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is similar to slower, delicate, many people have relatives in other parts of ukraine. we used to be one family cook . i'm a grown up for, but i want to cry. if my words reached both people in charge, i want them to understand how painful it is painful. it is. when your parents about your children are under fire, it must be painful. i'm sorry. politics is having a deeply personal impact here. decisions made far away, striking at the very heart of family life, and potentially creating divisions between loved ones that may never heal. stephanie decker or 0 family athletes from russia and belarus have been banned from the winter paralympic games beginning in beijing 24 hours after an initial decision which allowed them to compete as neutral. international paralympic committee also stated it will hold no events in russia deliveries until further notice, following russia's invasion of ukraine. ah,
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take you to the latest developments now. the you and refugee agency says more than a 1000000 people have fled ukraine since russia's invasion began a week ago. so fast as accidents of people this century, with most heading west into poland and hungary, in the mayor of mary paul's reporting mass casualties after what he described says 15 hours of bombardment by russian forces surrounding eastern port city officials say war has been cut off and food is running out of madry simmons live along the coast, the sea of ours, of port of maria po, other situation there is absolutely horrendous or no water, no food, no hope. for most people, their hospitals absolutely inundated with casualties. people needing the emergency assistance and not getting it. there is really an emergency going on there. the russians are putting more more um attention to the city,
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attention being an adequate word, really because it's very bloody and it's almost mediaeval the way that they're actually laying the city to siege for large explosions of shaken cave overnight to rock. what rockets strike landed near the southern railway station is thousands of civilians were trying to leave the city emergency crews in north trying to put out a massive fire and an oil depot reportedly hit by shilling. reports of dozens have been killed in china if hundreds of civilians have gathered at st. ukraine's largest nuclear power plant to prevent russian forces from gaining access. the mayor of in a head are, says, negotiations are taking place with russian troops who control those surrounding areas. that's my lot for today. thanks for your company. kim will take you through the next few hours of news that will be right after inside story china in the us. we balking their way to war in the struggle over ukraine. here is the test for
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president joe biden wouldn't really trying to do is rewrite the security architecture personally to go to walk and chew gum at the same time, weekly, take on us politics and society. that's the bottom line. joe biden talks tough on vladimir putin in his state of the union address. the u. s. president wanting the russian leader has no idea what's coming up on threats and sanctions. what can the us do to stop rushes? actions on ukraine? this is insights, thought ah hello, welcome to the program i'm hasn't seen it is traditionally the most widely viewed speech, an american president, mace, the annual what state of the union address to a joint session of congress laying down the president's plans for the coming year.
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but events overseas often overshadow those plans and forced to rethink. and in this address, biden's 1st as president the conflict unfolding in ukraine featured heavily in its opening minutes. it was a recognition that the u. s. president was speaking to the world this time and not just the american people. joe biden added the united states, the long list of countries barring their airspace to russian plains. he went after vladimir putin over russia's attack on ukraine. framing the debate as a battle between democracy and autocracy. russia's latimer brewton sought to shake the very foundations of the free world, thinking he can make it better to his medicine ways. but he badly miscalculated. he thought he could roll a new crane and the world would roll over. instead, he met with a more wall of strength he never anticipated or imagined. he met ukrainian people
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with suddenly new dedicated task force to go after the crimes of the russian. our dogs were joining with european hours to find and seize their yards luxury apartments. their private jets were coming for you will be gotten gains. and tonight i'm announcing that we will join our allies and closing off american aerospace to all russian flyers. i, sasha. this is my russian foreign minister, secular rob has been reacting to the west in response to his country's invasion of its neighbour speaking to al jazeera love, rob said moscow would not let ukraine obtain nuclear weapons. and he warned, if a 3rd world war took place, it would be nuclear and destructive. the process, russia would face real danger if key of acquired nuclear warheads are in ukraine.
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fighting has intensified in and around the crimean peninsula that russia and next in 2014, northeast in the city of harrison, russian, troops and tanks are reportedly in control of the city center and ukrainian soldiers say they've been surrounded in the port city of mattie. you, paul, north west of crimea, reports also suggest russian forces having store checkpoints around the peninsula. ukrainian government has dismissed summer goes report as propaganda. the so it's set talk about all of this now with our guests in michigan, i'm joined by aaron called director of debates at the university of michigan. he's also editor and co author of the state of the union is memorable addresses of the last 60 years in here. if is kara roodick ukrainian member of parliament's and joining us from washington, robert hunter, a former us ambassador to native welcome to all of you. so aaron,
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let me start with you, then what did you make of the president's speech? and what he had said about ukraine was, was it enough? i think it was probably a little less than, than some were expecting, you know, it's only in our speech. and so, and he has a lot of things to talk about, including domestic issues like the economy, inflation and covered it. it ended up being about the 1st 10 minutes, the speech about 15 percent. but in some ways, it was the genius of the speech, because there was a lot of bipartisan support for the position, a lot of positive imagery, you know, those with the colors of ukraine. the ambassador was there and you know, directly talk about, but i think it's a very tough position for him to be in. i look back to jimmy carter's to the address in 1980 after the soviet union invasion of afghanistan. and he kind of went back to that invasion at several points in the speech by present bio chose to just
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talk to the talking about at the top for 10 minutes. and that's, it's good because that's the time that most of the people are turned in in the heights. but i think there was some expectation before that even more time would be devoted given the significance of the issue and how it's dominating the, the domestic international media in karen, rudy k. joining us from makia, appreciate you joining us from the cleaning capital and we are your staying safe there? what did you take from the american president speech or was it was it enough for you? there is one key point that all ukrainians are waiting for is if our allies are going to come close, this kind of for us or not, this is the main thing. this is what we're really looking forward to. and we don't really care if it will be official or unofficial if it will be along with the rules of nate or it will be the way the trash is doing. you're saying it was not ours.
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every single day ukrainian cities are being bombarded by russian missiles every single day when we are talking and discussing and negotiating and thinking what else can be done. you grand people are telling what can be done. we need a no fly zone over your brain, or at least some of ukrainian cities because every single day, the only matter for us to lose the only one is that if putting will be able to polish ukrainian soil by from the sky. we are doing very well on the land side. we are, we definitely will be able to push back and we definitely will be able to win. but before that, there is a high chance that body will destroy all our cities and destroy our infrastructure . the way that will be thrown back up to 2030 years behind. and this is so frustrating, right now i'm think we'll do the u. s. president,
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for all the support on all the sanctions and all the direction that he have given the world community on how to help ukraine. however, what we are expecting right now is oh, by any means help us to protect us from disguise. for the last 7 days of war, we have experienced maybe 20 times when there were a tax on, on kia. and you had seen the destruction that have happened. and you had seen that right now put in is using forbidden weaponry. and even that is not a hiding it. so given all of that, we have the country that are obeying the rules and saying ok, we will figure it out, give us some time. and we have a tyran was trying to destroy ukraine with no, was no roles of war, was no rules over work crimes, with no rule of using weapons. and the world is watching and saying will help you out guys just hold on. so we are holding on, we are pushing back,
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but what if you fail? and i'm so concerned given what we have seen in cartoon, given what we have seen around here, that we may fail. not because we did wrong, not because we didn't fight enough, not because we didn't have enough male soldiers, not because we weren't brave enough, not because we didn't have enough weapon to be. but just because from this guy from the air side, we didn't have the protection that we need so badly right now. so i'm asking every single government in every single country to try and find a way to support ukraine and provided was no light gone right now over the sea, our cities. this is where we ask you from the bottom of the hard to protect us. we are in the same side on the same side in this battle. it's not between rush, i'm crane. it's not with the country straight. now. it's in between the civilization. i know and we're here. i think we'll carry you talk
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a lot about the no fly zone there and i know many that is something that many ukrainians have been calling for and we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll get to that in a moment. but i want to ask for an answer, what you took from the speech and, and did it leave you with, with questions about where america goes next. but it's interesting, the reference to the jimmy carter speech in 1980 after the russian very, you know, have kind of because i wrote that speech for jimmy carter and it does bring back hiring memories. mr. by last night, did a couple of things. number one, he was not going to go to go shake on television and negotiations were gonna have to happen at this point. china apparently made an offer and what we will say about mr. by the 2nd, they ruled out any us direct military involvement. and it was a no fly zone or the united states is not prepared to get involved. ukraine is not
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a native murmur, even though it did say and has said for 14 years that are ukraine will join nato, which creates a moral responsibility if nothing else. he also, however, tried to demonstrate the support, not just of the united states, morally and politically honest as a guest from michigan, the bipartisan support. but also to emphasize that mr protein is totally isolated and the outside world has been, i think, quite successful effort with all the allies, lot of other countries to get the most interest sanctions that have never been empowered. but what has to be realistic. and despite all the factors to the primary problem, it says was the courage of the cranium. people are sanctions. i don't think that
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are going to work certainly out in the short term. and last for some reason mr. bruner decides she wants to stop while the sampling, he was that camera, jeremy way. they worked out with russia. i'm afraid it's going to become lot worse . and the united states says, mr. martin pay claire last night. as cords provide money and weapons, but it is not current to get engaged in war in any way. let's talk a bit more about the possibility of a no fly zone air and co if, if nato what to enforce. no, no fly zone over ukraine as many cranes are asking for. is that a viable option at this point? and it's not why. right? i mean, not, not from my perspective, kind of, you know, giving the read of what it looks like politically there been, you know, interviews i thought was interview with florida. senator marco rubio just said he thought that if, if that happened, you know, the good cause trigger world war 3,
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you know, because once that occurs here, they're guaranteed to be conflict. and that escalates the united states involvement and culpability in the conflict. and, and, you know, the, where the endpoint is, you know, nobody would know. and as the bachelor said, you know, i think that president biden was very clear in his speech that there's not going to be u. s. military involvement directly. and i think that would include the know by the, just like some of his comments about, about sanction and military financial, other support banning russian plains from united states aerospace going after, you know oligarchs and gotten gains and things like that with just department. while all those things receive bipartisan support, the exact converse is true of when talking about a no fly zone. there doesn't seem to be any domestic political support on either side of the aisle than including the president of this no fly zone because of the potential for escalation and that conflicts. so that doesn't seem likely absent,
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some major change in the situation. well let's, let's put that to kira roodick. then you talk to me about the need for no fly zone . but the concern that nato has over that is that it would escalate this war to a level that he doesn't to some way that it doesn't want to go. because it would mean fighting the russian military directly. and that could escalate into a much wider war. would could, which could be which could be worse, not just for ukrainians, but for many more people in europe. what do you say to that? so 1st of all, i totally understand it because i guess i'm a petition myself and her. but i'm also sure that if there are rules that exist and we're talking about the rules that are, that the nato members only have to protect need to members. and there are ways to go over those rules. and again, this and was not an 8 member. and syria was not in
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a dilemma, right? and right now we are talking about a european country that needs support them. sure. and i have been talking to different generals from different european countries. and this is right now, one of the ways that everybody is discussing, the way that will allow political that will allow not to get into that a bigger conflict politically. but that will provide us with the enough to support from the year. this is basically the goal, this is basically the task. i don't see it as the one being impossible, especially that we have seen put in who for 8 years was declining, that he is on that his army is on our territory. and if his army is in ukrainian, don bye. so a, there could be a document put together and i know the, some us officials are working on it right now. that would say with certain
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limitations and with certain items and only for the protection purposes here. and there we can help and support for these particular reasons. and i'm sure, and i'm super, super convinced that at some point it will get to that. my issue is that we see that all the steps that the democratic countries are taking. they are like 2 weeks later and then then put this put in actions and we're ukrainians are paying for it with our lives and with our blood. because the sanctions were in it, which we are super grateful for. i won't be super honest. we are very grateful for them. sanctions was put on friday. so the 1st day when the russians started feeling it was monday. so the 3 days we had to die to and fight and to death because because it was just the, the time issue. so if everybody in their hearts will agree that the protection will,
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will be implemented, then we need to make sure that it will be implemented as fast as possible. if we in our heart, do not agree that it will happen, then i want to be very open with everybody and i'm very open with it. that there is a chance that ukraine may fail. we are, we're fighting as how we will be protecting our country. but at some point, given what is kevin right now, we may not be able to. and then there will be a question for everybody about like, what are we going to do with the country that is occupied by russia in the center of europe. and if the solution to protect the country while we are independent and fighting, was better than having another country. all right, well let's hop it, maria, that. let's put some of that. let's put her 2. let's put some of that to, to, to robert hunter. then what, what, what happens if all of these measures that the united states and its allies have
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taken don't make any difference and fail to force, put it into retreat. and ukraine is essentially unoccupied. a country and, you know, in dare i ask if, if, if he keeps going beyond that, determined to reestablish this kind of sphere of influence that the, the old soviet union's leaders gave up. disastrously in, in vladimir putin's view, what happens then are fresh, i think the russians are calculating that they're prepared to take more risks in order to subjugate. and that's the way we're talking about ukraine than the united states. in particular, as a leader of the, of the native elias his prepared to run. and that came over threatened escalation. mr. pruitt has already demonstrated that he is, he has succeeded at that. and the united states and the other native eyes are said, it is not worth risking escalation,
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maybe even to the nuclear level for your crane. i. that unfortunately is a fact to harsh reality. if indeed mister potent, to move forward to occupy all of your grade. and in the short term sanction or sanction will isolated, maybe will destroy the rest of the economy over the years. we're not going to work right now, but if that happens, then we'll see what mr. pers prepare to do. i believe there is already a tacit understanding, and this is a harsh reality that mr. brewton is going to be able to get away with whatever he wants to do, and ukraine at pain and suffering. ukrainian people are a big, extraordinary brave, quite frankly, the only reason i suspect that mister president has nordic god throughout the country is that, at least in the pain of russia, has been killed as an adequacy russian forces. but the tacit understanding is
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yes, and i may say this is the way it which out to a, an outside observer. yes, you can have ukraine, that's too bad. but sure enough corner be allowed to touch any of the nato allies, at least with open aggression. and i think mr. burton understands that and is repaired to respect because mr. bought mr by barry claire as she can't back out from if there was open aggression against a nato ally, united states would have to respond. or nato's finished, and america, european powers finished. and i think booted, understand that, but ukraine. i was a big sacrifice but i'm afraid and last mr. potent decides to stop at some point. ukraine. his car to suffer a lot more and will be. all right aaron. cor, what's your, what's your take on that, that as terrible
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a toll as this is taking on ukraine. the u. s. and its allies would not be prepared to go any further than what they're doing now. the much beyond what they're doing now. yeah, i mean there's, you know, some other things that have been discussed that are short of the no fly zone. i mean, senator joe mansion is called for a ban on russian oil exports. there's talk about taking action against russia inside of the united nations security council. and some of the proposals were just, you know, they viewed last night about the, the banding of russian planes in aerospace and involving, involving the department justice to go after oligarchy. and that's, that's not as tough. mean, their wealth is intertwined in a lot of different areas. such as, you know, real estate professionals for groups or things like that. so. so yes, it's just, it's a very timely thing and people are talking about, we're just one week into this where people are talking about something that last thing, months or years. and so, and so yes, i mean, eventually if,
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if the president who goes too far, or, you know, troops from nato or people from nato and other countries kind of become involved. and that may tie united states and, but we certainly don't know the future. and this just may be the beginning by the estimate in the short term, just the daily, you know, suffering brandis actions occurring is like it occur and that'll drive the policies things to think about right now that may not be possible. it's just, it's unclear be given the how things escalade and, and what kind of the appetite of both the american public and the world. and it's watching this and then media landscape is and, and nobody knows the answer to that. as a math career riddick, i'm probably going to give you was probably going to be last word on this to you and i want to ask you as well, should the west have seen this coming up for i have a comment about that about that. yeah,
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well that will happen. i will have to suffer. oh, the point is we on this, we just definitely do understand what's going on right now. like in the world politics and how. 3 your brain is as a country, we are receiving support from one side, but we know that the most of the work will have to do our self. there is no doubt to that. but again, a when you are calculating and waiting the risks they issue would be like, what would happen if there will be a rush or controlled country, large country with huge potential and a guest bryson and chernobyl on its territory in the central ukraine. and it will be, and instead of having the country that is fighting for its freedom, fighting for european union, it will be a country who'll be like producing additional russian soldiers. are we sure that this is like the world once? because if so, like it's, it's easy and quickly to go to that. then 2nd thing is,
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should the west and his coming well, who didn't, was very, very, very adamant about what he's going to do. and it started, i think i was in the united states for in the early november when this information was shared, that he's going to attack and her since that time. so it was not used since that time. your grade has been at there for you were situation and everybody was expecting this because then we had to, we all had intelligence. we all had the information that he is getting the troops that we had high hope that he wouldn't that, that but their understanding was there a week before why i wasn't the munich security conference. and there i was talking to members of 4 different gap governments and so with the military representatives, tetra, and everybody was saying yeah,
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we think the chance is less than 10 percent and my reply to that was ok. the chance is less than 10 percent. if you have the list of sanctions, please show them to him right now. so he would know what he's playing again. and 1st for various reasons, it didn't happen. so i think we all were too optimistic about what he is going. we're not going to do. i think that was a mistake from, from the overall democratic ideal for year if you will think about it, isn't that you're going to be getting killed, et cetera. all right. person as a bullet either here in ukraine or has been at war with him for 8 years. i can tell you he's crazy, he's unpredictable. ok. and we should do not participate. logical decision on his site on that. give it in mind on that. now we're going to have to leave it there. we're out of time. mar. thank you to all 3 of you aaron. call in michigan,
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