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a fracture or hurt a french for white politics, marilla, pen health party members. they are free to leave, after bitter personal rivalries burst back into the open. couldn't give a momentum to an even more radical candidate ahead of elections. this is inside story. ah, ah, hello and welcome to the program. i'm jetty navigator in dell hom, party defections and family and fighting or threatening one of the most recognizable faces in french for right politics. marina pan has told supporters to
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quit. now if they want officer to you, parliament politicians left the national rally movement. and now her niece, who's popular among right wingers, says le pans rival, eric moore, would make a better presidential candidates, the parent and the more are battling it out to face the current president. to many, what about home was expected to run again in april election. she definitely go and i think once again we can switch sides, but it should be done now because we have 70 days remaining before a major event for the future. and having people who pretend to be, hey, why their hall is elsewhere, is that it is a total lack of dignity. i respect always, all our supporters who are fighting with all their conviction with hall, with courage, but also towards all our voters, to whom we should have an attitude of loyalty or family feuds or nothing new. when the pan dynasty marine has cost with her father is on the reasons 2011 when she took control of what was then called the national front. 4 years later,
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she threw him out of the party he co founded after he repeated false and inflammatory comments about the holocaust. in 2017 marina pan was decisively beaten by him. anyway, my call and the run off presidential votes. and since then, hard liners and her party believe she's drifted too far towards the mainstream, and they prefer air exam more. this month he was finds more than $11000.00 for hate speech. over remarks he made about young migrants. ah, the sabri and our guest. joining us from paris is missy reagan. if his associate ologist and professor at the university of paris 8th and brussels, peter clippy, editor of brussels report. you and from saint mallow and northwestern france, we are jack ra long. who's a senior research fellow at the global policy institute. welcome to the entire story. thanks so much for joining jack alone. how big a political blow is it for marina pen when her niece murray says that the far right
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rifle or exam more is a better candidate describing her and lacking logic on vision. yeah, it's a big blow to night. and then definitely because it shows that many people seemed at the marina then as no chance of winning the selection. and because his 1st firm time, she's been a candidate that she has no future. and already we can see that some of the senior members, not many at the moment, but many are thinking not, not media declare themselves are moving towards 0, think ease of better prospect for the future. because when he bore on the far right, i've integrated the fact that there were not with the selection. and that my call is probably going to be late. and after that is time, it will be, it will need to a total recon position of debris to go to landscape after that add day. want to
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position themselves in order to create a big fall right party, including members of the foreigners, tional and dirt re conquests, movement of it exam, who and you can think even that they can see and then next, but then she'll need her date next candidate in 2027 her that they're thinking of money or money. shandra bend is she's a galler for already started. we can field at dirt plates are moving and that sir, they're thinking more. do you think the game is up for the selection and your thinking more of what after? okay, let sir put some of these thoughts to peter over in brussel. so do you agree that the path is losing, sorry for voter base to other candidates? like as i move, i mean the latest pulling that i've seen at least is that as a more, as pulling right now at 11 and a half percent. well, absolutely,
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and he has been falling higher before. the thing is he still has not officially declared. he still needs to secure the support of $500.00 mirrors, the signatures actually, and that's still taking a bit. he's confident he will get them. i'm not sure how certain that is. but that's an important factor. now i think the big difference between le pen and some moore is mostly actually on the economics. a pen has managed to convince the all the left wing electrodes, for example, in the what they called the rust belts in the north of france will bear, for example. whereas moore is somebody who is more popular among the center rights whose economic discourse is more in favor of free market policy is not always, he can be protectionist as well. he's french, after all, but i think that's a big difference and,
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and that's also the reason why some people believe that he has a better chance done then le pen, because they think he's able to also reach out to some center, right, voters. so if it would be a run of 2 more crow, i don't think he's completely without a chance actually because of that. okay, now sarah, over to you, i mean this in fighting within a marina pens party is, is nothing really new as we've been saying. but how does that impact her chances in the upcoming election? well, 1st of all, i would like to maybe refrain the conversation we are having. we're not so much talking about, you know, the business. as usual. there are elections in france. we are speaking of the over common sasha isn't in front, which is really when is much more and you're absolutely right. and that is, that is what we are going to get into. but 1st i just wanted to get your take on how this impacts the election. so i think that doesn't
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really impact what it in fact is the future of my knowledge. i live in. i think she's already playing the next game, which is 2027. and this is what i told to your journalist when we spoke. and because of that, she knows that she'd better play the sim card, done her own scar. because our home doesn't have much of a chance to, to get to the 2nd round. ok. and now onto your important point that you raised, and that is the rise of far right parties in france. an era how strong is in front is the right wing political movement. i think it has always been, and it's about time that we stop calling them extreme right or far right. it's a fashion that never really disappeared from the french political scene. it was there as a stronger that war since the,
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the end of the 19th century. and how come back through the loop. and father urge will not open an interesting me since then, 984 since he started to win elections. there was this way of promising his position, his presence by non mentioning that his this has to do with a long history of fascism in france. so what, so concerning right now is the fact that this has become completely accepted, completely accommodated in the, in the french political spectrum. and nobody really wants to measure and to weigh the real influence and the rain danger that this and tails for the french society in the decades to come, jack or law, a 3rd of the electorate are saying that they are planning to vote for a far right candidate, how do you explain the rise of the far right and what do you put it down to?
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mice been coming for quite a while? no, sir, i said to come back. now. the come back is as been there already, even before her or yet her far i'd say are nearly with mine le pena to close to 20 percent. and that within the republicans there was a very strong, a strong brand or so. oh, are free obsessions? you know, is security immigration and he's some distract, has been present into a government right among deliver bigger. i lighted by someone in x, u, g will, can 2nd devote to desire to choose the candidate beander b i and are valuable because so dis, hard, right? brand close to the far right to the national front, as been there for many years. don't forget that the campaign of sherlock in 2002
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was based on that and that's how, that's why that's what brought to depend to the 2nd round vestry. every one surprised that image, it just spun. so this thing is debt and that's why what's happening at the moment is quite interesting. if or if my call was to win or do next election is seems to be in a fairly good position, but it's a dot. now we have to wait 7 days for the 1st run, then door, right? we'll have to ask directly, good, could be in be pro and could explode because we can see at the moment, within the republican movement, you have to brands. and one is quite tempted to ally with the far, wide, with people exec will. and melinda bent up to now, this been what it called, according to sunny day, the senator record war between the 2. but now we think that this war is becoming, or is, is becoming filler and fina,
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and that many people. and as why da 0 project is there 0 in his meetings, does a dog by the and so much as a real composition of da, right? e was to her kind of shape race, right? which includes people from his cap and from i in the bed. and many people are coming from the right of the republican party. so that's what is at stake at the moment, the future of the right and could we have a bigger fusion between many republicans and the right. why the soft republicans would probably be tempted to go more towards michael. so is the continuation of the, the can the wrecking border? my call roche in 2017 is already smashed de left, smashed, or white in bart. but it is of progress. it is a process which is
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a carrying on and which puts an end to what we've known in a fit for a public good left, right? divide right. could now lead to more a saw right. okay. center, right seater, that heaters you take on this and specifically on someone like air exam. more who as you are very well aware and described by some as, as the donald trump or a france. i mean, is it that his ideas appeal to a part of the electorate, peter, or are people then fed up with the status quo? well, i do think he's innovative in the sense that he has a sort of different take compared to modern le pen. a 1st of all, very important thing about the mood is that he's an immigrant himself. he's a jewish immigrant from algeria who is, you could say perfectly assimilated in france. and i think this is important to understand his program because what he's really keen for is to tackle this kind of
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parallel societies that you have not only in france, but in many, many european countries. and i think that that's a problem, that many people from the left to the right recognize as, as an issue. now, the solution for debts, according to the more is, let's say, the traditional approach of the french state, which you could argue in some respects is quite a to retiree. and i think it's too easy to brand us as fascist. it's, it's not a precise label. i think he makes some, some good points also from a civil rights perspective. for example, he wants to strengthen the property rights of people that are the victim of squatters. but indeed in some respects, you could argue that he goes too far. for example, he has a radical comments, peter? yes. so for example, an example that's often cited is that he,
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once it's to be illegal to give your child a name that is not on an approved list 1st name. so he would allow people to keep their surname to refer to, to be able to refer to their routes, but to adopt to force them to adopt a french name of french 1st name in order to stimulate assimilation. now, i mean, i think you can put very big question marks with that proposal, even if that was already law in france before until the early ninety's and even and in some other countries you have similar regulations so. so that's, that's indeed i think problematic. i think he has this typical deep belief in the power of the states to promote things like assimilation, which i think is a goal that many people agree with. but that's, it's perhaps naive to think that with the, the power of the state,
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you can achieve that. i mean, the reason for the lack of integration off of migrants, not only in france, but in many european societies. mean, did this go much, this goes much more deep than right? or simply the lack of, of state action as you morris, at least. let me, let me just bring in a seat or because a 0 excuse me. i did see you shaking your head as peter is speaking, go ahead. i can really disapprove with everything that has been said and actually lies very good example of how i can the day things are more into the field of politics is being done just before i spoke. i mean, saying that, you know, he's having this quite acceptable proposals and that this is not fascism. of course, it is. and fashion that has been elected time. and again, not only in the us a few years ago, but also in germany and elsewhere. so how can you say this is not fashion? and i think that he would say that muslims is not any random 1st names that are
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supposed to be banned from france is muslin 1st name. so the fact that the he, he's not an immigrant, by the way, if i may just suggest that he was part of the root patch, radiation of french jews from algeria at the end of the julian war for independence and in an anti colonial war. so it is more knows exactly what it means to have a christian 1st name because this was imposed on his community the jews so that they can be assimilated to the anti symmetric european frame. so i mean, you know the squad strange that you would just say that he's out in good ideas right here and here. i mean, i'll just put the ending. excuse me, just let me finish because these 2 men have spoken very long sir. ok, ok, go ahead. go ahead. so. so, so yes, please. so what i want to say is that the move is bending the reality to resume
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code 1st and to zone goals. he is not trying to be constructive in any way in a society that is multicultural, which he refuses to as a note, which is also very open to good to many different kind of religions and, and experiences and culture. and this is working much better than you would think, but allow me ok, we've heard you allow me. just allow me for a moment. let me put this to you. i mean, let's just, if we just don't focus on some more, but focus in fact on a lot of the candidates who have promised to take tough lines on immigration and security in front, this is according to an ip. so school majority of people say they don't feel at home like they used to 62 percent. there are too many immigrants, 64 percent of people felt like there is a need for a strong leader to reestablish law and order in a sera. so this is the general feeling amongst some people who have been pulled in
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france. yes, that's interesting that they will want to, to appeal to a more order society in the past years. most of the disorder that has happened during the mandate and the term of emmanuel mac, who were due to reforms that are neal liberal, such as the reforms for changes for retirement and the yellow vast. these are not immigrants that were on the street fighting for their rights, and this is where the state has a strong, very hard on them in order to get to prevent them from expressing their rights. so if this is disorder, then it's disorder that is being brought by new liberalism and not by immigration. ok. so if they are against immigration, this is a general trend in europe. it's not, it's not specific to french people. and this is something that is being opposed by
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all international organizations, such as in the united nations, the european tribune, all for rights. everybody is asking why friends is acting so harshly on immigrants . so now they're, there. we are at the crossroads in order to understand whether front becomes this more and more racist. and so i see in this exception is about or if we're are to move to a more open society. ok. europe when it comes to a new election. thank you for bringing up your because let me put that to peter peter. if we look at the possible scenarios going forward and let's say of course, president micro himself hasn't announces official candidacy, but should he win a 2nd term when it comes to france's relations with the e u. what we see under a micro presidency more of the same. oh, well, yeah. so if moran gets selected,
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he's of course, let's say the most pr, your opinion of all the candidates. i think he's gonna try to consolidate some of the initiatives that have happened under his watch. for example, the you recovery funds so more, more centralization of power. maybe he's going to try to have a pen european election law with europe in election lists. a mood oral append would be elected, then it would be different. but i think in both cases, they have already, at least in the case of le pen dramatically watered down and used to be against the euro. she has no longer defacto. busy mood has also made clear as far as i could figure out because it's still early days to know what the exec exactly once he has sort of pledged not to deal too much with the use so. so even with the more i think . yeah, he would definitely block more centralization of power at the level,
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but i don't think he's going to focus all that much on the you. he's going to focus his efforts and policies domestically on the issue of, of integration of, of migrants which is not, which is his number one. ok, political political issue is accurate are in your opinion, if you look at an air exam, more presidency, for example, i mean, just add on what to peter was saying, he said that he will not advocate for effects it. he'll try to renegotiate the sang an agreement, but if necessary, he says he'll withdraw from the european commission convention, excuse me, on human rights. that's according to reports. i mean, is this something that's going to appeal to voters and we're here to fix your politics. they will not be the next president of france. no, we're not in the event. that is a fact. i can tell you now that they have no chance whatsoever. the only want was a chance of b g emmanuel,
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my call is valerie. pick trace ok and very big class is doing a balancing act between c o t. napoleon or so making your school speech about you migration on the sobbing security. hello. hi marina. right now. she's pulling as high as marina pen right now. yeah, no big deal. no, produce eviction. what about just is who is going to come 2nd after michael and i hope will come 1st. the 1st from now the game is about will comes figure. will it be night? the more will not come. second, continue that. so now the game is between 9 and very pixel. ok? it's in the interest of many of valerie because that is the moon pours as high as possible because it will take voters of not a little bit, which is that's actually quite the case that it was not enough. and it's very stable at about 1818 percent with very big a 16 and off. so okay,
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let me just bring a note for a final word because we run out of time to write a final word to you. are you optimistic about the future of french politics? no, i'm not really up to mystic, especially if we could, if we can bond accommodating the reality of racing and leading the ideas. i'm the and the agenda of our politicians in france. i think we are in a very bad shape and probably for not only this election, but if it moves on to the far right and to the fascist ideas that can be accommodated, then it might be also be a very hard time in 2027. okay, i'll leave it there. thank you so much, sir, for joining us. no, sir. again f o peter clip as acro law, we thank you for your time. thank you for watching. you can see the program again. any time by visiting our website, al jazeera dot com for further discussion, you can go to our facebook page, that's facebook dot com,
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