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ah, higher than the okay on today's episode of the stream could national dialogue bring piece to ethiopia. if you're watching right now in your on youtube, the comment section is life, but your comments or thoughts, your solutions into the comments section. i will do my best include them into the show within the show a little bit differently. we are focusing on strategies to get piece that. ethiopia, earlier we spoke to tech clay deborah michael, and this is what he told us. number one, the people integrate who i am is subject to 1 may star version for the past 2 years

and must be saved from total annihilation now or the mother of urgency number to foreign forces who wants to occupying parcels to grow must lean number 3. there should be a mechanism that enables people to connect representative and to participate in daniel and all the emotions including refund and wants to be on the table. number 4 . and that should be reckoning with the past. and as part of the reckoning, perpetrators must be held accountable. justice must be delivered or that is take place checklist. let's see what our panel have to say about that in their own ideas . they're so used to unpacking problems in ethiopia and see if they can bring us some solutions for this particular show. see, delay so nice to have you. hello. well, hello, adam. nice to have all of you in our show today. see, delay, please introduce yourself to a global audience. tell them who you are and what you do. thank you for me. my name is sadala. lemme and i am the founder of the id standard online magazine. i am

currently left the newsroom and am of to be in the ceo of the publisher of the i, the standard magazine that to have the hello will welcome back to the stream. please tell our audience who you are, what you day. thanks very much for me. and my name's i will, davidson, i'm the analyst for international crisis group. so the conflict mitigation organization. i'm currently in the u. k. i can get to hello. hello. i am please hello to add guests and our audience. tell them who you are, what you do. hello for me, my name is adam barber. i am program officer id international issue today. 40 more chrissy, an electron assistance, the national radio. all right, so i'm going to start here on my laptop, which is picked out some of the areas where conflicts are still happening in ethiopia. we're talking about this path to peace. this, this little map is really important. have i missed anything out say, delay at any of the areas where there's co

e conflicts or tensions that we need to take into account before we have this conversation about how do we get peace? yes, you actually deal with the media. wind is of course to gray and are firing on para, particularly in our far where currently the war has shifted to. but if you has a couple of other hot spots as well and main, most importantly in ben shanquita on the western part of the country. but also in weston or mia, you mentioned it or i mean it in general. but the most difficult one is currently are happening in western part of auto mia, which is also generally in the western part of europe and in the south and t off if you, where if you get is bordering with the king and government, i'm sorry, was, was kenya in to 1000 part 70. all right, so, so there's obviously a lot to dialogue about adam. i'm really intrigued about this national dialogue from your perspective, who's involved,

all of those areas where there's conflict boiling right now. i all involved in the national dialogue. one city national data process has started the dialogue itself hasn't. and so the, the plan is to set up a commission that, that is expected to be independent. and that commission will then decide who are critical stockholders in the process to bring peace in the country. a 1st obviously to, to silence the guns to make sure that people that need help, that need basic necessities are provided with it. and then look at the fundamental issues that divide all political actors, but also society at large. i say it's a process that has started, the preparations have started, but the actual dialogue hasn't. but ultimately, if it's to succeed, it would have to include people. that's hard, that are fighting the government and that have complained in terms of the,

the nature of the state and how it's governed. well, i'm just looking at 2 different r pads from out as an adult, calm about the same national dialogue, ethiopians new national dialogue time unify, the decided nation. if he had his new national dialogue cannot deliver inclusive, please will your thoughts? yes, so i read those off and notice how starkly, contrasting they were. i think 2 basic things to understand about national title. the 1st is that your classically, these processes are for sort of chronically divided societies where you have sort of fundamental political disagreements and people need to find a way to share power. anything here is a perfect example of this. 3 difference of political community is ethnic groups or nations, as they call themselves. they have very different versions of ethiopia is history, the imperial era. they are very different understandings of contemporary history under this multinational or ethnic federal system. and they have very different

ideas about where we go forward, should we try and have a more unit tray or unify states, or should we have more power to the regions and ethnic groups. and that's why you're getting very contrasting viewpoints. so absolutely national dialogue is necessary and i think we all agree on that. the concern at the moment is that another sort of pattern in any europe in history has been a process of exclusion. so the people who hold power, they sort of almost monopolized power and they don't let the other groups, so political parties or whoever and go outside power, they don't really let them have a say. and then that leads to essentially some sort of violence backlash. and i think that's the sort of phase that we're in at the moment. and there was very worrying signs that the process the adam was talking about is set to exclude. busy and very key axes, most of all the groups and they are fighting for political reasons essentially, and then also potentially some other mainstream play black and so

a national dialogue is needed. but the way things are unfolding. busy at the moment, there is a concern that it's really going to be kind of outwardly woefully insufficient address that really serious political problems the country has. i guess let me throw some thoughts at you immediately thought it. so i think that you go 1st and then i'm going to bring in was, was what williams said here, but i would like to, you know, put it a note up. it's not just a one story. what is happening now was the process of formation of the national debt and august started from their own foot to assist the war, broke out actually, even before the war broke out, the international community was asking the government for this inclusive dialogue. and there are some careful sequential that that needs to be, that need to be, to be followed, particularly after we went into the war. you have to silence that got his 1st. and it's not very clear that if this national dialogue commission that is appointed by the government, a party to the conflict itself,

can be able to enforce sufficient facilities to begin with. so it's not for me a commission that is going to kick start the process in the right direction and he's having facilities and making sure that the process of formation of the commission is involved with the people that have no topped and who are those who don't even know about the formation of the question. so this is not a concern. this isn't debt. and from the very beginning if i could just jump in, i think i think you can tell that you know, that alex viewpoint. but i mean, the national dialogue is i was trying to stay and i think that i would agree with it is something necessary. so yes we, we don't want to get off on the wrong foot hit. but my understanding is, i think this has a sort of initial, a potentially 3 yet horizon to it. so yes, we're getting off on the wrong foot. but if, for example, we did have progress towards sensation of hostilities and therefore it would go to

a position where we could have a genuinely inclusive national dollar process. i like to think that whatever exists can be adapted to make it more. busy inclusive or more meaningful in amongst and years to come possibly. may i jump in here is one for me thou had at any time. oh, so it's a 2 things i think i said alleys right? that we have to recognize. there are 2 parallel process that are necessary. first one is piece process. that indeed has was highlight the guns a mix. would that there are p conditions that, that have people to be able to speak freely to be able to outline what, what their thoughts are, what their interests are, what their ideas are. so that it, that is that piece process. i'm the national data commission is not supposed to do that. it is supposed to deal with issues that underlie some of the, the, the conflicts out with unity appear. but that also precede the conflict. we see, we see today. and so we have to, you know, there must be

a process to bring peace at peace process. but nash is necessary and deep there are concerns that it has to be independent that it has to deliver. and the same time what we know so far from the legislation that this commission is supposed to be independent. and of course, it's important that actors, all actors should have a voice, at least in terms of nominating members. but i think we should be, we should be more open to the possibility that it can actually deliver. i, it's not on pricing. we had so much, i hate at discipline and just just hold on to it for my me because we have so many comments coming in from youtube. i want to in dayton dot williams as well. but very quickly, i put that to you. will you come back to me very quickly. so as in albany says that he managed should come 1st over politic to save lives. is that realistic? we'll go ahead. i think the problem is that we have and there is absolutely master to mandatory needs across the field. especially inside pick,

right, but i mean, as much as we would like that to happen. and so during the conflict we've seen massive restrictions on humanitarian aid. and ultimately, i think if we're realistic and so we see some improvement in the politics, some improvements in the security situation. we get away and up. i'm having a really critical humanitarian situation, so it should happen. but i'm not sure what's going to dilate. i would like you to take on moonlight comment, lulu safe natural dialogue is only a viable option at the moment when all the parties have the same version of the conflict. at this time, there is no common ground where the parties can sit at a table. your thoughts? i completely agree with that, and my disagreement was a formation of the national dialogue itself. is that if the national daniel clinician is supposed to have the parties who are these contrasting views of 3 people, politics who have been trying to lead gun into picking guns do not even agree with

the commissioners of the national commission. that means we do no tough independent in terms of caters to bring the warring factions altogether who can be trusted by quote. so the question is that shouldn't this parties be part of new nominating inter locators independent interlocutors that they all agree with, that they all test so that they can, you know, start discussing. so that's what i'm saying. the promotion itself is afloat and it's process, but also who are going to be elected to that. so we don't know, for example, who's representing the 2 grand people. the national commission is being formed by the, by the national parliament to the national parliament and 38 seats. it's in its 38, c representing 7000000 to grinds, who are not having any say on that identity on the people of this commission. so why would the 2 grand people, for example, trust these commissioners to start dialoguing with

a government that they are at was i didn't say commission is a load one i think so we have to recognize the concern, i think, said alleys. right. but the comments, so i apologize, i forgot the name on the the idea, the suggestion that we have to wait until there is agreement on some of these things are actually undermines the very idea of doubt or dialogue you intend to down because you need to agree with certain things on some of these fundamental issues. so it's the outcome of dialogue, not up condition to it. no. what saddam mercedes is accurate and what we should not consider is that the way the commission is designed is supposed to be independence . it's not supposed to represent any political groups and you are right about the absence of to graham's in parliament. but at the same time, if we have to wait until there's some kind of peace, we may have to wait really, really long. that's one i. secondly, what can i just a suggestion on that?

i don't with his and him either. just finish half a minute and i'll let you sorry, half a minute. i won't check that then. so adam maria a head's that same 2nd point. the 2nd point is that this commission is being nominated by anybody. and i imagine people who have idea similar to the t p a live foresters and similar with other actors, also had the chance to make propositions. and so basically, just to summarize, this committee is not supposed to be present any political group. and anybody including people who have the same ideas as a t p, i live at all the actors have been able or at least they would, that the process was open for them as we're i don't think, i don't think either of you are intuitive was that the demand from the international demand is a heavy word of recommendation from the international community that had carefully sequence it. the process that need to be taken 1st says that the onset of this war is that the 1st disposition of hostilities,

the 2nd is humanitarian access. and some countries quote for the release of political prisoners as well, and it withdrawn a foreign forces to pave the way for the national. and then these are care for sequences that need to be taken into account if we really want to have an inclusive and independent daniel. so was so for silencing the guns and having everybody a chance to participate in the dialogue, you cannot just, it would be just a hit and rank process. that's due to fear from the very beginning that i disagree with the process. all right, let me create a space democrats and space for you will. if i may, can i go to you by an aetna gash because again, we was working at what are the strategies, what are the, what are the steps to get to piece? not just on packing or of the issues at his m. net will please jump off the back of her and then take our conversation foot for this do to happen in utopia unordinary citizen would expect an immediate an urgent need to aim the detect and

indicted killings. and lifting the blockage and people who have been detained based on that, if new background needs to be released, these are only positive steps. drugs are children sufficient for status, lusting peace in new york. only our children here facilities are to be closed with their journey and piece do, which would include accountability and compensation of the damage that has been imposed. and pupils us perish, including on a spanish and on, i mean deepened and it needs to be accommodated well, we'll, we'll was so impressed by that. he phrase will pick up. go ahead, go ahead. what i just want to say i want to understand from, from, out to me was talking about 2 tracks. but what is the points in starting the national dialogue, which we will agree should be inclusive until we thought those sensational possibilities. and so with the guns are silent, it seems to me that that shouldn't be the 1st focus. and then we move to the

dialogue. and in terms of and that point, i mean, i think these all absolutely valid. i think some of these issues of accountability can, can come as part of a longer process. i think there's an absolute urgency to the military situation inside to grow and outside and is, i think the 1st thing really, the federal government needs to do is not just focus on this national dollar a focus on alleviating the sort of time in conditions inside pick re restoring services that absolutely, you know, betray detentions on an arrest has to stop. but this is a part of this broader package as a trying to come to terms on a sation of post entities and create the conditions for a political process. and i have a lot of sympathy and that views these things things happen. first, i want to bring in tell ross to say, who is a chairman of the m r association of america. again, we asked everybody who contributed via video. what are the steps to get to last thing piece adam?

have a listen to this and then bounce off the back. i will like, or of our panel. one of the steps to lasting piece. we see the challenges. what are the steps this war, the targeted massacres and ethnic cleansing of america has its roots in this ethnic apartheid system. an all inclusive national dialogue that is transparent, inclusive of independent civic organizations fair representation of political parties and ideologies. transitional justice, not just as an outside of this work bit over the last 3 years, has the potential to bring about nesting, piece to ethiopia. however, this would necessitate and willing party to open the process. oh, no. so obviously he was talking particularly from the perspective of am horace. ah, but i wanna, i want to emphasize 2 point one is that one of the you, some of the issues though we're discussing issue of justice a. so for instance,

line dispute between am her and to cry and other areas are some of the fundamental ideas as would have to be discussed in a dialogue. and so if we hope or if we think that there has to be peace out, basically, if this issues would have to be a resort before we get to a before, before we go to national battle, you will essentially preempting some of the fundamental issues though. when we need to cover so each of justice is self land issues of, of the debate. a recognition, for instance, of some of these political groups are the issues that would have to be determined in, in the national data sets. he cannot think in the near term seats, if they're there, they are intersect, some of the issues that are necessary for peace would have to be resolved. so national data, so we cannot the, in, in the near terms and how can share with sci the national bank limits. and in fact, i missed that with my well, will you youth and fast? that is how can we, how can we insure the necessary participation of these actors in the dialogue when

the conflict is ongoing, wendy's, territorial disputes are, as are still outstanding. i think the, the key thing is participation in inclusive within and, and, and i don't understand and how that works in the way. adams are some things so, so the last sentence, there has to be a recognition of these actors. that's very important. indeed, they have to be included, but the issue, some of the core issues behind is conflicts require the doubt of to be resolved. so they have to indeed they have to be recognized, brought into the fold of the national down of process. and hopefully also that the guns would have to be silenced, but we cannot assume that so the fundamental issues, including territory, including justice. these are issues that that ballot process would have to solve. have to talk about what kind of justice, what kind of a resolution does do, do the territorial disputes are we require? so we, you know, this is, this is not an in cure. you may be, you're right. we have to set closer. but in reality, it's a complex process that the 2 things would have to go together. i wasn't bringing

one more point and if i, if i may say darlena, i mean if you could just give me was sure. so i was going to come to an end, they're going to come to you nice, go ahead, go ahead. all right, this is, this is exactly why we need a very proper sequencing of events to happen there. starting from the immediate cessation of hostilities, followed by this ceasefire agreement between warring factions and the government. all of them not only to ground forces, but the oral motivation, front and, and in been shuffled their arm and group stick. all of them has to it, they have to come into an enforcement of suspicion of, of facilities, followed by a bit, an agreement for a ceasefire argument. and that, that would then paved the way for the government and for the international community to reach to the affected mealies of people are, are threatened by the, from me and or so the war. no, you can not really dialogue when people are dying of either bullets or hunger.

right. and then you can suppress that one by that good gesture of releasing political prisoners and removing terrorist tags out of the t p a live in oil and live. so it can pipe in the way for them to come into the discussion. and of course, you'd also have to remove foreign forces from ethiopia. today, if you talk to any opposition groups, they're more scared of the presence of editor and forces in ethiopia than any other group. so they can not have the politically free and independent space to come and discuss it. you piss future free, right? and that would then give the weight for the formation of this inclusive die look to happen. where every topic under the sky should be discussed, left no, nothing or no you. i actually, you would actually agree on the fundamentals that there has to be negotiate. peace as to what you know, that the guns would have to be silenced, or the are with the arm groups would have to be recognized and brought to the fort . and of course, humanity are those things there shouldn't even be pre conditions. but beyond those

preliminary decisions, silencing the guns and recognizing the actors, everything else re sensually touched on the fundamental issues that the dialogue is supposed to address. so on the basics we agree, but beyond the issues including perhaps even the, the, the question of arterial it's extremely intermingled with some of the fundamental issues around territory and or so it's very, very complicated. and if we put a condition dialogue on those things be being a chill pump it where social prem caught what that should be. i'm going to pause here. we've had an excellent dialogue on this show. the show is one more thought that i want to bring into this conversation and that thought came from sina. who was really thinking about political presence as well. you're going to put this in and i'm not much of what i'm paying again. we need to seize the bios and as, as to mention 8 least political prisoners there, thousands of their excel for. i'm

a new regional of forces where they said shout ready to from to, from 5 to 3. it took, you know, within your dental and how much will have left the 2nd part is to have really achieve a national dollar to bring the piece that we need. first and foremost, the national guard rain. no one is unlikely because the last a process is not transparent. it is not all inclusive piece. stakeholders are missing. so i'm just looking here, my laptop. this is the question that we studied. i show if cad abbey army national dialogue and ethiopian war, thank you to sadala for will for adam and for your thoughts and conversation on line as well. i think the answer to that is possibly, maybe more work needs to be done. talking about more work needs to be done and the work of the stream, the executive producer of the stream is barry malone. if you meet him for 5 minutes,

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