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the day for my release and who continued to fight for the other woman who are still in prison. i know just like me, they will get a freedom and be with their families against other women, wrongly convicted, have called for a bush and to be legalized in el salvador 21 year old. evelyn hernandez was acquitted of homicide in a re trial 3 years ago. she'd previously been sentenced to 30 years in prison and spent 3 years in jail after giving birth to a stillborn baby. after spending 10 years in prison, elsie says she's ready to move on with her life and wants to ensure other women don't go through the same ordeal. victoria gate and be al jazeera. ah, this is all the 0. these are the top stories, thousands of russian troops and started 10 days of joint military drills and bellows. it adds to mosque was huge, military build up near the ukrainian border, but on
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. muslim and hindu students in india face off on the right to where head scarves in class. so is this a religious issue or a broader debate on minority rights and identity in india? this is inside story. ah. hello and welcome to the program. i'm hammer, jim jim, in the constitution guarantees a secular state and religious freedom. but minority muslims say they face increasing harassment and discrimination from the hindu majority. the latest
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controversy revolves around a ban on head scarves in school. it started last month when 6 muslim female students in karnataka state protested against being barred from class. hindu students held counter demonstrations wearing scarves in saffron, a color associated with hindu nationalism. right wing groups have been accused of fueling the dispute. the state has shut down schools until friday, while it's high court considers the issue. will bring in our guests in a moment, but 1st this report from poverty metal in new delhi ha videos that defined the growing tensions in the state of to not in southern india. students aligned with him, 2 groups heckler women, for wearing a boycott as competing religious. johns, a hood. every religion has freedom, therefore, link that culture and i'm following mind. they should let us follow our culture and not to raise obstacles for us. a few weeks ago, 16th students were barred from wedding head scarves in the classroom. those
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protests have now spread across the state with more women, demanding the right to cover their heads in class, opposing them or hinder groups. they have been marching, wearing saffron colored scarves and shoals and some hoisted a saffron flag. the color is considered sacred by many hindus, the uniform, a living sun uniforms seem for every one. whether it is hindu, muslim or christian, they should abide and very uniform and the he job has to be kept outside the gate. the state government run by prime minister marines are more these party gentle party has supported school and college administrators. in banning muslim girls wearing head scarves in class, the route has v ignited the debate about minority lights in india that these in the supreme assist groups are the same. you know the self same groups that since 2008 attacked women in the same coastal karnataka, india for visiting bubbs for vetting western clothes, are they of valentines day is coming up and the same groups are to be out on the
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streets. heckling couples, lovers was sitting together and saying that you're not allowed to factor nice with somebody who's not your husband and so on. so these are extremely regressive groups that has nothing feminist about that of objection took a job. they are merely trying to prevent any, are you notice the sink, the spaces for muslims in colleges, and will think the spaces for interaction between hindu and muslim. the state government closed all high schools and colleges until friday, while the high court judges here legal arguments and decide whether or not the law on constitutional freedoms is being broken off. nathan alters eda new denny. ah. all right, let's bring in our guests in new delhi, fatima han, a journalist at the quint into how would i, chandra, assistant professor of government at georgetown university and also in new delhi on
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us tanveer advocate at the supreme court of india. and founder of the indian civil liberties union, a warm welcome to you all, and thank you so much for being on the program today for my let me start with you. how did all this begin in karnataka? did it all, just start in the past month with a handful of students protesting after they were told they couldn't attend school if they were wearing the job or, or were there other incidents as well? well it started with sticks on young women in the me been reading the jobs, but he is now leading up on me. incidentally i'm going. ringback to that was and being owned by a job. and that is even these that, that know, this is unacceptable. job is about to find identity. he's an artist, i did it, and it isn't you or you're not seeing any view on. so let us in would be one to
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know when to be not be back on the head and that is eating, do you go and they. ringback took it upon themselves to protest against this oddity . absolutely, i'd be judy, want to see that was the least in that on it. you never want college incident. he wasn't going to college a private institution. and in that very moment, is that that little bit, i don't want to see because as i fundamentally united allowed to access, i says then the kind of flows. if you want to do an interview that isn't home, you in a deal on one day or test even to the snowball early in the national news, it became national was and might be what, what the university colleges decided to one day to stop them from entering you still getting the job would i fall to mother was mentioning the difference between whether it's a state institution or a or a private institution,
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when it comes to wearing the her job. i want to ask you want to take a step back for a moment. were female students in karnataka state allowed to wear had scarves to class before that didn't depend upon what kind of institution they were going to and, and also is asking a muslim woman not to wear her job in karnataka or other parts of india. a violation of their rights as citizens. it's definitely nice to my, i mean i think that the constitution give everyone an equal right to practice and propagate their religion. and then there's never been an issue with people wearing big man, rarely natal, on muslim woman bedding ahead stuff. and i really see that this is a kind of deliberate and mischievous boy and not the guy is very much attach ground tactic. clearly political tactics, which i suppose before the next national election. there is a big push for
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a uniform, a little cold. and this is something that the current regime in india would like to actually see us from your perspective does banding. the job in these schools go against the constitutional rights of the students. i ended, it does what is the constitutional light of these students? but most importantly, this is not because they are not over. i mean, obviously the most you should rights have been violated, but they're being wiley good without the state having any legal overdue. so the college has never prescribed any uniform. it's not that the students are going against the say, are going against the uniform or the building. now they have all of these factors observe the job. the state has no legal standing. the law either in the state of connecticut education act does not get any follow. do they go late, uniform of this food in the no need to release the institutions. i'm even if there
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is a mention of a uniform, it is only with regard to giving all of the school to be in an uniform. richard, this is school has not done yet. so this whole exercise where they are going to be doing, i know stopping sometimes violently, these students will end in college, my life. oh, really, the job is i like most traditional and against all the signals of the law and phantom up from your vantage point on these tensions between hindus and muslims. i mean, obviously that's nothing new. but the fact that these long running tensions are now playing out among a different generation, among younger people that it's affecting students and not just middle aged politicians or policy makers. what does that, what does that say to you about the state of things in india, right? now it's absolutely unfortunate, you know, i speak to so many young things as part of my job because i call it them in my call
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. it wasn't justice. and so many of them have said that in the last 5 years, 7 on, you know, they have lost their friends, they have lost, it closes things, people who they never thought would dawn out to be bid. it would not be in that it would be then leaving this saw just begin eating, the start of ending in 8 and it was conventionally lost and i feel it wasn't really when i thought for them. i seen that i said nothing can be more on making than that . i was leaving this country, you know, was invalid. but just the fact that the people who taught would never leave your say, they would never want to go on and on and see these things in 2nd. go visual on that . i go to see this young girl vetting the he job entering, hopefully shaving on a beach. she's been trying to enter her into school and these could be for the young or maybe extended young boys betting assessing to was hating hood as england, england for maintaining on jennings millions of jesse. she still managed,
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willard had high and low seen and eating, meaning the new he said that you know, some of them, many of them who don't say this, but some of them will last needs be proceeding. nice. imagine the trauma that day. so, and it is all like that, can you win because it's not some v latoya even go to bedding against emily, offend your classmates who die. i saw a tweet of yours where i believe you were referring to. some of the students that videos have emerged showing them as they're trying to go to class and being heckled by, by others there by other male students. many of them wearing these saffron robes, heckling the women that are in the ha job. and in the, one of your tweets, you said that some of these female protesters are showing more courage than the entire opposition in india, which cannot raise this matter on the eve of a critical election. why, in your opinion,
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can the opposition not bring this issue up? well, i think the b j p, the early part really changed the political discourse. increasingly, you have the common response. you try and also say hinduism is different from what you do but, but i think we have to accept many who classmates and maybe one of them. compatriots are tired of this kind of common violence. and this kind of politics and the book and the opposition is not willing to take it on because they recognize and society has moved to them and you can interaction. so they find that actually there is no incentive for them beyond of your oracle gestures perhaps beyond. but they are not going to make this into a major election issue. they are not going to make this into a big debate about the idea of honest, let me ask you about the fact that the,
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the high court, which is hearing a petition by muslim girls to allow the use of her jobs and educational institutions while they referred the case to a bigger panel of judges was that expected and from your vantage point, what happens now so that the matter was reported by the judge due to a larger major as a disclosure, i'm the larger venture continue been having today. some really good functions were made from the final position. why did they also i human and demand for release and why they got here? i've been to college, let them observe the dominant and other college continue with their study because they have their doctor sampson. i remember going to keep people so the court was not in going to grant that to leave the might. there is no listing
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for no concentration, an argument on monday and from my understanding of it. and the law starters, as the lowest dance god should do in all fairness, oh, in order in is designed in february, the venetians, because this is their constitutional fire, not mean to light. it is the right to expression, so good as hey, what you will is also part of your like to be busy. i mean, obviously there's also like to live in liberty. no such action can be ignored at all, no action, no executive action can be taken, which is in consideration of the heart. i'm a delight. i think that is the case today. they have been in action for which they never high level and which for to reach the constitution fatima whenever this, this ruling is delivered, will there be other legal avenues available to the female students after the ruling
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is made? where might the case go from here? leading us even more wealthy strict on on those issues, but i think so city or whatever duty may be, they have these visuals. just look at these visuals. imagine a country where this is being out in 21st century 20. when the young woman cannot in the timing, you know, we've had the conversations about women's access to education was entities now and suddenly via still had had wide who that is action for certain community. so those are not, they're not as is. and i would like to be seen, unfortunately the disposing. india is such that it is still fixed on that being the most fundamental basic are discussing that and i do about being, you know, soon we mean be reading or is it, is it something that we should be reading? is it, is it something that they mean or square on, or the kind of conversation i, it's the astounding was me. you think those could be for the young boys?
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what heckling that, well, are they feminist or some sort article of yours or something to value was, was that we hadn't conversation about choice was conditioning, know, the young man who had as ingle fuel uber, good on being on this woman. and we had to see this in the larger context of what has been happening with the muslims in the country in canada because specifically that had been lost lot in against and was in a force week and was in so it was able to be used as to the judges, one after another up in muslim meaning into faith relationships have been quite as and abuse because they've been forced air. they've been accused of us when he got working on the, on, on them demean up just a couple of months ago just for your, the school at and 6 months before that and least was brought out with, you know, muslim, demean rominger image on the list active his boys, what auction online, i incidentally happened to be on both of those lists. so you have to see this in
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just this one, died of disturbing events, one on the other against muslims. i just want to go back for a moment to the issue of these state elections that have begun that are going to be playing out in phases. first of all, i'm curious to know how much you think the religious issue is, will become a part of these elections. will the headscarf issue be a much bigger part of the election? and also, do you believe that political actors are going to be trying to capitalize on these rising tensions? i think you have to come online weeks and i think this is something from the tv studio that i live in the media. i think they're ready to bring this up to come in like the election. they don't want to focus on the incompetence for development that the last 5 years and you'll be his truck. so we want
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a diversion of the narrative and some naca narrative. i don't think it's important issue a job because after 6 reading the top one is also under mental liked and it was an issue in the ninety's aware of that. but today this is not an issue. so i don't think it's going to have a film in go out and in punjab and us from your vantage point is what we're seeing happening right now. what's playing out in the current to god is this unprecedented this is not a good day, se, se a deal. now, i don't know how long to divide muslims, they're having to action by non stay doctors to redo my husband's. we have seen that fight in the speeches. we have seen that even though the mazda
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obstructed anger, the state looks the other, i don't know the other side. if he or vin diesel, and i way an honest a doctor the when the last word of the either the of the single there on the city i'm. it is not something so facing it. they had a problem with the mostly my lady. i was slim woman, really hit observing her job is an associate of high identity as a whole slim. i'll dyke our sojourn while predicted by the constitution makes these 2 goons i call them won't make these bonds, very nose i live. this is a training to watch the migration and was in pushing muslims to the cyclic fatima, how concerned are you right now that the attacks on religious identity have escalated this much? and later on, you know, because in the last couple of weeks i focused my recording on with this incident,
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he is going for election study. and what i found is that large scale denials that used to be common place in india had been leased by lanes. ladies, so imagine him, was the woman a young single is sitting in any part of the country watching these visuals play out. what kind of an impact would you have on her psychologically. you know, it is essentially sending out the message that look, we can do anything with you at any point and we can naturally, any of that, i said good oh guntee. and you won't be able to do anything about it. so that kind of psychologically messaging i'd see, is much more dangerous than a concerted localized eye or criminal violence because it leaves a much more along good bag. and you know, the plane in this day is repeatedly one of the best cities is august. go may have been b, e l, b o, which means steve the roles i interviewed, the guns i but at this point of behavior, even debating with them that in the jobs belonging, accessing to look not. hm. with clearly leading my many,
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many steps backwards. what i saw you nodding along to a lot of would fall, tma was saying there. so looks like you wanted to jump in, go ahead. you know, i completely agree with my just i really think that the rule of law is now on, on, on try it. and i think, you know, the fact that there's going to cause not before the issue itself, i think the problem and i think that, you know, they could easily say that we should be able to wear whatever they want and carry on with their exams and classes but they chose not to do this, and they chose to make an issue where both sides being equally valid, argued. and i think that is a linear problem. and you know, i think that the mental right, something violated with impunity, incentives of very bad message. and it's the same message that was sent when the
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mob open spaces was targeted in just mixture debbie. so i think a number of these incidents micro level in for them, so different localities them states which come together inside but space to create an atmosphere which fund of intimidation and ultimately lawlessness. because the law is not quick to protect the minority and the list, and we also, we have to talk about that. but there are people who are not to be protected by the law and the citizens of this country. and it's really a huge problem if there are large parts of the country that by the law and on i said it's hard. this really has re ignited the debate about the rights of india as minorities under the hindu nationalist government hasn't. oh yes, it has. and i will agree with or do they say it is the rule of law that is on trial,
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and i'll extend it to the fact that it is course that our trial legally see the democratic system that is in india that are going to become the same dinner, if you read i was the custodian of the constitution. i'm my own the minorities unpredicted by that constitution. and that was usually predicted by the court. but at the court looked the other way. or if they are not actively predicting minorities predicting those way endangered, predicting those were of this the situation really got to what it has already come for anyone has the vehicle had it almost been good going to school or going to college or if those voices are these both voices are shut down by saying that her, we also have like to wear her johnson. i say, what is the story you from reading that? but you can not take away the life of almost the moment we're, we're that we're her hit her. so this is a dark on the i didn't do the, this isn't
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a dark on the go look, i think it was due. so sort of over a father, we don't have a whole lot of time left. but let me just ask you, do you think that we're going to see these protests and counter protest growing in the week? said thank you. so i think so that in the last few years, i didn't look when you, when you did a writing that i was in what i did and that one does. it also started as a bunch of people who supported on or to be starting his don't go flores against people who are asking was them. if you don't, if you put a thing against the didn't amendment and at your desk on the board, you know, boyd or was actively manufactured, orchestrated in such a way that it was what i liked, at least in the national was. so i think i'm 1000000000 unless a or active each i seem to be and step in and give the zooming that i said the, i mean landing b, b i, i'm
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a city and the do you know what is going to increase on what it all right well, we have run out of time, so we're gonna have to leave the conversation there. thank you so much. all of our guests. ultima, hon. would i, chandra, and on us tanveer and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com, and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. you can also, during the conversation on twitter handle is as a j inside story mohammed, i'm doing a whole team here. bye for now. ah,
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