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good. the boss, i all semi no major, no maddie, but one protest said recently, we have been treated like refugees without a home. so in this episode, we're going to try to unpack what it is that he's making the mass i have to move from. there are several homes to an area that they do not want to live in. to help us understand this dilemma, we have joseph and edward an area. hello joseph. good to have you here on the show . nice to see these. introduce yourself that international audience. tell them who you are and what you do. okay. ah, i'm joseph was on a sunday. ah, is a lawyer, resident, pennsylvania,

a human that lab saw to say, oh king with a leading organization for you my right. okay. ah, and also for this particular case, i'm also are clear evidence in wouldn't go there, less weight if i didn't do very important these how to add hello l 8. good to see please. and g. use yourself, di, international audience. very good to see you. my name is erica bender, a mara, thompson and journalist are, i'm based in london, but i've worked in times meal over half of my career, and i've traveled to the greenville area times to investigate stories there. i got an outlet. coral cwa is going to join us in a moment as well. edwards is just getting situated, as far as his audio is. can sandy will be with us momentarily. as for you, if you're watching on youtube, be part of our discussion comment section is right here. looking forward to hearing your thoughts, your comments, your opinions, and let's start 1st of all with that in goro and goro district. where is it in tans

on the i'm just gonna go in quite close at in 1959. there were 2 conservation areas made for the mass. i. one was the serengeti one was in goran gora. we're looking at it right now. eric, you have been reporting all the fortunes of the mass site, the many, many years. what is happening to the now that he's given them concern and making them actually go out and protest against what the government want to do. what is it that the government is panic? what the main issue. yeah, is that they must hire people protesting against government's new, move to a victim from the they are indigenous land and the government 6 to see that the the being girl goro area is of a, populated close to 800000 my site people and that their presence is threatening the are the, the, the well being of the,

of the area itself, the species in the, in the area, the wildlife, and don't touch it, they need to go elsewhere. you know that i think that, that, that's, that's the main issue that the marseilles people protesting against. but this is not a new conflict. to remember. the dispute has been ongoing since 1992. and the government as commission or several investigations paramilitary committees have been in our formed couple of times to you has to get the matter and provide solutions. but to none, none of the committees that have been formed in the past. i've been able to come up with that tangible solution and none of the solutions that have been presented by different stakeholders. i've been about what the don't the government does say i

want to show our audience if there's never been to then go and go conservation area, what it looks like, what the, what the wildlife looks like, what the scenery looks like. and then as we're looking at that video, is there really a problem with how densely packed the mass cy on in this conservation area is that is that basis to the government thing? actually we can't have too many people living in this conservation area. so it was made for them. ok, thank you very much. briefly for anyone who has never visited on laurel actually is one of the very good places in the world is almost like that and get out of which is not inhibited by in the one. i would like so particularly that is the very human number or what the big 5 where exciting that live there lay on them

as many of them are probably more than enough to listen to them. yeah. and this is so much to be just to walk on the same walking dead and get to bed and now even going on. now the government is complaining and it is not. now i want to put this into perspective, actually making a piece. the government hasn't been complaining that the number of people and the left speak to the you know, what damage to the ecosystem would left by the fuck on the grounds. who shaw the rest of the applause? the number, the governments statistic. now, when you say almost the main, the 4000 people is, yes, i'm like lucy penny bustled like, you know where to emotional profile or 64 people, which is one of the least populated areas in the country. all those kind of have

those allegation, but the government is not in my opinion, let me pull up a 2nd because this is the movement of people that the government is proposing. so i'm just going to show you where the my site are currently 70000 mile by all. so let's have a look at that map 1st of all. and then the proposal is that they moved. so then let me, let me show that movement. right, so you're moving 70000 people to move into a space as 80000 people will not just be over. populate, said eric. i'm not sure that i understand the way the government is thinking. and i all should also say at this point that we did reach out and we didn't get any official response, which is just a shame because it would be really nice. understand exactly how they're thinking about this. moving 70000 people to where 80000 people are living is not too dense. eric, well, it's basically ease, but i think too, if i take you back to the little bit of a background, remember 1958,

the 959 us right to received. when, when the, the colonial government actually moved the mass, i, people from the surrogate to national park to come to the girl girl. busy concentration area, the same consensus, whereas that if you move these people are, you know, the area is going to be over populated, you know, they were consensus. you know, couple of evidence. i've shown that there are concerns of, of a population. but i think over the years after the big girl goro concentration, you know, of course, over the years the population is growing. you know, people are having children like men has a place is a in, in, in, in the country. but the, the new areas that are been created where these messiah communities are going to be moved. i think a slightly far away from the, the,

the conservation area. because the concern is in the conservation area, where they say there is a pocket of a population. so they want to locate them from that area where they feel that the population increase both for humans and, and, and the animals are scattered is, is, is, is basically are creating a threat to try to get to the area for them. i, i have to ask that another reason that the government want, the land is for ellie torrison and hunting and up until 2017. i believe there was a very lucrative contract with a company in the u. e to come in hunt in the and go on coral area. so there is a lot of money at stake, which is why one of the reasons that the government wants to me is the messiah is because of that potentially lucrative contract. jose,

if you sent us some pictures from the protest, i have a look here on my laptop and that the mass, i very clear about what they want. our land is our life. we rather die than be evicted again from our mother lands. the government should give equal weight for the 3 founding legal objectives of an goren goro conservation area. we have no where to go. we have lost the serengeti. we will never again losing garago for trophy hunting and elite tourism. joseph, how are negotiations going? can the mass i negotiate about land that we're actually belongs to them? or can the government just move them anyway? okay, before i don't call that question, let me put some sort of things into perspective. actually, the proposal by the government is already settlement within out of the what was the vision area, which is a population of almost 1 may or may the 4th colon people in the,

again that or so forcing out another servant that told them people in the young so never picking them. well, that's taking them some 600 kilometers away from them. what the center. yeah. then coming back to the question, the issue here is very 3, very clear. it is a lot of a sion it is another will live or actions. and this is that isms 2017 the government commission team to be above the multiple and use process that we can work with us in area. and one of the recommendation by the company t, which was it wasn't, i think, also in, in a way. and that was in the interest before mended. while the math located out of what was of an area, then the land would be the pool again, control area to allow coffee hunting. and now there is that alarms

for my little a little bit later with 4 of them is quick and let them know that government 11 next one, hold on 500 square kilometer for i do by law. we have be 100 back to 99, a pool. actually he does so much money involved in this for you to move your own people to victory. ok. people knowing that their own heritage the how, how much money are we talking? eric helped me out. we were, let me share with eric is joseph, so that we can share the conversation. i did story about 6 years ago and we're talking about millions of dollars in a lot of the political business interests. you know, by the local part from us, by, by the local business elite. so it's basically a lot of money and a significant amount of money that actually go $66.00. and then that is that

significant. 6000000 for the lives of 70000 messiah and their livelihoods. and we just bring in here eric and joseph. sorry more a sarah morrison. there is an acute campaign that has actually gone global to support the math. i in staying exactly where they are. remember, they've already been moved more than once. he's selfish, but just a little bit more than 3000000 people all across the world, a standing with the messiah and gore, gore, a district, and calling on tangent as president simeon salute. who has an to oppose any attempt to evict them from their ancestral lands or require them to relocate for foreign hunters. we know international solidarity and global support can help and can have impact back in 2013 when our global community 1st stood with the mass i had more than tanzania, we launched our global campaign. shortly afterwards, the president at the time promised publicly the transiting government would never of it, the messiah from the ancestral lands. and so millions of people,

according i'm present hassan to be a champion for her people and to post any attempt to change that on rights against that. well. sorry, if we're talking about how do we resolve this situation? is the president the way to go? how are negotiations going when it's time for the president to, to show some read the she because she, she gave a very generic, generic to say would you like people to be treated like human beings? but i think about not enough for me to say she wants them, i say people to be treated right. but because if you look in the political in the political lead going. busy but, you know, the last 60 years, they haven't been a notion and we've been among the politicians that they modified people you know,

do not have racks. you know, the most people are backward. people. that's going to be can be moved at a time to know well. and i think one of the solution is that the mentality of the political lead to needed to change, to and the time to modify people. right. like the rest of us that i think very, very important, but i think there needs to be they have to avoid the top down approach to resulting this. each solution that the government needed to come up with the modified people have to be part of the week. and the content to it has been any solution. so far. this solutions are been quite a reg ah, and in most cases the, my site people have not been a part of the solution is for the government basically to sit in permit and didn't close the door and coming up with the solutions and taking it aside and this has

been the reason why this, our dispute is not coming to an end. i saw joseph, i was watching a previous protest and one of the protest he says, we're not against development. but we want to develop with you so that if you're getting all this money that's coming into our ancestral lands, we want to be at a share in that so we can develop as a people to. so that's one idea. it's not the mass. i think we were standing in the way of development on youtube. i've got some interesting comments as well. can you just respond to them quite quickly? and what about unesco z row? has unesco place an opinion in this their row, their actions or their inactions when it comes to the in goren goro conservation area? how do they stand on the moving of 70000 messages if a wed luckily men of the problem we are talking here, we are discussing here. so much are commutable to the commission by the, you know,

school in a cause. it is the interest of the government now taking some facts to the you know, the need for monday. so for example, 2009. but as he's to magically the units have been commending for are the settlement of what they say. evelyn teddy one. but what is actually 130 you missed call has never be commended, for example, because of the policies by the n p a by the, by the government in the 40 you have met mosley, or one of the most part of the community actually. and then yeah, compared to other murphy, which i don't the area, but you never call you and entity which is caused by the way i created it. could protect human rights, have never be commended for protection on the monthly right. other community for cbs consultations and the government has not been consulting them the world. and

what is bringing reality janik? what's the traditional ecosystem survival has near to your point? joseph, trying to build well for indigenous people. people who that income should be much higher. he spoke to us a little bit earlier and again, this issue about how do you solve this problem. this is what you told us earlier. the company, oh, belonging door to room formula, right? what has been given lint. i'm completely contrary to the wishes or to the interest of the local communities and the government and the company would want to speak to the people about the use or the presence of the company in the villages. and it is wrong because the villages are douglas. the 3rd lieutenant and the bmo to putting the, the land before independence to the prison. and i

am just looking at a tweet here on my laptop that came in eric, we're around that. the conversation we're having to day a poor says totally wrong of the government in tanzania and the u. a e base company to evict the massage people. i'm going to correct that cuz it's not going to be the u. a base company. only the government of tasmania can be involved in it. they may be swayed by the money back to that back to the tax rather work with them. so everybody benefits from big game hunting in the area that will have a major impact on the local population. that could be so much wealth it. eric, why does he either or indeed, because in the night he's a journalist in times to me, i was investigating the wealth involved in, in the deal, involving the loyal family, died in mysterious constancy and hold the evidence suggested that it was because he was investigating this story,

and this time we're going to start the public was not supposed to know. so in my home the analysis and basically a quiet evidence to these informally. if you look into the informal channel that they loyal on to come from the loyal family, me as a given the over $5000000.00 us dollars in the, in the past. twenty's to inform network fracture to keep the presence there. and i think that's where the problem actually starting from an airport to have the contract terminated consistently failed, which basically shows that there are refreshing, massive resources to keep the, to keep the contracts going. but i think the 5, the parties that when i'm visiting about 70 of the people, we have basically complaining that whether the family visit the basically remove

even from the small patches of land where they have been pushed to allow the loyal family to do the fun today and basically enjoy themselves, which we try to think, you know, needs to the public and the international community needs to come together and help the government as well as the indigenous people are retained they are there right. i have, unless i'm seeing a lot of those comments on youtube chat right now about the power of outside is coming into kinds of the to hunt and the wealth that they have. i'm going to bring you one more voice and this is sam. well, then get a, he is a, my fi organizer, so appropriate that we have a math. i talk to us about this issue and this is what he told us, that you what is happening in what i'm gonna tell you under today. it's not, you know, it's a process of it. if it last picking all,

i'm for business for money, for what is it we have taken care of all this lance for so long and we are see taking go because you know, my thinking that it means it provides everything. we need a lot to us. it's not something that i'm going to spend on land is a source of knowledge and social life. it's all right, any talk about mass, i taken katha lab but who is going to take half the mass? i, joseph, do you feel that you will win this late? is a fiction paid by the kinds of the government? i think we will win, because i said alia the government of norfolk and it is not, by the way, my bye bye bye for, for example, with the simpler version or not, i do not know the version is a big man, actually someone i see. and to the math,

i actually locating them is not only like denying them later putting you to reckoning their life for them in our life is no more nor less and the government or for the law the my say right, i protected and into false one. it was a vision area, the law did not extinguish the customer like the my paperwork or dependence. and they gave leonel actually as us picking now. learning is not a good control area that the, for my little control area died almost 20 to remain when the president would left for the vision to come in corporations. and that's why the government has been working so hard for the last 11 years. pool. our net one hold on one quick, elemental, but he doesn't want to be because it had to get in the form of payment. it's kinda,

i said this very precise is the village land i'm but the magic of somebody is not. so if you're speaking like the human rights, sorry that you, i appreciate you eric. thank you so much for sharing some of your reporting for the many, many years you've been reporting on the fortunes of the my sy edward parole class was supposed to be part of this program. unfortunately, technology one stream 0. regarding edward edwards, we, i know we will return to the subject. we will return to this subject with you. thank you for your comments and your questions on youtube. i will wrap up now and see you next time. take ah, [000:00:00;00]

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