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made you want to know you all and just read money. man i do is resilience and is just for us, right this minute here. is, am yes, to every know my nigeria on al jazeera i am josh rushing under the stream to day riding a new national constitution for the people at chilly qualities here said than done a right now, official debates over what you go into that constitution had begun so we'll look at the process and we'll look at what issues are at stake for chileans. ah, or look to understand how chill it got to this point. let's go back to 2019, when

a subway fair increased sparked massive protest over inequality and a leaders them in the country and many to lay hands blame the constitution enacted under the dictatorship of augusta pinochet's for what they saw as excessive social inequality. so in 2020, the process for a constitutional rewrite was approved in a national referendum. now with us today, to talk about these issues, actually, you know what, i'm going to ask them to introduce themselves. valentino, we begin with you al cortes, i m m i and i my journalist or if i'm like an independent media here in tina, and i'm actually on the ground here and somebody. oh, great on the grounds and give us live updates and maria hi, just i might be yeah. could i camera, i'm a lawyer on my program who program of he said in te lafleur id to national and we are supporting the work of the constitutional convention. thanks moran. you're joining us from santiago and patricia. yeah, my name is lisa now. yeah, i'm

a professor of people who studies here at the university. i'm also to lam and a regularity teaching sheila as well when we were able to focus our hey guys, let me introduce one more seat at the table and that's you. because if you're watching this right now, me to watch alive on youtube, to see that box over there. we have a live stream producer there right now, waiting to get your comments to me so i can make them a part of this discussion. so why don't we do this thing together, right? all right, speaking a, doing the same. let's begin with i latina. can you update us? what, what's happening there today? well, actually today they are presenting a new form, but just assess them from forum. there i think of the important because they already boat at some of the northern one. some of them were up past or the next step, another one. i had to go back you about commission, the system just the system commission. so we can get, we checked, and then we sent them again. if they are approved,

they're going to go to the next page. that is like chicken, we're voting where they're going to go article by article to vote them. and if it gets, we get that and it's not going to be and the proposal of new cost, if you can. this is happening with this and just the system commission that is one of the staffing commission that are checking all the information and proposing new articles and norms or is the kitchen. you know, i wanna go to my computer just for a 2nd here cuz i want to show the audience. one of the cool things about this is this plenary sessions. they're happening live on twitter. so people can actually go on twitter, don't go no, go after the show, but you can watch what's going on and what's happening. maria, talk to me for a 2nd. what. what does it mean for a nation to say, why don't we reconsider the entire constitution? well, it's not you say, as you were saying before, it sounds great and it is a really interesting process. but of course it's very,

very difficult and talented poor for us. oh, so it, we have 144, very different people who are writing this constitution who have to lean everything by 2 thirds of them. and although we have a particular piece that most of these people, more than 65 percent of them have never been in public office before. and most of them come from independent move lens, it or for social movement or attributes, for example, is so is also very challenging for writing. i knew constitution. and we have also like to novelty and to say that we have a 3rd or indigenous people in that country where we are a, one of the 2 countries in all america. we don't recognize, are you generals if people are constitutional or articles to show? so that it's a novelty for the process,

but also other filters. and we have did the pilot piece at their constitutional convention. so it's about talent in the process. but it also like any process that it has to be different people speaking in this casting, i'm agreeing on having a lot of consensus. it's also very difficult. and if you have to you, you need to process a lot of information. so, well, before we get to the difficulties i wanna, i want to kind of highlight how many people are involved and how the process is actually trying to involve a lot of people there in july. so i'm going to bring in a sound by now, this is from maria, lisa canarios, and she is the constitution that she's the president of the convention here. let's check this out. symphony said he, this is unprecedented in to lay in politics where there is no popular initiative law. for example, we have seen that many people are interested even though we have

a gap and internet access. and we also have problems of digital literacy in the country. we know this and we know that it is a limitation. however, more than 2000000 people have participated, have entered the platform and have sponsored initiative in september. the patricia what caught my ear there was she said more than 2000000 people have participated in this process. i that sounds like what good governance like, sounds like good, good citizens at work. what. what do you, what do you say to that? well, because it is just a bit more complicated. and the problem with this consideration in particular with the process in particular, is that if the real problem into working equality, which some extent it is still is one of the most. and he called quite countries, given its level of development in the world, the experiencing lacking them are given all previous constitutions that have been written in latin america, the world record of writing constitutions having reason of reducing equality

anywhere else. so people are concerned about inequality. that's a good concern, countries shouldn't be an equal, but we're taking a road to solving the quality. we're taking a process to solve the quality, but haven't really worked anywhere else. so since many of the people will end up being disappointed because they are actively participating, they have high hopes that the constitution will sold you less problems. but given that the most important problem is in equality and the, experiencing that the number you get has been that new constitutions don't reduce inequality or in for a big disappointment in the years to come. well, i think there's something very interesting that people are going to be disappointed, but i think there might be people that are all ready to the point that process is gone as they would like to. people want, it's like for them to sit down and start writing the constitution right away. it doesn't work that way and i think it has it in. it may be trouble, or the con,

there convention has been trouble to explain people that you can just sit and do it . you have to have rules, you have to have commissions organize it and have a very good way. and i think maybe that has them been communicating well. so i would probably say that people are disappointed. they're all there is also people saying that they're going to be back of the project no matter what the result if. so i think that the conventional, the members of the assembly had to put an eye on that because that people are scared, people are not happy and maybe the they will be disappointed before then we want it to be back. if you all are when it's already written, i me can't imagine the constitutional now come here where people are disappointed in is that even the goal? in speaking the goal, like we talked about, the in quality, does a lot more at stake here, maria, than just economic issues. right. what's on the table? yes, of course we have miss tri crisis with if we're going to show that it's really,

really, very worrying. so of course, there's also hearing fake, how can you read the sign? if you can have that, how can you read the sign your institution in a way that they are more coherent or they are more accountable or people come participating more in it? publications. and i think that's also a stake here. i think that there's a inequality in economy perspectives, but also in the access to power workshop when the exercise power. and i think that they are also conversations here that people agrees that need to be paid, but the pay the details of how it needs to be paid. it is what is very challenging . for example, this tele station, i think there's a very big agreement about in moore doesn't tell you station about gender clarity about more representation on participation of in the just people. but how are we going to do that? that is a very talented issue. and of course, but they feel it was saying,

the constitution is not only the solution for you know, quality you have them to implement this new constitution and what is going to happen in that transition period? it between the current constitution i'm the new constitution is approved by people a, but i think that the process sometimes can be more important or as important as the content of the new constitution. and as you said, there's a lot of more participation in from c to sales that we used to have here in to, you know, talking about these reforms. i wanna bring in another voice. this is nicholas d as he's an analyst for latin american caribbean in washington. dc here, check out what he says about the although these performs do lead to more inclusive society, they also do raise the prospect of making she lose business environment less

attractive, which is posing risks to the country's growth potential. patricia, so he's talking about business concerns and one of the big issues when these kind of up people's happened in latin america is often about privatization of natural resources. can you touch on, on where that is in the debate down there and what the significance of that is? yeah, i mean, if we want to reduce inequality, there has to be economic development, right. you cannot be equally poor. that's, that's not the idea. we want to be equally wealthy. so economic development is central and one of the constitutional convention is doing is calling into question that market friendly economic model that sheila has had in place. some reforms are going to be needed. you need to introduce more protection for the environment. you need to introduce higher taxes so that companies can contribute more to the country . and particularly those companies that exploit minerals. but the problem of the constitutional convention is that most of the people in the constitutional

convention don't understand how businesses work and they really are not really paying attention to what the experts are telling them. so the problem is that they say, well, we don't like the killer existed before, so we're going to create a whole new chile and we're not going to even look at the previous constitutional history of de la to learn from the car. we're going to start from a blank sheet of paper and that's really and white. if you're going to write a new constitution, you should learn from what has worked in the country and from what has worked elsewhere. and you should put the things that work in the constitution and don't get too creative. we think that having work anywhere else, or things that have actually produced really bad results everywhere else. and i think the constitutional convention is ignoring the comparative evidence from other countries. and it's implementing things that really haven't worked anywhere. i think that you'll have white bear because at the up the assembly,

the members of the assembly are very worried about what people want and people want . the majority of people, of course, there's people, there is not they want to erase every little bit of the heritage of the dictatorship. so all of our, of our business model right now, if an inherited of this, so they say they say we have to race it and very different models to do with it. but it might not work with us. but be sure that and also a economic model commission, it doesn't have much denture members or more, right? it member centers, it's all like really, really left wing members, so they want to do like, really big chain dest ah, and like, reform, everything that we have. and that's because the political blot and the social movement couldn't agree to get the members that could be more expensive, right, way during the commission. so that's really interesting because it also their fault . * they decided not to put people on this commission that kid like beverage a little bit, the things that were discussing you know,

i thought it was interesting the process and it's, if you have what, 3 fifths of the people agree, but not 2 thirds, then it's going to go back to the people for a vote and i thought well, ok, so if less than 3 5th they don't agree on it. that makes sense. it's an easy no, and of more than 2 3rd degree on it. it's an easy yes. so it really takes those more contentious issues and put them back to the people. how was that process working so far? we just, we weren't like that now because that was a proposed ton of the constitutional convention. and but it has to be approved by the congress, most probably the congress that it will start on march 11 will have the vote for approving back. so they are agreeing in most of the issues for to her this is that, but that's also the thing we for example, they need

a piece of people. there were 2 initiative. it was a, for a reproductive on sexual rights of women. and the other that you'd like to live, you can face, so they were opposing each other and both have a number of signatures of people promoting them. so the convention has to discuss these on recently they have who is sexual? i'm reproductive, right? it's not something that it's yet approved by the pin i read so it can chase but then you have like 2 different movements or 2 different proposals from the 2 sense that one of them is going to be rejected by the constitutional a basis. of course you are going to have people that is not really satisfied with its results in, but also i want to put like a cautious alarm warming that many of these things are they are initially being discussed. so a lot of issues that's kind of where we people,

for example, the economy, co issues if they are being discussed, they are being proposed. but they are not get decided. there are being some alerts by a public opinion or some experts about some issues. for example, if we a legal warranty with indigenous people or for example, we've eliminated this and i, the senate on having only one number. i don't have be rethinking these issues. so although there's not much time for the call to, to, to a patient to write this proposal, if there is a lot of things that are going to happen the next month. so i think that we should also be cautious about saying some things that we still don't know how they're going to. so you mentioned march 11th. that's the new administration coming in the course delays elected a very young left as president gabriel burridge. how will that influence or,

or change that, where is he on this issue, valentino? well, it's technically shouldn't it, shouldn't it went to the work of convention because it, it's a different different power to declare and part of how government, where, how the state breaks. so he came to the convention he reunited with the president and the vice president, and he had a really nice chat. but he said he had a compromise with my employer. i think they how the process was and that he and his government will give all the resources and all the help that was possible. but he was going to look for it. look at, look at it from outside and not inter finding anything that the convention owner. we got a couple comments from the youtube audience right now. camilla munoz says. busy what's the outcome that the panel sees after the new constitution is presented? and tavia studio, it looks like in the face of the world crises were facing humanity. do you believe that all countries should enter into a constituent process?

as chile has patricia, you want to respond to the writing and the considerations like building a new house. right. and the problem is that i'm pretty sure that it's coming in. he's coming in before the new house is being fully built and you have to govern. he has to live in that house, and that's going to generate providence. normally, constitutions that we can ask, the president comes into office and not in the middle of a transition from one government to the next. and the other problem with building the house is that you cannot make everyone happy. and i think the problem with the constitutional convention is that it's trying to make a lot of different people happy. so they are bringing maybe around the mexican style mother, new traditional is the styles into the constitution, and they're trying to put it on. so that looked like way too many things, and that house is not going to stem complications, would ideally be minimal. and visual probably be one of the longest constitutions in the world because they are putting lots of things into the constitution. that's

never a good idea. in building constitutions, less is better than having way too many things, and the constitution will end up looking like a christmas trees, like a christmas tree with presents for everyone when social rights for everyone, and then the country will just not have enough money to fund. although such over murray to hear me yes, inferior support work, but it says, i also think that you have, you need more minimally constitution than if you don't need anything written because you need that before the government can go over with this constitution. that is the house for everybody. i agree with that, but also i just read that the, the power or the body of the constitution use the legitimacy, the people it gives them most probably this nuclear additional new tech will lead to address some issues that are problematic. here in, for example, that we don't guarantee really guarantee is some social and economic. oh right. so

i think we are going to move it that way. i know how you consider it, how you respect on how to promote the participation. all in groups. are people who are traditionally excluded from our or decisions like can people like women and other kind of groups. so i think that in the field we, if we started like the feel we, yes, we would like it perhaps. i mean, i know that, but also i think that we need to recognize some, i don't know, some lack of recognition as or so some lack of equality and a little pieces of a current position a and that needs to be included so that people consider that this call to, to show you sleep if you want to bring in another course here. this is one of the painful way, like go for sure. you need to see the other one on the table that watches whether you need a new table. and i think we're trying to build

a new table rather than everyone at the table about tina you're going to jump in there to right. yeah, i think both, but there's a thing that we are considering that maybe the people that are here want to put things that maybe shouldn't go on the real constitution. i mean, people here want all of their rights are all of our believes, all of their dreams, britain in this new constitution. and for example, there are things about themes and i haven't been contributions and other countries that have norms or things about the and it doesn't mean that speeds and security is that important, but maybe it's law materials. so i think that many of the people here don't want to get their own thinking in the constitution, and maybe they haven't realized what, but just that before, like the comfort experience and it should really be there. i talk a lot with all of the members and their super

a bit with the idea that what they want has to go there. and it's because of the people it because the people want it, but maybe i don't know if they think well is this ok, should it go here? should in the congress after legislate a law upon it. so i think that's up, it's going to be an interesting result. what we have from here, i'm going to pull in one more voice here. this is maria alex lucas is freelance journalist and listen, one shows us the some brittany process has brought together since he sent from the most diverse centers. 2 weeks ago that bolting within the constitutional assembly began. the paper is no longer black, but not all the teams have been approved by the find corals. many have been rejected and returned to their e mail commissions. the k times are ahead and it has not been defined where an extension will be requested. combinations are already meeting in the weekend to the late about the draft time he's running out to valentine

a year there. how much pressure are the constituents feeling where the deadline approaching? well, if we put it on a scale from one to 100, they are telling you all the time, like we have to get this done by the 4th of july, would have bled. and now we're saying like i know you happy with the lock that said it's trouble and the new congress that he's gonna pass a lot. well, you can get more time. but if i need all this but the discussion, it can 3 and i've been to 8 hours and then the voting article by article it takes time. and it also, you can question ok, you're voting on it and it's important and everything should get really, really at track. but what if you're voting plan are people going to be listening to you, or they're going up, eat informed about the process. so there's a lot of things that they should pick an account and i think at this moment they're not, but they are really troubled about the time. and it's any process is that it goes

back to the people for a vote. is that right? to be approved and that, and right now the polls are looking like maybe less than half of the people are supporting it at this point. so at this, you know, people one or more? yeah people one and you can see vision. they are not very happy with job. 5 the constitutional convention is doing, but people think the new constitution, it's like a magic bill that would it. so all of this problem. so they do one thing, the constitution, even if they don't understand what the new constitution with her or what the content of the new constitution should be. ok, okay, i got it. so, you know, this just seems like this is a, it's messy, it's challenging is difficult, but it's also democracy a working kind of fascinating. so is this approaches the deadline july 4th, we'll be watching it here on al jazeera english. and i want to thank all of you for joining us today. i'm for our audience. well, we'll see you next time on the stream. ah

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