in monte, where the gender has rallied, support around claims. that echo was, is a bully. as alger 0, as nicholas hart reports from walker, dooku is a similar mood and booking faso. there's been a muted reaction to the latest decision by the west african body echo was it was something that many here expected. some are waiting to see what will happen next.

but frankly, overall people here simply don't care. the institution has lost a level of credibility in the eyes of many here and seen as clubs to protect the interests of aging president, rather than protecting the interests of the people it will in principle, the suspension of burkina faso sets in motion the possibility of sanctions and treat them as outcast. there has been 3 military coups in the region. there has been sanctions put in place in neighboring countries, but that has done little to stop the trade in the region or sway those who are leaders to change their ways. at the heart of what we're seeing right now is a crisis in the democratic institution. people no longer trust the way that democracy is being played out in the region. whether it be here in brooklyn, fossil in molly, or in guinea, where we've seen military coup, people want to see some sort of change in the way that they are lead nicholas hawk

in walker too, for inside story. ah, well for more on this i'm john via i guess in bama code is ornell or more to run head of these i had program foot institute for security studies and in london we have david auto director of geneva center for africa, a very warm welcome to both of you and miss water and i'll start with you and bama co won't booking us a book in a faso, suspension by echo was from echo was have any impact on the military's actions? well, i'm not in a direct way. suspension is one of those extremely minimal measures that a course takes in this kind of circumstances. but most direct impact it will have is the mattie political in to some extent symbolic. the main point of this suspension is to make sure that on the one hand, it course affirms

a principles position against clues. and on the other hand, also to make sure that the country that's, that's being affected babies to doesn't get to have a say in the organization's decision making. so this isn't in any way or a decision that's directly related to the military capacity of either book. you know, or partners as of now. all right, mr. auto echo, as late as we'll meet again, i believe next week to assess the outcome of their mission to book you know, fast. so they are traveling there today and see whether additional sanctions should be imposed. but if we have a look at what's been happening in the region and with a cross in recent months, if we look at molly, the significant sanctions there have had no impact whatsoever on the military. why

is that? and do you think that that's something that could influence a courses course of actions in book, in a foster you correct the you know, the outcome of the decision that was made in terms of the specialty molly and how it's laid out will be the back of his mind in terms of, you know, was the kind of suspension that, you know, the can see that for booking. if you've got to remember that from a geopolitical perspective, booking has a boundary with mother which is not a member of equal us. so i think you can see 3 shutting down. it was a boy that's been money will not be impacted because of course, money has withdrawn itself from us. i think you know, the only area where they get some leverage will be the boundary. so i, because you know, but again, you know,

how much impact will close inbound boundaries be how, how would that impact on. ready the military don't, so they have to really consider very carefully because of course, it was losing a lot of credibility. who is we've seen, you know, the fact that money is meeting against the sumption. therefore, gives some level of hope for the book in a base to perhaps repeat this in big member. this is a repetition of what the ministry don't that money. deed is the same thing that we see in the case of booking the ministry on the very clear and you know, said it was because of the inability of the democratic mental, oppressive in korea to see and talked about the strategy. so i kind of think it was very challenging position,

right. what do today and let's see how that out. but it's likely that you have any kind of leverage that will, you know which the ministry don't have to rescind you know, to the court. i think we almost, you know, on a given here for it was the trust that comes in that really, really interesting and i do want to talk about was his influence, its legitimacy. it's credibility more. but miss moran, if i can put to you just how much of a conundrum is echo was and given again, you know, the sanctions that they imposed. and molly, if anything, the sort of support that we saw on the streets for the government in molly, for the transitional government. and molly, because the sanctions will be in as was seen as being just so punishing. and that

actually could that lead to support for the transitional government. and again, how will and has that influenced what's happened in booking fossil? there are several things i think we need not to mix here. and i was just say by my so the beta the various neighbors a so that's are actually part of a lesson. this includes mission. and so that's one thing that i think one fact that we should get straight. and the 2nd element, i think is that although there is a very listenable temptation to compare margin situation with looking at the one we are at very different stages in this crisis, the transition in magic has been going on for 18 months. and the position of a quasi sanction which took place almost 3 weeks ago, happened towards the end of the previously agreed transition period.

which means that essentially the manual government conditional government had committed initially to bring in the conditions when ended by now, and was eventually sanction when it's pulled back from that commitment. now right now in working at best, we are only a few days less than a week from the. so there is a notion of, you know, progression in the way sanctions are being implemented. a course has announced indeed that today they will be sending a well 2 separate missions, one with military officials to figure out the security environment and stakeholders, and another one that will be much more political it's, it's important. i think that we take the time to look into how these stations are going to play out. first of all, how the dialogue is being to evolve between

a class and then you know, people holding working as we speak. now of course in the current and environment in the region, the fact that, you know, as you mentioned, a sanctions that were recently imposed in man, i had a very, an in, i mean the heads up there is some impact in terms of decreasing back in popularity . of a course is definitely something that shows the organising will have to be careful in the way to advances in order not to not to oppose sha public opinion. let's put some of those points now to a 3rd guess joining our discussions now from casablanca, as adam, a gay political analysts specializing in this a hell and west africa. and mr. gay is also the former director of information for echo us. mr. gave welcome to the program and let me put some of that that which we've been discussing to you. echo us leaders are on their way to book in

a far so just how much confidence do you think that they will be arriving with to find a way out of the situation that bertina faso finds itself. and now at least we can find some wisdom in this approach that they are having we're looking for. so a contrary to whether the faggot on monday, when the just imposed contingent functions, economic and financial on monday, at least this time around the i've sent people who can talk to the school because military, in order to see why they have decided to move and proper the civilian president, rockmart cavalry, that's a good move. secondly, to send a political demon from a cost or so at this early stage is also a good move, at least to have a proper assessment to get it from the horse's mouth. instead of just taking

a decision union actually by leaders, we're really out of context of the reality of what's going on in the countries or making up the community. so will they change the situation? will they, for the military to withdraw? i don't think so because the military is booking for so in money and also in good canada and across west africa. they've come to the conclusion that the civilians will be in charge recently in the names of democratization process have not been delivering on results. and then it makes sense for them to move in, in order to fix the security, not only of their country to preserve also the sovereignty and disease, the legitimacy they have. and these, the but not only by the people of the countries where those who will make but also across the african continent and beyond in today. where are people, i think we want

a new independence to get rid of the political rent years when taking control of the countries and to make sure that this happened. we may have to go unfortunately, to military room. and this is not something that's on the for western forgot because remember in 1974 it put to go when do you immediately struck and did the dictatorial regime? what was called do revolution. the z that made put to that become the democrats. we celebrate today, so why not africa to change wrought and ensure that they are bringing about do objective the or we are dreaming of that showing us democratization process. not a fake one under the control of the video when making the video bush and therefore the military are rifle to counter power. and that's why the booking at the military,

they are right or so to refuse the decisions that will be imposed on them by the co us, mainly in the because they are sometimes a directed by the front and other forces behind. let me put, let that some very interesting in some would say controversial point of view. let me put that to david david auto. could this military transition? do you think? i mean, how often do military crews lead to a truly democratic transition? do you see that happening? here or is it just too early to say? i think it's difficult to make everything so we've got to treat uniquely. but do i think that the ministry would descend to any transition? i don't think so because the current situation that one of the key reasons why the military has taken the holy self or the military don't you know, to be clear on the so you but the president is that they want to be able to

stabilize the country and get rid of the archive groups that are within the country on the region. so i don't see any hopes in terms of the green party to actually be because we want that to happen. and that is why i think it will be a repeat of what is happening in muddy which, you know, was it was, has social and, you know, money has to be tell you that we the support of the nation. now, why i think, you know what, this is, go work in the base. i mean, this has to be entirely cool. one should not that it is some of his movies and it was failed to prevent that constitutional. who's that according countries that i, because with the president they had changed because edition

and we cannot, you know, we can see a situation where it was back in one form of call or sitting very quiet. and then, you know, one back in, you know, try to influence changes in the country like in the bay. so let's book, you know, they did make a decision and motor on just how much again, how much of a credibility problem does echo was have not just because of how the recent sanctions that it's imposed. and molly seemed to have backfired. but it's, you know, it's perceived silence on alteri and accesses and other countries in the region. you know what you spoke about as constitutional manipulation in places like ivory coast and guinea, a dash legitimizing, you know, the presidential term. exactly. i mean, these kind of policy spend to helping extremely controversial,

what they do believe that they project the notion that supporting a standard approach to democracy in good governance. one of the one being quite a heavy handed against, again, and substitution all changes of governments such as the military we have in now in, in madison, twice been in and now in the bathroom while on the other end being quite some complacent. in fact, when i'm with a company mingling with constitutions in order to maintain themselves from power and this was seen in may and in i, because last year, so here i think what we're seeing is a crises of the model of democracy that a crisis is promoting. which seems to be quite focused on the procedure or aspect

of democracy, having elections and making, i mean going through the various steps by the books. the products missing, perhaps in the organization's approach, is much more principles commitment to what happens between 2 elections, not just at the elections. mm hm. but the governance that happens between the 5 years also that's run from one election to the other. how, how transparent, how accountable, how attentive to public needs. exactly. governments are. this is something where there is a high level of public demand, and where it says mediation has been limited and so not ok. so mr. gay, i want to bring you in here because, you know, you are in the unique position to tell us about the inner workings of echo was he word of you're the former director of information for echo was. so how is it got to this point where, you know, the leading west african economic block has such a crisis of credibility is so obvious,

a former director of communication, of course, i'm currently living in political exam because in my own country synagogue with democratic rules. and the freedom of expressions are respected. i will get it for no reason, really good reason by the government of mucky fellow who doesn't respect the rules . so this is an indication that is not only in the countries of the for experience really to the good of this is happening with in west africa and go there for that course is a credibility program bill my mind and i figured in 1993 or $9094.00, i wrote it in the west african but it is i created when i was at a go with the name of course it needs to be change because the community was created in may 1975 on the 20 it may 1975 to handle the economy issues in the midst of the cold war when the war, the country's making it,

would you budget for ideological reasons? now this post called war the brand new, the cost is our digit right for you and saying that the concept itself is outdated and it's no longer fit for purpose. let me, let me put that to david also because there have been 3 military clues in west africa in the past 18 months. again, if equity is facing such a serious credibility problem, what does that mean for stability in the region? i think there is to, to chaos and you know, i am afraid that we can see for the countries in west africa, looking at these 1000000 book in a bay and give the template and thinking, okay, we can, we can do the same, you know, remember you know us, my cool polity said it was, isn't economic community over west africa, you know,

and he has no standing army so he cannot enforce. busy to a live that, you know, you can deter all the countries from doing the same. i mean, even if course were serious what they would have done as a regional body would have been to, you know, come up with a course army that will be deployed in any event that one of their member states was facing admitted to coo. but they refused to do that, you know, as membership states and, and this is coming back to home that right. so i think is going to be very challenging aspect denzel's your distributor region, because we're not just talking about west of the region here, which is horace. close to the city, lost our region. so, and there's been a 4th, a crew in the central african region. and in that same time period period, we just have a couple of minutes left and i'd love to hear from both of our other guests before the end of the show miss mater on what do you think about the suggestion that echo has needs to actually have a sort of an armed unit,

which works in the region. i mean would that help improve security in the region? so again, i would really question against these kind of recommendations. first of all, it does have a stand by force. it actually made reference to the possibility of activating the stand by force, which isn't something that would be a step in the right direction. so i would actually, i completely challenge what they just just said. the worst thing that can happen right now in this were a major security. crazy happening is on top of the national government. and army has been fighting to have these groups and one for them to also have to fight other west african our troops. let's not forgetting the keys of money, for instance, that it was, it was member states have deployed extended numbers of troops in money to support

the fight against terrorism on supports that mission from 2013 and all the way until now to 2013 with a fist mother african lead a shipping mission and then, and then until now to that, it's not so political who's are a political issue, a military issue that, that should be crushed. this has been tried in the past and it resulted in massive, massive damage to say thank you for that. and i'm just going to give this to gay. the last word here, what is it going to take place for the security situation to improve and booking a fossil and the role of echo was in, in the west african region brittany, this, the programs have to be fixed by the book cannot be themselves. this is in general, and it has to be fixed by the book in a b. that's korea. secondly, of course there,

but i think 3 things need to be mentioned quickly. first, if porker me, one does pres the age, but governance leads to me to go. and this leads to the necessity to bring about good governance in economic management of the countries. second, there is the need for rule of road to be respected in primitive, across the region. and so i do believe the time is come to create a new brand new. this is more appealing for a call was in the should be called the west african organization. because the cost is no, no, the an economy organization is handling democracy, environment energy for peacekeeping, all the other issues. so they need to change the name because it was created in 1975 to be just economic organization. it is no longer an economy organization. it doesn't move, need to be taken into account to create a new debate, wanted regional competition to make a new engine block or

a 100 or to program be more serious that, of course, is the bus to mr guy. thank you very much for that. and thank you to all of i guess adam gay, or nancy moran and david auto. and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com, and for further discussion they go to our facebook page that facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter, handle it at ha, inside story, from me, elizabeth toronto, and the whole team here, bye for now. ah

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