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course used as a backdrop for the 1993 hollywood film starring bill murray, which is the only reason i know how to pronounce that town this year. phil predicted that 6 more weeks of winter, just as a huge sway that the u. s. is told to brace for a major winter storm bringing heavy snow and freezing rain on tuesday night. blue. and now the top stories on al jazeera, the military stand off over ukraine, is escalating with the u. s. president deploying thousands of american troops. the eastern europe. 2000 us soldiers will head to poland and germany, and 1000 will be repositioned to romania. the u. s. and nato already have tens of thousands of troops in europe. the pentagon says the move sends a strong signal to russia, which continues to deny that it's planning an invasion. and that,
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despite the presence of more than 100000 russian troops near ukraine's border, a kremlin says the west is trying to law russia into a war insisting its concerns about nato's eastward expansion has been ignored. we do not know if russia has made a final decision to further they'd ukraine, but it clearly has that capability. the department of defense will continue to support diplomatic efforts, led by the white house and the state department to press for resolution. we do not believe conflict is inevitable. united states in lockstep with our allies in partners has offered russia a path to deescalate. but we will take all prudent measures to assure our own security and that of our allies. a militia roof, armed with guns and machetes, has attacked a camp for internally displaced people in the mccrass's republic of congo, killing at least 72 people. many of the casualties are reported to be women and
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children fighters from the corporate for the development of the congo known as a codec, or are suspected of being responsible for the killings in eastern into the province . kidney be sounds, government says 11 people were killed in tuesday's attack on the presidential palace, which was seen as an attempted coup. among the dead were 4 civilians, several attackers and members of the presidential guard president to madison by lo, survived. what he says was an attempt to kill him along with the prime minister and cabinet. he believes the 5 hour attack was linked to drugs, trafficking, rather than an attempt to overthrow him phone. all those stories on our web site. there it is. al jazeera adult, come stay with us, the stream is next. i'll have more news for you in half an hour. thanks for watching me. ah
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ah ah hi for me. ok to down the stream. what's next of kin a fast so off the last week who the top of the country democratic elected president . if you're joining us on youtube, you can use your comments and i live chat and be part of today's program. ah, rising public anger over the country security crisis help fuel the january 24th qu, bikini faso. the constitution has now been restored and the military has named coolie, the lieutenant colonel. poor henri and thou,
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god damn uber interim president, odyssey was nicholas hark, picked up the story from walter who were in row called the avenue of the revolution . and the building that you see right next to me is what is left of the national assembly were stormed in popular uprising in 2014 and look at it. you can see the bullet marks on the building. they've left it like that so that this building serves as a reminder of attacker prices paid by people to restore democracy in this country. it also serves as a reminder to leaders that they are accountable to the people fast forward to today and know that this time led by lieutenant colonel over me. but in an address to the nation, he says that he's not going to quash the democratic achievement. that has been made in the last 8 years and says it'll be freedom of speech and independent justice system. so why this cou then? well, this country is facing attacks from arm groups linked to al qaeda and iso, and they're gaining grounds. almost 2000000 people have been displaced in this
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country. 3.5000000 people are an urgent need of humanitarian assistance. some of them have sought safety. here in the capital walk, i didn't call them civilians to take up arms. some say dialogue is a solution that these are ok to fighters are iso fighters only by name. they are in fact driven not by id ology, but by poverty in areas where the state has largely been. meanwhile, the west african body echo us has suspended burkina faso. it sees this latest who has a set back to democracy that has seen a series of coons in the region. there has been though criticism of the institution . it's seen by many as a president club, more interested in protecting its own interests than the interests of the people there is here at the heart of what we're seeing, our crisis of trust in democracy, in the way that it's being played out in these various countries. including burkina
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faso, nicholas hawk in we're going to go for the stream diane conversation today to really unpack what is happening in the keen a fast i from down on the ground. we have the sun and we have ha marie. really nice to have basically with as a son, please introduce yourself to asking audience. tell them who you are, what you do where come back to us and just them i went and, and me nice to have here on the street. please introduce yourself to o'clock when you get to have it. so my name's henry, i'm a journalist. i've been based in hawaii to became for so for 2 years now. i'm a freelance work in television and i'm radio and it's really been covering the security situation here. for, for a couple of years now. so, i mean, because harper did as a special story for a special report fashion. we were just watching right there for us at the beginning of the week. and really showing us what was happening on the ground in his analysis
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of what led to the qu, if you could take me a routing day, what is the most fair like? what's happening? yeah, i mean, since the key took place, things really calm down on the streets of why get to you on the, on the monday or last week when, when the key was happening? i mean, there were some soldiers on the street or taken over the national broadcaster and so on, but really the following day, this is all side to, to dissipate. things are calm now. today is a national football team is, is competing in the b at. com for football tournament and you know, people are, people are turning out on the streets to, to watch that and venues around the, around the city. and yeah, i mean, if you, if you were to just go out on to the street so i could see you can, you really wouldn't notice that much had changed. i'm wondering about the reaction
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because on some of the reaction videos that i saw from people in the streets, there were rush and flags people were celebrating. the qu had happened. does that give us a sense of the public's opinion of the coo? yeah, absolutely. so i mean, the day after the queue happened, several 1000 people did turn out on the street so far, like the plastic national merit, where many demonstrations are take place. and what was interesting was the demonstrations, which a, which happened before the, before the key had been stopped from happening in class. the la nation by local police were talking about demonstrations to show support for the military and protest. the former governments are handling of security in the country. i mean, these were protest demonstrations that were put down, you know, with the use of force tear gas and so on. and so seeing this for the square fill
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for the 1st time and it was a, you know, you really gave you an idea that something had changed. and, you know, a lot of people were, were out on the streets and showing a lot of support for the, for the new military government. i mean, something else that was really striking was that we even saw people waving russian flags that the demonstrations to celebrate the cute, the day after which um yeah, for all sorts of reasons has raised a lot of questions. it's brought into the kind of national conversation here in bikini fast. so this whole thing of whether the existing or status quo i'm with international partners in terms of security is really working, you know, became faster. it's been working closely with, with france on security matters like the last,
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the last 56 years. and the fact the security really hasn't improved has led some people to stop wondering if there needs to be a shake up of between a faster those international military partners, which has led some people to, to look towards possibly russia. i want to bring in any advice into our conversation, this is daniel and that is a research fellow at the african center for strategic studies at cal to read it a question here. immediate impact of the military cooking fossa is just one of disruption and diversion. the diversion of attention, a diversion of resources, diversion of personnel and confusion around the situation and who's really in charge in the long terms. this presents opportunities for difference arm the groups criminal groups to take advantage of that confusion and further embed in terms themselves and the houses in working process countryside. this will make
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confronting that more complicated presents a greater challenge and ultimately results in pessimistic outlook. 2 things that i'm really interested in picking up on on one is who's really in charge start without yes. so i mean, i think the, the, it's pretty clear that the pull on read to me as he said, has, has taken control. i mean, the, the army is very much now in control of bikini facets is swept away this democratic government, which was in place for um, for 6 years or so. yes, the army is in is in control of the, of the politics of bikini faster and certainly the major towns and cities, but venture outside into the outside of the large towns and cities into the countryside. and you know, i stay control is really just fallen away and v, as i said,
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the conflict between our groups linked to al qaeda and sammy state has been going on for for 6 years now. and in the more remote parts of the country side it's, it's not the states in control. it's not the army that's in control. they're fighting a losing battle. and these aren't groups are the ones that are, you know, have free run of the place and to a certain degree they are at least attempting to carry out certain functions of the state in their own way. so yeah, in short, answer to your question, i mean the, the military, it seems now control the, the major towns and cities in the country side it's, it's the alt greets i want to bring in this, this 20, this is from she got a man who knew that we were doing this program to day. and on this tweet he brings up some of the issues that i want you to unpack for us, henry. and he talks about the dire human security conditions in bikini fuzzy that
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they're complex. there's food insecurity, there's a social tensions as, as political tension as well. people use that phrase, insecurity or lack of security. what does that really mean, henry? if you're going to take a somewhere, show a someplace, explain how people behave. that is such a threat that people welcomed some of them. welcome to qu, yeah, i mean, as the size of our in the country side, we're talking about small villages and so on, where they don't see any evidence of the state really. i mean they, so security forces don't make their way to many of these villages or other functions of the state luggage. additionally, and so on, don't apply their rule of law or is, is weak there. so what that means is that these aren't groups are essentially able
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to ride into these villages on motor bikes, unhindered, harass the local people, try to implement elements of serial law. they start preaching of the mosques there, and i thought giving an idea to the, to the local people have what they don't want to see. and if they don't feel like people don't follow these rules, they know and they for and then with violence. and often this whiten this threat, turns into a very real attacks where, where these, these turret groups right into the, to the villages and really just massacre people. i mean, middle of last year in june. so the largest attack since became fast. those conflicts began where a 106, the civilians at the very least, were killed that not. he's in the whole gold mine in the, in the north of the country. and, yeah, i mean, as you right, he said it's, it's
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a complex thing. i mean developments in these areas of the country is really lacking as well. so, you know, people are people, it's a big push factor for people to join these arms groups as well. the fact that they've just been neglected by the government and, and something else that we're seeing in these areas of the country is vigilante groups starting out as well. so, you know, these, these groups are not part of the state, but at least they're able to provide some kind of law and order out within these, these parts of the country where, where the state has fallen away. they're not as bad as the, it's the terror creeps, run, operating in some parts of the country. but even these vigilantes have provide a kind of brutal justice. she has a on her for human rights,
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are bad human rights, right. to say the least. yes. her thoughts, we have some questions on the chair from our audience watching right now had me. so this one at one job quite simply. how are the people doing? is there a sense of getting back to normal? whatever normal is. and we don't answer quite yet because i want to go to hell. and hydro is really concerned about the civilians. we spoke a little bit earlier and this is what she sent us immediately after the back of ages for yet, please pick up the current situation. ember can i so following the crew is likely to increase the amount of human suffering that we have witnessed since 2018 . at the end of last year that 4700000 people were in need of humanitarian aid. and about 1500000 people were forcibly displeased, so the protection of civilians and the unrestricted delivery of humanitarian aid should be at the center of every decision buddies. and it will be made that there
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can i fossil in the coming days, weeks and months. yeah, and so, i mean there isn't a sense that the things are getting back to normal. i mean, as you're right, the said, there's a huge humanitarian crisis going on in the country. more than one half 1000000 people have already been displaced by the by the conflict. yeah, i mean the, the, the humanitarian side of things is, is only getting worse. i mean, i've spoken to humanitarians in the last week or so you say they're protecting the number of people in need of a need of a in between fast so it could be as high as 2200000 by by the summer. so yeah, i mean, and the other thing is the visibility of the, of the space people has been
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a real problem as well with the previous government. there was this, this kind of truck, human relationship between the humanitarian ministry in particular, the humanitarian organizations that were working in between a faster, which has been well documented. and in fact, the humanitarian ministry implemented a ban on journalist visiting id p site throughout the country from 2020, which came in the wake of a report which reported on gender based violence happening within id p sites, which, you know, obviously the humanitarian ministry of became fast i saw this is very bad press for them, and this is what kind of triggered this is panel journalists visiting id p site. so, you know, when the message of this human, the images of this humanitarian crisis,
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there's no way for them to, to get out into the broader thought international community. then that has made the situation worse for the space people in became faster. now, as i say, this was under the, the previous democratic government, all of the ministers who were part of that government have now been removed from their positions of lieutenant colonel to me, but to power last week. and so it really remains to be seen of whether this relationship that they became faster has with the media and with humanitarian groups who have complains that the the state has made their operations difficult as i'm improved, i think that would be a real stress off the new merchants, you mentioned it became
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a faster relationship with the media, which is a really good point to bring back lesson lesson at. thank you so much for your patience. i hear there's a little funny game going on right now, which may well have degraded our internet connection with you. and so i'm so glad that you're back with us. why? so our lesson will you just briefly introduce yourself to it so that they remember who you are with respect to that you're coming from guide. dr. la, san woodrow, a teacher as an adjunct professor in one of the private schools here, univers, delivery, booking. i also teacher at university do about group, but i am also mostly doing research on the ground here and interrupting we were a lot of folks who own obviously come here either ours media expert or recess expert trying to understand the situation on the ground here over the past 6 months, the sun, there is a debate and many debate that's going on on the line right now on youtube right now as, as our audience are watching this show. so peter, for instance,
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says if the military can make the cane of fast, oh, better let them continue rolling the country. and then hydro in response, says coups are not the solution. this little debate here is that a debate that he's been reflecting in country where you are right now. absolutely, that debate is clearly reflected in the country here with most people clearly stating that we have tried with electro democracy so far. it has not worked properly for us. we had our 1st civilian elected government. and the only thing that we have seen is the competency in all of its forms. the president how don, everything he could do replacing the government several times, replacing key military leaders. but the situation, the security situation has not improved and its gotten worse and worse, all people are fed up. so i've been, i believe like that is a totally new paradigm in terms of our understanding of what democracy is all
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about. do we have to keep up with that narrow understanding of democracy as the majority, the voice of the majority through electoral voice is where we'll put into place people who are super incompetent or do we try something new? and we might one also pay attention to what is happening overall in the sub ridge. and that might also be influencing. because clearly deborah and his folks have looked over and marty, and guinea and cedar. if you strike right now, you can how populous the salanda exactly. what about you said i'm, i'm going to ask you how me just hold that for, cuz i have to show you this graphic or i, let's just play the map because listen, you just articulated what i was thinking, what we were thinking back here on the string look at these companies that either had successful curse or felt called kings. can it was sal failed marley chad guinea patina fossa. oh hi,
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cruz. that must have some kind of ripple impact him. what were you thinking? go ahead. yeah, i mean, i, i, i wouldn't say that it's even a debate in bikini fast. so at this stage, whether like democracy, all military rule is better, everybody. but i'm speaking to you practically. everybody that i'm speaking to is, is really saying now that they want military rule, i mean, bikini faster. it's only hearts are democracy or only had democracy for, for 6 years. from 2015 until or until last week. but, you know, even people who were involved in 2014 insurrection, which was a popular uprising that saw a democracy come in to the, to the country, even people who were taking some streets and fighting for la. i'm talking to them now and they're saying no, we want to see military rule. i to more chrissy just hasn't worked out that. so that's so interesting. all right, so we asked earlier some of our audience atlas,
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i'm gonna get you to react to this immediately. some of that audience about the number of crews that are happening across the content, particularly in west africa and one way, and then pick up your thoughts immediately off the back as heavily. so let's have a look. every single country has a particular logic that's relevant to its internal dynamics. there are some broad similarities across the region in these countries with who attempts have occurred. and one of them is a broad, political, and public dissatisfaction. i think is important to understand a some of this occurs within a context of governance failures. the whole purpose of establishing government is so that it provides certain public goods, security infrastructure, social services. and so when whole segments of the population or entire regions of the country live without a meaningful presence of the state. sometimes for decades,
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it provides a pretext for those looking to overthrow the government or those logan to take up arms against it. a what exactly happened in the face of here, and then last and terminal to a city, a president cavalry himself saw this coming. he has been warned several times that things are not going well for the, the expectations from the people over the past couple of years. the price of the basic necessities are almost tripling in whether even over the past 6 months. in some areas, all of booking of fossil 100 kilograms over of rice, over of a cone, had gone from around 20000 safer to almost 60000 safer. so how many people can afford to lead under these conditions? and it's not only the zones that are affected directly affected folks that experienced that in the countryside. but also in the capital city and major cities,
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we talk about the 1500000 internally displaced people. but the truth of the matter is that there's more to the story than that. then book in of us, most people don't run away from the village and go to our cabinet. they go to see with relatives in the 1st place. and when the relatives cannot afford to horse them, that's when you go to the government and then they go to those sites. so there's a lot of people who are not accounted for indoors. 1.5000000 internally displaced people. so the numbers are way, way more than that. and if you use the need to witness that i read well in your house. but on, do you think, do you think the military will be in the military government will be best to place to, to deal with problems like that than a democratic government? like in the short term, i do believe that the military government will try to do some sort of shaw the but trying to demo that. they have the ability to make things change. of course,
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in the longer term we might fall back to we're slacking government. if we let them see too long a back into a shorter term, i believe dr. no matter what we see, the how clear understanding that the civil society more men in book in a fossil are not going to let them breed by an old system where it is in the military rule with so much in competency. here, there are no clear communication about what is happening and when asked about what is going on. the i say we have from the couple of government was or did, has to do with the security issue, the question in the country and we don't have any faith explain the saw last time was he was was so sure and, and had me thank you so much for helping us to stay with us while we're waiting for lesson to connect to really appreciate both of you. as you can tell, we're just starting the conversation. there's so much to talk about. i will get you both back on the next edition on another edition of the stream, but for now,
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