let's go, let's go to hold on the honeyed. i beg your pardon with go to dorsey jabari, who is life for us in moscow? so dorsey, it's quite a lot has happened over the last few hours and we heard from the russian president earlier this morning, and we understand that should be more reaction from the government there in the coming out what we just heard from the russian defense ministry who said that there is no danger for ukraine's civilian population and that they're targeting military installations within ukraine. and this, of course, comes, as we've heard from the russian president, to send in a military operation to take place in dunbar. as we've been reporting, the military operation is now on many fronts. and the main goal here for the russian army is to try and de state the militarize,

the country. that is what let me put once. and these air strikes have been the 1st phase of that's the defense ministry saying reports of any of russian jets being shut down by the ukranian air force are false and they're denying it. and we now understand that the russian president, alexander, of the christian coal is also having an emergency meeting with his military officials. we'll see what comes from that meeting. all right, lemme dasa jabari life was there in moscow. thanks to awesome. so if you're just joining us, you are watching our continuing coverage of what russia is calling its military operation in your planets. bring you up to speed. now we're several hours into russian president vladimir putin. operation is military, says, ukraine's air defenses and bases have been destroyed. while numerous civilian airports were bombed,

separates the separatist in eastern ukraine. also say they have taken over several towns. a russian tanks have also been seen coming across the border from belarus. ukraine says this is a full scale invasion. several cities have come on to fi, including the capital q. the european union says it will impose what it cause massive and severe sanctions against russia. the german chancellor calling it it's darkest of days. it's got to hold that the mead whose life was in a climate torso in east in ukraine. she is at a supermarket where it's been panic of flying. tell us what's happening there. while certainly there are large amount of people who are stocking up on food. i mean there was a big q outside them just let been let in. as the others or the other buyers were leaving out. people are buying food in large amounts. i'm going to try to take you

bear with us, and then i tried to take years here to do this year. you will see that people are literally not buying the weekly shopping, but buying a lot more than what they would need under normal circumstances of for example, well, it's not happening right now, but we have seen people doing that here. this lady is by it is doing her shopping and here you also will see here you can see this better, just bear with us, but certainly the supermarket is absolutely back in this direction. you can see that. and then if we go behind the earth, a supermarket, you can see also a large crowd, add the cache this spencer, there. people have been waiting to get their money. they are getting a limited amount of money because there is fear that they will run out of cash, that the cash machines will run out. this gives you an indication that people are

woke up this morning and understood this, the gravity of the situation, or wherever you were while walking. here you see people on their mobile phone, on their smartphones, really following what is happening. they are collected. you don't have, you don't see scenes of banning, but just before getting ready for what could happen in the next hours or days. indeed, hot and, and given what has happened over the last few hours, particularly it is surprising perhaps to see why there are lots of people there are buying stocking up on many things. as you say, there is, there is a real sense of, of calm about that, that there isn't some people on sort of running around any of that sort of thing. and it is, it is surprising to see that i suppose yes,

it is quite surprising to sort of see that collect how collected they are quite orderly. no one is pushing and shoving. but that's, i think, is because this call that has been going on for 8 years. nothing has been resolved . both chem and the as separate as leaders have not been able to find any kind of solution. the relations with give and moscow have been deteriorating very over these past 8 years. and then certainly ever since this crisis has started a few months ago, it's gotten worse and worse. so people knew that something will happen. people knew that eventually they would be an escalation. i don't think they expected it now just a few weeks ago there were brushing off the idea of an invasion and then things changed very, very quickly for them. maybe today they're following the news that at the moment,

mainly what we're hearing is that the military installations are being targeted. there's certainly no any kind of visible army of fighting on the streets. here is all quite calm, but they know war there have seen war. this city had been going between the hands of the russian back, separate is and the ukrainian army. does the scene fierce battle the next door cities of yards, which is only a 10 minute drive? was the epi center really of the base, a do the for the russian back. separate is, has fed all the way there has set up a base there. and it took, it was a fierce fighting to get it back. so people know what it means. people know what could unravel on their street, and they're taking their precaution. but as you said, it's quite is quite would they say surprising, admirable to see how calm and collected they are. and there is no sense of,

even when you look at their faces, they just there, they know it is a very serious situation. but you don't have a feeling, they're not expressing it at the moment is what is the best way i could describe it out of. thank you. what do i mean? life was there in a climate torso in easton, ukraine. how there's been a strong condemnation from the european union policy chief, joseph burrell, who spoke alongside you commission president ursula vaughan de leon in brussels just a few minutes ago. here's what they've said. these are among the dart, cuz our for you to see the end of world war 2 and major nuclear power as attack and neighbor country and he's threatening reprisals of any of the state that may come through to rescue this is not only the

greatest violation of international law, it's a violation of the basic principles of human consistence. it's costing many lives with unknown consequences ahead of us. later today we will present a package of massive and targeted sanctions to european lead us for approval. with this package, we will target strategic sectors of the russian economy. by blocking the access to technologies and markets, the key for russia, we will weaken russia's economic base and its capacity to modernize. and in addition, we will freeze russian assets in the european union and stop the axis of russian banks to european financial and financial markets. or james base is our diplomatic

editor. he joins us live now from vienna. so it is, we just been hearing there. james, sir, european reaction to russia's actions in ukraine or the last years has been swift and up to now united or i'm not sure. james sucker has him. can. can you hear me, james? yes. yes i am. i'm actually i can hear you. how's him? i just lost, i lost you for about 5 seconds. yeah, no worries i, i would just repeat the repeat that reaction to this from europe has been swift and united at this point. yeah, very nice. very strong reactions coming from all of the 27 european capitals. they are all saying the same sort of thing, which is, this is something that they never want to see happen. they're pulled by what's happening, the thought. so with the ukranian people, you heard the high representative of the european union talking about this being

the dog is our in europe since the 2nd world war. well, that's quite a big statement and i think that is shared by many of those that are speaking right . now around european capitals, all those leaders will be heading, for example, from here in vienna, the austrian leader, all the others heading to brussels. later on this afternoon because there's going to be meeting what's called the europe in council. that's all $27.00 nations who are going to meet in brussels and that's where they're going to discuss on top of the sanctions that came in the last 24 hours new even tougher sanctions. they say they were the toughest sanctions. the european union has ever passed in its history will be watching very closely to see what's in those sanctions. one of the important things to watch, i think, is whether russia gets excluded from the swift banking system, which is going to make it very hard for russian businesses to do business. make it very hard for russians in general to operate around the world. those sanctions,

i think will come out of the meeting as i say, the meeting is going to be an evening meeting here in brussels. that's not all that's going on in brussels, a lot going on there. i'm going then like to stay myself. will also be seeing a nato meeting or nature meetings taking place. not clear of the north atlantic council, the actual body of all the ambassadors of nato is going to be meeting. i suspect that's quite likely. but certainly the 2nd general yet install to book is gonna be meeting with the european communion commission. president us live on the line who just heard and the already calls on. give you one that has come here from the prime minister of latvia for nato to do so. thing chris john. his current, this is the prime minister here, is called for article for consultations of nato. article 4 is where they discuss whether there is a threat to be alliance. i think if you're a country like, via that close to the russian border, then you do feel

a threat that potentially russia could go further than just ukraine. i think that's the worry of some of those northern nations, and that's why they want nato to have article for consultations. what's reminding you has them the article for is not quite as severe as our school 5, which is when they invoke the attack. if there's an attack on the nato state or for $11.00 for all it's consider the tackle when not that yet, of course, because the attack is on ukraine, which wants to be a nightmare member, but he's not to make time. alright james, thanks for that for the long james base life was there in vienna with the european reaction and we will no doubt be coming back to you again at some point we have to express joining us now to talk more about this. i brief port. yes, is the chief strategy officer at rest nice and global, and former director of policy planning at nato. he joined us from santander in spain and joining some key if is michael. cheer q, a senior fellow. 1 at the atlantic council and the former spokesman for the

organization, for security and cooperation in europe. thanks so much for joining us, gentlemen. michael. if i could start with you, since you are in a kia where it's all happening, i want to ask you 1st of all, what's, what you've been hearing now, what is the mood among people right now as all of these on events unfold as they have been over the last few hours. ok, i just correct sir. my men will be on ukraine, actually not into you. so we are in the big regional center right now. we'll be a crane. it's quite close to the polish border, but this is where all the diplomats have basically fled to, you know, 2 weeks or so. so i heard, for example, last night, i believe the canadian ambassador or love for poland. you will see many, many others leave here. there's the big so on the one hand we have come here, i was just out on the streets this morning. but as your colleague reported from

eastern ukraine, there's a lot of people lighting up at a pm's, but try and cash. pretty good order at the supermarket, things like that. the big, big concern up myself and others who study these things. there's going to be the humanitarian flow of people i'm hearing from contact. thank you. of that. the traffic is huge, heading this way. i said 2 days ago, the city the applause is nowhere near prepared to handle such amounts of people, whether they will continue to go towards the polish border remains to be seen, but the there were air raid sirens on here earlier with advice to stay in doors turn off your gas. the other thing people don't seem to know here. i've spoken to a number of people already this morning is wherever the air raid shelter. finally, one more point, if i can, it does appear from atlanta council experts and others that the russian strategy

right now to get their superiority to target airports military and apparently civilian and then aligned. and based on whether they will come here until the bill is a big question mark. but the comments made by mr. puts in about the do not that the cation, if you go whatever he set up of ukraine, what worry people here as well, because that's when they talk about that they often prefer to west your credit, which isn't true, obviously. but there you go. for bridgeport, t a in joining us from spain. i wonder if i could ask you, what is your reaction to what, what you've seen over the last few hours? is it? is it what you anticipated expected? well, i think nobody wanted this to happen that quickly and strongly, but it's not surprising coming from present. i'm putting who,

who was basically ukraine to be, you know, decide country to his plan to be some kind of rush and empire. and i think what he saw these obviously we are, you know, the us and use sanctions package sound impressive days. indeed, a lot of unity and coordinate to talk. but the bottom line is that this is not enough to stop pushing on putting in, following is kind of twisted vision of putting your credit down and making sure ukraine is not going to be a threat to his political projects. so i think we are putting truck yet again after 8 years after crimea and eastern numbers were still parting shot in terms of how we are willing to react. and i think the big, big difference is that president put in is putting russian soldiers on the ukranian soil and this should be obviously completely condemned. but nato is not willing to

put any natal soldiers on the ukrainian soil and present putting those that bay well. and therefore, he can, you know, go all the way to can yet, let's, let's put that to michael. if i come back to michael and this, the europeans and americans and make clear that they are not going to send troops and put in those this. so with that in mind, if there are going to be boots on the ground in ukraine, what does that? where does that leave them as far as options? yeah, well, as he might have done, i have some pretty strong views on that. so i think given elsewhere in your calendar is going to be a lot of i told you so henceforth. so landscape husband warning for weeks. now those sanctions need to be implemented. now they weren't the ones that were announced by the white house and others were relatively weak, put in new that, as i've said many, many times when he's sense of weakness, he props further for soft tissue and we have what we have today there. what that in

terms of nato puts on the ground. no, we will not see that. a lot of weaponry, as you know, were sent to the ukraine in the military lethal weapon rate. we're not really sure right now, what position the ukraine in our forces are to fight back if the main basis for him you can have the best weaponry in the world, but if they're disabled, not much. what happens? so that'll be a big question. their ability to fight, to fight back the ukrainian people have long ago, i think pretty much felt themselves wherein this, on our own. but they have been making micro alliances with neighboring states, baltic states, poland, and so on. another big question, of course though, and the question on this note is, how far will mister putin go? will he go into poland, the baltic countries, they certainly seem to have the capability. they certainly seem to have the posture . let's put that. let's put that to fabrication in spain. what. what do you think

perchance objective here is, how far will he go? what's his engine? where i think is in game is to keep ukraine as weak and as controllable as possible . that doesn't necessarily mean occupying ukraine because as the other because implied, occupying a country as vice as ukraine, with more than 40000000 people will be at a huge cause for, for the russian forces. there's a big majority of ukrainian people who don't want to be. and their russian occupation and be part of russia. and they have made that pretty clear. however, i think he's willing to go as far as to obtain confessions from either and or the nato leaders in making sure ukraine is not this kind of shining democratic project that poses a threat to his regime. so i think he's create is basically doing what he's always

been doing, which is this pressure strategy for sure. he's going to put direction. so just we already there, but 9, an open way in the occupied territories of the dumbass and maybe even being willing to go further and threaten. jeff, i think on the ukraine policies, they obviously much better equip much better train than there were a few years ago. this is pretty clear, but whether they can resist forces are strong and aggressive and well trained and equipped also as the russian forces. this is, this is big question, bach. i understand there was a pole, only few satellite phones available in the ministry of defense, whether the common and control arrangements are strong enough to hold defers kind of losses. and just especially the russian technology to germ communication between units and between those so common control center. this is a big question mark. and i think here it's pretty clear the russians have the

advantage and by defy that we are not willing to move in. i understand the logic behind that, that we are not willing to move in your credit and pretty much on their own or i good to get your perspective or both of us. i respect yay. incent tender spain and michael garcia, q in, thanks very much for being with us. lots more analysis on this to come. i'm sure you're going to say show you some live pictures now from kiev. these are life pictures of a traffic jam there in what looks to be the center of the city. so it gives you an idea. just the urgency of the situation, assuming these people may have been trying to get out of the city right now, given what is happening there and what has been happening over the last yes, we're going to get an update on that. now from andrew simmons, who joins us live from ukraine's cap to andrew those families are trying to get out of the city. that is

a certainty. people were asked to stay at home, but as the crashes and bangs in the night, sky turned orange and yellow, it became evident that people were not comfortable staying those explosions by cruise missiles. various other armaments were all turning one thing. and that was, this was a full scale invasion attacks all over the country, towns, villages, people running for cover families trying to get by trying to get some food supplies in. and those cues outside the city. they're outside the city on the way out. it's, it's very surreal here because at the place is empty. there are just people packing up a walking, getting to their cars and going children taking that their hamsters that their pet dogs mothers just looking bemused to not really panicking, just sort of procedurally doing what they probably plan to do all along. it isn't

a feeling of, of mayhem. it was, is just a real shock, really a what's happened. and the disturbing aspect now is that we're seeing movement attacks from air, land and sea, and it's the armored columns that will develop this horrendous situation further down the road. of conflict, you'll see armored columns coming south from bella, luce and also from a from crimea to the south. and furthermore, there are more warplanes in the sky are taking out a bombing attacks in various cities. so in la hands, you can see that damage to property are quite a few people have died in le ganske. and some of the fiercest fighting is to taking place where, where the separatists and russian main forces are both moving out of them

against skirt people's republic. and into the main area of, of this, this, this region and going into the ukranian territory. it would seem, and that is really fierce fighting a because that is where the separatists have been. a been fighting with the ukrainian forces for 8 years, 14000 dead. and now people have beginning to wonder people who are war wary anyway, begin to wonder what on earth is going to be the death toll with what's going on now, moving back to these armed armored columns and we were yesterday only yesterday, wednesday m a n m in the area or where you have 3 main border lines that sir bellow roost, russia and ukraine. and that is where the bellow roost. prong main prong of attack has come with many, many tanks, m missile launchers and armored personnel. carriers have been traveling south

through that border very weakly defended the border guards wouldn't have stood a chance. and that we were thinking yesterday for heaven's sake, if, if an army column came down here is only that there's a bit of razor wire there on of a truck stop. and it was looked micah on ordinary place, not a, not a fortress, a tour, a couple of sam back some, but sandbags there and some, some bomb shelters. but the what happened there is, is unknown. what could happen with the arm and column and, and it's dangerous to speculate in a war, but what is very likely that those armored columns will be used to surround the capitol, possibly. and that is what a pit lot of people are faring because that could be a siege, for instance, because it's clear all of the, the, all of the attacks initially were on military targets. arms dumps a barracks military vehicles and an air feels. then we

think the next stage could well be as these things go to keep attacking infrastructure and, and, and basically on coupling the way people can function there have been cyber attacks as well. so we're going in a, in a very dark direction. there is no doubt about that. indeed, andrew, and just going back to what you are saying about the way people are responding to this. it seems to be that this despite everything is happening around and there isn't this, this sense of a complete panic people are, are getting on with what they need to do, getting out of the city taking cover. if they're going to stay get a stocking up on food supplies and that fits in with what we've been hearing from our correspondence in east in ukraine or as well. 6 is, is it surprising to see that given how much this has escalated over the last few hours it's, it is, is,

is utterly incredible to observe the one i've covered or a few walls in my time, but to see people just just walking down the street in a fairly calm fashion to, to escape a city that's coming under attack from one of the largest arm is in the world with, with cruise missiles, with, with warplanes, dropping bombs from the sky. it is really quite so with that that people can be so calm in that situation all appear calm in that situation. i think there is a, there is a sort of acceptance by a lot of people here that this was going to happen. that something would happened, that would be some conflict. i don't think a lot of people having spoken to quite a few people. they weren't expecting it to happen so quickly in terms of the capital being a targets. and that's, that is that is definitely a surprise. some people, however, repeatedly we've heard these intelligence reports from the united states or from western capitals,

that this would happen. and i think it got to the stage where people actually became a little complacent because they felt well yet hasn't happened. it hasn't happened it. but nevertheless, everyone knew that there would be a conflict, much heavier conflict in the, the popular republics of the hands. and dan is because they are, they have always been the target for russia and russia, making those 2 republics independent was the signal that, that would be fighting because what they want to do, what the russians are, evidently wanting to do it because they were actually pass the legislation to do so is to take the entire region of a done yet of north have done yet so of don baster, whole area, which is much larger than the area of the rich republican. the, the, that, that, the breakaway a troop of fighters have got at the moment so that there is a plan to do that. will the end result be trading and, and that the country being divided at that's quite possible what the end result

could be, or it could be a complete take over entirely or of ukraine, which is unimaginable really. i am 44000000 people living here. it's not a small place, a president who has tried to hold on to com and tried to push the diplomacy line heavier even wide up until the last minute he was calling for diplomacy. but no putin knew what he wanted and, and it was only in his head this plan either he didn't share it with many people. his generals would have had out of a fairly late stage. we would think. but as we're here, some explosions now and we're hearing aircraft. so let me just regular. ah, i think it's okay, but that was, that was a bombing, an aerial bombing, and i'm just moving just here yet. so basically we're saying was that some

ukrainians watch putin during that late night declaration that he was going to make these republics independent. people here knew that this was the signal for conflict . what they were really disturbed by was the way putin was acting as they are. many people described as a saw in an imperial setting in the kremlin, calling his ministers before him, calling his intelligence services before him to actually go through what seemed like a choreograph process. to justify what he finally announced after a long meandering, at some stage, a history lesson about ukraine and russia, that really enraged a lot of people, not just politicians. they felt that this was, this was it, that, that would be part of the country going into russian hands, not the entire country. and that's the real quandary right now. if you look on the streets, people more or less very sullen.