i, la grasso at the united nations. india has abstained from resolutions condemning russia and it's an old ally and india as big as supply of military weapons. it's also a strategic partner encountering china is expanding regional influence. what example on the final and in border so far the russians have lot of been against us on that on that issue. but now the chinese, my boss, that position the chinese might force them to take certain position on the india pakistan issues who russian dependency on china could have negative consequences for us. yeah. while india sending humanity renewed to ukraine as it seeks help from russia to evacuate its national stranded in east in ukraine, park, new metal al jazeera new delhi. ah, it is good savvy with a slo, adrian setting it here in doha, the headlines, louder syrup, russian foreign minister saga lover office,

told our 0 that those contemplating a 3rd world war must know that it would be a nuclear and destructive. he made the comments after was asked if the world has reached the edge of an abyss. let's listen him. it took me sky technology, stapleton, so ukraine has the capabilities and technology to manufacturer and nuclear weapon will mister putin talked about this. that's why within this military operation, we put into consideration the experience we've learned over the last decades since the collapse of the soviet union. the mission is clear to disarm ukraine and not deploy or manufacture any weapons that threaten russia, security threat or fear and general assembly as voted on a resolution demanding that russia withdraw its troops from ukraine. 141, and voted in favor 5 against russia. and paler bruce among them before the vote, russia had faced urgent calls to end its salt on ukraine. but moscow has denied that its targeting civilians to day we call on russia to stop it's unprovoked,

unjustified unconscionable war we call on russia to respect the sovereignty. and territorial integrity of ukraine. we call on another neighbor of ukraine barouche, who you've just heard from, to stop supporting the war and stop allowing its territory to be used to facilitate this aggression. meanwhile, the fighting continues and se from ukraine. the city of mario full was come under heavy russian bombardment. britches have been destroyed, preventing thousands of people from escaping rushes. military claims have taken control of the town of hassle on the black sea coast. others that lives, but he's continues here on al jazeera. after today's edition of inside story with hum seeka next, what happens the in new york has implications all around the world. will make these

stories resonate requires talking to everyday people. the mayor of the city announced that new doing away with the current view. that was, it was to get everybody on it's international perspective with the human touch zooming way in, and then pulling back out again. joe biden talks tough on vladimir putin in his state of the union address. the u. s. president warnings the russian leader has no idea what's coming beyond threats and sanctions. what can the us do to stop rushes? actions on you claim this is insights. ah, ah hello, welcome to the program on hasn't come. it is traditionally the most widely viewed speech, an american president, mace, the annual state of the union address to a joint session of congress laying down the president's plans for the coming year.

but events overseas often overshadow those plans and full, so rethink. and in this address, biden's 1st as president, the conflict unfolding in ukraine, featured heavily in its opening minutes. it was a recognition that the u. s. president was speaking to the world this time and not just the american people. joe biden added the united states that a long list of countries barring the s space to russian planes. he went after vladimir putin over rushes attack on ukraine. framing the debate as a battle between democracy and autocracy. rushes lad and recruit and sought to shake. the very foundations of the free world, thinking and make it ben to his managing ways. but he badly miscalculated. he thought he could roll in ukraine and the world would roll over. instead, he met with a mol, wall of stroke. he never anticipated or imagined. he met ukrainian people

united states department of justice settling a dedicated task force to go after the crimes of the russian oligarchy were joining with european allies, defined and seized, or yachts luxury apartments. their private jets were coming for you ill be gotten game tonight. i'm announcing that we will join our allies and closing off american aerospace to all russian flesh. her i say, add in additional fries on her russian foreign minister. rove has been reacting to the west in response to his country's invasion of its neighbour speaking to i just love rob said moscow would not let ukraine obtain nuclear weapons. and he warned if a 3rd world war took place, it would be nuclear and destructive bras. as russia would face real danger if key of acquired nuclear warheads are in ukraine fighting has intensified in and around

the crimean peninsula. the russia next in 2014 northeast in the city of person, russian troops and tanks are reportedly in control of the city center and ukrainian soldiers say they've been surrounded in the port city of mighty you, paul, northwest of crimea. reports also suggests russian forces have installed checkpoints around the peninsula. ukrainian government has dismissed some of those reports as propaganda. ah, so i said talk about all of this now with our guests in michigan, i'm joined by aaron call director of debates at the university of michigan. he's also editor and co author of the state of the union is memorable addresses of the last 60 years in here is kara roodick, ukrainian member of parliament's. and joining us from washington, robert hanser, former us ambassador to native will welcome to all of you. so aaron,

let me start with you, then what did you make of the president's speech? and what he had said about ukraine was, was it enough? i think it was probably a little less than, than some were expecting, you know, it's only in our speech. and so, and he has a lot of things to talk about, including domestic issues like the economy, inflation and covered it. it ended up being about the 1st 10 minutes, the speech about 15 percent. but in some ways, it was the dizziness of the speech because there was a lot of bipartisan support for the position, a lot of positive imagery, you know, those with the colors of ukraine. the ambassador was there and you know, directly talked about, but i think it's a very tough position for him to be in. i look back to jimmy carter's to the address in 1980 after the soviet union invasion of afghanistan. and he kind of went back to that invasion at several points in the speech by present bio chose to just

talk to the talking about it at the top for 10 minutes. and that's, it's good because that's the time that most of the people are turned in and it's the highest. but i think there were some expectation before that even more time would be devoted given the significance of the issue and how it's dominating the, the domestic international media in karen, rudy k joining us from makia van. i would appreciate you joining us from the cleaning capital and we are your staying safe there? what did you take from the american president speech or was it was it enough for you? there is one key point that all ukrainians are waiting for is if our allies are going to a close this kind of for us or not, this is the main thing. this is what we're really looking forward to. we don't really care if it will be official or unofficial if it will be along with the rules of nate or it will be the way the trash is doing. you're saying it was not ours.

every single day ukrainian cities are being bombarded by russian missiles every single day when we are talking and discussing and negotiating and thinking what else can be done. ukrainian people are telling what can be done. we need a no fly zone over your brain, or at least some of ukrainian cities because every single day, the only matter for us to lose the only one is that if wouldn't, we'll be able to polish ukrainian soil by from the sky. we are doing very well on the land side. we are, we definitely will be able to push back and we definitely will be able to win. but before that, there is a high chance that booty will destroy all our cities and destroy our infrastructure . the way that will be thrown back up to 2030 years behind. and this is so frustrating, right now i'm think we'll do the u. s. president,

for all the support on all the sanctions and all the direction that he have given the world community on how to help ukraine. however, what we are expecting right now is oh, by any means help us to protect us from disguise. for the last 7 days of war, we have experienced maybe 20 times when there were a tax on, on kia. and you had seen the destruction that have happened. and you had seen that right now put in is using forbidden weaponry. and even that is not a hiding it. so given all of that, we have the country that are obeying the rules and saying ok, we will figure it out, give us some time. and we have a tyran with trying to destroy ukraine with no, was no roles of war, was no rules over work crimes with no rules of using weapons. and the world is watching and saying will help you out guys just hold on. so we are holding on,

we are pushing back, but what if you fail? and i'm so concerned given what we have seen in cartoon, given what we have seen around here, that we may fail. not because we did wrong, not because we didn't fight enough, not because we didn't have enough soldiers, not because we weren't brave enough. not because we didn't have enough weapon to be, but just because from this guy from the air side, we didn't have the protection that we need so badly right now. so i'm asking every single government in every single country to try and find a way to support ukraine and provided was no, i don't right now over other see our cities. this is where we ask you from the bottom of the hard to protect us. we are in the same side on the same side in this battle. it's not between russia. crane, it's not with countries right now. it's in between the civilization. i know, and we're here i think we'll carry you talk

a lot about the no fly zone there and i know many that is something that many ukrainians have been calling for and we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll get to that in a moment. but i want to ask for an answer, what you took from the speech and, and did it leave you with, with questions about where america goes next. but it's interesting reference to the jimmy carter speech in 1980 after the russian bay, you know, have to have because i wrote that speech for jimmy carter in it does bring back hiring memories. mister, by last night, did a couple of things. number one, he was not going to go to go shake on television and negotiations were gonna have to happen at this point. china apparently made an offer and what we will say about mr. by the 2nd, they ruled out any us direct military involvement. and that it was a no fly zone or the united states is not prepared to get involved. ukraine is not

a native member, even though it did say and has said for 14 years after ukraine will join nato, which creates a moral responsibility. if nothing else, he also however, tried to demonstrate the support, not just of the united states, morally and politically honest as a guest from michigan. the bipartisan support. but also to emphasize that mr protein is totally isolated and the outside world has been, i think, quite successful effort with all the allies of other countries to get the most trust sanctions that have never been in part. but one has to be realistic. and despite all the factors to what the primary problem it says was the courage of the cranium. people are sanctions. i don't think that are going to work,

certainly not in the short term. and last, for some reason mr. brewer decides she wants to stop while the sampling he was that generally, they worked out with russia. i'm afraid you should get to become lot worse. and the united states says mr. martin pay claire last night. as cords provide money and weapons, but it is not current to get engaged in a war in any way. let's talk a bit more about the possibility of a no fly zone air and co if, if nato what to enforce a no, no fly zone over ukraine as many cranes are asking for. is that a viable option at this point? and it's not why. right? i mean, not, not from my perspective, kind of, you know, giving the read of what it looks like politically there been, you know, interviews i thought was interview with florida. senator marco rubio just said he thought that if, if that happened, you know, the good cause trigger world war 3,

you know, because once that occurs here, they're guaranteed to be conflict. and that escalates the united states involvement and culpability in the conflict. and, and, you know, the, where the endpoint is, you know, nobody would know. and as the bachelor said, you know, i think that president was very clear in his speech that there's not going to be u. s. military involvement directly. and i think that would include the know by the, just like some of his comments about, about sanction and military financial, other support, banning russian plains from you know, i'd say thursday is going after, you know oligarchs and gotten gains and things like that with just apartment while all those things receive bipartisan support, the exact converse is true of when talking about a no fly zone. there doesn't seem to be any domestic political support on either side of the aisle and including the president of this no fly zone because of the potential for escalation and conflicts. so that doesn't seem likely absent,

some major change in the situation. well, let's, let's put that to q roodick. then you talked about the need for no fly zone. but the concern that nato has over that is that it would escalate this war to a level that, that it doesn't to some way that it doesn't want to go. because it would mean fighting the russian military directly. and that could escalate into a much wider war would, could, which could be, which could be worse, not just for ukrainians, but for many more people in europe. what do you say to that? so 1st of all, i totally understand it because i guess i'm a petition myself and her, but i'm also sure that if there are rules that exist and we're talking about the rules that are, that the nato members only have to protect me to members. and there are ways to or go over those rules and i'm going to stand was not an 8 member. and syria was not

in a dilemma. right. and right now we are talking about a european country that needs support them. sure. and i have been talking to different generals from different european countries. and this is right now, one of the ways that everybody is discussing, the way that will allow political that will allow not to get into that a bigger conflict politically. but that will provide us with the enough to support from the year. this is basically the goal. this is basically the task. i don't see it as the one being impossible, especially that we have seen put in who for 8 years was declining, that he is on that his army is on our territory and his army is in ukrainian. don bye. so a, there could be a document put together and i know the, some us officials are working on it right now. that would say with certain

limitations and with certain items and only for the protection purposes here. and there we can help and support for this particular reasons. and i'm sure, and i'm super, super convinced that at some point it will get to that. my issue is that we see that all the steps that the democratic countries are taking. they are like 2 weeks later and then then put this put in actions and we're ukrainians are paying for it with our lives and with our blood. because the sanctions were in it, which we are super grateful for. i won't be super on us. we are very grateful for them. sanctions was put on friday. so a different day when the russian started feeling it was monday. so the 3 days we had to die to and fight and to death because because it was just the time issue. so if everybody in their hearts will agree that the protection will,

will be implemented, then we need to make sure that it will be implemented as fast as possible. if we in our heart, do not agree that it will happen, then i want to be very open with everybody and i'm very open with it. that there is a chance that ukraine may fail. we are, we're fighting as how we will be protecting our country. but at some point, given what is kevin right now, we may not be able to. and then there will be a question for everybody about like, what are we going to do with the country that is occupied by russia in the center of europe, and even a solution to protect the country while we are independent and fighting was better than having another country, all right, well let's hop it, maria, that. let's put some of that. let's put out to, let's put somebody to, to, to robert hunter. then what, what, what happens if all of these measures that the united states and its allies have

taken don't make any difference and fail to force, put it into retreat. and ukraine is essentially unoccupied. a country and you know, a dare i ask if, if, if he keeps going beyond that, determined to reestablish this kind of sphere of influence that the, the old soviet union's leaders gave up. disastrously in, in vladimir putin's view, what happens then are fresh, i think the russians are calculating that they're prepared to take more risks in order to subjugate. and that's why we're talking about ukraine and the united states, in particular as a leader of the, of the native elias his prepared to run. and that came over threatened escalation. mr. brewed has already demonstrated that he is a, he has succeeded at that. and the united states and the other nato eyes are said, it is not worth risking escalation,

maybe even to the nuclear level for your crane. and unfortunately, as a fact to harsh reality, if indeed mister potent, to move forward to occupy all of your grade. and in the short term sanction or sanction will isolated, may be able to destroy the rest of the economy over the years. we're not going to work right now, but if that happens, then we'll see what mr. pers prepare to do. i believe there is already a tacit understanding, and this is a harsh reality that mr. brewton is going to be able to get away with whatever he wants to do, and ukraine at pain and suffering ukrainian people, or a big, extraordinary brave. quite frankly, the only reason i suspect that mister president has nordic god throughout the country is that at least in the pain of a rational being killed, he's as an adequacy russian forces. but the tacit understanding is yes,

and i'm going to say this is a way which out to a, an outside observer. yes, you can have ukraine, that's too bad. but sure enough corner be allowed to touch any of the nato allies, at least with open aggression. and i think mr. brewton understands that and is repaired to respected, because mr. bought mr. biters very clare, as she can't back out from if there was open aggression against a nato ally, united states would have to respond. or nato's finished and america, her opinion power is finished. and i think good understands that but ukraine. i was a big sacrifice, but i'm afraid and last, mr. po, decide to stop. at some point, ukraine is going to suffer a lot more and will be all right, aaron. cor, what's your, what's your take on that, that as terrible

a toll as this is taking on ukraine. the u. s. and its allies would not be prepared to go any further than what they're doing now. the much beyond what they're doing now. yeah, i mean there's, you know, some other things that have been, discuss that are short of the no fly zone. i mean, senator joe mansion is called for a ban on russian oil exports. there's talk about taking action against russia inside of the united nations security council. and some of the proposals were just, you know, they viewed last night about the, the banding of russian planes in aerospace and involving, involving the department justice to go after oligarchy. and that's, that's not as tough to mean. their wealth is intertwined in a lot of different areas, such as, you know, real estate professionals for groups, things like that. so. so yes, it's just, it's a very timely thing and people are talking about, we're just one week into this. when people are talking about something that last thing, months or years. and so, and so yes, i mean, eventually if,

if the president who goes too far, or, you know, troops from nato or people from nato and other countries kind of become involved in that may tie united states and, but we certainly don't know the future in this just may be the beginning by the s and the in the short term, just the daily, you know, suffering brandis actions occurring is like it occur and that'll drive the policies things to think about right now that may not be possible. it's just, it's unclear be given the how things escalade and, and what kind of the appetite of both the american public and the world. and it's watching this and then media landscape is and, and nobody knows the answer to that. as about career riddick, i'm probably going to give you was probably going to be last word on this to you and i want to ask you as well, should the west have seen this coming up for i have a comment about that about that. yeah,

well that will happen. i will have to suffer. oh, the point is we on this, we just definitely do understand what's going on right now. like in the world politics and how. 3 your brain is as a country, we are receiving support from one side, but we know that the most of the work will have to do our self. there is no doubt to that. but again, a, when you are calculating and waiting the risks, they issue would be like, what would happen if there will be a rush or controlled country, large country with huge potential and a guest liason and chernobyl on its territory in the central ukraine. and it will be, and instead of having the country that is fighting for its freedom, fighting for european union, it will be a country who'll be like producing additional russian soldiers. are we sure that this is like the world once? because if so, like if it's easy and quickly to go to that,

then 2nd thing is should the west and his coming well couldn't, was very, very, very adamant about what he's going to do. and it started, i think i was in the united states for in the early november when this information was shared, that he's going to attack and her since that time. so it was not used since that time. ukraine has been at their pre war situation and everybody was expecting this because then we had to, we all had intelligence. we all had the information that he is getting the troops that we had high hopes that he wouldn't that, that but their understanding was there a week before, were i wasn't the munich security conference. and there i was talking to members of 4 different gap governments and so with the military representatives,

tetra, and everybody was saying yeah, we think the chance is less than 10 percent and my reply to that was ok. the chance is less than 10 percent. if you have the list of sanctions, please show them to him right now. so he would know what he's playing again and forth for various reasons. it didn't happen. so i think we all were too optimistic about what he is going. we're not going to do. i think that was a mistake from, from the overall democratic ideal for years you will think about it isn't that you're going to be getting killed, et cetera. all right, person as a bullet, either here in ukraine or has been at war with for 8 years. i can tell you he's crazy, he's unpredictable. ok. and we should not under to pay logical decision on his site on that. give it in mind on that. not we're going to have to leave it there. we're out of time. my thank you to all 3 of you, aaron, call in michigan,

kia roodick in the key of and robert hunter in washington. thanks very much for being on. and so i story and thank. he was always for watching. you can see this program again, any time just go to our website. i just seen a dot com for further discussion. go to our facebook page at facebook dot com, forward slash ha, inside stored. you can also join the conversation on twitter handle. there is at ha, inside story for me has i'm sick and the whole team here. and uh huh. bye for now. join the debate. they, a racer of black people from the american and global story was very powerful on an online, at your voice. the comment section is whitehead join our conversation. we had all protected when everyone is protected. it is not by being nationalistic about us. you just look at it in a very different way. said that perspective men and men meeting each other and they

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