help them help themselves. and beyond that, we need to start financing the aggressor. the west trades about approximately $800000000.00 a day by $800000000.00 a day in imports from russia. we need to boycott all russian products. we need to stop trading with the aggressor. ah, again, the headlines on al jazeera, ukraine's president is held talks with as well, origin counterpart, alexander lucas, jenco voluntarism lensky, says lucas shank assured him that bell or russian troops would not move into ukraine. the talks come after ukraine agreed to meet russian officials at the butler russian border. despite that announcements, russia has put its nuclear deterrence units on high alert. president vladimir putin says this is because some nato member countries had an aggressive approach towards his country. taking unfriendly actions against

our country's economy. but some top officials from nato countries have had aggressive remarks towards russia. that's why i command the minister of defense in chief of staff to put nuclear deterrence forces on high alert. heavy fighting continues in several ukrainian cities after russian troops stepped up their military advance. mm. this is an area the scene rather in boucher, that's an area just outside the capital keys. you can see the aftermath of the fighting. this is set to be the records for russian convoy. us intelligence suggests moscow's forces have been frustrated by the strength of ukraine's resistance. earlier, there were st battles as russian troops entered the northeastern city if car keys her test as in russia had been arrested as demonstrators called moscow to stop its attack on ukraine. they rallied in st. petersburg. that's where police tried to

break up the crowd. this is the 2nd day a protest has been held in a city against the military campaign. demonstrations were also held in other cities including moscow and anti war protest taking place in cities around the world. this was the scene a little earlier in paris, where a demonstrators gather to voice therapy opposition to russia's assault on ukraine. some professors were holding picard's calling on nato to do more to help keep tens of thousands of people, also gathering and berlin to denounce russia's invasion. this came as the german chancellor. all i've sold in else is support for further sanctions on russia's leaders. more news at the top of the hour, but the al jazeera news, our but up next it's inside story, with how much um, june. thanks for watching. bye bye for now. ah.

the human cost of russia's war on ukraine. hundreds of thousands of refugees streaming to poland, hungary, slovakia, and other countries. can they handle the influx and will the crisis change the way the e u. deals with migration? this is inside story. ah. hello and welcome to the program. i'm a hammer, jim jim. beyond the town missiles and political wrangling over russia's invasion of ukraine, it's the people who were paying the price. the war has created

a major humanitarian crisis in eastern europe. the u. n. z refugee agency believes at least 368000 people have escaped ukraine to neighboring countries. many have crossed into poland with thousands more arriving in hungary, romania, slovakia, and moldova, the you and hcr is preparing for up to 4000000 refugees. if the conflict drags on, most of the new arrivals are women and children, as ukrainian men up to 60 years old had been told to return and join the fight, volunteers, and n g o s are doing what they can to help. as in bas ravi reports from a train station in eastern poland. beyond the reaches of the russian army, refugees from ukraine arrive in the safety of poland. forced to take only what is most important, only what they can carry. here friendly faces, open arms, and as much comfort as can be had sheltering in

a train station. vladimir sherman ski was working in the netherlands when the war broke out. he's waiting for his 5 sons to arrive from across the border to take them to safety. he'll then return to ukraine, where he says he will join his wife a soldier in the national army. ukrainians are prepared to die. he says before ever surrendering their country to russian president vladimir putin, i can say when you grinning loose when your grin and lose your robberies can be, it makes one holland and only roper, and my be america to so help us or or as can be the same work again. ukraine's decision to conscript men of fighting age into the armed forces has divided families. the women who have fled with their children. no, that long, good buys may turn out to be final farewells. but there is resilience here. my nervous always tried to have found fun. ne can fun fun and

so this is everywhere. if they have a son, mamma, song, toys i tried to, but alter goa, feel some they feel that dangerous station, but we try to be strong to not so panic for many of the displaced the semester. the train station will be the 1st time any of them have seen any sort of help in days a hot meal, a place to rest. 3 rise to cities across europe, even people opening up their own homes to offer those displaced by the fighting in ukraine a place to stay. there has been an outpouring of support from volunteers who want to help any way they can. we met maria in tears as she searched for a mother with a newborn she had met earlier in the day. she came back to the train station with toys, but the mother and baby are gone. the oven like hence, i'd gladly bumper's end to england and the u. s. and other countries just get

dozens of planes to bomb him. that's all i want to say. there is solidarity with ukrainians and anger at russia. as europe's latest refugees try to figure out what to do next. desperate produce from the people they left behind. those that made it out of ukraine have a warning for the rest of the world. millions of lives are at stake. help stop russia while you still care. zane basra v l g 0 sham ashleigh eastern poland. ah. all right, let's bring in our guests in clark eve in ukraine. maria of diva, head of research at the european expert association in geneva. jung argued, any williams had of global communications at united nations high commissioner for refugees and in paris only so long director of partnerships and policy at the norwegian refugee council. a warm welcome to you all,

and thanks so much for joining us today. on inside torrie, maria, let me start with you. what's the situation like for you in heart have right now and how concerned are you about how dire the humanitarian situation could grow in the days ahead? well, for the 3 abbas days we have a been going so shall ends. and there yesterday they got strong, i and the during the night the saelens continue it. and today in the morning, we've got to report that the russian troops on the light, we kill us or have a managed to enter as a city in small groups. and they, ukraine, and military started the operation the inside the city, so on the street. so fight in what we are going and there are a lot of a suit in so all over the place and the in the city and the explosion, sir. also the russians during this night they exploded their, i guess block pipeline or in harkey of we also have reports that there are deaths

this m on c v, lance and the one of them is styles got into the build in full story built in was people there, so the situation is really threatened and people spent the night did today in shelters or in the underground, which is used as a shelter for now. it seems that her so you can give is under control of ukraine. it seems that russian forces did not expect that they will see side chair, intense fighting and resistance from our or you great non citizens and you grin and military. so they were pushed to book those vehicles that entered the seat of or destroyed so russian, the forces are now again on the previous positions near the city. but this thread is very close and excellent. now the cell and starts again and be understand

that it might continue and get bigger. but again, in the night, i was spoken to the neighbors in my place where i leave for yesterday and went to the grocery store to see if there is any sand left. so people are really anxious, and i really frightened about the situation, especially those with small children. and they spend the night in basements and the in the shelters. and during the day as well, go in. there are several times in the, in the grocery shop, sir, or no, no, no, a fresh products. i mean, the brenda are mute and such kind of, of scenes. but anyway, that the people are still have some sufficient supplies, a sort of, there's no crisis with that yet. at the moment we're, and my fear is that the russia,

seeing that it cannot find it so that your brain doesn't, is not surrendering. and the grain fights backfires the they will try to use some but tours to blow up or explode some infrastructure objects in the seats. because we have seen a numerous reports today from keep that day. eve military have captured the some, but theresa, carry in an explosion in their bed bags. tried to to do it in some very important objects inside the seater juma. let me ask you 1st. how is the humanitarian response going inside ukraine right now? has you and hcr and have you and hcr teams been able to access people in need inside ukraine? well, as you can imagine, the situation there is extremely fluid, extremely precarious. we've been in ukraine for over 30 years and we've been running an emergency operation there since 2014. but as with everybody else in

terms of the civilian population, the you and hcr staff and keith is, is of course bunker down as well. we are still continuing where we can our humanitarian aid deliveries. so yesterday we were able to get a truckload of supplies out to internally displaced people in central ukraine. however, many parts of the country are completely inaccessible. so we are really calling on access and security for humanitarian agencies like you and hcr, so that we can go out there and deliver urgently needed life saving assistance to anyone who is forced to flee right now. only from your vantage point, how massive will the humanitarian needs be and are the humanitarian actors who are responding to this crisis scaled up enough right now to be able to deal with it appropriately. i think from what it looks like at this point,

i think the humanitarian needs will be absolutely massive. you know, before this recent escalation, all hostilities, there were 3000000 people in ukraine who was in need of assistance. and i think what's also really important to remember here and kind of a unique thing about your cravings, that so many of those people were actually elderly, 30 percent were elderly. and many of them living along the old front lines here. and i think we are together with many other humanitarian organizations, very ready to scale up. and we're now looking at how to scale up our plans, both within a ukraine but also in the neighboring countries. what we do need is commitments from our partners from our donors to, to finance those upper cases. and as i call it from you and hcr just said, what we really need is, is also safety and security on the ground. and that the conditions on the ground are such that we are able to deliver that in a safe way. and so that,

that is what we're hoping for. maria, what you described to me in your earlier answer. it sounds absolutely terrifying for those like yourself on the ground there in park, even in other parts of ukraine. you were talking about essentially the people paying the price for all of this right now. i want to ask you um, based on what's going on, do you feel that you, your family members, your loved ones should, should leave? well i, i myself, i am not going to leave anywhere because i am determined to stay here and harkey of as much as possible. and because i want to defend my home and my seat day, it's a hit where i was born. i don't want to become refugee just because i, mister putin doesn't like ukraine and wants to have control over our country. that will not happen. and now everyone collins, i can help in the way i do. i'm, for example, now doing and a good given up information to the roles about what is going on. so everyone knows

that the, a war crimes are being now made by russia to ukraine and a so but, but if there will be, is also other help that i could provide, for example, some given some medical aid or volunteer. and that i will be ready for that as well . so i understand here, the family a members are it so they left a hearty of but every one who is now in high give they are ready to fight because that is a our land and we would be don't want to let anyone come here and say i say ukraine, nance, what to do june when it comes to this displacement crisis, the numbers that we're already talking about are absolutely staggering. i mean, just in the last several hours, i've seen you and hcr publicizing the fact. first, it was a $150000.00 refugees from ukraine, had arrived, a neighboring countries,

then just a couple of hours after that, it was $300.00. and i believe 68000 ukrainian refugees arriving in neighboring countries. you and hcr is saying that they are projecting that up to 4000000 people could flee ukraine. can countries like poland, hungary, in slovakia and others, can they actually handle this influx? i think right now what we're seeing is across the board tremendous hospitality, solidarity and welcome for any ukrainians that are forced to flee. and that's throughout the entire region. and i'm not just talking about the government. people are literally opening their homes, collecting supplies for infants for, for mothers, for elderly people. so i think we are seeing a tremendous out pouring of support. however, as you mentioned, we are estimating that up to 4000000 could flee. that is a huge number. we'll have to see of course, on in the coming days,

how we reinforce, we have, along with other humanitarian agencies stockpiles both inside and outside ukraine. but the needs are going to be staggering. and we're already seeing that we, we will have to reinforce everything that we have on the ground. and then in terms of, of your question about the ability to, to uphold all these needs. i think what maria just said is a key point which is all the ukrainians that we are speaking to that are arriving in poland, moldova, romania hungry. they're all stressing that they want to stay close to home. they have loved ones inside, they have their homes, they have their lives, they have pets, they have everything that they've been forced to leave behind. as soon as they think that it's possible for them to go back, they want to go back. so i don't think people generally want to move further afield right now they want to be able to go back to their homes in their lives as, as soon as they're able to do so. all right, i want to step back for

a moment to look at another angle of all of this african students trying to leave ukraine or denouncing ukrainian and polish authorities on social media videos posted on twitter show large crowds of young people, of african descent, stuck at the border since the invasion began. take a look. we are not alone and it will site. oh, well yeah. the little green is the yellow walls with what? the. what if i was living with a woman? he's yellow. all of them all on the london with what is poland response now is very different to last year when soldiers stopped thousands of mainly syrian afghan and kurdish refugees crossing over from belarus. it's also in contrast to how european nations dealt with more

than 1000000 refugees who entered during the 2015 migrant crisis. only let me ask you about this and i'm struck by the fact that the response is so different right now. i spent a lot of time in europe in 2015, covering the refugee crisis, and one of the borders that i spent a lot of time was the serbian border with hungary. and i saw refugees mainly from syria, iraq, afghanistan, other countries that were forced back into serbia by patrol men on horses. a lot of these refugees, men, women, and children were beaten back. they were injured when trying to come in to hungary . and of course, there's been a lot of controversy these past several years about the use migration policy. when you see how different the response is right now, to refugees from ukraine,

who obviously should be given safe harbor. but when you see how different the responses to the refugees from ukraine to what the actions were when it was refugees coming from syria, iraq, afghanistan, and other countries. what do you make of that? i think this is something that we need to reflect over and i think, you know, this is a, it's an incredibly important principle in international law that anybody who is in need of safety should receive it. where they, where they might be able to get it. and this is in the position of the norwegian refugee council as well in the last, in the last several years. as we have seen, people from other places other around the world seeking refuge in europe is that we have to let those with real protection need in and to make sure that they are safe as well. and you know, it is, and it is, as you say, a and sort of

a very conspicuous difference here in terms of how, how you can countries have it reacted to these different situations. and, but what i hope perhaps is that we can take with us kind of some of the lessons or reflections from this crisis in ukraine and how we have responded to that. so that we also can have more empathy from it to, for people who are coming from other parts of the world. and that we see. and i hope that we will see a more open attitude to those people as well. going forward. do not, the german interior minister has said that europe should agree on accepting ukrainian refugees without bureaucratic hurdles. from your perspective, from your point of view, do you think that this crisis may change the way that the you deals with migration going forward? it's very possible, i mean obviously it's early days and things are just changing not only daily but

hourly. but i do think that we do have precedence in other situations. during the bosnian conflict, for example, during the kosovo conflict, we did have situations where with the, the conflict in europe, different european countries did come to agreements on, on how many refugees they would accept. and also what, what, what would be the, the rights and the services that they would be allowed? so already i think that these discussions are taking place. we're glad that they're taking place sooner rather than later. but i think right now it's, it's a humanitarian access and humanitarian aid. that is the most important need on the ground. maria, when you speak to friends of yours colleagues in ukraine who have made that extremely difficult and traumatic decision to leave. what are they telling you are?

are they telling you that they believe they will only be gone a short time? or do they fear that this could last a very long time and that they could be away from home for much longer than they had anticipated? well, most of my friends and colleagues who had to leave their homes because for some of them did to want to stay. so they went to, to places inside ukraine to the west of ukraine, to the central ukraine. that is a stella, natalie said there because a rash or shells also that the areas as well. but still it is of course, safe for them. for example, in hard give, not or in key. and what they want is they wanted to come back as soon as possible to their homes, to because to return to their normal lives, because a declination of 40000000 people,

we don't want to know to run. we want to fight and we want to have control over ukraine and territory i, which is according to the international laws. so i have myself been or for many times by my friends a place where i could stay in poland in germany in macedonia, in my door, in other countries. because now everyone here is given hand to ukraine and european nations are united in these. so i was offered that help and i'm really thankful to all of those who help you create now. but i, as i said, i do not want to leave because i don't have any reasons for that. it's the russians soldiers who have to leave our territory. and speaking of those, a few who have actually left and went to poland for example,

or mal door, they usually may exist because they are really afraid. and they have small children, and they are threatened that the they will stay in ukraine even in the western ukraine. where there are also air strikes now that the children can be harmed and as so they're protecting their small wants only obviously there is great concern for, for the people of ukraine, for those who are staying for those who have decided to leave. but i want to ask you about another aspect of this is their concern on the part of you and your colleagues for the safety of the humanitarian workers that are responding to all of this. yeah, of course there is, i mean, we now have, you know, our teams from the new region refugee council, they're in kia, they're in a c, have another yes. which is a city that is fairly close to what used to be the front lines between government and non government controlled areas. and they are hunkering down in bomb shelters

as everybody else. and, and, and as we talked about, i think it is incredibly important that, that they are able to then when things stabilize a little bit of work and work freely. but i think, you know, the most important part now for me is really to keep the focus on the civilians who are caught in this, this sort of unnecessary war. and in areas of active fighting, we saw back from 2014 in 2015, that both size ended up using weapons that were extremely dangerous to civilians area to weapons. and we've seen confirmation of such use of weapons again. now, as i'm really worried that we will see both displacement, but we'll also see that much more damage to infrastructure to houses, killings and injuries of civilians. and this is really what our focus should be on now to try to stop that there should be maximum diplomatic pressure to stop that to

not use such weapons. and then we need to scale up the humanitarian assistance as so that we can address the needs that are, are going to be absolutely staggering. it is a terrifying situation very concerning for so many of the people inside of ukraine . right now. we have run out of time, so we're gonna have to leave the discussion there. thank you so much. all of our guests, maria, up diva, jone arg, any williams and only so vaughan and thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com, and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. you can also, during the conversation on twitter, our handle is at ha, inside stored from him. how much am human a whole team here, bye for now? ah, ah.

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