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that is a conversation that we are going to have with caveat sam and iran. thank you so much for being part of today's show. kathy, will you introduce yourself to our international audience? tell them who you are. what you do? they sent me. i'm copier pearlman and the founder and ceo x r safety initiative. it's a global non profit based in san francisco. our mission is to help build safety and inclusion in x r ecosystems. and now we have a word for it. a. the members are very nice. hello, sound good to have you on board. these introduce yourself to our stream view as please. thanks for having me to. i'm samantha g wolf. i am the founder of pitch ford and i'm an adjunct professor at n y u. i focused on marketing and brand strategy for emerging technologies was sort of a even narrower focus on technologies related to the members. it's a heavy and hello and run please. and she shall self track level audience. tell

them who you are and what you do. hi, my name is muhammad. i'm chief executive center for country digital, high base in washington, d. c. where a non profit looks at the homes are being created and digital spaces and trucks to find ways to come to them in part by exposure, in part by trying to get the right legislation. or i guess i'm gonna give you one sentence, you can use it, how you want to use it to tell our audience a little bit more about the matter 1st, what it is, what it will be, what it would look like, what it looks like right now caveat how you use that sentence, go ahead. so if i were to think about members, i would say it is the inter connected virtual wars. at some point it will be in its full effect. what we are seeing right now is sort of like the foundation of these words was being laid out. we would have inter operability persistence, precedence,

all that fun stuff. and then we'll be able to move across these different bushel was and then we'll see the full effect of the metaphors come to bring in for very long sentence. what is your, what is your brief description of the matter of us for our audience? brief description is nearly impossible when it comes to the members like you and like you thinking of it as sort of a combination of all of these merging technologies coming together or on the verge of what you would call the 4th industrial revolution. which, you know, the 1st was sort of steam and water power railroads and, and the most recent one was the internet. and so this is, this is the next one that's coming. and part of the reason that, i mean, how would you describe the internet when it was 1st launching? it was nearly impossible. so we're, we're on the verge of yet another revolution. iran. what would you like to add? well, i think just a simple explain us for people that are immersed in tackle day is that it's just

a different way of experiencing 3 d environments like your kids might play on call of duty or you might play a quality. so you so, and it's a way of navigating it using a virtual reality headsets goes over your eyes, so you're experiencing it as you move your eyes, move your head, you're able to see and saw the environments that are using a control or mouse. and it comes with all the pros and cons of 3 d environments on digital spaces. so we all know that if you play call of duty, often here, terrible things, you know, you'll hear racism, you'll see your him socially imagine experiencing but now in full 3 day. being able to see the person saying it. what the mess of us is. i actually disagree when it comes to v r only that tends to be one of the mistakes people make. it's actually going to be a combination of both for to reality and augmented reality. so it's not just going into virtual world, but going into the real world and experiencing sort of overlay is on top of it,

wherever you go. so right now there are more virtual reality headsets out there than the augmented reality glasses that are coming and being used in the enterprise space. you have to think of it as both and the combination of that with all these other emerging technologies to guess i am going to allow our audience to get in on the conversation. if you're watching on youtube right now. the comment section is right. you got questions and comments please join us in today's discussion. i'm just curious, cathy as to this moment right now. what you in ron and kathy and, and simon thing describing is part of the internet parts of experiences that we've been able to have in the past. it's not just happening this year or the last 2 years. so this idea of the metaphors, it feels really buzzing right now. it's like, oh, this is gonna happen in the next 5 will 10 years. why? why is it come back as such,

a big thing is that you as far as tech companies are concerned big and small. so hey, i remember speaking with laurie seagal at 60 minutes and she asked me in april 2021 is the member's real. and to that i said whether it's not whether it's real or not, we better get ready for it because you know, exercise. we had been observing this sort of evolution of technology. and then in october 2021 last year when the mark dr. burke, the ceo of facebook now called meta change, the name announced that they want to be the members company. it really just sort of exploded. it drove tremendous. we seem to look at it as a market opportunity and just, you know, marketing folks to, to search engine optimize to get the lakes everywhere. you see every article pretty

much a place where i'm sitting in the valley is like everyone's talking about the members and what's coming. so it's become this sort of type lord, prior to that october seen the graph of this word, even in the marketing platform with this, but then suddenly it's, it's been quite exposed to since then what happened? but also some of it is the zoom like people are just sort of getting zoom and skype fatigue. and i think a lot of people are just saying, what's next, what's going to happen and, and this kind of interaction that is, is beyond just the 2 d screen. i think a lot of people are like, oh, it's nice to look forward to sort of a new way of interacting. what i, i don't, i mean, perhaps the soon fatigues actually the leading to people wanting to spend time with each other and make them are not quite convinced. the big lesson from 2 years of being stuck on screens is actually on my screen to be even close at my eyes and for the interaction that i might enjoy in real life to be completely virtual gas. can i

make, you know, i can, if i let me just jumping for a for a moment. this suggestion comes from gavin many teeny, he is from an austin, texas company called. and this is his take as to why the technology is being developed so quickly for the matter of us. this is what he had to say area code happened. and obviously code was kobinie was terrible, but end up being a silver lining for mercy. because our idea went from being a crazy, futuristic 2020, a kind of idea to await everyone in the world is now working from home. and they're looking for ways to stay productive. they're looking for ways to collaborate now that it can mean office and immerse me to license now as we're going to be that tech bridge to, to be a better tech bridge than zoom or flack or video conferencing and shot software's sam. yes, now this was and couldn't have said it better myself. i do think that yes, there is definitely the sort of need for interpersonal interaction in the real

world. i think that, you know, probably one of the, the 2nd most likely words to be being used be on metaphors within the a r v or circles is this idea of presence and what air and brings you a sense of presence that you are with somebody that somebody is in the room even if it might be virtual. and so that at least within the community that has be or headsets and can sort of do this. it was amazing to see all these, you know, all of my friends and colleagues and feel like i was with them. even though i couldn't be at a conference there couldn't be other meet up. and so it really, you know, i'm already a fan, but it made me even more of a fan of what's to come. so i'd have to agree with them actually, cuz i remember i read it and make i would feeling so isolated. and i, it really comforted me and ron, i know you may not like the idea. i'm also kind of put skeptic when it comes to

technology. but i was able to connect with new friends and believe it or not, one of the friends that i made during the pandemic in b r. i took a trip to europe during that little window and you know, on the ground was not still on the right. and i actually met his friend in berlin. so what i feel like if you can really make real connection real, you know, you can even conduct real commerce, you know, the back in the days that head of security for the oldest existing virtual platform called 2nd life. even though it's too deep has this component of connecting with people, creating new things, exchanging partial good, a full fledged economy. and i think about it, is this a good way to connect to not? but really, what i want to think about for the matter of us as the risk and the safety enron. if i may, can i place some video from a center for countering digital hate?

you know what this video is, but it brings up some issues that you and your team have seen with the met of us and play the video and go straight to you as a clock. ah job in standards, privacy and safety need to be built into the met averse from day one. you really want to emphasize these principles from the store. ah, the wrong way. he didn't tell us in the video. can you tell us now,

what did your team see a, what's giving you a concern when they spent time in the matter of us. other really simple level, virtual reality headsets are becoming increasingly popular, not least because of the gaming opportunities that they, that they gave young people. and just before christmas marks, i said, the reason why we're talking about the matter is that the matter is facebook, which is now called methods rounded, venture into virtual reality. and they started by buying the oculus headset technology. and they've been slowly building the day. now think they're out at a point where they're saying actually this is the next big thing for us. so we'd have to check whether or not mark fuck about finance. but the method if he told parents before christmas, as he saw that the privacy and safety built him for moment walk in on the mess of us, we thought, well, why don't you check the beats

a version of the mess of us the op keyless quest headset and see what the safety and privacy features look like. it turns out it's not great in terms of safety. the stuff that we saw on the and i will drink that in a 2nd. we weren't even able to report on the headset the, the app reporting mechanism is broken. we went to the website to try and report it . it was problematic that we submitted the report. there was no fee, but so the, i personally sent the $100.00 videos that we found of abuse happening. we managed to record over to monica bicker, who's the global head of trust and security at facebook. and we didn't get a response for him from this part. there was, i'm, this is what we found the grooming of young people. there was exposure of young people to hardcopy and there was kids being abused and bullied. there was an unbelievably frequent number of uses of the n word of people. there's one particular part where a young kid was being encouraged 12 year olds,

be encouraged to use the n word. and then you hear him say in a child's voice and that is chilling. so these, all these are problems. i don't know the question being posed, you know, of the ball from the screen's showing the problem. we haven't really grade virtual with us in the real world. if you were to walk around as one person did in the mess with shouting the n word, repeat 4 minutes and minutes and minutes, you'd be kicked out the pub. but you're be told that you're telling them to know that so that you're at the strangest thing is it's a love one. a fact, one of the crew showed me a video from the viral video and somebody had used the n word and the present to the end. would like to say, they regretted it immensely. i. there was an instant, an instant reaction, and it was a reaction that probably that person will never say that and would again. so that's real life. let me go to youtube because i've got some really interesting comments here. fraud says harassment free. that's impossible. people are going to harass

even more samuel shit, you know, not in go ahead just very briefly cuz i'm gonna do this speedily to get as many comments in as possible. absolutely. i mean, i think that that was one thing that we didn't anticipate when it came to the internet is exactly how dark the internet can get. and i think that that's where we, you know, where eyes were open in that way. and they can be, as we go into this, i new form of technology and interaction. and i think you can innovate and moderate and mitigate all at the same time. and you don't have to necessarily just believe one or the other. tadja twixt a says on youtube is pretty much inevitable that trolling and harassment is by no means a new concept. in this kind of digital environment, it's impossible to ensure it's complete security and safety for use as a special case. it's impossible. is it a go faster than a mon,

you pick up the back of kavya? so it's, i wouldn't say it is entirely impossible. it would have to depend from a use case perspective. so yes, it would be impossible where you are having a completely social virtual open to everybody experience. but let's say if you're in a classroom setting, where you are only allowing authenticated individuals or if you're in a work setting than it is absolutely possible to moderate it. and the idea that we have to understand here is the accountability. whose responsibility is it to moderate? and once we have this room, you know, shared responsibility. it is possible, but it definitely depends on, you know, what kind of a context are we looking at in wrong ahead. well, on a, on a, on a, on a closed platform like massive, massive, massive horizon wells,

which is that premier application or any of the other apps on that platform. quite clearly the rules a set by those companies and they themselves received the reports of palms being created on that. and they then lay out the enforcement. now, funnily enough matter has a real opportunity here to set the norms of behavior on these platforms because people have to buy an expensive headset. and what they don't use for the headset to be essentially. but what's called break. so just turned off from access to their services because that person's broken. who now just imagine a situation where if someone decides to walk around to 5 minutes, an open area and just shout be repeatedly, they were told that their headset would no longer be usable. that's a very powerful way of starting to set some of the norms of behavior. the social morris, as we call them, says ology of those platforms. but we don't. why not? because this is a high investment area. facebook decided they designated that enormous as

a major investment priority. what you're now seeing, of course, is as we did with social media and other spaces, you'll see an enormous number of consultants of the, of the wider economy that are very excited by this, this monetary opportunity to make money out of the all. and that's what we want to do with this. they're not doing it for the good of humanity. they're not doing a surgeons or for classrooms or doing it because they think there's a mass advertising opportunity. they'll have billions of people that they can advertise, i think. but actually there's been a real failure of imagination on how enforcement and the setting of norms can happen. and i think that thinking of the are an a or is just being a social platform is really understand that, you know, under selling the possibilities of it. it is in my class that you here, i taught the business of air and d, r and we covered over 22 industries. i had over 50 guests and you know,

social 3 are, can be almost set apart from the rest of those are enterprise applications. i also, you know, you have to remember, again, this is not just be, are, this is be, are, this is a, are you have to pay attention to what i antic is doing, what nvidia is doing. even roadblocks, even though it's not necessarily, you know, an, a r and b r application. they've had to manage, you know, hundreds of millions of children and work in the platform and they're not perfect at it. but boy, are they, they're not getting the kind of responses that you know, the metal facebook are. so i don't want to discount the potential of the members and all the underlying technologies and say, we shouldn't do this because there, there may be things that go wrong. of course, there things could go wrong. that hadn't done with any new technology sense. so i

agree with you, but i also agree with the iran, and then i want to try to caution. so i agree that are going to be lot of use cases . but then you know what, iran you're suggesting that you, no matter has this opportunity to potentially regulate or just like kind of monitor the system and then proactively introduce what you're sort of considering sort of safety by design or maybe disabling something because the audio, the n word or based on the behavior. and if you really think about it, they have now expanded too many, many like over there crossing quite a huge number with respect to horizon wars. and they introduce a trust and safety mechanism that utilizes artificial intelligence. contextualize ai that will literally observe you while you are interacting. so the kind of mechanism you're proposing it will have to be traded off with your privacy. so in a way we create this sort of a prison panopticon scenario where every prisoner is being observed and that

changes the behavior of the person. so there was a little bit of a dilemma in automating trust and safety. and that said, in long run, go ahead by a really simple level. if someone's doing something bad, you should be able to report it easily. so with messrs. oculus, if i was to, let's say my friend had an oculus quest. if i put it on my head, it would automatically log me in, is that it so it so simple can use. they want you to get into it and they want to spend time. if you try and report something, it took my team who are all very, very bright and have been doing this for a long time, a long time to work out exactly how to resolve the b r chat name with the actual oculus name and the facebook id and that could be that you want to set up the actual instances and that it's really, really difficult. so that should be effective reporting of breaches of the rules. that should be clear rules stated the beginning people should know what the community standards are. you talk about panopticon, panopticon is,

is just what we say is that the ai driven, i'm not sure exactly how that works or if it's even feasible. in reality, what is feasible is, if bad things happen, people should be able to report them, but they should be some rules. and if people break the rules that should be a consequence for them. i'm back to me and you use an optical, which i mean immediately to me as a liberal, but induces a sense of gosh, i don't want to have a prison in which all can see all old times that there is an overloaded leviathan watching an old time saying, thou shalt thou shalt not. but we should be able to set those social standards straight, but we don't have it at the moment and pop the reason is because facebook, you know, one of the real question here is of course you've got the use cases for all these industrial uses education surgery other types of technology engineering. however, this is about facebook because this is the matter. and people don't trust mark such a bird to babysit their kids because he's terrible. mother,

he's called for me. all right, now we just bring in another voice. this is omni, an omni is a founder and ceo of sexual violence prevention association. this is still developing technology. and this is what omni says about the matter of us. better microsoft heavily some new safety features, but there is still a long way to go to and sexual harassment in virtual reality, many of the existing safety features and protocols are ineffective or unenforced. this cast out on the new safety measures further. the new safety measures focus on touchy and personal space that sexual harassment can be perpetrated in many other ways. meta and microsoft must develop safety features to prevent and address all forms of sexual violence including verbal abuse, physical threats, virtual assault, stocking, and pedophilia. with these new safety measures, mehta and microsoft are taking a small step in the right direction,

but far more is needed to eradicate sexual harassment and virtual reality asked say, guest is really study quite a conversation on line twixt as says, this is an exciting concept, although twixt there's a little bit concerned about safety for users, and then a kill says that there is another option. how about you don't use it. i guess like, ha, ha, ha, ha, thank you so much. i'm going to say thank you to kavya, to sam and to iraq. we have so much more to talk about what i hope is the developers big take a little take. are also having these vibrant conversations. because that way, than when we're all using excellent, met reverse, that is very immersive and exciting and safe. it's because of the conversations that we've had today. all right, thank you so much for being part of the day show. i see you next time. take everybody ah

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