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command, if you'd like, tried to cover what's your take on why they've gotten so wrong. that to me is political mouth for the bottom line on us politics and policies and the impact on the world on al jazeera. and i me okay, you're watching the stream today, we are asking, what is it like to be up that professor in the united states? if you have stories, experiences, or questions for i guess you know what to do, you can put them in the comment section. if you're feeling on you chief a be part of today's program, this episode wasn't supplied by nicole hannah jones. she is a police supplies winning journalist and the controversy that he's county surrounding her. not immediately being offered a tenure position as a university of north carolina chapel hill. you may remember nicole had a jones with her parents here on the street. let me remind you. this is her last

april, talking about the disproportionate number of black people being impacted by coven 19. have a look. this isn't about black people feeling sorry for themselves. we have data and the data is very clear. who is dying disproportionately who is getting infected disproportionately. and to say, we need to actually figure out why that is and know this so that we can send the resources to the proper community. we know who getting tested and it's not the communities that are being hurt or most by this. that's not doing. sorry, that has been back in the reality on the ground. nicole highly jones, that jealousy is really well known for writing about race and inequality. may be right now, she's caught up in a situation that involves racism and inequality in the academic world. lets meet the guests and find out. hello to marfa. hello robin, holly molina, get to see or 3 of you. martha. introduce yourself to stream audience. good evening

. i'm martha jones. i teach history in baltimore, maryland at johns hopkins university. get to have you. hello, robin tossed emollient. who you all what you do? hi everyone, i'm robin archery. i teach both. the ology was when university and connecticut. nice to have you. marlena, introduce yourself child since hello everybody. my name is marlena doubt and i'm a professor of african diaspora studies at the university of virginia in charlottesville. get to have you with us here on the stream. all right, so looking at my laptop, the root, we standing solidarity with nicole. hi, jose. i'm just going to scoot up here. if you look very carefully, you will see martha as jones martha. why did you sign onto this? i knew that this was a issue that had been brewing for some time. and it was clear as we learn more about what transpired in the board of trustees at the university of north carolina

and their silence, that those of us, yes, admire. nicole had a jones but also are deeply invested in the integrity of american academia. it was time for us to speak up. we were a cross section of yes, academics of journalists, of alumni, students and concerned individuals. and very pleased to have had so many hundreds of folks sign onto this letter. i am just looking at the department that nicole had a james was originally supposed to be involved, and i don't know what's going to happen now, so he's not here on the, on twitter u n. c huffman alumni. we start with nicole, how to jose, the j school husbands school. i know what things carolina tried and true. the actions of the board of trustees does not represent the students and alumni. go.

nicole, how to jones go hills. robbie, what went wrong here? the university once in the co, how to jones to be a tenured professor and then something went horribly wrong. they may still be out of it. but how do you read the situation right now today? right? because there are so many levels to how a person goes about getting tenure. there are many opportunities for things to go awry. you know, it's not just within your department, it's not just within your field. it's not even just within your campus that it can expand beyond that with like a board of trustees or board of governors. so there are many opportunities for things that are things that are hard to pin down in terms of what people's motivations really are. that can completely undermine and sabotage a case of a did with hannah jones. yet, me bringing some of the students from the north university of north carolina chapel

hill, the journalist students. and this is what they had to say about the situation. and then i'm gonna get you malayna to come off the back of this as heavily. so it's very interesting that nicole had a jones would go through the entire tenure process with overwhelming support. and the tenure process is a very complicated one. it's not just a one vote and done kind of thing. you have to go through many different committees, many different votes, and she received overwhelming, supported every step of the way and now for her to get to the board of trustees. and for them to say, no, it's just very strange. it's a very strange dynamic. we'll continue to see the repercussions of this. this isn't going away. there's likely a loss you're coming, or it might have already come at this point. um and i just, i think this is something that people should be paying attention to because this is not something that you see often at, at something that is just really unprecedented. but

is a unprecedented malayna. is it, you know, there is, there are parts of it that are unprecedented men, there are parts of it that are not. and so in a normal tenure case, yes, there are plenty of opportunities for things to go arrive because there are a lot of committees and different votes that have to happen. it's simply that for a board of trustees to intervene at this point in such a high profile, sort of candidates case is quite unusual. the other cases that we have seen of this were not due to that person scholarship, at least those were not the reasons given. they were there were social things, things that happened on social media or on twitter. and so what is unique about this case is that normally when people are denied tenure, it is at much different levels level further down in the process. and that sort of tracy point is a, is a robust standpoint. so then people i was just double take right here. so i

wouldn't bring in martha richard stevens, he's the chairman of the u. n. c. chapel hill board of trustees. this story blew up . this is one of the biggest academic stories in the united states right now. if you're watching around the world, i want you to understand it's huge, it's controversial, and then the board had to react pretty quickly. they did a press conference, and this is a little snippet of what they had to say have look in general is trustees. we take seriously responsibility for proven tenure. we're talking about a lifelong position here. so you're into wine. and so it's all a new rule for one particular charitable committee. i have questions for clarification on background. tricky candidates don't come from a traditional academic title background. on this case, richard. okay. we're going to be able to do martha

is doing this, martha? i am, i am, you know, universities are operate by what i recall shared governance. and the recognition that within a sprawling university like the university of north carolina, an excellent university, like the north town, university of north carolina, is a small sofa my what we're gonna get have back in the meantime. okay. oh mother we'll she for i'm, i'm a carry on pick up the thought. derrick thing, i think there are many spheres of expertise. and i think where the board share sort of takes us, you know, sort of off the rails. and it is the notion that the trustees are in a position to substitute their judgment. their lay persons judgment for the expert judgment of a faculty of a dean of a provost. and i might say because tenure involves

a blind peer review on the outside reviewers, experts from other institutions on there has been an extraordinarily rigorous review of a candidate before it arrives at the board. and it's not clear to me this. ord has the expertise right to substitute its judgment. i thought, i say one more thing though, because i really, i really appreciated you introducing the students because i do think one of the things that's been overlooked in this story is the degree to which the board has in essence, you know, put at risk. and perhaps scuttled completely the opportunity for young people, young journalism students to study with someone is experiencing as expert as distinguished as nicole. hannah jones. that is, yes, i'm a professor and i am deeply concerned about the the integrity of the tenure process

. but i am also an educator and, and i think we have to appreciate what it took to persuade someone like nicole hannah jones, who is at the peak of her career and to bring her back all the way to north carolina from new york to enter the classroom and, and young people are missing that opportunity now. right. and on that quaint job though, that's what this position is for. so the idea that had a nicole or excuse me, nicole jones comes from nontraditional academic background for tenure. it's disingenuous because the point of this sort of position is having people who reached this type of excellence in their professional career isn't to bring that to the professional school so that students have the opportunity to work with someone of this caliber and that's not uncommon. you see that in business schools in journalism programs, in law schools where different sorts of credentials are used. when people are

granted tenure to i want to broaden this conversation because you all come as a wealth of experience in the academic world. and you are all women of color. i'm going to start the next part of that conversation with professor as sunday. of course, he's fired up about what happened. nicole had a chance, but i want to be find out about your career experiences. his professor, santi festival. nicole homer jones should have immediately been given tenure at the university of north carolina and chapel hill. but for african american scholars of the gold pulse or moved and in her case, they reconsidered. apparently, they're going to allow her to be considered for tenure. when this is outrageous, totally outrageous, given the fact that she is a distinguished scholar with many publications and many award to the

large question that we are asking today is, what is it like to be a black professor in the united states today? marlena help us understand your experience. i mean, so i think that the situation with nicole, hannah jones is something that black female professors in the u. s. universities experience at all kinds of levels every single day. different standards are applied . you virtually all scholars of color and u. s. universities, but in particular, black women in university settings experienced this and outsized, almost caricature like ways. and i think that the situation with, you know, sort of the board chair saying we need some time to sort of evaluate this cake. it's case, it's almost a joke that could be on the daily show or saturday night live. a black woman wins a mcarthur genius grant than a pulitzer prize, and it's somehow not evidence enough. so the underlying subtext is that she's undeserving and that whatever accolades she has earned,

she didn't really or she didn't really deserve them. and they don't need seem to mean as much when a black woman wins them. and that is sort of what we're talking about here because the other candidates for that, that chair that she was going to have. i had received tenure and pondering, rising go one of them some alena, let me turn it back on you and say, do you take that personally and then walk from this situation, resonates in your career? absolutely. i mean, i think for me, it felt like wounds kind of re opening up after i became full professor at the university of virginia. i wrote an article in the chronicle of higher education about my experience is called becoming full professor while black. because i had found that from graduate school moving forward. as i began my 1st jobs, that at every level i ran into people who were sort of telling me that whatever i was doing, it wasn't good enough. and so i learned that that rubber stamp that were waiting

for from a board of trustees. i learned never to announce anything until i had that rubber stamp because people would say, oh, it's a slam dunk your case, or i would just, you know, pro forma. and i felt like as black women and from other black women scholars, i got the advice that nothing is pro forma, nothing is a rubber stamp for us and, and nothing is a slam dunk. it's a fight along the whole way. and so this case actually just brought back all the memories of those struggles. as i moved forward to my career, i'm having some tennis size from the rest of the panel. masa articulate. yes, i you know, thinking about this story. took me back to the very early moment in my career after i finished my 1st year of teaching, i was part of a, a fascinating summer institute and interdisciplinary institute, which is to say that were faculty from across my university in many different

fields. all coming together to work on a shared problem, but again, opportunity and among the folks i was paired with was gentlemen who, whose research was involved, travel to the planet mars. and over lunch. as we traded details about our work, he said to me that he had always assumed that african american history. my field was nothing more than an indulgence in identity politics. that, that my work, he assumed was little more than navel gazing. and this was a wake up moment for me, i recognized that a, this was the kind of scrutiny. this is the kind of burden that i was going to carry . every time i served in on a committee, every time i went up for review colleagues who,

even before they got to my credentials, doubted the validity of my entire field of my department and more in a fair to say that i don't think my colleague and his work on mars was subject to the same sort of skepticism. well, what i'm curious about, particularly if you focus on sociology is the politics that surround at the moment . and how that plays into the way that black hacker demick so viewed, can you pick up on that point? are you experiencing that in your work? well, i think that right now, at this particular moment, there is a lot of focus and interest and what's going on with black students and black faculty on campus is there's a lot of activism among students and a lot of institutional statements and institutional interest and diversity that many of us look upon with suspicion. so i think black faculty are often caught in

between of the types of initiatives that it's institution and our, our institutions might be advocating or expecting or wanting us to participate in. and then the kind of momentum and activism from students on the ground and how we might be of value or how we might be in alliance with students and how some of us, the classes we teach, whether it's in black studies or in sociology the way that that's like on the pulse of what's going on with some of those student movements and includes a kind of critique or criticisms of institution and some of systemic racism that i think that you see even with the backlash against critical race theory. and thinking about the role that academics play in terms of public intellectual ism, but also in relation to a certain type of social activism that people on the right are suspicious of and wanting to stamp out the web. and i don't wanna get into trouble, but a night here because when you talk about universities wanting to involve you, because you are a academic of color, i see that in many different fields right now. damn,

i caught the george floyd effect. can you articulate it a little bit more? i know exactly what you're talking about. it's almost like how many brown bags and come it doesn't help us out. we need diversity. please, please. that's what i'm imagining is happening, but you didn't say that. go ahead and say yes i, you know, an associate professor, i'm just in math, but taylor of art. so how dare i say, but you go ahead, unpack it more than me back at the back. what i met at my on university there. i remember last year there was a big push to create these different committees and initiatives, and one of the projects with an anti racism curriculum. and i was approached and asked if i would like to create this curriculum for my colleagues. and i was just really surprised by that as if i don't already have a full time job and i'm not an education specialist. i mean, i'm a professor, but there are people who create curriculum across disciplines that's really

different. and so the idea that my own special at my own specialization in expertise weren't being recognized, i was just going to be kind of like just walked into this role to serve this purpose is like diversity purpose. that was actually really offensive to me. and i think the person who asked me was surprised that i took any issue with the request . and i said this will be enormously distracting. you know, i'm working on a book i'm working with my students. like, i don't know where i what about the time to create not just an anti racism curriculum for my own field, but just that what work across build and just no, no, no idea what i even thought of anti raise some anti racism and how i might approach that top, we also got an age of a whole new conversation and how when you said we could do a whole show about this, i was gonna bring us back to where we started with nicole. how did janet this is report i who reported on the story and he was following the story. and he's in north carolina. and this is what he's finding out. we spoke to him

a little bit earlier about the chilling effect of what has happened to nicole had it, as, even though i don't think his stories over yet is how to listen to judge. the board of trustees is a politically appointed body members of the board. if said that this was political, that it came as a result of conservative discomfort with her journalism, which deals with american history race, and is already having a chilling effect. we've seen professors who are considering coming to you in the chapel hill so that they will not be coming and citing this a specific reason why we've seen professors who are argue there so publicly that they're looking at leaving. so the effect is real and we're already seeing this looking holton in recent past prominent black chemist. tense down university of north carolina in light of controversy of the nico hannah jones. i am wondering about the lien going impact of this story. when you stop, you'll take away. yeah, i think that that recent news about professor jacobs turning down that position in

the chemistry department is very eye opening because we often do experience a lot of types of discrimination and bias that you can't exactly pinpoint. but when you do have a very clear case of going on, of course, you're going to be wary of that and wary of which school systems seem to be more susceptible to interference from right wing lobbying and right wing politicians. and that maybe that's not going to be a great place for me. i think that's important to consider. i certainly would malayna. absolutely. i mean, i think it, it not only has a chilling effect, i think, on people's students considering going to the university of north carolina at chapel hill. i would think graduate students as well within that. but also what scholars want to study and feel comfortable studying. because with this kind of current backlash on, i will say critical race theory in quotation marks,

because i'm convinced that many of the people using this term and who claim to be against it, are not actually familiar with what it is. i don't know what i mean. i mean, they don't, they don't actually know what it is. if you know something about, they think slavery and something about talking about rate. it's publicly and i, i do wonder if you know, graduate student seen this or saying to themselves, oh, should i, should i not pursue this line of research? is this the trend? is this what's going to happen moving forward? and, you know, we have already seen situations, for example, with the stevens to light a case out of the university of illinois at urbana champaign, which i think is another super high profile case. an instance of this where a person's research is being, is research topic is being used against them for political purposes. and i think it's quite dangerous. we do not want to keep going down this slope in this direction. martha might be anything to do with takeaway, but go ahead. i would takes us back to where we began, which is isn't the role of

a board of trustees to support to enhance, to build the reputation the capacity of university. and in this case, they've not only abdicated their role they have undercut the university of north carolina. and this chilling effect is exactly evidence of that. i'm going to show you this on my laptop. this is josh chapman. he what's for a b, c 11. this was posted on june the 4th. we have learned that the co, honda jones has office from at least 6 of the institutions and those positions have 10. yeah. okay, let's imagine. so one, the one like me to v malayna you and the co how to jones. what would you do that that you know, i, i would absolutely go to another university. the wound that a tenure denial creates even. it has ultimately reverse is too deep. huh. robin what would he do? i would as well. c i understand she has personal ties to you and see,

and really i wanted to say, my mom, i'm not a robin, it's you. alma mater which he sterile. if i martha, what would you do? well, i've not been so far from that, and i will say that in my life, i'm on occasion i have chosen to stay and to fight. i am somebody who i turned to leave a ride in the, in the critical importance of universities. and while nicole handed john, she knew precisely what she needs to do for herself, i would say that, you know, many of us choose to stay and fight because we are deeply invested in preserving some integrity in institutions that do such important work. thank you. laura. thank you, robbing. thank you, melina, for shining a light on what is like to be a black academic in the united states today. thanks for watching everybody. i'll

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