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and also a draft project with the state member states of nato, the united states, hampshire floor, but lot of common words, famine, mythology, felicity, but old is turned out to be a secondary level of them. i think we move to the questions we're just put to this one side and with and so we reacted admirably with william of he'll go to look at us mother. the questions have to be looked at as a package of measures a 3 could you would they have to re key aim in the state of washington. one use of not allowing the further extension of nato that is our 1st one. yeah, yes. government. your world. second, need not to have attack systems on russians borders. and 3rd libby to say you're busy with office in mobile, with mobile, by going back to 1997 when act was signed between russia and nato. those are
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principal proposals as up with me, but europe, the western partners, i repeat is sure. once again, as i would you me for middle school, they were did that every state has the right to choose it. security by him. lisa, you williams. any boy, i think ally enters alliance, so nothing has changed. so even if we take all these references into account would affect it with those shows that they're trying to blackmail us again. see me got away with sanctions from mobile to what you by media people in your i think they will carry them out. was there any way should match up? it look at an excuse for these sanctions made will always be found for medical fabricated music. and yet, the independence dilemma, the aim is one to distribute races terrain,
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the development of russia. they did this before her up. she is 2nd for my and without any. and we formal reason. you can just because we, i get them and we have never given up our sovereignty, our national interests and our values. i want to say clearly and directly they got a gun. i've given you the situation where the properties of the dialogue on the principle that questions without response from the united states when the level of threat is consider re growing only of probably russia has a full right to take measures for its security that he, william cooper, and that is how we are going to act as a o, as in indian with them as far as the situation dumbass is concerned with the see the question, which is constantly when you analyze public, he would not wanting to carry out a number of measures that are not in the interests of peace with that again,
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trying to organize in don's bus g as in 2014 or 15 and like went to list of late you and europe. how these adventures start, how they will end. now i would nadia which is not one day will go without m birth shootings without movies go away without large groups. but wouldn't you pilot? i see that you, if you can, with rockets, artillery will be for music in the black and the killing of innocent citizens village women, children. a question does not stop. well go, as it was said, how'd we and we end this bloodshed for in a civilized world in youth. and you can see the only one that be really way when legally as our west legislative, what does that refer and our western colleagues prefer not to notice this one. she worked all. this is all at horror. this is a genocide, human joy, millions
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a 1000000 people them and only think because these people did not agree to support . who was the people? if was what's happened in 2014, this'll go from the the senior in the states movement looks on the reason of nationalism yellowy. i guess you along with a 1000000 aggressive nationalism reboot, it was asleep when suddenly and for there you go. any music to speak with me or to speak in their own language bill to defend their own culture. hello. how long can this tragedy carry unfolding shortly? the good. how long, much longer can we put up with this? 4th, a rush has done everything for its territorial integrity. we can tell you about it was, there is falling yet, is it to carry out the resolutions of the un security council with the security of 2015, a whole range of measures of the settling, the situation and on bass. all of this simply yet the people that the rather has
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just been ignored, douglas seemingly not from an aggressive nationalist character of the very regime once the recall was due. but as the assist fully loaded with lead to the queue in 2014, my celia girlfriend and violence blood shed is my will you please know you lawlessness for them present? only william and without not be attending it, set to the milk. she worries you with this regard on your credit. i consider it's natural more not to the of take a decision which i to taken of a long time. let me say to recognize the independence of the sovereignty of the done yeske and against republics. early february of the assembly of the russian federation has taken this decision to, to be examined for me in the support of friendship and assistance for these republics of getaway. these 2 elements will be signed in the very near future.
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i still usually when those who are able to holding me back when the current to stop the military actions as quickly as possible or their responsibility to bloodshed on the territory of ukraine. i think the fuel issues, claire this decision today, i just give us the support i also call on the russians russian citizens so that it's, i thank you. right, so we have just been listening there to the russian president vladimir putin delivering a televised address actually started by speaking at some length about the geographic and historical ties between russia and ukraine. one point calling
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land in the author and creator of ukraine. so he did go quite far back in history. now the russian president has already informed the leaders of france and germany today of his intention to recognise the 2 pro ration breakaway republics in the eastern ukraine. the regions of danielle and the hands of the russian intention to recognise the independence of these 2 regions. kremlin issuing a statement earlier on saying that in the near future, the president plans to sign the order. and of course, the fear is, could either lead to a full scale war, possibly invasion, or at the very least, cause the crisis to get even was well under it. because man is ukraine's ambassador to cattle. he joins us live now from the doe. how can i just start by getting your thoughts, your response to the remarks of the russian president very
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good evening and that to do her her for me to be virtual in london is a great pleasure since i used to work in the embassy in london and used to take part in the direct draught custer in the deceased kind use. what can i tell you her was of your question, sir, this is sir. quite serious message. i would like not to analyze this mix of fabricated historical facts. her imperialistic ideas, direct accusation off the rest and civilization nato. this is not for me as this is for a historic guns. politicians are for the future in but are we should be a ready tor response. we it means the
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civilization, sharon, zip principles are off democracy, freedom our common values 0, right? to choose human rights. or we have to response by our unity. we have to do ever sin to stop the big potential war or russia against ukraine can. can i ask you because of an invalid set, that the fear is net of isn't militarily in a rush as capability could, could cripple at the ukraine. stefan says, do you have confidence that ukraine's allies will provide you with that? so tiff protection? well, in fact, 75 percent of the russian army, which means more than $150000.00 troops is around ukrainian territory. and
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in this very moment the russians crying about the ukrainians threat. this is hypocrisy. we are ready to fight. we are not expecting some need to a soldiers, some our eliza will fight. again, we will fight. instead of us. we have the trained and equipped army. we are grateful for our allies, for our partner's country, united states, united kingdom, poland, canada, bolted countries from other countries for providing us with more than weapons. of course, it will help us to stop. but if we will have a critical mass, a critical number of such of happens, it could really stop the aggression before is beginning. since the price of response, the price russia to pay would be much,
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much greater. the decision to recognize the independence of the self proclaimed people's republics. have done yes, good hands. it is, you know, it's in response to a plea for russian protection of a plan to ukrainian offensive. and you just said there in your remarks that, that they are crying about that being a threat from ukraine to people there have have some inc to fear from kiev. well, key of is trying to do its best to prevent the big war. i will address to this statement of my president, mr. se landscape munich conference. so with the concrete and direct program of actions to be taken among those, the immediate her and the very tough actions are against russia. as a clear understanding off our terms. ofa nay. to membership,
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the earth throws the supply of weapons to ukraine, further assistance, financial assistance off her top for the ukraine and economy. since we are spending more than 6 percent of g d, p for the defense and the by doing that, by the way, we are protecting european civilization and our common values, sir, against someone who would like to disrupt ever since. so is it an, it is an all out war or some sort of military action now, inevitable? in your view? would you say categorically that the diplomacy has failed? well, or you know, diplomat, sir there is saying there the depend once never should say no. i sink
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to the very last, 2nd to the very last meaning. i mean, it's the possibility of the diplomatic solution exists, but the potential decision of recognition of this to terrorist and claims a means the unilateral of his role in the fresh from minsk agreement to which we are recognized as the universal tool by the world society to cope with these aggression and to stop the war, it means that another mechanism should be elaborated then my president and the minister for the press of ukraine, old rarely called for the consultations or for the parties, signatures of budapest. memorandum, of course, russia will try to block it, but beautiful memorandum is not the collective system. the countries signed it in its own capacity and nothing prevents them to realize the
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political obligations at gentlemen's obligation. mister, cuz like i mentioned before, the solution. yeah, i mean, you mentioned russia's recognition of the separatist regions in eastern ukraine to be a violation of minced but isn't the reality that the minsk agreements failed long before now this was the, this is going to go shane's broker by france and germany. that was meant to find a solution to the, the crisis that we have now. but at the heart of it was this dilemma, this fundamental disagreement of ukrainian sovereignty. and that was never, that was never resolved. well, i cannot tell you that her, the means k agreement failed, or the failure of wars her due to the russian understanding. and the russian intentions are to concentrate themselves at the political part
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of this agreement and to neglect the security part. but a v, a step by step approached, which was proposed by a ukraine and actually enshrined in such minsk agreement, crossed a ceasefire with their own troops with their own heavy technique or withdrawn or for in the military formations. from was it eric or a few cream and zen and afterwards or, or to or contina was a political settlement or, as of now, probably the pertinent will be to come back to the idea or for heaven blue. how that under the edges of the united nations, at the territory or fur occupied don bus. and the young prince of opposition of ukraine's that among vessels should not be the russian
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troops since they are the direct bought off the conflict and it's right in force and it's close allies. sorry. ok well thank you very much ambassador and h because nanc i think having a bit of trouble with bay area apiece that that to let you sell down pap sack continue the conversation that they don't know. thank you so much i i do hear you right now. thank you so much. oh, okay. all right, well thank you very much ambassador, but to actually join me now is alex tito, the electron modern european history and an expert in russia with quinn's university in belfast. you'd have been listening to the russian presidents televised address just now. what was the purpose of that? what was he was he trying to achieve? well, i mean, to have to say it was,
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i didn't know where the speech was going because the way it laid out such a long history of relations, his view for ukraine was essentially a failed state. a platform for entourage in movement by nato and so forth. i mean, it's really felt like it was way going much further than just recognition of the 2 brick away republics. so i, yeah, i mean they, they sign it or mr. there, we're going to do it. but i don't think it's the end of it. i mean, the deep problem would be in russia. ukraine are just not going to be solved by this week. ignition is just one step in a very long road and i don't know what's the next. that will be a long speech. and of course, he did go into a great deal of history. i suppose. one thing it really demonstrated was there, well, the rush, the way in which he views ukraine and,
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and the sort of deep historical, even at spiritual geographical ties between the 2 countries. one thing i suppose is mae claire in that speech, if not before now, is that russia is not prepared to compromise on ukraine. so where does that leave the possibilities for diplomacy? well, it's really depends on so many factors because it's still unclear what they recognize . this is just those republics. the characteristic control of the line of separation, whether as those republic himself claim is the whole of territory of pre war regions, which if it's claimed moreland it what they are, the house i might need a much larger invasion. wooten was looking, bought a lot about natal and nate, a cooperation with ukraine saying that those training centers in nato already made defective basis of nature and so forth. all those things is basically kind of shows
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that, um yeah, i mean you can rigor shade on those things, but the russian demands are not going away. the russian to months about no membership of may, every for you kind of need to none, military support of native for your grain. these shoes over broader, your repeating conjecture, just not going going away. this is a, he's not serious about it and it is options he has in front of him all quite clockwise white in terms of from the taking action military actions of against grade. keith finished his speech that say that basically giving ultimatum that's the ukrainians have to stop the military operation and on boss ah, and well, at the moment they just a shooting at each other. and i mean, you know, would say if, if that's the, just such a huge potential for a wider conflict to interpret between speech, that is, it can be quite scary to be honest. i thank you very much alex, to tell that. joining us that can i had taught abdullah,
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honey cheese and constantine of care in the done yet screeching of eastern ukraine . and under the sense is that it's going to become increasingly difficult to that. a war between russia and ukraine. what is the and the, the atmosphere like where you are now? well, certainly there is a lot of anxiety in the air tension. people are worried. i would, i would imagine that a lot of people were listening to the speech of the russian president trying to figure out what's going to happen next, specially in this part of the country. now they do, you have these 2 self proclaimed. busy republics that are not very far from here, but the ambitions of the separate as there are much further than those borders that were dead. widow agreed upon with the minsk agreement when they 1st bade they push back in 2014, they came much,
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much further including where i'm standing and old. basically, they would look at the historical borders as old, the entire nets and look at a region. so people will be wondering, what does that mean, what does that mean under ground? does that mean that you know, they would be russian tanks rolling. busy into the these 2 self proclaimed republics. would they put set up bases there? one person was talking about these piece keepers, russian peacekeepers which are basically the military and moving in there. and then maybe after consolidating those position, but pushing for it. i think this is a discussion that even here more and more among ukrainians and then there are, there are those ukrainians are actually quite happy about what is happening. even aware, you know, in other parts of denise can look at that and not under the control of the separate, as you do have people who oper russians. you do have people who do prefer to look
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at the leadership in moscow rather than have a lead leadership in cave. so it is a very complicated situation in all of that. we still have to hear reaction from the government itself as the russian president was speaking well at president zalinski and, and his national security team were convening president. lindsey had had a phone conversation with both defense president manuel mccall and the german chancellor. all of scholes. i can imagine that that meeting stopped and everybody was watching and listening to what vladimir putin had to say, and they would probably be discussing that. and so now all eyes and all ears will be on kim and see if anything comes out of that meeting. and what would be the 1st statements that would come out from president landscape and honda? what about these davy reports of clashes and eastern ukraine that we keep getting? and at times of direct clashes between russian and ukrainian forces you've been
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hearing much about well that there has been an intensification over the past few days with moments of love and then it picks up again. but certainly people are worried, one person we spoke to that lived in one of those downs border along to contact line, told us that she didn't hear such intensity of shelling since back in 2014 in her area. now this, this is actually worrying people from her vantage when she didn't know in which direction it was going. both sides are denying that they are shooting at each other but it is happening. so this can only spiral. busy further out of control and that could happen very, very quickly. you could have now do the. busy people in the, in the self profane republic, the russian back separate is feeling in bolden by the words. busy coming out of
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moscow by the moves coming out of moscow, maybe feeling a bit stronger or. ringback they could be told also to hold back. i mean, it's all really up in the air and that, you know, about 10 days ago i was in those areas traveling along that contact line. and whoever i spoke to at the time, including soldiers in the trenches, brushed away the idea that they would be a military escalation. that they would be a full scale invasion. the minister of defense was on a daily basis as saying that the number of troops gathered on the russian side of the border were not the enough for, for an invasion. president zelinski was calling upon ukrainians to come down. he had harsh words for the rhetoric coming out of suited western capital and he did tell ukrainians to not listen to these applica liptak scenarios that were being depicted well now, fast forward 10 days, 2 weeks forward,
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a things that seem to have changed completely. everything is up in the air, and people now are wondering if all of that would happen. where are they surprised that there is a dead? there is a recognition upper denture work admission of these 2 republics? no, many would tell you that that was in the games, but since back in 2014 people here is no good government here refers to those 2 areas as the temporary occupied to regions of ukraine. and when they talk about occupation, what they are, meaning is russian occupation. there's ended. the russians have been there since day one, not in full official military capacity, but they've been there. they've had the intelligence in service men there. they had advisors, military advisors, underground. they've been supporting financially, they've been giving weapons. so that does not come as a surprise. a does it infuriate people it does? does it scare people?
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certainly it does. and how did, to some extent we keep hearing that people are sort of accustomed to that the regular atmosphere of, of tension because it was just discussing the minutes agreements with the crating ambassador to dall. obviously that there was a ceasefire at one time. but that, that agreement was not properly implemented. and actually there is a conflict that's been going here since going on here since 2014 yes, it is a conflict that's been going on for 8 years. and, you know, to people living alone does contract lines have been, you know, sort of saying, well, we've been living in a state of war, but that was a sort of low level state of work yet they've been flareups. but they've never been since back then a potential of another full scale war as what we're seeing at the moment. so certainly the atmosphere has changed and the divisions among the people have
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changed and you have even in this town, people who would support the separatist people who would support russia and they would probably be be bold enough to sort of express their opinion at once again. so the repercussions of what will happen is not only within the borders of these 2 republics, but it could spread further among people really in the different towns of city, of these 2 regions. and if you go to the north, for example, we were about 3 weeks ago by the border with bella, who's actually less than that 2 weeks ago. and people there will also tell you that they had no problem with russia, that they would welcome russian troops. if they will, if they came through the borders, so if you do have that at home, thank you so much, really appreciate to attend. however, we can continue our conversation order. i just have been reporting to some of the done yet screeching there. actually, just a quick development here that ukrainian president says he has discussed the events
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