at an afternoon meeting with businessman, no one admitted to vladimir putin any worries about sanctions. russia central bank says it's got $631000000000.00 in cash reserves to cushion the economy has if it's closed off from the global financial system. and in a late night phone call on thursday, the french president told vladimir putin, he was exposing himself to massive sanctions. the kremlin, said putin and emanuel micron had a serious and frank exchange of views. whatever was said, it was unlikely to have been enough to stop the russian military advance until bernice went out to sara, moscow. ah, hello again. adrian finnegan here in doha that lives in al jazeera ukraine's president says, 137 people have died on the 1st day of a full scale. russian military invasion followed remains. lensky was called up

reservists across the country. the un estimates of the round 100000 ukrainians have fled their homes or rushes. president said that he had no option but to order what he's calling a special operation against ukraine. enclosed in our stable if you could give shun . supposed to pick energy we were not given any other chance to act otherwise in the security area. we couldn't react any other way. all or tries came to no result and we didn't move any further. i'm not even an inch when we had to do it because the risks were very serious for the whole existence of our country. secondly, we totally understand which world we're living in, which and we're ready for what's about to happen with sanctions. western powers are heading russia with more sanctions. the u. s. as blocking the assets of russian banks sanctioning oligarchs and restricting access to high tech goods. and the e. u is targeting the trade energy and transport sectors. the us president says that he'll be announcing further measures against moscow after a meeting with g 7,

a nato allies on friday. prudence is the aggressor prudent jose this war. and now he and his country will bear the consequences. today i'm authorizing additional strong sanctions and new limitations on what can be exported to russia. this is going to impose severe cost on the russian economy, both immediately and over time. we are purposely designed these sanctions to maximize a long term impact on russia and to minimize the impact in the united states and our allies. i want to be clear, the united states is not doing this alone. for once we been building a coalition of partners representing well more than half for global economy. and those are the headlines that is continuous here on out a 0 after today's inside story, coming up next. ah

russia at war its president says it demilitarize inc. and the knots of fine ukraine . european leaders call it an outrageous invasion. how far will putin go? can the way stopped him? this is inside story. ah. hello and welcome to the show. i'm sam is a ban. well, it's a war that no one you would think would have wanted, but overnight russian forces began a full scale invasion of ukraine. it's the largest military action in europe since

the 2nd world war. already casualties are mounting on both sides. russian forces are attacking major cities and military bases. ukraine says it's ready to fight and repel the incursion. nato has activated its defense plans while western powers, a promising harsh sanctions against moscow's economy. some ukrainians are fleeing to neighboring. poland. i so if not, i don't care about my food safety. i do. i care about ukraine, t as in ukrainian. or you can see this happening to the countries to service. this is kimberly someone could be so evil. president vladimir putin announced the invasion on a televised pre recorded address, tending ukrainian troops to go home or face the consequences, but his away was nemea didn't last larry dozier. we urge you to lay down arms

immediately and go home. i will explain all service men of the ukrainian army who comply with this requirement can freely leave the area of military actions and returned to the families claims in the when you put the else up on your shirt or whatever we try to stop us and further create threats to our country to our people should know that russia's response will be immediate and lead you to such consequences that you have never faced in your history. we are ready for any outcome. can you, as president joe biden released the statement calling rushes attack on ukraine unprovoked and unjustified sang president putin has chosen a premeditated war that will bring a catastrophic loss of life and human suffering. russia alone is responsible for the death and destruction this attack will bring, and the united states and its allies and partners will respond in a united and decisive way. the world will hold russia accountable. nato secretary

general yen stalsen. burke says the alliance wants to prevent a conflict, but is ready to defend itself. natal score task is to protect and defend all hours . there must be no room for miscalculation or misunderstanding. an attack on wong will be regarded as an attack on all. this is our collective security guarantee to date and orthodontic council decided to activate our defense plans at the request or top military commander general, told walters. this is a prudent and offensive step to protect and shield allan nations during this crisis . and it will enable us to deploy capabilities on forces, including the nato response force to where them are needed. ah,

let's bring in our guests into the show. we have joining us from kia, said again to catch. he's the c o of ukraine invest and ukrainian government agency in moscow. vladimir softening cough a senior research associate at the russian academy of sciences. and from washington, d. c. lawrence called a former us assistant secretary of defense. welcome to all of you in the show. if i could start with a survey, then what do you make so gay of putin's military goal? what's the thinking in kiev? do they think he is going to try and take over the whole country while is the beginning of a full scale invasion of ukraine? this is a very dangerous thing, and we have seen already victims of this invasion and not only key for the border was attacked even cities like 6 or 700 kilometers away from key

cities in the west of ukraine, where our talks by russian missiles. so let me be very clear. this is beginning of the european genocide to the war of a very big scale. but ukraine will not beg doll. we are fighting back and at the moment, drop slides around tears and already russian planes took down and tanks as well and helicopters. so this is a very serious case. and this is a very serious case, not only for ukraine, this is a very serious case for the whole war, right? because if russia will not be stopped now, this can spreads throughout the europe and so on the wall. so let me be clear about that. okay, talk about russia, let's get the perspective from moscow now. and i want to ask vladimir, when a president putin announces operation, he said the goal is not to occupy,

but to demilitarize and the nazi fi. how do demilitarize a country without occupying it while actually that's correct, but 1st of all, i would like to say good afternoon probably told you to watch us. and i also, i would like to disagree with my are you planning on colleague because it sounds like propaganda? actually, i mean, that russia is not aiming at her conquering or even in bathing or something like that of all ukrainian to tour. and lasha certainly is not going to show other more to go to go further. more ascii, put it. so if i understand correctly, that the russia is going to the eastern europe. so answering a question, i think that the demilitarization of ukraine could be done when are all the military units. i'm in our military squash shelling of the peaceful citizens offer . ah burnett's and logan ste. republic, i will, will, will be, will, will be a,

will be eliminated and glen. there will be a situation that nothing would be dangerous for the citizens offer, but netscape and the longest republics. so the suggestion seems to be then, are you saying vladimir and your understanding, that putin simply wants to eliminate ukraine's military abilities? that seems a very, i'm not, i'm not sensible. 9, listen to placing that. i mean, i, i don't know, actually i, i looked at 8 gather as they sampling the lawyer and just knocking your understanding or analysis of the system and just man the standing. that's right. let's bring lauren's colbin lawrence. how long can the ukrainians hold out in the estimations of washington? well, i think they can hold out for a long time and 2 ways. first of all, with their conventional forces which are much better than they wore in 2014,

the last time russia invaded and witty it with the increasing our equipment that we have given that we have given them. ah, that, ah, you know, makes them more lethal. then the 2nd thing is, even if the russian should prevail at a conventional war. the question then becomes, ah, you know, what about an insurgency? the ukrainians have been organizing an insurgency for a while. and as the russian found out in afghanistan, and we did to, it's one thing to win the conventional battle, but it's much more difficult to control the country. and i guess the real question i'd like to see answer is, what is potent aim here? does he want to incorporate ukraine back into russia? does he want to put in a friendly government out there? and how will he, how long is he willing to pay the cost of dealing with it for the lives? and then of course, with the sanctions that not just europe,

but asian countries like japan, singapore, and taiwan are putting on russia a lot for us to picks are out there. let's go back vote. so again, take stock of what's happened. so fossa, again, how much damage have these asked, rightful missile strikes, dealt ukraine's critical infrastructure as far as we know, at this point, electricity is still up and running fuel depos as well as the military bases. of course. well, we have seen a tax on our strategic targets, of course, but still ukraine fines back. so our military is getting ready and already given some very good response to russian aggression. so there is no serious effect at the moment on ukraine. and i think that idea of putting is to make a very quick war and to when quick, this will not happen in ukraine. and let me respond to that nonsense. i apologize for this statement,

but today i can say the said by the russian speaker, ukraine is a peaceful country and the only one who needs to be in the middle is rice, is the russian federation, and the president of russian federation and his militant trans. this should be put to international tribunal a, as a criminal's against criminal things that they do against humanity. you know, and this is a very serious case. and let me remind you one historical case, the 30th of september, 1938. when this su dad's region of check republic was given to pistol treated 2 adults, hitler and this is what he was trying to do at the time. so this is very similar, what president is put in doing that. and only one year after 1938 this 2nd world war began. so this is what the whole world needs to remember now. so we are very

close. we are on the brink of something similar. so they need to beg down and they need to apologize to the whole world and they will have to be put to prison, hollis. let's see how this goes. let me bring vladimir back in and once again pointing out that to me, i know you're not an official spokes person. you not an official for the russian government. i'm just asking you for your analysis. does it look like we're going to be looking at the sort of scenario which a lot of western intelligence agencies are warning about that there will be an initial period of strikes as strikes missile strikes, followed maybe a week or so later by a wider deployment of ground troops, is that what we're looking at? no, i don't think so. actually my analysis asia that there will, there are strikes or targets that strikes against our military installations in your brain and our after that adult day air. that that is a limitation of all the special operation, and after that, ah,

there will be the and all for the military operation. i am not contemplating that. there will be occupation, so called occupation offer ukrainian territory are by the of the jumping around me . and do you really think it's possible though, that i may put in will pull out russian troops completely? well, completely out of ukraine might be a toyota, given the situation in don batson and crimea, but at least not be on. and so it's on latin crimean advisor. i'm sorry for my interrupt, at least and sorry for my interruption. we're not talking right now about bon basque and don barza and logan's republics, because this is independent states who are asking, formerly for the support and the fans for from russian federations. all this is according to national law, was in accordance with article 51. but 8 are well international according to international law with a lot would dispute whether lou ganske and, and don the ask,

are indeed independent republics. we know russia has recognized them, but, but moving beyond that, let me bring lawrence back in. i mean, a situation you were hinting at ala afghanistan or iraq. do you think lawrence put him would be weary of sending his troops deep into ukraine, especially as we get towards weston ukraine? is it likely that we will see a situation where russian troops will be pulled back to the eastern o and, and southern parts of ukraine at least, rather than getting and brought into some kind of long term career conflict? well, you could see that, but then what is your goal? who's going to be running ukraine? will you still have zalinski there? will you try and put your owner ah, you know, leader in there and will the ukrainian people support him and not created in surgery? that's the real question, because if you're not willing to go all the way militarily, ah,

then what do you do if you haven't achieved your objective today? we've seen, of course, this massive operation, an invasion of that many a calling an invasion of ukraine. does this mean the end of the road for diplomacy? let's not forget, just a few days ago, there was talk of even perhaps a bite and potent meeting all that seems very distant. now. i'm not presenting ministry offering the purchase of ukraine. so and minister pouring the tires can give you a proper political statement to bomb diplomatic measures that can be taken or to be in taking a demand. what i can state as you, as a ukrainian, mostly because my main job is to attract investments and promote economy and ukraine. but today i'm a narrow ukrainian who is affected. my mom, who is it 73 years old, was, woke up today and was very cannot, well, today you want to from tooth by an error response siren. and there was

a mis style going over the city to have one of the targets. so this is a crime. i am a lawyer. i'm international lawyer. this is crime against humanity. so we need to focus on death, rather than think about what can be done and grant will not russian military have their plans ukrainian military strong and we will, we'll fighting back. so it's still about military and they have their own plants. we need to be clear, the crime has taken place. ok and let me go back to lawrence. korb lawrence, a western countries have announced another round of sanctions. how effective do you think they'll be? russia has been on the sanctions for a long time. hasn't it? yes, but never to this extent, and i think one of the big thing is when the germans canceled the north stream pipeline, because how russia makes a lot of it's a money by selling energy abroad. and if they can't do that,

that's going to have an impact on, on their economy. keeping them away from the international banking system will make it more difficult for them to conduct business. ah, they have to export things like wheat or people still going to buy that. so it'll, they're going to pay a price. the question is how long is put in willing to do that and how long. busy will the russian people do? and if you go to a ground war, they're going to be lots of casually, a probably be more on the ukranian side. but you're talking about 5 to 10000 russian soldiers being killed. and don't forget, the russians still have conscription. so that these people are not volunteers, a lot of them have been forced in there. so what we need to do is find a face saving way out before my colleague from ukraine pointed out, this thing gets out of hand and it'll be a disaster. let's take the view from moscow. in your analysis,

vladimir russia has launch reserves of about $600000000000.00. that's about 40 percent or more of its g d p. that's more reserves. the most countries, how far will that go to cushioning? the effect of western sanctions are, do you think people, the policy makers in moscow worried about western sanctions? i think yes, i think yes and oh ah, there are 2 actually are things that are logical of speaking ah, which are going after your question 1st to 3rd thing as that was go actually has used to live on go sanctions and somehow ah, russian government actually managed to our re deploy economic resources and financial resources under these cert palmer extensions which have been going on for fall ready, 8 years sir, after the 2014 and 2nd, 2nd element, these that sir. ah,

i think her probably there will be some war sending of economic condition. so, in russia, and because of the exchange rate to rouble to dollar, you know that a rouble is now declining and ball is rising. but eventually, eventually russia has a lot of so called sovereign resolve just to make a vague currency intervention, foreign currency interventions, as i think, or eventually this by the fact will be again eliminated. i've got this my analysis so all right, let's get sir, go from care. so. so again, it sounds like the leaders in ukraine are not entirely satisfied with the western response and they, they think western countries should do far more. while we are thankful to all leaders forward has been gone so far. well, thankful to our neighbors like it's been a lot of countries that provide its weapons to crane. we also thankful to european

union the american transport sanctions. but we need to remember that this is a russian operation under a false flock. as was right, we stated by president biden. and the one way to effect russia is to limit economic and still cannot corporation with russia at the moment . then this has to be done quick when it's to remember that one 3rd and it just supplies to europe comes from russia. and all this money is spent on the lawson energy is being used to produce weapons and to act as a tyrant, you know, in a 21st century, and to make a war indispensable pure. so this is unacceptable. so as i said, we want to see very strong international response and very quickly from there. so response, what kind of international norms do think most ukrainians would like to see how to

get beyond the west has already done? well, we of course will be came to see some military supports. but as we have, you mean, be cleaned up trying weapons because it's unlikely when the western leaders already said they're not sending that to understand to you, we understand that this is a life we want to see military support in different terms. but we also want to see real serious sanctions from ukraine to break down their economy, not sanctions or russia re just dying there. yes, on ross john ross. of course, he has not for the sake of bringing a kind of an old bad situation to the people of russia, but to stop them using money from military purposes. and this is what needs to be done quick, because i can tell you the predators, they do not stop themselves predators. they need to be stopped. all right, let me take the view back again to moscow and ask her vladimir in your analysis

philosophy, me if the west does succeed in putting the squeeze on on russia over ukraine. one of the chances that may be russia will find other sensitive spot soft spots to have a go back at the west. have a go back at nato. maybe in areas like the balkans is talk of russian leading bosnian serbs being involved in a war in bosnia. ah, if i understand you correctly, you mean what are the russia or the actions or whether it will be involved in the conflict? so the conflicts and boss, they're all in baltic states, emma, correct. my understanding or maybe not involve what may assist, shall we say or facilitate conflicts. that would be a problem in a burden for nato in places like the balkans. yes, no, no, i don't think so. my mind l as a sexual that, that there will be no such interference on the russian side are to go to, are there no other frozen conflicts are not frozen even life conflicts like,

ah no, those which are going in, in balkan saw their conflicts which are going, i mean, internal crisis in baltic states, i think that this is actual look, this is not the purpose that this is not the purpose of most of the, this is just, ah, ah, the situation where there was a loss. loss of confidence on behalf of moscow, in my opinion, towards the west, and especially to watch lou canyon authorities because moscow has suggested than just integrating myself. moscow has suggested any peaceful means to prevent the situation, the situation which is having now in your brain. all right, i think we've got a couple of minutes going to try and spit in between both guests. we got final thought in survey. how much of a game changer do you see this for the whole of europe?

let me react again to that statement. it's a typical russian propaganda. if you listen to puts in statements, i cannot call him president mr. at the moment, even debt. if you listen to put in statements like 10 years ago, 8 years ago, he was saying that there is no way that we will take crimea back. then he was saying that there is no way that we would at these to ukraine anyway in ukraine. just couple of days ago they were saying there is no way, right? that's where we'll talk key it. right now. they are saying there is no way we will of talk while can. so any other states, a lot of the deficit they can do this, right? we got about the information and ours. all right, we got about 9 seconds, then. ok, let me give also a final well, might be less than 6 seconds now to vladimir, vladimir, why should the world believe russia? isn't this a bit of a game changer and international politics?

my name is say, you know, invading a sovereign state. that's a no no in the basics of international law and you and charters. well actually i think that the vent charlie, my belief that eventually the diplomacy will win. what i mean to say that there are there where disruptions and violations on behalf of your granular authorities, all the people in the nets and logans republics. so let's forget about international law. let's go to the diplomacy. ok, we're out of time. going to have to leave it that. so let's thank our guests. thank i guess very much in here in moscow for coming and sharing their thoughts. we know you have very different perspectives on this, but we appreciate hearing them. so gay to catch the move, softening called, and launch scope, and thank you to for watching, you can see the show again any time by visiting our website, al jazeera dot com for further discussion head over to our facebook page. that's

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