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you gradient leaders later on monday. but us diplomatic efforts slowly take shape more us troops have arrived in eastern europe to reinforce nato allies after the russian military build up on ukraine's border. a, you and report says that north korea used cyber attacks to funded nuclear ballistic missile program. the report indicates the pyongyang stole at least $50000000.00 worth of crypto currency. and the last 2 years, both korea conducted 9 ballistic missile tests last month. chinese tended star punch way as met the president of the international olympic committee. after concerns about her well being, she said that a post she made about allegations of sexual misconduct against a chinese official was misunderstood. surlier is reopening its borders nearly 2 years after the government closed the country off to the rest of the world. from february 21st fully vaccinated travelers can enter the country. australia was only
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allowing in a limited number of citizens and permanent residence or making the announcement private as the scott morrison alluded to the deportation of unvaccinated tennis player. no back joke of its last month. but we just want to stress that you will need to provide that proof of vaccination. your visa is one thing that your entry into was strive you require you also to be double vaccinated. and i think events earlier in the year should have sent a very clear message, i think, to every around the world that that is the requirement to enter into australia. at least 10 people have died and some 45000 displaced by a tropical storm. let's hit madagascar cyclone but so i made land full on saturday, bringing winds of up to 180 kilometers an hour. the 2nd st. cloud to strike the in 2 weeks. and those are the headlines that he's continues here on al jazeera after inside story. thanks. examining the impact of today's headlines. there are
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hello and welcome to the program. i'm elizabeth brought him in doha to as he is president, has declared time's up for the body responsible for appointing judges and keeping an eye on them. chi side says the supreme judicial council is biased, broken, and a thing of the path specifically 5 accuses it of delaying politically sensitive investigations into the killings of left when activists in 2013 demonstrations were held on sunday, commemorating their deaths. i was, we will work to put an end to this miserable situation and we will work to put in place a temporary law decree for the supreme judicial council. this council should consider itself from the past, starting this moment, the democratic transition into his ears since the 2011 revolution has been to mount us and matters came to a head last year. in july, president side sack the prime minister and froze parliament. his appointments accused him of staging a clue, but sigh of his argued he acted legally to rescue the country during protest
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against him and also rallies of support. 5 announced in september that he will by decree, this allowed him to appoint cabinet members such policy and put aside parts of the constitution. last month, he initiated an online consultation to draft a new constitution. but he hasn't involved any major political or civil society groups in the process. ah, well, let's bring an, i guess in tunis inside though niecy, a member of the disbanded tennessee in parliament and syracuse, muhammad dear hm. army as political scientist and researcher at syracuse university's maxwell school and father ali rizza is editor in chief of mescal. that's a to newsy and news and analysis website. a very warm welcome to all of you and miss lunacy. i'll start with you in tunis will mention some of the moves that president side has taken over the past 6 months. the to an,
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as he and parliament that you were a part of has been disbanded. is the birthplace of the arab spring on its way to becoming an autocracy? yes, exactly. so today, margaret, actually are, you know, the beginning of those 7 months after the frizzing of the parliament by the president. her eyesight who is, you know, continuing on is that pathway to installing a wheel dictatorship in india and to dismantle that in they, it were that the islands this morning, or what that say very late or yesterday evening, or in the hash, you of them in history of interior of the dissolution of the higher, at court of justice, all the higher council off at judges, which is another 10 to word, our personal power, confiscation of power, and the destruction of every single boys who would be against eyesight. let's put
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that the latest move to mr. ali rizzo, who is also in tunas as president side at what do you make of what he's done? is he right on his criticism? because his criticism is very strong of the supreme judicial counsel than he says that the members have been taking what he calls billions and bribes, and who've been delaying important cases on corruption on terrorism. well, there's certainly legitimate criticisms of the judiciary. i think that can be made . we certainly have seen cases where even there was a judge that was stopped by police and had 1000000 over a $1000000.00 in the car. so certainly, cases like this have a fed into what a widely perceived understanding that the judiciary has had issues. there's been attempts to have an independent judiciary, particularly setting up of the higher traditional counsel in 2016. but ever since the 2011 revolution has been attempts to try and build an independent judiciary. what the president does is saying and accusing what he seems to be building his
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project on is saying that the judiciary has not been doing his job, but it is party to partisan interest. at the same time, we do seem but actually giving more executive control over the judiciary. i live as a result of that, we're seeing actually judges pushing back. certainly the higher traditional counsel itself has been in the crosshairs up the president since september. so it's been several months that we've seen increasing pressure by the executive branch on the judiciary and certainly judges and judges union have also. busy been very pushing back saying that while there are a legitimate criticism perhaps on the loan as of cases that they would not like to see the executive and the presidents, the itself have greater control over the judiciary itself. mr. her mommy, how do you address something like a judiciary that isn't moving fast enough on some of the most, you know, important cases, judges finding, you know, being found with, with a lot of money. i mean, what finds it inside has done, is it warranted or is it an over ration?
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that's partials, the sort of wider moves that he's been making for the past 6 months. well, those are the rest of the way. gosh. and her car was arrested and she is being prosecuted. you don't need to solve that entire situation to hold a few. but apples accountable. the problem with 5 is that not distinguish between misbehavior of individuals. judges that happen in every single institution, including the mancy frontier, upon which he relied to, to oppress his opponents. but the problem with him is that he's attacking the actual institution that was built after the revolution that doug does . i've been fighting for for 4 years, even though they were talking well calling for the, for the implementation of the creation of assessing that you see. so the main problem with the side is that instead of trying to solve the institution problem to
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simply be solving is solving these institutions and attacking his opponents. in fact, when we say that the, that the, that people do not trust the system is actually not true. we have multiple surveys. the most recent one was one in november by the center for the type it's american institution, national eyes with it's an engine company and it's all the 60 percent of the court system setting the problem is with, with, with issue apple. but apple's inside is using that pretext to attack the entire institution and has that miss niecy, i'll bring you in here. now has that of he's attacking institutions rather than what mr. mommy described as a few bad apples within the institutions. is that costing him support because,
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you know, he was elected with wide support from across the political parties. your party itself and other supported him and the what he did, you know, when he does all parliament, i mean that was also have some very popular support. is he now losing that support? i'm. he is are because he basically eliminated everyone around him. what is dangerous, what i side is that he's very obscure projects. we don't really know about it because you never took the time to explain it to people. he refused dialogue. he refused pluralism, here with his diversity, refuse confrontation of opinion. so in that way he's really not, you know, someone isn't fond of democracy, but he's more and more elated. i think that this will hide
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in, in the last summer in the middle of the holidays and moments of the pandemic. and the way he also, by the way, use this i demick for himself yesterday to justify the authorization of demonstrations in his favor today. he basically said that be a contact me at the content mc. sorry. and yeah, sanitary situation evolved in the good way. so people could actually take on the streets at the trade in his favor. what we are the same as in this morning, is that there is only probably 2 or 3 dozens of people who actually went outside and took the street to support in favor of his decisions of yesterday evening. in the same time, he is a person who at 2 occasions gave strict
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orders to basically or full bidden. there was twitch absolutely. we thought we thought they results, we saw deadly results. i believe on january 14th and an anti site protest was actually killed. many people were arrested and that's because there was a ban on demonstrations. and yet on sunday the people are being allowed to demonstrate and support or rather in support of what he's been saying and against the supreme judicial counsel. mister earlier is a how problematic is bad, especially from a human rights perspective at this point. it certainly is extremely problematic that only the protests that are approved or accepted by the president seem to have the support. i mean, it seems that the direction that his government saying that there was a bad on demonstrations. there's an exception to that for today. you know, he had said actually that he would like to dissolve the, the higher traditional counsel. but he hasn't put forward something in writing that we've seen yet. but at the same time,
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he has also said that he called for people to go to the street center to protest against the higher traditional counsel today. and the previous guess that there were very few that showed up today less than 200 people. so in that sense, it does seem to be that in fact the there isn't widespread support for or, or what he's calling for. and in fact, it doesn't indicate that while previous protests have actually had police stopping people from coming to gather in downtown 2015 various parties who want to demonstrate not just those opposing the president. but i just wanted to sort of gather on january 14th to commemorate the day were also prevented from meeting downtown. so there's a clear discrepancy in ah, what you accompanied them. b u. dayton. it will appear on the shore. a lesson is a, it seems like a president sire is on a path right now. andy,
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while he is losing support or seems to be losing some support, at least in to in his ear. what about some support from the international community who weren't very forthcoming in the condemnation, you know, of dissolve and parliament. many of the other steps that were taken, they seemed to want to, you know, give him a chance to see what would happen. where do you think things stand now? because we know that to nicea is in the economy is in a very bad state. it needs international money to prop up the economy. and, you know, multi $1000000000.00 package from the international monetary fund is on hold at the moment. so how much leverage would you say the international community has right now via agencies like the i m f. so of what is here today is that after 6 months of, you know, grabbing power and confiscating power economy is a non question. it's a non subject. i sighed. he never talk about it. the only moves he had where quite
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carol got to walk. he went market and asked, you know, like, directly vendors to basically, you know, decrease prices. so people kid or, you know, good reality today is that because of, you know, the absence of willow flow because of the absence of institutions into these. yeah . investors international but also be, you know, like very local, national investors and left the country. i, people, i know, i mean, anything, you know, which is a deployment, which could, you know, lead to economy development, especially after being hit hard by the pandemic. and you know, was one of the country you definitely are the economy level for both the most because we are a country of you know, providing services. so this is today having clear impact, very concrete, absolutely. of market and how would it come?
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i was me. yeah. i'll just ok, please continue. no, i just wanted to say that at we are really at the paid off at a very important social crisis which could lead evan to violence on the street. and this is more of the pain of fear we have today. that is exactly what i was going to put to mr. ha, mommy, you know, could the shop decline that in people's living standards? we're already hearing of prices for many things going up. you know, the price of riots and sugar going up could a decline in people's living standards because of the political, the economic situation in the country lead to a wider unrest into nicea. what? well, we've decided that's the live in terms of, i've been declining for the last 2 years, i would say continuously. people usually right now those associated with
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the bad thought is reducing yes, that was a part of the problem. so i don't think they associated directly with the power grab, for example. however, it is right now frame in the public discourse as as a result of science. rejection of any willingness to collaborate with, with, with the union or with the, with presenting a business owners. so i am skeptical of claims that rise of this kind of fear that we will, it will become violent like it happened once, right? yes. history in 1984, it happened. that was the only i would say really violent. but this and the military was deployed. i don't expect that to happen again. i
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don't think that the security apparatus would be willing to repeat scenarios similar to 1984. however, that may impact directly the level of support to president pages. i would be seeing a declining significantly, and yet, you know, we have people like the spokes person of the un human rights office and groups like amnesty international. they are quite worried about the actions of the security apparatus. mr. allie, reason, you know, the un human rights office saying they really condemned imprisonment, the senior leader at and now the saying that the incident echoes practice is not seen since the era of president, then ali abilene been ali, and that it raises serious questions regarding abduction and false disappearance, an arbitrary detention. is there a role?
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do you think for the un into nicea at the moment the international community has been quite vocal and in the last few months they've, they've made several statements for some groups. they would say that the statements have not gone far enough for other groups. they would say that these statements are actually counter productive in terms of what they would like to see in terms of human rights. in tunisia on the question of sort of police violence, there's certainly been police violence on economic issues, specifically over the last several years. i mean, we saw in 2018 as mr. how about me said we, haven't we, we haven't seen anything on the scale as deadly as what happened in 1084. but there certainly has been police repression off socio economic protest of the economic movement across the country, particularly outside of tunis in certain hotspots, where people have been calling basically for development for investment. actually, one of the reasons why president high side we received some popularity or some
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support was who promised to suffice corruption. but so far, what we've seen is all of the steps that he's taken extra traditionally has been actually against political opponents, but not necessarily against corrupt officials or business men or some of the people that had previously said. you might actually look to and try to solve the corruption issues. can he rule on his own? you know, mr. her mom is talking about how he's not going to work with union. he's not working with political parties. miss ne, see it's, is it possible for him to actually rule the country on his own? he needs some allies, doesn't he? especially with the challenges facing to in his ear right now at 0 to clear this county cannot be led. oh managed, especially after the resolution only is, you know, a context of dialogue of having, you know, the most possible stakeholders. why when table i size is definitely i say it again
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. it is elated more than more than ever. and i don't see how this could be sustainable. i think that what he did yesterday, and the dissolution of this important institution is going to basically do the work. it is the grant work for a mass are resting. and, you know, among political opponents, that this is a step forward for the complete absence of rule of law. i don't see how a political parties are national organization, kent's, she'll not cold this a coo or can still support him or evan can still, you know, expect that or he will do, you know, something to basically take the country off this a cottage and social crisis and the numbers are not, so i'm not like, i mean,
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i think we have been in that position of weakness towards the international community. so was international financial institution let in. that is very well, let me put that to mr. him on the because he's in the us. how much leverage does the u. s. government have you know that they themselves a $500000000.00 infrastructure grant is stored, the state department is holding back some military support funds and congress is threatening to reduce or cancel us economic assistance to, to nicea, unless conditions improve yes, well there are discussions on the leverage that had happened, dr. july, but i think that the news tracy is not interesting and anything like that. there is some pressure coming from the congress. they come this and the military a specifically result of kind of i received
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a report that would have to be submitted to the congress student to evaluate the extent to which the military was involved in the july 25th events. and if the meat is involved, then according to us legislation, the west cannot provide any form of meditation support. and this would be the equivalent of around a $100000000.00. there was no cuts actually in the budgeting that they did not reduce the budget. they kept the same level as 20202019 about to something up there is i would say division, but the buyer is willing to work with with any form of resume, whether it's the radical democratic. all right, we don't have very long left in the program and i'd like to ask a quick question to all of you before we end mr. alvarez, what do you think it's going to take for to nicea to, to, to return to
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a functioning democracy. and what would you say is at stake for the region? well, i think season democracy is a project that's been ongoing. certainly something that's been open to contestation, the avenues of contestation over what a democracy looks like and what it means have changed since july 25th. where the debate is happening, where that sort of discussion is happening. it's no longer happening in parliament . so some of those discussions have gone behind closed doors. however, some of them may be going out into the streets as well. so we'll see whether the debate over where it's usually going, whether it will be played out in the streets, whether it was paid out with other institutions. certainly, unions and different association have taken clears, then since july 25th, some of them are, are taking clear stands increasingly clear stance whether they'll be a grouping or ally. and certainly some of the opponents of side have not worked
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together up to this point, but they, me end up working together. they do wrong. so there's, there's clearly a question mark over which the, which groups will be there and missing the see. i could see you disagreeing with that. yeah. well, i think it is really amazing to say that there is still discussions going on in the country. you know about what a democracy. like when you basically have no, you know, debates and public debates and you more, i know all the because i don't want to shut down. but also because the media is basically not free and you more because people are to sensor a them south because there is and you decree which is the key point. we will fight your organization and everybody is afraid. everybody has a kind of and been a number on their heads up. and you know, there is more discussions and people are living in a, in a situation and
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a context where fear is every where and where people and especially more, you know, from today are expecting themselves to be victims of the arbitrary. because now living in this jayla be, it's really important that people stop to acknowledge what is really going on and stop, you know, this kind of like double situation only because for them what is important is that not that is not on what it's called in skipping more or not to parts of the government anymore. and should really look at the global picture because today they are probably, you know, i cited and his as reporters are coming for people. but you, you so physically with. but i thought when they will come to you, because the people who very strong laura, laura, okay, i'm afraid we have run out of time, but i want to thank all of our guests for this discussion that is side of d. c. in tunis, muhammad, there her mommy in syracuse and fight, father ali visa,
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