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position by formal one not to go to russia, but ukraine has also been hit. the national basketball team home match in care against spain has had to be postponed, russian, tennessee, and a rube live made clear. he's views on the matter after when do by on friday, but unless there is a swift into the conflict, most sporting events are likely to be postponed, cancelled or moved to neutral venues. peterson at al jazeera. ah, that's where you kept the main development so far for you coming to us of russia and ukraine. it's 1130 g. that means it's 130 in the afternoon and here where they've been hearing explosions is russian forces continue. their assault an apartment building has come under a tank, is now the 3rd day of russia's land, sea, and air invasion of ukraine. he has smith says 35 people, including children, were injured in the missile strike. 3030 here tonight was high,
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but there are no russian troops in the capitol in the enemy trying to get into the city. what was the we will do a residential building was hit by a missile margins. her services are going there. now. military police, national guards was in tears and tutorial defense or protecting our city. we are setting checkpoints in the capital. so moment around the city will be limited. she of the critical infrastructure is working. public transport is working to transport workers of the critical infrastructure of the city. the metro is working except for the red line, but the stations are available to shelter people. he has russians to pressure the president. let me put in to abandon his war plans. basically, guy in every country of the world and every country of europe takes the streets and demands, pays for europe and peace for ukraine. demand an end to this war. this is our right . this is your rights when bombs are falling and give. this is not only in ukraine,
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it's in europe, when rockets killing our people, it's death the every one for every european demand, more protection for europe, more protection for ukraine, as part of a democratic world by the another big convoy of russian trucks has crossed the border into ukraine, moscow ascending more supplies as the fighting continues. man and southern ukraine has been filmed, standing in front of a russian military convoy. his act of defiance happened in the kitchen region, which is north of crimea. poland interior minister says 100000 people haven't the country from ukraine inside story is next. more news. after that, we'll keep you posted. see you soon. bye for enough. ah.
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russian tanks roll into ukraine. the target, the capital key up ukraine's president says the response from the west is not good enough. so what are the options? can ukraine defend itself? this is inside story. ah, hello and welcome to the program. i'm hammer, jim. jim rushes invasion of ukraine is intensifying with air and ground assaults. russian troops have taken several town in cities and also the chernobyl nuclear disaster site. now they're attacking the capital. kiff ah,
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explosions and gunfire have forced hundreds of thousands of people to escape to subway stations and make shift bomb shelters. russian tanks have arrived over the border from belarus, ukraine's president vladimir zalinski says russia is targeting civilian areas. he is calling for stronger sanctions against moscow, adding his country is being forced to fight alone. golly boom, boom. bother to keel when bombs fall on key if it happens in europe, not just in ukraine. when missiles killough people, it's the death of europeans. i demand greater security for europe, greater protection for ukraine as part of a democratic world, because the u. s. australia and japan are among those countries who have now imposed more sanctions against russia. european union leaders agreed to target russia's financial system, state owned companies and business people. but the measures stopped short blocking russia from the swift global payment system. the kremlin promised retaliatory
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sanctions. russia's foreign minister says moscow will only hold talks with kim when ukraine's army surrenders sergey lab. rob accused ukraine's president of being insincere. for was moore's in the studio with local union. he is simply lying to you when he says he's ready to discuss ukraine's neutral status. we suggested all sorts of options and president, putin disgusted with mack wrong, and he said it directly. the expansion of nato is unacceptable. we wanted to seek further security options, which would be guaranteeing demands for ukraine, european nations and russia. but our demands on security guarantees have not been met resist. ah, all right, let's introduce our panel in kev, alina young, jenko. she is a member of the ukrainian parliament in moscow. dmitri bridger, a russian political analyst, and in london, andreas craig, he's an assistant professor at the defense that he's apartment at kings college london, a warm welcome to you all, and thanks for joining us today on inside story. helena,
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let me start with you today. president zalinski has said that the response from the west is not good enough. he is urging europe to act more quickly and imposing sanctions on moscow. he says that the west has been too slow to respond. what do you koreans want to see right now? what do they want to see immediately from the west? well, i should tell you that actually are we in ukraine are shocked because of the situation . because put in was lying to a crane and to the whole world. here and here is a close associates, a speaker, his minister for foreign affairs, said that they will not attack ukraine. they will not innovate. ukraine answer for the 2nd day in a row, the whole world sees it was a lie. yesterday i woke up in cave and i am in t at my home. i woke up at 5 am because of explosions in kia.
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and the situation is horrible. they are packing both military or objects, but also civilian objects. today are russians where attacking a c t called a car with the huge gun wally fire system. they bombed kindergarten and some children died severely and children and some adult died because of russian weapon. so what do we expect world to thanks are urgent and should be a should be implemented immediately. number one is loc. russia from swift, until i put him is in swift system. he can continue funding
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this war against ukraine in european country. second urgent thing is no fly zone above ukraine, because the russians i use in their, at the ation, they're using, they have rockets and they are a fire while the fire system to bomb ukrainian cities all over the country, all regions, and to people in ukraine, a hoary fight, a lot of civilians were murdered yesterday and sir, and today because of russian or military and russian arms. so 2 things. block russia from swift system immediately so they can't fund continued fund funding the war. and. and the 2nd thing is so no fly zone above ukraine. andreas, you heard alena there say that
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a no fly zone is needed immediately. do you think that something that could eventually become a possibility and also i'm curious about your perspective about if you believe that ukraine is able to defend itself right now. yeah, great. so obviously this is a major act of aggression by russia that you know, the western world and the internet community very firmly stand behind the ukraine. but there is also, on the other hand, there is this idea of feasibility. how much are we willing to support and we are supporting the ukraine without getting direct directly into military confrontation with russia. and that's i think where the terrans of the west is kind of failed. but i do believe that there needs to be a full spectrum, responds to what, what russia is doing, because russia is using old domains all leave is of power to advance its interest in ukraine, not just the military one. so i fully agree. i mean, the swift responses is a very important one, and i hope that, you know, especially germany could really rally around that idea. but from
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a military point of view, a no fly zone is certainly a very, very important factor here. because i think the s a p or t of, of russia at this point is probably the most important competitive advantage that russia has operational advantage as well over over the ukranian on forces. so what the west has delivered so far, which are anti aircraft missiles, has been already fairly effective. you know, a lot of aircraft rotary aircraft as well as fixing acros have been shut down so far. but it's not enough. and different systems need to be need to be obviously boasted. the resilience of the defense and ukraine has to be increased. the problem with that is that the systems that could be delivered to ukraine don't just need to be shifted into the ukraine. but that needs to be a training element to it as well, which at this point in time as the wars already started is very, very difficult. and no flies on itself, certainly would address that issue, but would come with immense risk for the west, because it would mean that you would have to enforce it classically against the russian f was way where things happening at rapid speed with a huge,
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huge risk. i think for nato forces to get direct into a kind of article 5, it kind of moment or territory where, you know, they took kind of nature planes would have to fight russian planes. there's a lot of leeway, a lot of rooms on mistakes, particularly as things happened very, very, very quickly. and, you know, ne, to can see big, we very quickly in a space where it would have to fight russia and have to reply to aggression or reply actively against a russian aggression against its own forces. that is something that, at this point, nato is definitely a risk that nato is not willing to take. dmitri, this is all moving very fast right now. do you believe that we will get to the point where nato is forced to step in other things? so write down because it could be a dangerous for nathan caribbean congress, because right now, if nato will sport to grade or other countries will be part of that war.
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and also some for some the member's name that they don't want to have this war is rochelle, turkey and other companies are open proffers. so it's obvious that right now that they only got support greenberg giving them lessons to defend themselves from the russian invasion. but it's obvious that they want to help them lation because right now i hear use for different. and then you said that question ari's the far wrong, the ukranian from the great to hear. so it's obvious that who didn't want to, who was trying to, to take control over here to change change the government there. and to put the, got a lot of government or did that will support russian agenda this region. and with that, on the other option that i see booted is giving for grant, is not to be part of european union and nate, so that was, was doing huge. and right now, helena, the kremlin,
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is saying that russia is ready to send a delegation to bella. ruth, for talks with ukrainian officials from your vantage point. is the door to diplomacy open in any way right now or has it shut completely? ah, the door of diplomacy if shot, but we cannot open it in order to open it, put in short, stop, stop killing ukrainians, and stop invading continue invasions to ukraine because we have those russian tanks on the territory that invaded territory of ukraine yesterday. we have those, not those and hundreds, thousands of russian soldiers and military units on the territory off of ukraine. so they should stop killing, you know, civilians in order to start negotiation. however,
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i should tell that negotiation means communication from 2 sides and not automatic. one of one side, what russia ones as of, as of now, they one couple things from your crate. and this thing felt really unacceptable in my opinion. they want us to give them part of our sovereign territory. going don't ask and who guides region the whole region, not only the temporary occupied territories, they want us to to delete our army and give away all our arms and weapons. so like the total demo reservation of the whole country they want. 5 they want some other things that actually. 5 will make us a very vulnerable because we will not be able to protect ourselves and already
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in 1994, if i'm not mistaken. ukraine already believed russia when we signed bucharest, memorandum and we gave away our nuclear weapon to russia. and so in return to that 3 countries, russia, great britain and usa promise that they will protect our borders. if that's the way russia protect our borders, then i'm sorry this, you know, this memorandums are not working and our country is not protected, but we gave away when nuclear, our nuclear power. so negotiation is 2 sides. communication knock or too much from russia sites only. dimitri, what do you say, does this just continue to devolve into a long term full blown conflict?
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or is there any room here now for diplomacy going forward? and also, what is president putin's ultimate goal here? all of is that now you know, the like what the plan or what you what will happen is the has the written. it will like it's. ready your option either to stop the war either to go to something to diplomacy. so it's obvious now, it's obvious that we didn't want to try to take control over. if you want to change the governments, you want a government that has the fortune, as we know, we did the sam think in billers and you support a shank, a protest against the position as all you do is doing the same thing in the grain. but with other, with the, with other power, with other like political are frank to now he's saying is that question that he's helping questions in the grade?
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that is why i think against the masses or whatever. so it's all good. now that buddhist plan is to change the government there to put the government that will support and our last for europe. and he also like he does, is planning to do a grade that grading plan to john, you know, european union and that is dangerous for him. because as we saw the same thing happen, a government that will support team on what britian agenda and the world. andreas, if this were to become a long term occupation, would president putin and russian forces be able to sustain, you know, these long term intensive fighting in ukraine? no, absolutely no i, i do finally believe that this is a, a timely plan as
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a very short time to call the special military operation limited in scope limited in time it needs i think it is about decapitation. i agree with the previous speakers about kind of bringing about regime change in here, but that has to kind of happen fairly quickly. i think it, russian, i get booked down in a, in a, in a stalemate type of operation because we, we shouldn't make the mistake at. some analysts have done over the last couple of days. can today's, to compare the situation in ukraine with that in syria, where you know, where the russians were firmly successful. this is a, it's quite a major war. the ukraine is a very, very well trained, they well equipped and most importantly they have quite a lot of resolve to fight back what they see as an aggressor. there is no, you know, this is not a divided country, whether it's 50 percent pro and 50 percent against russia, the country very from the stands against russia and in support of the give government. so the environment is very ripe for an insurgency. and anyway, so russia cannot have an interest in being dragged down in quite a while,
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but prolong conflict and trying to control, particularly, you know, local communities because i think already we see local communities taking up arms and fighting for, for, you know, their country. and i think this is something also their own opportunity there for western countries. and we've seen this today when the u. k. defense minister already made a reference to potential, sorry, that operations giving support to ukrainians even in territories that have already been seized by the russians. i think they're all pitching. it's easy to kind of mobilize local, very resolved a mobilized a resistance against russian occupation if it ever came to an occupation. but you know, there is also something this, this was very, very popular in russia. and i think as this drags on and body bags will mount and you know, rot. putin has a huge risky. i think he's taking a huge risk and potentially losing his own street at han, potentially not being able to seize objectives very firmly and a protracted conflict is not something that he will or want to sustain for in peer
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previous previous periods. russia is always delegated. the sort of for a was as in syria to local star, gets to mercenaries. and this is not something he can do in ukraine because he's up against that very, very robust opposition. it most important thing is that the ukraine force is now retain a level of resilience, where the government retains a certain degree of resilience to actually fight back and not critically failing. because that is something over time. time is working for the ukraine, and time is working against russia. so the longer this takes, i think the more difficult we become for put into chief objectives. dimitri. andrea's was just saying that he believes that this conflict is an unpopular one in russia among the population. the fact that there have been protests scattered across russia. does that worry president putin at all? is there a sense that he is misjudging the mood of the russian people and could that be to his detriment? we have russia tours of people. one far people are that's all from the soviet union
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. so that, you know, generation support students like land or put a war in a grain invasion. great. another of our young generation support. we saw our people, they were protesting against the war. you don't want to don't want to have a war with that. they have related with they have families living there, so it's obvious. now we have now and russia do get diverse people and it's obvious that we can was doing that for elections for election. so you want to get more popular because now he's before you go is not he's not popular at the position, but now he has the full control countries didn't do what everyone again like, do a war again, create the or you can end for august. now, in russia,
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if all the war will want, and only people are a question because a stop boots in the score, but it's obvious that people this scared to get to speak really because there are no problem with though many people are arrested. and this off is that government is what do you want to listen to them? helena? earlier in the show, you said that from your perspective that was needed right now is a no fly zone. and you said also that russia basically needs to be shut out of the swift global payment system. if that fails to happen, if those 2 things fail to happen, and in the event that western allies don't step in any further. how else is ukraine going to be able to defend itself against russia? well i should tell. 8 that we already found ourselves where yes to then put today is basically the ukrainian army only. and
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a lot of us severely on man and woman. a coming to territorial point of territorial defense to get up on and to defend the teachers from their communities. but if west, the contina, you know, being deeply concerned without no concrete action, then they should know that not only the blood of merges to be liam ukrainians will be on there. but also some potentially horrible ecological catastrophe. one thing that's not many people are talking about is that russia, yesterday, russian troops captured chernobyl zone is the biggest ukrainian nuclear nuclear plants. and else to the biggest nuclear plant in europe, which already exploded in 1986. 5 they mess around
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with turn novel with a weapon with, with the fire system. and so they actually might, or might use chernobyl as a full their platform to innovate, to k. so if they, if they are like this time they're this nuclear no. 5 nuclear plant or do something to sacrifice that it protects. they exploded part of the of the plant at the ecological contest. catastrophe. a will be not only in ukraine, but it will be the hugest ecological catastrophe of their, of this century in the world. and then the whole world should react to save that
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people from ecological catastrophe. andrea from europe as why that is why close at no flies though, is it is an immediate a is an immediate thing because russians they keep sending their rockets and their, their i v, a sion that to all the regions of ukraine, including key of all blood to actual mobile nuclear plan and surf circle fargo is andreas. from your perspective, just how dangerous a moment do we find ourselves in right now. and do you believe there is potential that this conflict could spread to nato country going forward? well, i mean, 1st and foremost, i mean what i, what i disagree with generally in the discourse of the last couple of months has been that people are talking about a potential born ukraine and potential invasion and coming into current this. what's been going on for at least since 2014 for the russians. it's a war that's been going on since the early ninety's. so,
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we already seeing aggression by russia, you know, outside of ukraine into native territory. it's just, we've now seen an escalation of that sort of warfare in ukraine with a combined arms approach. but you know, this is an ongoing conflict that for russia is all kind of connected to other what they call buffer zones in between nato and russia. and most importantly, the baltic states, so we should be under no illusion that any decision that the west is making any kind of projection of power. that nato is making any decision that nato is making at this point in time, will eventually determine how far russia is going when it comes to actually threatening they to territory as they are already doing at the moment. so the resilience and also the results that need to ask the show now it has to be asked to be very, very fun. we can have certain countries opting out, and i think germany has been one of the countries that has been most li, opting out of a, of a joint european joint nato decision against how to clamp down on russia. i think
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britain is taking kind of a lead in europe and taking a very firm position when it comes to supporting you crying, and also doing more. this is a very dangerous moment, but it's also a defining moment, i think, for the next decades to determine the relationship and also the boundaries between westerns. we have incident, nate, nate, us, we have influence and russians. we have influence. all right, well we have run out of time, so we're going to have to leave the discussion there. thank you so much to our guest, alina jenko, demitria bridget, and andrea craig, and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com, and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter. our handle is at ha, inside story. from me mohammed jim, jim, the whole team here, bye for now. ah
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0 select hunted ah, a fighting reaches the streets of the ukrainian capital key of as russia continues its invasion. ah, milan hazard thinker this is as you see it out life and also coming up in a new video message president vol edema. zalinski says ukrainian army has managed to de rail the russian advance and will not surrender thousands of ukrainians flee across the board.

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