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other headlines will have more news here on out 0 right after inside story. next news, news news. whereas the french connection now in west africa, troops are being withdrawn from molly after a 9 year mission of the european countries also leaving. so who will fill the bank in a voluntary region? what does that mean for the people of molly? this is inside story. ah, ah.
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hello and welcome to the show. i'm sammy's. a than 9 years ago, the people of molly lined the streets to welcome french troops who had arrived to stop an insurrection. but today, waving a french flag is seen as a symbol of colonialism and oppression. the relationship between the 2 countries doesn't look like it's getting any better. molly's military government expelled the french ambassador tobacco off day is fond minutes to cold, the june to illegitimate and out of control french troops. and now preparing to quit the country on the order of president emanuel mac chrome. malia has also told danish soldiers to leave. and the continued presence of german troops, sondra un peacekeeping mission is in doubt. but russian private military contract, those from the was the group all staying that's leaving you powers uneasy? the contracts are accused of exploiting molly's resources in exchange for protecting the gender. but molly and the time of the insecurity in their country,
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they say 9 years, a french invention is only served european interest. and they want an end to the french connection. president emanuel, my call warned against russian contracts is stationed in molly simpson at some place on the p. and these mercenaries have been in libya for years to capture resources. and what should go to the libyan people. they're actually leaving the country. they've been deployed in the central african republic for several years and i've committed a claims against civilians that the us have reported their coming to molly with predatory ambitions. and why? because the june time power and molly after to come and do considers they are the best part of they can find to consolidate their par, does not to fight terrorism, will introduce our guests in a mom. but 1st, let's look at the last decade of european military intervention in the south region in 2012 to our san francisco took over large parts of northern molly pye. the and iceland fight is also entered the region in january of the following year. former
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colonial pow front sent in troops to get rid of those groups. but after struggling for 9 years, france announced would end its operation early in 2022 danish soldiers. and molly have also been told to leave immediately. and sweden says its troops will leave in march, and germany, members of parliament have questioned the presence of its soldiers in molly, as part of the un peacekeeping mission maneuvers ma the. let's bring our guests into the show. we have joining us from some aloe in france, junk law. he's a senior research fellow at the global policy institute from ankara in gala, quite done so as a research fellow at the cofi and an international peacekeeping training center. and on the line from vanco and molly was joined by the young co yeah. summer k, a politician and former diplomat. welcome to all, i could start with quite co. so why have relations broken down?
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quite co between molly and france. thank you very much. well, i think for a number of reasons, 1st of all, i think the french presence in monday has become increasingly sees that the boy meds of the forces see monday. you know, the number of volunteers to mr. parks have been on is 30 increase and people have the perception bad friend to order something to get her monday treat capacities back. us should be able to address that situation, but he has not been a dish, and the boss has petition stuff will be met. ron socco, even if the french are not performing, as mullins hoped, the rather bitter exchange of words is something else, isn't it? how do we explain that?
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yes. so relationship between the 2 parts. wish if i can quad partners, but it retrieve me, molly and i read are being strained. been recent times, particularly given the refuse are of the agenda in monday to comply with no address impulse to return the country in prostitution are rule. so aside from that, the emergence of the wagner group on the scene is sherman not much, but it's not acceptable to them. french who i do have the we've these, you said nothing said by that a mess and irish, so strained relationship has been i have ever said. and therefore,
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the decision on the french about the also have some was to say french had some words to say about the legitimacy of those in charge of molly right now. who came to pass through a qu, shock in france. why confront work with an administration which came to pass through a qu, in chad? but not, molly, why can they work? well, they're accused of working to support hurry for half, the who's also backed by the walk in the group. and that can work in libya. but the similar scenario doesn't work in molly, why? it's a good question indeed because it shows that that's one of the reasons why does this and to french filling, filling that france is playing a double game is the fact of france tries to promote the idea of democratically democratic governments impose his democratic condition on governments and wants to help one at the same time for becky, do cooper in chad when the president did,
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he died. a song replaced him without an infection, so long as the french say a man to that. so it's true. and, but the situation in many is that is slightly different. france was very present in maddy addison, the government that came through to, to, to put cheese of 202-2021. when promised to audit actions after or by already discuss normally do, we should have an initial decision. and he said he would keep back for 5 years. and they are the feeling that these gender in par with the president, my god, and go into a different keen on getting rid of the french debt. they want to put an end to the french prison. they made the corp, impossible, with a very difficult between the french forces and many an army,
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and therefore that now they were approached actually dare kina to, for a rough ro, small with rush at the moment. is that officially res, russia? but it's of forget that the, when money became independent, not just 60 won, they were back to strongly by the soviet union of the time. and the, those, some of their generals are actually been trained with biter, russian armies with our close links with the russian army and their phone to actually may be dead. it was beyond it that tent maybe to change or ounce within a by monday, and therefore fed not welcomed him. oh, they could see the, the anti french feeling was developing in the country which have been, we picked up by social networks and by the current to the current to forty's. it made this situation into the board having been an army of liberation and i consider
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it as an army of occupation. the accused of promoting the partition of the country as the following events, 2nd, going back to her when she died. when the french are clear, the g, i d 's the key down area, but do not allow her mad young troops to intervene. so france is accused of divorce standards, but at the same time they add b. yeah. use ation that they were not fighting. j. edison is completely wrong because they're at budget of success on the ground. the problem for problems now is that to jenny's of yes, they are the f some military success. it's not the military failure at all. it's a political failure. what's happening is that in spite of the fight against yet isn't, is that isn't, is spreading too much on society. oh, with the anti french power i woke, i told them in a minute more about whether or not it's perceived as
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a military victory or failure. but if we can bring the anchors into the discussion, why have those who are in power and molly right now? why are they leaning more towards apparently, at least this russian mercenary group, or all the powers and away from france? well, the number one reason would be result we 9 us fail policy, military strategies, my the and have been bearing out civilians and military personnel. we want to partition and from that in see this by to i and they play the think go think that we have to serve in the nation. what we think is right or not. right. all right, i me and i'm sure marlene authority is aware of the accusation surrounding some of
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the operations of wagner groups in the central africa republic in other places and allegations of human rights abuses. if the feeling in molly was we need with tired of burying all civilians are those that the mom that are looking at really the solution to end abusive civilians. you know, the french troops committed hold, take action against a 1000000 marley and recently it's happening where they can people integrating wedding and ben kramer. crime, but look into depending on who committed. so we don't think that that they could be work well in this situation. so this is not about nationality or took a power playing, they will, we want security, we want to secure borders. we wanted to kill people. so decision coming from are
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not based on how to proceed. populate. this is based on how can make it read of the violent crime that are being committed in, not in part an independent decision is solely based on that one partnership. where, where the people of mighty respected, where i respected and some of the things that led to the breakout, the break up between molly and the french authority. all right, let me bring port clock back into the discussion. is french evolving french policy towards west africa evolving? i mean, there was a time when a front didn't line could government. there would be a coup in france to be accused of orchestrating it. right now. we're just seeing them walk away, elizabeth, terribly well. so i think the difference between the 2 scenarios is the fact that
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there are us in the t r t i see below appear to have a home on your interest. so previously that it really redeem whether it was true early intervention or not, or was sustained by france was a regina had some sort of ammonia of interest. but in this case it appears the harmonia of interest between i really am a co, it's mission. rather, i think the wagner group in tomato russia appeared to provide evidence more to ball choices that otherwise was lacking. and also it's frank influence decreasing. do you think coco said out again? do you think french interests, do you think french influence is decreasing critical? well, i think the french is new as to what a year a week as declined and back of each relates to their results that my other
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colleagues spoke about. and also there is this perception that there is a kiddo france has an interest in having the re jim or the government in my lead there. and that explains the reason why they have not been committed in bringing the insurgency unless to miss attacks, to an end, because for so long as they're bothers, assist the so long can we especially have french in the region. i. so all these perceptions of combined to influence that issue being taken by the gym and from that my, all right, the relationship i re, emma, john, you think the french with crawl is going to leave a vacuum that any one else can fill. can the wagner group fill that vacuum? not as i've gone fit that vacuum. that's for sure. what's going to happen after
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that? there's a big question. first, i would like to add that if the situation is very difficult in, in my lee, it's not just due to the french. there is a, b is there's been a big failure of governance and we know that the army has been accused of exemptions by people that there's a lot of corruption that public service is not present on the ground. so as a result of that, the influence of jet is grouped the development of shy as a way to administer justice. india is spreading as a result of the failure of my money on the states. and that's why these failure failure, money is more political failure than immediately failure. you got actual defense of not being kid. you know, just gives them the job in that sense. the problem is that dominion state as a photo. and now that we have this judah in bar goes on a regular,
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not too many so much, but to protect data, to be able to enable them to stay in bar to protect them from further goose. that's the domain name. what. okay, from south africa now uh your transfer fee go to $78.00. 89 is under. we did all she like and order the closings. it's coming to an end and michael wants it. but at the same time, demeanor interests for france is to protect the countries which are it, couldn't be clea, a very powerful such as the ivory coast and protect countries and been in on to get on to get it on to go to. and that's why the french are not withdrawing they're relocating and you know, going based on let me know that because you mentioned a very important point that which is the failure of the state. let me take that point to me, young cato, all the authorities in molly overlooking what jack is analyzing there. that
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a big part of the problem is the failure of the state to provide good governance for its people. and that's why i'm groups are increasing in their influence is the total misconception of what is going on, and that is the mistake that many are making. yes, we need better governance in the security situation the mundane under, with french. so, the way it is, the un peacekeeping 40 here, they have a clearly defined mon monday. and of course, french has failed to provide the terms of its mandate for being molly containing is convincing, protecting the people and helping to got more money structure. our military fundamental reason is we have a government wide, came into power following 6 months for tests of the money and demanding
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better governance and has come and praised. the 1st part is to envision saying that they've done in 3 months, what the 7 previous governance has docks. but the mid, the traditional authorities have decided that they know what's best for our people and they're protecting the best interest post. post this question to the, the unco, if the security job wasn't being done properly with the french who will do it better without the french. who will? i mean, the french did provide an ability or a network for several countries to work together across borders, right? nigeria, cameroon, chad we did not pay to leave the present, decided to leave because they don't. ready want to work with that out. they want to dictate the terms of populating with us. and that is the reason why they all call
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upon them to leave as soon as possible, though as well didn't they? after they decided to leave and they said we're going to leave within a certain number of months. and that is, that was not acceptable for the people of the government of money and the people to find it. so i will, should be respected if you want to break unilaterally your relationship with your daughter responsibly and take up and that they were going to pull out the date while you telling the whole world that you have decided to live marty. and that does not work either, but coming back to the primary question, whether, what defines, what will happen? molly had cause parts, other partnership that we will give up. we'll look inside and out. army today is actually doing the job. they taking the bases that process the we containing and pushing on the failures right now. it has never happened before. so
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let me jump in agreement. let me give him a brief opportunity. come in on the job, go ahead. i'm amazed at what i hear, you know, it's so removed from so far fall from the true thing. but you know me, it's a draw. he's doing a great side to gauge to go to the north and swap. no, it's you know, it's not true, but ok now junk. they say they made us maybe this is denial is not going to have dick tuition. this is a deny that frank horner wishful. all right, let's. let's get 10 2nd so jock, to finish up his comments uninterrupted. and we'll come back to the on call. go ahead, john and i just said done from he's not abandoning to fight against jedi
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. still resume in the area. they are relocating going to be acting from new problem nisha and from chad. and therefore we retain the many bases in the early are going to fall off of the record. but summer shockey nija will keep moving on able to carry on the fight on premise. i'd promised him most to the point of view is very via and on the real we are on the ground here. this is about money. no one is going to tell us what was working and what not that the reason why we 1st of all the, the ambassador tamale because of the respect and the putting the big partnership. the french government all have anything against the french people. but the
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government behavior in the policy that they're having changing and they may or may not have refuge in those countries. you've made a point clear clearly there are different perspectives on what's happening on the ground. let's take it if we can now to clock. oh, and off this question, the big picture, is there a cycle of deterioration of life for people in molly's that the big picture here security was a challenge. there's been a qu, none of that can be good for the economy now that can be good for governance, right? civilian authorities pushed out, people were unhappy even with civilian authority. yes. so the issue of governors remains a majority challenge and it is a hat of most of the other challenges we are witness is witnessing, which are basically a manifestation of the, you know,
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governor's crises across the continent. but yet again, i think we need to look beyond just the internal dynamics critical us. critical ghouls factors are we also need to look at the system wide challenge, right? are particularly looking at so we were talking about french, the french presence earlier, m to what a state of the french punted in enhancing issues off her. gotten us you, molly? i think the 1st have had a lot of influence over the leadership in malicious independence. but then to what extent have your contribution about in terms of a hansing darkness in the county and therefore preventing development such as the bus and so on. and so, because i think one is it's one significant factor we should take into account is the fact that the result who's that are happening, molly, you know, for su,
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delia and other issues i've been who's that are very popular. and for me, that is particularly told me if you have, if you todd arises, have been muscle of listen that into us you, there's a lot, but the cerebral nomadic. we've been style of governance that we have in our region . and i think we need a systemic approach to addressing the problem that are on the french have been on the ground. i passed my brush to solving the problems. let's end on that note. slightly optimistic, one looking forward. let's hope they find that approach that helps solve some of those problems in a more effective way. for now we are out of science or we're gonna have to thank our guests. thank you very much to it in the ankara. yes m i k. jack of a long and crackled, dan, so and thank you to for watching. you can see the show again, any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com for further discussion head
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