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muslim and hindu students in india face off on the right to where head scarves in class. so is this a religious issue or a broader debate on minority rights and identity in india? this is inside store. ah hello and welcome to the program. i'm hammer, jim jim, in the constitution guarantees a secular state and religious freedom, but minority must them say they face increasing harassment and discrimination from the hindu majority. the latest controversy revolves around

a band on head scarves in school. it started last month when 6 muslim female students in karnataka state protested against being barred from class. hindu students held counter demonstrations wearing scarves in saffron, a color associated with hindu nationalism. right wing groups have been accused of fueling the dispute. the state has shut down schools until friday, while it's high court considers the issue. will bring in our guests in a moment. but 1st, this report from pablo metal in new delhi ha videos that defined the growing tensions in the state of to not to go into india. students aligned with hindu groups, heckler women, for wearing a boycott as competing religious. johns, a hood. every religion has freedom their falling, their culture and, and falling mind they should let us follow our culture and not to raise obstacles for us. a few weeks ago, 168th students were barred from wedding head scarves in the classroom. those

protests have now spread across the state with more women, demanding the right to cover the had been clar. opposing them are hinder groups. they've been marching, reading sampson, colored scarves, and shoals, and some hoisted a saffron flag. the color is considered sacred by many hindus, uniform uniforms seem for every one. whether it is hindu, mostly or christian. they should a bite and very uniform and a job has to be kept outside the gate. state government run by prime minister marines. modi's party jumped the party has supported school and college administrators inventing muslim girls wedding had come in class. the route has ignited the debate about minority rights in india that these in the supplements is groups are the same. you know, the self same groups that since 2008 attack women in the same coastal cut america area for visiting bumps bearing western clothes, they ballantine days coming up and the same group will be out on the street at

clint. couple of levels were sitting together and seeing that you are not allowed to factor in eyes with somebody who's not your husband and so on. so these are extremely resistive groups that has nothing feminist about the objection to the job . they are merely trying to prevent any, you notice the sink, the spaces for muslims and colleges. and i think the space for interaction between the one with the state government closed all high schools and colleges until friday, while the high court judges here legal arguments and decide whether or not the law on constitutional freedom is been broken. part new, middle al, jazeera new daddy. ah. all right, let's bring in our guests in new delhi, fatima han, a journalist at the quint indoor, how would i, chandra, assistant professor of government at georgetown university and also in new delhi

honest tanveer advocate at the supreme court of india and founder of the indian civil liberties union, a warm welcome to you all and thank you so much for being on the program today for them. let me start with you. how did all this begin in karnataka? did it all? just start in the past month with a handful of students protesting after they were told they couldn't attend school if they were wearing the her job or, or were there other incidents as well? when it started with sticks on young. i mean, in the mean we've been reading that he just but he is now reading up on me. incidentally, i'm going to that one and being bullied by a job and that is it. and he said that no, this is unacceptable. job is hard to find identity. he's an artist by the gym and it isn't you or you're not seeing any view on anybody want want to know when to not

be back on the head and that is eating. do you go and they took it upon themselves to protest against this. i'd be absolutely, i'd be judy, want to see that was in that one is you never want college incident. it wasn't going to college a private institution. and in that very moment, they said that they cannot be on the see, because as i want to mention, knightstead allowed to experience, says van that, i'm not if you want to do an interview that isn't a one day to day even to the snowboarding of national you was, it became nationally was and might be what, what the university colleges decided to one day to stop them from i'm doing you still waiting that it would, i fall to mother was mentioning the difference between whether it's a state institution or of, or a private institution, when it comes to wearing

a job, i want to ask you, i want to take a step back for a moment. were female students in karnataka state allowed to wear had scarves to class before that. did it depend upon what kind of institution they were going to and, and also is asking a muslim woman not to wear her job in karnataka or other parts of india, a violation of their rights as citizens? it's definitely nice to my family. i mean, i think that the constitution give everyone an equal right to practice and propagate their religion. and then there's never been an issue with people wearing big man, rarely natal, on muslim woman bedding ahead stuff. and i really see that this is a kind of deliberate and mischievous boy and not the guy is very much a test ground tactic. clearly political tactics which i suppose before, the next national election. that is a big push for uniform,

a little cold. and this is something that the current regime in india would like to actually see us from your perspective does banding, the job in these schools go against the constitutional rights of the students. ah, and it, it does what is the constitutional right of these students? but most importantly, this is not because they are like over. i mean, obviously the constitutional rights are being violated, but they're being wiley good without the state having any legal overdue. so the college has never prescribed any uniform. it's not that the students are going against the st. norma, going against the uniform or the building. now they have all of these factors observed the job. the state has no legal standing. the law either in the state of connecticut education act does not get any follow. do they go late, uniform of the students? the no need to release the institutions. i'm even if there is a mention of

a uniform, it is only with regard to giving all of the school to be in an uniform. richard, this is school has not done yet. so this whole exercise where they are going to be doing it. i know stopping sometimes violently, these students are in college, my life. oh, really the job is i like most traditional and against all the signals of the law and found them up from your vantage point. and these tensions between hindus and muslims. i mean, obviously that's nothing new, but the fact that these long running tensions are now playing out among a different generation among younger people that it's affecting students and not just middle aged politicians or policy makers. what does that, what does that say to you about the state of things in india right now. it absolutely, and what's in it, you know, i speak to so many young them as part of my job because i call it them in my call.

it wasn't justice and so many of them have said that in the last 5 years, 7 on, you know, they have lost their friends, they have lost, it was a sense people who they never thought would going out to be bid. it would not be in that in a to be then leaving this saw just begin eating, the start of ending in 8 and it was conventional on the last day and i feel it wasn't really when i thought for them. i seen that i said nothing can be more on making than that. i was leaving this country, you know, was invalid. but just the fact that the people who taught would never leave your say that would never one day and say these things in 2nd go visual on that i go to see this young girl vetting the he job entering, hopefully shaving on the beach. she's been trying to enter into this cooling. these could be for the young men, extremely young boys, bedding assessing to was hating hood as england, england for maintaining on jennings,

millions of jesse. she still managed to willard, had high and low seen and eating, meaning the new he said that you know, some of them, many of them who don't say this, but some of them will last needs the proceeding. nice. imagine the trauma that day . so, and it is all like that, can you win because it's not some v latoya even go to bedding against emily, offend your classmates who die. i saw a tweet of yours where i believe you were referring to. some of the students that videos have emerged showing them as they're trying to go to class and being heckled by, by others there by other male students. many of them wearing these saffron robes, heckling the women that are in the ha job. and in the, one of your tweets, you said that some of these female protesters are showing more courage than the entire opposition in india, which cannot raise this matter on the eve of a critical election. why, in your opinion,

can the opposition not bring this issue up? well, i think the key, the really changed the political discourse. increasingly you have the common response. you try and also say hinduism is different from what you do perhaps. but i think we have to accept that many hindu classmates and maybe even compatriots are tired of this kind of common violence. and this kind of politics and the book and the opposition is not willing to take it on there because they recognize and society has moved to them as you can injection. so they fine, but actually there is no incentive for them beyond of your article just just perhaps the week, but they are not going to make this into a major election issue. they are not going to make this into a big debate about the idea of honest, let me ask you about the fact that the,

the high court, which is hearing a petition by muslim girls to allow the use of her jobs and educational institutions while they referred the case to a bigger panel of judges was that expected and from your vantage point, what happens now? so the, the matter was reported by the judge due to a larger major as it is quite, i'm the larger venture, continued the heading today. some really good missions, why made from the final position? why they're also i human and demand for release and why the god, his stomach goes, i've been to college, let them observe a dominant and other college continue with their study because they have the doctor . if i remember going to keep so the court was not even going to go grab that to leave my there is not listed for a concentration,

an argument on monday, and from my understanding of it. and the law starters, as the last dance, the court should do in august. oh, in order in is designed in favor of their mission because this is their constitutional fundamental, the light and is the vital expressions have been good as hey, what you will is also part of your like to be busy. i like of is needed also like to live in liberty. no such action can be no, no, no action, no executive actually can be taken, which isn't going to engine of the heart. i'm a delight. i'm. that is the case today. they have been in action for which they never high level and which want to reach the constitution. fatima whenever this, this ruling is delivered, will there be other legal avenues available to the female students after the ruling

is made? where might the case go from here? leading us even more well, a strict on, on those issues, but i think socially or whatever, believe me beat a these visuals. just look at these visuals. imagine a country where this is being out in 21st century 20. when you were young woman cannot in the timing, you know, we've had the conversations about women's access to education was entities now and suddenly via still had had wide who that a section of a certain community source would not be allowed access. and i would like to be seen, unfortunately the disposing. india is such that it is just, you know, that being the most fundamental basic are discussing that. and i do about being, you know, should we mean be reading them or is it, is it something that we should be reading? is it, is it something that they mean foursquare on, on the kind of conversation i, it's the astounding was me, you think those could be for the young boys?

what heckling that, who are the feminists of some sort, honestly, viewers or something, just a value was, was done. we had this conversation about choice was conditioning, know the young man who had as single fuel you by virtue of being honest woman. and we had to see this in the larger context of what has been happening with the muslims in the country in canada. because specifically, that had been laws brought in against going was in a force we're going to say, but the been used as to the judges, one after another, up in muslim naming into faith relationships have been quite as and abuse because they've been forced. they've been accused of us when he got working on the, on, on them. demean, ugh, just a couple of months ago, just for your, the school at, and 6 months before that and least was brought out with, you know, muslim demean, roaming was image on the list active. his boyd's, what auction on line. i incidentally happened to be on both of those lists. so you

have to see this in just this whole diet of disturbing events, one of the other against muslims. i just want to go back for a moment to the issue of these state elections that have begun that are going to be playing out in phases. first of all, i'm curious to know how much you think the religious issue is, will become a part of these elections. will the headscarf issue be a much bigger part of the election? and also, do you believe that political actors are going to be trying to capitalize on these rising tensions? i think you have to come online in recent weeks and i think this is something from the tv studio than that i live in the media. i think they're ready to bring this up to come in like the election. they don't want to focus on the incompetence for development that the last 5 years and you'll be his truck. so be want version

of the narrative and naca you narrative. i don't think it's important issue and job because after 6 say that reading the top one is also under mental liked and it was an issue in the ninety's aware of that. but today this is not an issue. so i don't think it's going to have a film in go out and in punjab on us from your vantage point is what we're seeing happening right now. what's playing out in the car? not the guy is this unprecedented. this is not a busy day face deals now. i don't know how long it divides muslims having to action by the state, doctor's director, michael. since we have seen that fight in the speeches, we have seen that even though the mazda obstructed under the

state, looks the other side. i don't know the other side. if he a driveway, an honest, a doctor, go with either the other side. they're homeless again. i'm it is not something so facing it. they have a problem with the mostly my dignity i mostly moment really observing his job is an associate of how i need to be as a whole slim. i'll duyka sojourn while predicted by the constitution. makes these 2 goons. i call them wounds. make these want to be nose. i live. this is a training to watch the migration and was in pushing muslims to the cyclic fatima. how concerned are you right now that the attacks on religious identity have escalated this much? and later on, you know, because in the last couple of weeks i focused my recording on with this incident,

he is going for election study. and what i found is that large scale denials that used to be commonplace in india had been leased by events ladies. so imagine and was the woman a young single is sitting in any part of the country watching these visuals play out. what kind of an impact would you have on her psychologically? you know, it is essentially sending out a message that can look, we can do anything with you at any point and we can naturally any of that i can go gandhi. and you won't be able to do anything about it. so that kind of psychologically messaging i'd see, is much more dangerous than a concerted localized eye or criminal violence. because it leaves a lot more along good in back. and you know, the painting this day is repeatedly one of the best cities is august. go, may have been b, e l b o. which means steve the goals i interviewed the glenside. but at this point of bank, even debating with them that in the jobs belonging accessing to look awesome,

we're clearly leading my many, many steps backwards. what i saw you nodding along to a lot of work for pma were saying there. so looks like you wanted to jump in, go ahead. you know, i completely agree with my just i really think that the rule of law is now on, on, on try. and i think, you know, the fact that the high court didn't cuz i had before the issue itself, i think the problem and i think that, you know, they could have easily say that we should be able to wear whatever they want and carry on with their exams and classes, but they chose not to do this and they chose to make information where both sides being equally valid, argued. and i think that of a linear problem. and you know, i think that when i'm going to write something violated with impunity, incentive a very bad message and it's the same message that was sent when the mob in open

spaces was targeted in just mixture debbie. i think there are a number of these incidents micro level incidence, the different localities them states which come together inside but space to create an atmosphere which is an apple of intimidation and ultimately lawlessness. because it's the law is not going to protect the minority. and the list, and we also, we have to talk about that, but there are people who are not to be protected by the law and the citizens of this country. and it's really a huge problem if there are large parts of the country that by the law and the constitution. and i said it's hard. this really has re ignited the debate about the rights of india as minorities under the hindu nationalist government hasn't. oh yes, it has, and i will agree with what they say. it is the rule of law that is on trial and

i'll extend it to the fact that it is course that our trial legally see the democratic system that is in india that are going to become the same dinner. if you read i was the custodian of the constitution, i'm my own the minorities unpredicted by that constitution. and that was usually predicted by the courts. but at the courts look the other way. or if they are not actively predicting minorities predicting those way endangered, predicting those were of this with the situation. remember what it has already come for any one has the other good. get almost in good going to school or going to college, or if those voices are, these boys are shut down by saying that her real to have a like to with her johnson, i say was installed you from reading that by you cannot take away the light of almost a moment where, where that is her. so this is

a duck on the idea. you did this isn't a dark on the democratic and wants to do so sort of over a father. we don't have a whole lot of time left, but let me just ask you, do you think that we're going to see these protests and counter protest growing in the week? said thank you. so i think so did. in the last few years, i didn't look when you, when you did a writing that i was in what i did and that one does it also stop in as a bunch of people who support to move on to the starting his don't go flores against people who are asking them if you don't, if you put a thing against the citizens of amendment and at your desk on the go daddy, you know, boyd or was actively manufactured, orchestrated in such a way that was what i like to do in the national was so i think i'm 1000000000 unless a or active each i seem to being and stepping and give the zooming that i said the, i mean landing b, b i, i'm

a city and the do you know what is going to increase on what it? all right, well we have run out of time, so we're gonna have to leave the conversation there. thank you so much. all of our guests. ultima, hon. would i, chandra, and honest. tanveer and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com, and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter. handle is as a j inside story mohammed, i'm doing a whole team here. bye for now. ah

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