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the boss, i all semi no major, no money, but one protest to said recently we are being treated like refugees without a home. so in this episode, we're going to try to unpack what it is that he's making the mass i have to move from. there are several homes to an area that they do not want to live in. to help us understand this dilemma, we have joseph and edward an area and hello joseph. good to have you here on the show. nice to see these. introduce yourself that international audience. tell them who you are and what you do. okay. ah, i'm joseph, was on the shangri ah, is a lawyer resident by the neon, a human that lab saw to say, i working with a lifting organization for you, my right. okay. ah. and also for this particular case,

i'm also are clear evidence in going to go there less. we're fighting to very important detail to add. hello eric, good to see please. and g. use yourself to our international audience. very good to see you. my name is erica bender, a mara, thompson, and journalist i am based in london, but of wicked, intense mia. over half of my career and i've traveled to the greenville area times to investigate stories there. i got on edward carl qua is going to join us in a moment as well. it was just getting situated as far as his audio is concerned, here will be with us momentarily. as for you, if you're watching on youtube, be part of our discussion comment section is right here, looking forward to hearing your thoughts, your comments, your opinions. and let's start 1st of all with that in goro and goro district. where is it in tans? in the i'm just gonna go in quite close. at in 1959 there were 2 conservation areas made. are for the mass i. one was the serengeti one was in goron gora. we're

looking at it right now. hurry, you have been reporting all the fortunes of the mass site, the many, many years. what is happening to them now that he's given them concern, and i'm making them actually go out and protest against what the government want to do. what is it that the government is panic? well, the main issue here, you stop the must have people are protesting against government, new move to a victim from the they are indigenous land. and the government fix choose, is that the, the, the big garage borrow area is overpopulated, close to $800000.00 people. and that their presence is threatening the the, the, the well being of the, of the area itself, the species in the, in the area, the wildlife. and,

and that should be need to go elsewhere. you know that i think that's the main issue that they modify people protesting against. but this is not a new conflict to remember the, the dispute has been ongoing since 1992 and the government commissioned several investigations parliamentary committees. i've been in a formed couple of times to you has to get the matter and provide solutions back to none. none of the committees that i've been informed in the past, i've been able to come up with the time to post solution and none of the solutions that are being presented by different stakeholders. i've been doing the government, jesse, i want to show our audience if they've never been to the goal and goro conservation area, what it looks like, what the, what the wildlife looks like,

what the scenery looks like. and then as we're looking at that video, is there really a problem with how densely pack the math fi on in this conservation area? if there is a basis to the government thing, actually we can't have this many people living in this conservation area. surely it was made for them. ok, thank you very much. briefly. ah, for anyone who has never visited on laurel actually is one of the very beautiful places in the world. is the thing almost like that and get the about us which is not inhibited by in the one i would like. so particularly there is a very huge number of what the big 5 where exciting that and not the live and the lady on the middle of them actually more than in the lesson than yeah, and this is so much up to be to walk on the walking dead and get to bed and now

you've got to work on. now the government is complaining and it's not now. i want to put this into perspective. actually 1918. the government hasn't been complaining that the number of people in the life of speech, the visible damage to the ecosystem, and the wood left by the fact on the ground who shore the rest of the applause, the number, the government statistic. now what he's saying or mustn't mind the 4000 people is yes, i'm like a little bit of penny. puzzled like you don't get that square compared to emotional profile or $64.00 people, which sure is one of the least populated areas in the country. all those crap, those allegation, but the government is not the one in there. in my opinion, let me pull up a 2nd because this is the movement of people that the government is proposing. so

i'm just going to show you where the math i car a 70000 math. i also have a look at that map 1st of all. and then the proposal is that they move for then let, let me show that movement. right, so you're moving 70000 people to move into a space as 80000 people. won't that just be over populated? eric, i'm not sure i understand the way the government is thinking. and i all should also say at this point that we did reach out and we didn't get any official response, which is just a shame cuz it would be really nice to understand exactly how they're thinking about this. moving 70000 people to where 80000 people are living. is that too dense? eric? well, it's basically easy, but i think if i take you back to the top of a background, remember 195959. that's right. when, when the colonial government actually moved the modified people from the 3 get to

national park to, to the go on go concentration area. the same consensus. we are rad. that if you move these people, you know, the area is going to be over populated, you know, they were on fence, you know, couple of everything. i've shown that through our consent of our population. but i think over the years after the big coral goro conservation authority was established, you know, this continued to be our content and i think for the indigenous people, you know, of course, over the years the population is growing. you know, people having children like many other places in the country, but as of yet today, what the ministry was saying after the prime minister left the, the official visits of the place was that the then you areas that are being created

where my site communities are going to be moved, i think of the likely far away from the conservation area because the concern is in the conservation area where they see the property of a population. so they want to locate them from that area where they feel that the population increased, but full human and, and animal cut is basically our career enough to try to. yeah, to the area for what i, i have to add to the another reason that the government want the land is for a late tourism and hunting and up until 2017. i believe there was a, a very lucrative contract with a company in the u. h. e to come in hunts in the and gone goro area. so there is

a lot of money at stake, which is why one of the reasons that the government wants to move the massey is because of that potentially lucrative contract. jose, if you sent us some pictures from the protest, i have a look here on my laptop and the, the mass. i very clear about what they want. our land is i life. we rather die than be evicted again. for my mother lands, the government should give equal weight for the 3 founding legal objectives of m goren goro conservation area. we have no where to go. we have lost the serengeti. we will never again losing garago for trophy hunting and elite toys m. joseph. how are negotiations going? can the must i negotiate about land that we're actually belongs to them? or can the government just moved them anyway? okay, before that include that question, let me put some sort of things into perspectives. actually the proposal by the government's is approximately superman. what didn't out of that. what was the

vision area which is a population of almost one me oh, when made before calling people in the ag bear or so forcing out another 70. so then the people in the little younger saw them taking them to one. well, that taking them some 600 kilometers away from the world of shenaria. then now coming back to your questions, the issue here is very true, very clear. it is not for the vision, it is not will live protections. and this is that isms 2017 the government commission at tim to be above the multiple and use our process within whatever was of us in area. and one of the competition by the company t, which was it wasn't acting in, in a way and then not presenting them up the internet recommended once the masa located out of then what, what was the vision area. then the land would be to the pool at game

control area to allow property hunting. and now there is alarms for my little a little bit later with 4 of them is quick and let them know that government 11 net, 1500 square kilometer for ah, the do by law who is behind it. back to 99, a pool. actually he does. that must be so much money involved in this for you to move your own people to eventually ok. people knowing that their own heritage the how, how much money are we talking? eric helped me out. we what our, let me share with eric is joseph, so that we can share that conversation. i did a story about 6 years ago and we talking about millions of dollars and a lot of political business interests. you know, by the local partners, by,

by the local business elite. so it's basically a lot of money and it's going to going to amount of money. that's actually a good job fix, fix that significant 6000000 for the lives of 70000 messiah and their livelihood. and we just bring in here eric and joseph. salary morris, sarah morrison. there is a acute campaign that has that cheek on global, to support the my fi in stay exactly where they are. remember they've already been moved more than once. his savish, like just little bit more than 3000000 people all across the world are standing with them aside and go aboard district and cooling on 1020 as president, samantha luther hassan to oppose any attempt to a victim from the ancestral lands or require them to locate to foreign hunters. we know international solidarity and global support can help and can have impact back in 2013 when our global community 1st stood with the mass of northern tons and yet

we launched our global campaign. shortly afterwards, the president, the time promised publicly attending government with never of it, the messiah when the ancestor lands. and so millions of people, according and present, has to be a champion for her people and her post. any attempt to change their line rights against their will. so eric, if we're talking about how do we resolve this situation? is the president the way to go? how are negotiations going? what it's time for the president is to show some reduction because she she gave a very generic generic to say like the my people to be treated job like human beings. but i think that is not enough for hard to say she wants the most people to be treated right. but because if you look in the political in the political lead going, but you know, the last 60 years,

they have been a notion and we've been among the politicians that the modified people you know, do not have rats. you know, they must hide people back white people that's kind of be can be moved at a time to know well. and i think one of the solution is that the mentality of the political lead to needed to change, to and up to the modified people of equal rights like the rest of us that i think very, very important. but i think the needs to be, they have to avoid the top down approach to resolving this problem. each solution that governments needed to come up with the modified people have to be part of wheat. and the content to eat have been any solution so far. this solutions are been quite a reg ah, and, and in most cases the,

my side people have not been a part of the solution, is for the government to basically to seaton. perio meant and didn't close the door and coming up with the solutions and taking it to the ask i and this has been the reason why these are the dispute is not coming to an end. i saw joseph, i was watching a previous protest and one of the processes says, we're not against development, but we want to develop with you so that if you're getting all this money that's coming into our ancestral lands, we want to be out a share in that so we can develop as a people to so that's one i, they say not the mass i sang, we were standing in the way of development on youtube. i've got some interesting comments as well. but can you just respond to them quite quickly? and what about unesco road has unesco place an opinion in this and their ro, their actions or their inactions when it comes to the in goren goro conservation area . how do they stand on the moving of 70000?

my side, as if aware, did not exactly men of the problem we are talking here. we are discussing here are so much attributable to that accommodation by the unit school in of cause. it is the interest of the government now to king are some fact for the, you know, when, you know, sort of for many saw use, for example, pretty 09. but as systematically, the unesco has been legal, amending for are the settlement of what they see f 121. but what is actually will look 30 unesco has never recommended, for example, because of the policies by the mt a by that and the government in dallas for 40 years has met martha. then one of the most poor lists are community clinton, the nea, a compared to other massey outside of the area. but unesco as a un entity we, it is concentrated by the way i created it as to protect human bite has never be

commended for protection on them. i said i other community full cdl sports locations, and the government has not been consulting them to walk on campus and it is clinging. ariana janik, what said traditional ecosystem survival, tanzania, at to your point, joseph trying to build well for an indigenous people, people who that income should be much higher. he spoke to us a little bit earlier. and again, this issue about how do you solve this problem. this is what janik taught us earlier. the company out belonging to the real familiar way. but it's been given the lint, i'm to completely contrary to the wishes or to the interest of the local communities. and the government and the company looked one to speak to the people about that. they use all the presence of that company in the villages. and it is wrong because the villages aren't they boom,

there with it will do to the end. and they've been occupying the, the land before independence to the prison. and i am just looking at a tweet here on my laptop that came in. eric, we're around that. the conversation we're having to day are poor, says totally wrong. the government in tanzania and the u. h e base company to evict the mass i people i am going to correct that cuz it's not going to be the u. e based company. only the government of tasmania can be involved in it. they may be swayed by the money back to the back to the tax rather work with them. so everybody benefits from big game hunting in the area at will have a major impact on the local population. there could be so much wealth here. eric, why does it either or indeed, because in the night he's a journalist in town and he was investigating the wealth involved in, in the deal involving the lawyer family,

died in mysterious competencies and hold the evidence suggested that it was because he was investigating this story and he stumbled on to start the public was not supposed to know. so in mind home the novices and basically a quiet evidence to the informally, if you look in the form, what channel that they loyal on to come from that the, the loyal family, me as a given the over $5000000.00 us dollars in the, in the past twenty's to informal network fracture to keep the presence there. and i think that's where the problem actually talk to him from an airport to how the contract terminated. i've consistently failed, which basically shows that there festing, massive resources to keep the,

to keep the contract going. but i think the 5 parties that when i visited about 70 of the local people were basically complaining that whether the family visit the basically remove even from the small patches of land where they have been pushed to allow the loyal 5 minutes to do the activity. and basically enjoy themselves, which we try to think, you know, needs to the public and the international community needs to come together and help the government as well as the indigenous people are retained the right guy i have, unless i'm seeing a lot of those comments on youtube chat right now about the power of outsiders coming into kinds of the to hunt and the wealth that they have. i'm going to bring you one more voice and this is sam. well then get a, he is a map, i organizing the appropriate that we have

a math. i talk to us about this issue. this is what he told us, that you what is happening in what i'm gonna in the end of the day. it's not, no, it's a process of it last taking all, i'm for business for money. for what is it we have taken care of all in this lance for so long, and we are see, they can go because, you know, my thinking that it means it provides everything. we need a lot to us. it's not something that i'm going to spend on land is a source of knowledge. a source of light is solid identity. talk about mass, i taken cath lab but who is going to take half the mass? i joseph, do you feel that you will win this late? is a fiction paid by the kinds of government? i think we will win because i said earlier, the government has norfolk and the thing and it is not about the way by by fact,

or example, without the step on the vision or not, i think you do not. he's not upon. the vision is a big man, actually someone the faith and to the math, i actually locating them is not only like denying them later property another. you reckoning their life for them is our lum ease life. you know more and more let and the government from the new law. the my say right, are protected and employ part one even what, what was the vision area? the law did not extinguish the customer life of the my paperwork or dependence. and they gave leonel actually as us picking. now, loading is not a good control area that the, for my little control area died almost 20 to remain when the current would look for the vision are coming to operations. and that's why the government has been working

so hard for the last the live in the pool. our next one is quick, elemental, but he does not get it to get in the form of payment. it's kinda, i said, this very precise is the village land. i'm but the magic of somebody is not, it was obvious. so if you're speaking like the human rights lawyer that you, i appreciate you, eric. thank you so much for sharing. somebody reporting for the many, many years you've been reporting on the fortunes of the my sy edrick parole was supposed to be part of this program. unfortunately, technology one stream 0. regarding edward edwards, i know we will return to the subject. we will return to this subject with you. thank you for your comments and your questions on youtube. i will wrap up now and for the next time take, ah,

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