on the west. okay, thank you for your time and your expertise today. talking about the free strategy. just one final little story i'd like to bring you an update this our, that athletes from russia and beller is, has now been banned from the winter paralympic games. because of the crisis in ukraine this 24 hours after an initial decision which did allow them to compete as neutral, competitive international paralympic committee also stated it will hold no events in russia or villa rica until further notice. as an experiment. begin engaging on friday. ok, right, that's take you through all the development out of ukraine. this are the you in refugee agency festival says more than a 1000000 people are fled ukraine since rushes invasion began to we could go the fastest exit of people this century. most have headed west into poland and hungary, the mayor of mario paul is reporting mass casualties after what he describes is 15

hours of bombardment by russian forces who are surrounding the east and port city. there are similar reports from khaki in the northeast. and for large, explosions shook central keys over night or rocket strike, landed near the capital southern railway station is thousands of civilians were inside trying to leave the city. more on all of this journey home. the beef up in the capital cave for large explosions reported in the early hours of this morning. we await damage reports on those. but suggestions that 2 of them were in the center . 2 of them close to a metro station as well. and overnight, a rocket was fine, that landed very, very close to the central train station at just as hundreds, thousands, even a scrambling for the exit. so attacks bearing down on the city growing ever closer to the urban heart of the capital cave. other developments, the international criminal courts,

chief prosecutor says an investigation and to possible war crimes and ukraine will start immediately. investigation is backed by nearly 40 countries, including e u. member states, plus the u. k. australia and canada. the i. c. c. prosecutor kareem khan says, there is reasonable basis to believe war crimes have been committed. the united nations general assembly is voted overwhelmingly in favor of a resolution demanding russia withdraw its troops. the non binding resolution officially deploring the invasion, but doesn't condemn it. 141 voted in favor 5 against the russian 1000000000 at roman abramoff, which has confirmed he'll sell english football club. chelsea after 19 years of ownership. he's also promised to donate money from the sale to help victims of ukraine's war abramivitch who is reported who have linked to the russian president vladimir putin has not been named on the united kingdoms list of sanctions. and, but that you're up to date with the headlines,

the latest news from the russia ukraine war. the latest edition of inside story is next. little is more distressing for a woman than a month 20 pregnancy going horribly wrong. assigned and then being punished. boy, el salvador strict devotion laws have seen women incarcerated for years. some say they're only crime was the devastating stillberg. an empowering story of one woman struggle that ignited miscarriage of justice. a witness documentary on al jazeera joe biden talks tough on vladimir putin in his state of the union address. the us president warning the russian leader has no idea what's coming up beyond threats and sanctions. what can the us do to stop russia's actions on ukraine? this is insights. ah,

ah hello, welcome to the program i'm hasn't seen it is traditionally the most widely viewed speech. an american president makes the annual state of the union address to a joint session of congress laying down the president's plans for the coming year. but events overseas often overshadow those plans and full, so rethink. and in this address, biden's 1st as president the conflict unfolding in ukraine featured heavily in its opening minutes. it was a recognition that the u. s. president was speaking to the world this time and not just the american people. joe biden added the united states that a long list of countries barring the air space to russian planes. he went after vladimir putin over rushes attack on ukraine. framing the debate as a battle between democracy and autocracy. thrushes, lad, and recruit and sought to shake the very foundations of the free world. thinking and making ben to his managing ways. but he badly miscalculated. he thought he

could roll in ukraine and the world would roll over. instead, he met with a mol, wall of stroke. he never anticipated or imagined. he met ukrainian people united states department of justice settling a dedicated task force to go after the crimes of the russian oligarchy were joining with european allies, defined and seized are yachts or luxury apartments. their private jets were coming for you ill be gotten game tonight. i'm announcing that we will join our allies and closing off american aerospace to all russian flesh. her i say adding additional spruce on her russian foreign minister rob has been reacting to the west in response to his country's invasion of its

neighbour speaking to 0 love, rob said moscow would not let ukraine obtain nuclear weapons and he warned if a 3rd world war took place, it would be nuclear and destructive bra says russia would face real danger if key of acquired nuclear warheads are in ukraine fighting has intensified in and around the crimean peninsula. the russia next in 2014 northeast in the city of person, russian troops and tanks are reportedly in control of the city center and ukrainian soldiers say they've been surrounded in the port city of mattie. you, paul, north west of crimea. reports also suggests russian forces having store checkpoints around the peninsula. the cleaning government has dismissed some of those reports as propaganda. ah, so i said talk about all of this now with our guests in michigan,

i'm joined by aaron call director of debates at the university of michigan. he's also editor and co author of the state of the union is memorable addresses of the last 60 years in kia if is kierra roodick, ukrainian member of parliament's, and joining us from washington, robert hunter, a former us ambassador to native will welcome to all of you so aaron, let me start with you, then what did you make of the president's speech? and what he had said about ukraine was, was it enough? i think it was probably a little less than, than some were expecting, you know, it's only an hour speech. and so, and he has a lot of things to talk about, including domestic issues like the economy, inflation in covered it. it ended up being about the 1st 10 minutes, the page about 15 percent. but in some ways, it was the dizziness of the speech because there was a lot of bipartisan support for the position, a lot of positive imagery, you know, those with the colors of ukraine. the ambassador was there and you know,

directly talk about, but i think it's a very tough position for him to be in. i look back to jimmy carter's to the address in 1980 after the soviet union invasion of afghanistan. and he kind of went back to that invasion at several points in the speech by president biden. chose to just talk to the talking about the top for 10 minutes. and that's good because that's the time that most of the people are turned in in the heights. but i think there was some expectation before that even more time would be devoted given the significance of the issue and how it's dominating the, the domestic international media in karen, rudy k. joining us from makia, appreciate you joining us from the cleaning capital. and we'll your staying safe there. what did you take from the american president speech or was it was it enough for you? there is one key point that all ukrainians are waiting for is if our lives are

going to come close, this kind of for us or not. this is the main thing. this is what we're really looking forward to. and we don't really care if it will be official or unofficial if it will be along with the rules of nate or it will be the way the trash is doing . you're saying it was not ours. every single day ukrainian cities are being bombarded by russian missiles every single day when we are talking and discussing and negotiating and thinking what else can be done. ukrainian people are telling what can be done. we need a no fly zone over your brain, or at least some of ukrainian cities because every single day, the only matter for us to lose the only one is that if putting will be able to polish ukrainian soil by from the sky. we are doing very well on the land side. we are, we definitely will be able to push back and we definitely will be able to win. but

before that, there is a high chance that body will destroy all our cities and destroy our infrastructure . the way that will be thrown back up to 2030 years behind. and this is so frustrating, right now i'm think we'll do the u. s. president, for all the support on all the sanctions and all the direction that he have given the world community on how to help ukraine. however, what we are expecting right now is oh, by any means help us to protect us from disguise. for the last 7 days of war, we have experienced maybe 20 times when there were a tax on, on kia. and you had seen the destruction that have happened. and you had seen that right now put in is using forbidden weaponry. and even that is not a hiding it. so given all of that, we have the country that are obeying the rules and saying ok,

we will figure it out, give us some time. and we have a tyran was trying to destroy ukraine with no, was no roles of war, was no rules over work crimes, with no rule of using weapons. and the world is watching and saying will help you out guys just hold on. so we are holding on, we are pushing back, but what if you fail? and i'm so concerned given what we have seen in cartoon, given what we have seen around here, that we may fail. not because we did wrong, not because we didn't fight enough, not because we didn't have enough male soldiers, not because we weren't brave enough, not because we didn't have enough weapon to be. but just because from this guy from the air side, we didn't have the protection that we need so badly right now. so i'm asking every single government in every single country to try and find a way to support ukraine and provide it was no, i don't right now over other see our cities. this is where we ask you from the

bottom of the hard to protect us. we are in the same side on the same side in this battle. it's not between rush, i'm crane. it's not with the country straight. now. it's in between the civilization. i know and we're here. i think we'll carry you talk a lot about the no fly zone there and i know many that is something that many ukrainians have been calling for and we'll get to that in a moment. but i want to ask for the answer, what you took from the speech and, and did it leave you with, with questions about where america goes next? well, it's interesting the reference to the jimmy carter speech in 1980 after the russian very, you know, have kind of because i wrote that speech for jimmy carter and it does bring back hiring memories. mister, by last night did a couple of things. number one, he was not going to go to go shake on television and negotiations were gonna have

to happen at this point. china apparently made an offer and what we will say about mr. bye and secondly, ruled out any us direct military involvement. and that it was a no fly zone or the united states is not prepared to get involved. ukraine is not a native member, even though it did say and has said for 14 years after ukraine will join nato, which creates a moral responsibility. if nothing else, he also however, tried to demonstrate the support, not just of the united states, morally and politically honest as a guest from michigan. the bipartisan support. but also to emphasize that mr protein is totally isolated and the outside world has been, i think, quite successful effort with all the allies,

lot of other countries to get the most intense sanctions that have never been empowered, but on has to be realistic. and despite all the factors to the primary problem, it says was the courage of the cranium. people are sanctions. i don't think that are going to work, certainly not in the short term. and last for some reason mr. prudent to size, she wants to stop. while the sampling, he was that camera, jeremy way. they worked out with russia. i'm afraid it's going to become lot worse . and the united states says, mr. martin, hey claire. last night his court is provide money and weapons. but it is not current to get engaged in a war in any way. let's talk a bit more about the possibility of a no fly zone air and co if, if nato, the what to enforce. no, no fly zone over ukraine as many cranes are asking for. is that

a viable option at this point? and it's not why. right? i mean, not, not from my perspective, kind of, you know, giving the read of what it looks like politically there been, you know, interviews i thought was interview with florida. senator mark rubio just said he thought that if, if that happened, you know, the good cause trigger world war 3, you know, because once that occurs here, they're guaranteed to be conflict and that escalates the united states involvement and couple building in the conflict and, and you know the where the endpoint is, you know, nobody would know it and the bachelor said, you know, i think that president was very clear in his speech that there's not going to be u. s. military involvement directly. and i think that would include the know by the, just like some of his comments about, about sanction and military financial support, banning russian plains from united states aerospace going after, you know oligarchs and gotten gains and things like that with just apartment. while

all those things receive bipartisan support, the exact converse is true of when talking about a no fly zone. it doesn't seem to be any domestic political support on either side of the aisle and including the president of this no fly zone because of the potential for escalation and conflicts. so that doesn't seem likely absent, some major change in the situation. well, let's, let's put that to q roodick. then you talk to me about the need for a no fly zone. but the concern that nato has over that is that it would escalate this war to a level that, that it doesn't to some way that it doesn't want to go. because it would mean fighting the russian military directly. and that could escalate into a much wider war would, could, which could be, which could be worse, not just for ukrainians, but for many more people in europe. what do you say to that? so 1st of all, i totally understand it because i guess i'm

a petition myself and her, but i'm also sure that if there are rules that exist and we're talking about the rules that are, that the nato members only have to protect need to members. and there are ways to or go over those rules and again, his and was not an 8 member. and syria was not in a dilemma. right. and right now we are talking about a european country that needs support them. sure. and i have been talking to different generals from different european countries. and this is right now, one of the ways that everybody is discussing, the way that will allow political that will allow not to get into that a bigger conflict politically. but that will provide us with the enough to support from the year. this is basically the goal. this is basically the task. i don't see it as the one being impossible,

especially that we have seen put in who for 8 years was declining, that he is on that his army is on our territory. and if his army is in ukrainian, don, bye. so a, there could be a document put together and i know of the, some us officials are working on it right now. that would say with certain limitations and with certain items and only for the protection purposes here. and there we can help and support for these particular reasons. and i'm sure, and i'm super, super convinced that at some point it will get to that. my issue is that we see that all the steps that the democratic countries are taking. they are like 2 weeks later and then then put this put in actions and we're ukrainians are paying for it with our lives and with our blood. because the sanctions were in it, which we are super grateful for. i won't be super honest. we are very grateful for

them. sanctions was put on friday. so the 1st day when the russian started feeling it was monday. so the 3 days we had to die to and fight and to death because because it was just the, the time issue. so if everybody in their hearts will agree that the protection will, will be implemented, then we need to make sure that it will be implemented as fast as possible. if we in our heart do not agree that it will happen, then i want to be very open with everybody and i'm very open with it. that there is a chance that you claim may fail. we are moving, fighting as how we will be protecting our country, but at some point, given what is kevin right now, we may not be able to. and then there will be a question for everybody about like, what are we going to do with the country that is occupied by russia in the center

of europe, and even a solution to protect the country while we are independent and fighting was better than having another country, all right, well let's hop it, maria, that. let's put some of that. let's put that through. let's put some of that to, to, to robert hunter. then what, what, what happens if all of these measures that the united states and its allies have taken don't make any difference and fail to force, put it into retreat. and ukraine is essentially unoccupied. a country and you know, in dare i ask if, if, if he keeps going beyond that, determined to reestablish this kind of sphere of influence that the, the old soviet union's leaders gave up. disastrously and in vladimir putin's view, what happens then are fresh. i think the russians are calculating that they're prepared to take more risks in order to subjugate. and that's the way we're talking about ukraine than the united states in particular as a leader of the,

of the native elias his prepared to run. and that game over threatened escalation. mr. prude has already demonstrated that he is, he has succeeded at that and the united states and the other native eyes of it is not worth risking escalation. maybe even to the nuclear level for your crane. i that unfortunately is a fact to harsh reality. if indeed mister potent decides to move forward to occupy all of your grade. and in the short term sanction or sanction will isolated maybe will destroy the rest of the economy over the years. we're not going to work right now, but if that happens, then we'll see what mr. pers prepare to do. i believe there is already a tacit understanding. and this is a harsh reality that mr. brewton is going to be able to get away with whatever he

wants to do. and ukraine at pain and suffering. i was the cranium. people are a big, extraordinary brave. quite frankly, the only reason i suspect that mister president has nordic god throughout the country is that, at least in the pain of russia, has been killed as an adequacy russian forces. but the tacit understanding is yes, and i say this is the way it which out to a, an outside observer. yes, you can have ukraine. that's too bad. but sure enough corner be allowed to touch any of the nato allies, at least with open aggression. and i think mr. burton understands that and is repaired to respect it because mr. park mr. biters barry claire as she can't back out from if there was open aggression against a nato ally, united states would have to respond. or nato's finished. and america, your opinion power is finished. and i think good. understand that,

but ukraine i will say being sacrificed, but i'm afraid at last mister potent decides to stop at some point ukraine, his car to suffer a lot more and will be all right, aaron corey, what's your, what's your take on that, that as terrible a toll as this is taking on ukraine at the u. s. and its allies would not be prepared to go any further than what they're doing now. the much beyond what they're doing now. yeah, i mean there's, you know, some other things that have been discussed that are short of the no fly zone. i mean, senator joe mansion is called for a ban on russian oil exports. there's talk about taking action against russia inside of the united nations security council. and some of the proposals were just, you know, they viewed last night about the, the banding of russian planes in aerospace and involving, involving the department justice to go after oligarchy. and that's,

that's not as tough. mean, their wealth is intertwined in a lot of different areas. such as, you know, real estate professionals, force groups or things like that. so. so yes, it's just, it's a very timely thing and people are talking about, we're just one week into this where people are talking about something that last thing, months or years. and so, and so yes, i mean, eventually if, if the president who goes too far, or, you know, troops from nato or people from nato and other countries kind of become involved and that may tie united states and, but we certainly don't know the future in this just may be the beginning by the estimate in the short term, just the daily, you know, suffering brandis actions occurring is like it occur and that'll drive the policies things to think about right now that may not be possible. it's just, it's unclear be given the how things escalade and, and what kind of the appetite of both the american public and the world. and it's

watching this and then media landscape is and, and nobody knows the answer to that. as a career riddick, i'm probably going to give you was probably going to be last word on this to you and i want to ask you as well, should the west have seen this coming up for i have a comment about that about that. yeah, well that will happen. i will have to suffer. oh, the point is we on this, we just definitely do understand what's going on right now. like in the world politics and how. 3 your brain is as a country, we are receiving support from one side, but we know that the most of the work will have to do our self. there is no doubt to that. but again, a, when you are calculating and waiting the risks, they issue would be like, what would happen if there will be a rush or controlled country, large country with huge potential and guess liason and chernobyl on its territory

in the central ukraine. and it will be, and instead of having the country that is fighting for its freedom, fighting for european union, it will be a country who'll be like producing additional russian soldiers. are we sure that this is like the world once? because if so, like if it's easy and quickly to go to that, then 2nd thing is should the western, his commer well, who didn't, was very, very, very adamant about what he's going to do. and it started, i think i was in the united states for in the early november when this information was shared, that he's going to attack and her since that time. so it was not used since that time. you grade has been a pre war situation. and everybody was expecting this because there we had to, we all had intelligence. we all had the information that he is getting the troops

we had high hope that he wouldn't that, that, but their understanding was there a week before, were i wasn't the munich security conference. and there i was talking to members of 4 different gap governments. and so with the military representatives, etc. and everybody was saying, yeah, we think the chance is less than 10 percent. and my reply to that was ok. the chance is less than 10 percent. if you have the list of sanctions, please show them to him right now. so he would know what he's playing again and forth for various reasons. it didn't happen. so i think we all were too optimistic about what he is going. we're not going to do. i think that was a mistake from, from the overall democratic ideal for year. you will think about it isn't that you're going to be getting killed, et cetera. all right, person as a bullet, either here in ukraine or has been at war with for 8 years. i can tell you he's

crazy, he's unpredictable. ok. and we should do not participate. logical decision on his site on that. give it in mind on that. now we're going to have to leave it there. we're out of time. my thank you to all 3 of you, aaron, call in michigan, kia roodick in key of robert hunter in washington. thanks very much for being on. and so i story and thank. he was always for watching. you can see this program again, any time just go to our website. i just need a dot com for further discussion. go to our facebook page at facebook dot com, forward slash ha, inside stored. you can also join the conversation on twitter handle. there is at ha, inside story for me has i'm sick and the whole team here and uh huh. bye for now. a mass pro democracy movement, violent crackdowns assassinations and you imposed sanctions,

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