so guarantees that the sanctions have been put on russia and not going to affect russia's trade and relations with iran. it's a real spanner in the works. at the 11th hour news negotiations. in other news, north korea says it has conducted another test in its development though spy satellites. south korea had report to the launch as a ballistic miss our test, the 2nd in a week. so as bracing for pyongyang attempt to launch it's reconnaissance satellite system into orbit in the near future. ah, it says al jazeera, let's get around at now. the top stories ukrainian president vladimir zalinski is urging his people to continue the fight. as russia's invasion of ukraine continues, is pleaded with the west for more aid and is pushing for a no fly zone. nashville in the road in these areas,

we will not give our country to the invaders. ukrainian people in every occupied place. go on attack counter attack. you have to struggle, you have to fight, like incur song for dance. you have to go out and chased them out. clear this evil from our land. russian president vladimir putin is wanting any country that tries to impose the no fly zone or will ukraine would be a participant in a military conflict. valid image zalinski has pressed us president joe biden for more supports during a phone call. gabriel xander has more from washington the 2 leaders talked about security for ukraine and continued security support on behalf of new us to, to ukraine. i also talked about sanctions continuing ramping up of sanctions that biden, apparently towards the sky. you said it would continue to go on and continue to be a point of that. the white house would continue to focus on what was not discussed,

or at least what was not mentioned in the read out from the white house where 2 things any sort of calls for by talking about transferring of military aircraft to ukraine. that's something that's been talked about a bit, but there was no discussion of that between the 2 leaders according to the read out and also the no fly zone. a visa, a mastercard, say they are suspending all operations in russia effective immediately. it means transactions for credit cards issued within russia. it won't work outside the country. costs issued elsewhere will no longer work in russia. the companies are the latest to isolate moscow from the international community. more than 1300000 people of fled ukraine. since russia's invasion began, the un as recorded 351 civilian deaths with more than 700 others wounded. but i thought the real figures much higher. those are the headlines upfront is next.

ah, russia has launched an attack on ukraine. how will the world react to this latest move? what impact would this have on the people who claim and russia as events unfold? say with us for the latest news and analysis from us go on, i'll just 0. as russia continues its assault on ukraine, calls for action from the international community grow louder with the bake raging on everything from the effectiveness of sanctions to weather nato's involvement with ukraine contributed to tensions with moscow. and fears that direct action by nato could translate into war across europe. what can anything deter booting and what, what a long war mean? not just for the people of ukraine, but for russian citizens as well. that's our discussion this week on an upfront special the you wanted me to discuss the latest on ukraine, our doctor, stephanie best, former deputy assistant secretary general of nato, ducky of guinea outbox,

editor in chief of russia, the new times magazine and doctor agony agreed with a senior fellow at the atlantic council and author of the book beyond crimea, the new russian empire. thank you all for joining me. getting let me start with you . you've come to the kremlin for decades, so you understand better than most people, how they make decisions. we've seen weeks of warnings from the west, about an eminent invasion of ukraine trip build up along the border. and of course, diplomatic efforts to avoid the outcome that we're seeing today. in your view was war inevitable? you know, at all, there's nothing to do. so. reading the crystal balls, i'm just a journalist, but i do think that we can make it mine pretty much lost all the time. and why did she realize that she was unable to for the well?

because to what? to put why he will be calling to all for will he wanted it is to fade back. he wanted to divide the with the into of in and that is fine to show all the full law. so it's a problem when you realized that you were going to do that, she decided to start the war. it seemed to be following the advice. very particular sets of advisors, particularly the most hawkish wing of his security council, should not have to fool at one of any dish members of you for the council, because he felt as hobb long. i'm going to show with this trial. so the way he, he's a greg did of the so we do was to practice institution became to be and

that kind of situation, which is the culture of the organizational culture always has been based on le wireless. so i'm funny, bad for jeff rachel, if you could get what she wanted to get a way to do, i'm sure to get my fault. you're not teacher. she wants to help decline the or that the kind of international order set spartan agreed to have with roosevelt and churchill. that's what she will and she wants the future himself as an all day span . stephanie, in recent months, russia has repeatedly pointed the finger at nato. some of even argue that nato is at least partially responsible for the outbreak of war, arguing that its expansion in the early 2 thousands to include former soviet countries. is that the route of today's crisis?

would you agree with that assessment? no, and a surprisingly, i don't agree with that assessment. let me, let me say, 1st of all, i mean that we do have principles and global principles, including our, the free choice of countries to determine their own security arrangements or nato didn't go around shopping and ask people to join advice. vice versa. countries like lithuania is there one error, the czech republic, poland, all these countries really sought to become a member of nato because they thought it was best for their own countries. and they took it free and deliberate choice and that's number one. but number 2, i would like to stress. i also recall vividly because back then i, i was there i, when we signed the strategic partnership with russia, that was back in 1997. and we established a joint permanent council. so we,

we gave russia really quite a bit of said if i can say so on natal issues and be invited russia to work with us jointly. and we're almost 15 years we worked with russia. ah, it's, and now almost unthinkable. i'm into recall, but i was there, i was part of it and i still vividly recall the many, many issues and which we work with russia. m at nato, has never done anything wrong in terms of suggesting to russia that we would either reduce their or ignore their legitimate concerns. by contrast, we invited them to be with us to partner with stephanie, there are some people who would say, i agree with everything you're saying. but in the absence of nato, putin doesn't have the pretext that there would not have been an invasion. absent the pretext of nato and his concerns around nato. what do you make of that? well, i suggest it's all part of put it's narrative i. he tried very hard and still is

trying, i mean to basically roll back history and interpret everything which i'm talking about the past 20 years as something which ultimately constitutes a threat to what's voucher. and so this is very much a narrative and ah, reactions are in allied countries, basically, erections around the world. now make very clear that we don't buy into this narrative. we don't want to live in a world which is divided by fairs of inferences. and we go, don't want to go back as if dina has said to y'all, house tile an a power play, i mean, between the big powers. so, and i'm afraid to say i put in has miscalculated a lot, agnew given the in his speech. now, in the offensive into ukraine, putin also said the operation aim to d. not so far, the country in your view is the invasion, again, really about nato,

or is nato just a pretext. you know, nato said absolutely just a pretext. there are many other pretext that wooten has used and mean again, do you not if occasion of an extraordinary extraordinary statement, completely detached from reality, presidents lensky himself is jewish? so it's very difficult to make that argument, i mean, which has made other arguments that ukraine is a but brotherly nation, a brotherly, slavic nation. so therefore, they're gonna, you know, invaded whether ukraine likes it or not, to support and help their brotherly nation. so i think. ringback that there are many narratives that button has tried playing out over the course of this time. and really since some since 2014. and since the 1st invasion of crimea since the creation of separatist regents in lieu hon. scandinavia sca at the time, the pretext was that the russia languages speakers in ukraine were being

discriminated against. so therefore he is going to go in and help them up. there's been many prefects, but the end of the day, i think this is really for him up a project of personal ambition to try to re establish russia's influence and control over the post soviet space. i, he, president putin has stated many times that the fall of the soviet union was the greatest catastrophic o geopolitical disaster of the 20th century. so this is, i think something he wants to reverse and have this as his legacy. as president of russia is gonna, nina was formed in 1949 ah, during the cold war, primarily to counter potential soviet threats. ah, those the organizations very existence still hinge upon a certain kind of tension or the threat of war for motion. when we became the president back in 2001 of his 1st news was i,

he said that he would like to join out. he would like russia to june. so at the very beginning of his presidency, there was no talk about any threat from the side of the month of month of treatment . you know, i don't, peter, i believe back to russia and you know, he has the right to decide which nation has for right 70 and which nation though. so she decided that the brain that we have doesn't have this suddenly, right to decide who to ally with. and that's, that's it. i think that it's, it's so misleading to keep talking about made a threat. look,

that rush and propaganda motion no longer talks about me. nation propaganda machine now tell russian city of those that russia had to stop is for him to walk in order to prevent your grain from developing its own nuclear weapons. stephanie, that the war has put the question of natal membership for ukraine into conversation once again. it's on the table once more, despite having been repeatedly dismissed in the past. why has the idea of ukraine is a needle member always seemed so unlikely. well, event like the european union nation has not key aah for new members. so it is not just, i mean that we look at photos, pictures, and listen to the hi. say speeches are we want to make sure nate wants to make sure that any new and country accessing nato can actually make an a

contribution can ring to the table net or military capabilities and shares out the same values. doesn't have any type of territorial or other related conflict. i'm afraid to say it never actually met the criteria. and there were still and there was still quite a some work to do for the ukrainians on, on their spite. so that's lawless. i mean the procedural aspect, but above all, there is a political aspect. and if there is one thing that i criticize, or when looking at my my for mer employer, i think the decision taken back at the book, horace summit in 2008, was not helpful because it left georgia and ukraine with this and beauty. it was agreed the cause, there was no agreement that we would invite ukraine as well as georgia and to

become member at some point. but we didn't specify date and left. 2 countries in limbo. i thought, strategically speaking, politically speaking, that was not helpful. neither for nato's course, nor for the course of the 2 countries concerned, agnew. another thing that creeds difficulty is this question of energy independence . ah, right now europe plans to reduces dependence all russia. ah, and that is perceived by moscow as a threat. you yourself have called for more thanks on rushes nord stream to pipeline the natural gas pipeline that would double rushes, natural gas exports to europe via germany. in your view has europe's energy dependence on russia. emboldened bruton. absolutely. and i think this energy dependence also was one of the reasons put in miscalculated with this invasion. but if you look at europe today, the reality is it's at least about

a 3rd. it dependent on russian gas imports. fortunately with the globalization of the gas markets and the united states becoming a major gas producer, and l. n. g ex, border, there are more options for you or be and importing state. but nonetheless, today they remain highly dependent. and north stream too, is a pipeline that had a big impact on the way this crisis unfolded because the north stream to pipeline, directly from russia to germany, once it was completed, completed today, it's not certified and not operation. and hopefully it won't become so. but once that was completed, it allowed you russia to bypass the ukrainian gas pipeline system, which was one of the primary means of sending gas from russia to europe. and now that there is an alternative route, there was essentially this created a green light for food. and government to invade ukraine and to if damage but that

pipeline in the process, if you know there was nothing holding back from outright war and damaging the pipeline system because there was a belief that now they'll have an alternative pipeline system. so this gap dependence oil dependence really has a direct links with this current war in ukraine. let's talk a bit about sanctions. again, you know, there's been a lot of debate over the impact of sanctions on russia. many of express concerned that the effects of sanctions are more likely to be felt by ordinary russian citizens rather than by the powerful, by the state itself. our sanction the right choice. i'm not sure that i want to answer this question because as a political fines, as they would say, yeah, i think that these cars function are going to to clean some press look problem and we'll put you in and may lead to the fleet of

daily and change of the however, the kind of the sanctions that i have been, i have been imposed on russia. they effect a lot of my fellow citizens. we just yesterday the day before yesterday i woke up in a new world you country. and my in fact, in the live look for glee, a lot of been sold. now people are trying to withdraw currency dollars and euro's, and they, i mean, difficult. now, ready? not clear how russians are going to where russians i'm going to why they're going to to come back maintainance or for their ultima bias. but i

have a lot of problems that we're going to face pretty soon. however, i hate to talk about that because i feel so shame about what my country is doing not doing right now through the neighboring country to free. i see pictures from the web, but i know that hundreds and thousands for each day or, you know, they get to the beauty of them for that. i've traveled around your brain time and again, i know this country with the will. i love with my grandma family, it was from each grade and i see what russian i rush from new files and russian boys. i'm doing too hard of you to to. she told me that

i add to what do you play and i'm terrified. this is done by the army which i as a taxpayer, as a federal and the russian federation. i pay for that. and that makes me feel ashamed and you know, and no sanctions are good. now, if puts him and his people, i'm not going to be punished for the kind of past that they didn't do that they had been doing to grain empty europe in general, listening way in europe was found out. so in 1939, 1939, that was the year when the world war 2 stopped. i believe that when the country, which was 25000000 people through the world war 2 and these

very country way each piece of land is somebody is great. this country started to war and killing people right now, 20 century europe. it's just impossible to conquer stephanie. earlier this week, switzerland announced that it would freeze russian held financial assets in the country, totaling more than $11000000000.00. it's a big number that's according to the new york times. that's a rather shocking move, given switzerland's long history of neutrality. what, what does that kind of move tell us? it tells me that the global communities really are really running around one point, which is to, to really express their opposition, their frustration, derringer or de outburst with regard to what's ongoing and in ukraine,

even smaller countries neutral countries like so as a lend, you mentioned to have joined to chorus i. i must admit, i feel a little bit and embezzlement about it. on one hand, i think it's absolutely good and important at the international community comes together from various sectors, countries, tech sector, sports cultures, you name it to express at their opposition, but the more we do it, the more we do it, the more i fear. i mean, we corner president coaching considerably and if he were to put ourselves into his shoes and consider policy options, what is it i mean that can actually, ah, how can move forward? what is his exit strategy? i feel, i mean, that we ourselves need to also get and smarter and develop a strategy, how to actually manage such a hooting regime under global pressure. i think that's

a question which is on the table now for policy makers across the board. how do we manage that ag net? i'm thinking about what jenny says about. the kind of enormity of the moment. she's making comparisons to 1939. ah, the push that stephanie is talking about from the global community is part of the response to this moment. what you see is the proper global response, the proper type of pressure, switzerland gives one model of it. but what do you see is the kind of broaders response that you would expect from the global community? well, one specific thing i would like to see, particularly in europe is that and it's going to be difficult to understand, but it's a move that europe will have to make. at some point, it's essentially sanctioning russian sources of energy, russian, oil, and gas. it's again, not easy to achieve because europe is dependent on this,

but there are global markets. they may have to pay more. but if you look at it today, essentially the money that europe, spencer, or send to russia, if for oil and gas imports, this is essentially the russian military budget. so if you want to cut off the russian military budget, one of the primary things you could do is really start to get serious and start thinking russian oil and gas. i think 1st stopping the north stream to pipeline m, even stopping the operations of north street one pipeline. and i think germany in this last week has really had an epiphany. they really started reexamining. their policy over germany is europe's largest gas market. largest client of gas from so the move they make will have a big difference. and i'm also seeing changes in turkey as well. jerky is the 2nd largest market for gas from india in,

within the european context. and with the decision of prison. an urge that on to close the boss for a trade to russia and military ship movement is a step in the positive direction. in guinea, we've seen thousands of russians marching in anti war protests. we've even seen some unexpected high profile figures inside of russia speaking out against the war . is there any descent in your view within the inner circle or even within his government for what's happening right now? i have no doubt that that people who are trying to oppose the war, especially those in the, on the, on the, on the financial side of the russian government. because basically the russian economy will been piece of in the matter of several one. so the situation is extremely difficult and i rushed to my hot current sort of

frozen. so central bank is unable to interfere, therefore are actually current. so last thought that the santa with radio, it's means that prices for all food of what that commodities will go significantly. and those where 4 will become much, much for rash. some young people, they're leaving the country on math. they just running outside the country, ration reach, be po, ration middle. the also, or everybody is trying to find a way to get out of russia. 6000 people with the pain as they to 5 in different pro, to across the country. my publication,

the you times go to blog because you know, russian got one believes that we shouldn't use the word war or the there are no war, no invasion. no i can. so for the ration is just some, some operation that we see some back against the neighboring country. the only independent radio station last month. we also was taken down by the russians that were the only independent tv channel to the rain was taken down by the russian government as well. it's as being to you for the majority of reporters decided to leave the country. i mean, if you ever really do have the for, for my assumption indeed, and will continue to cover this every step of the way. stephanie, if danny agony,

thank you so much for joining me on upfront. that's our show upfront. we'll be back next week. the in the early hours of the morning, these palestinian families are being forced to leave their homes and belongings. these already military sometimes uses this area in the north of the occupied west bank as a training ground explosions like these often break the piece here. i fear for the children, they get scared, mumbling. i tried to calm them down there, but we are scared to these really are me told that just either that it takes measures to protect civilians during back the sizes. what is really, officers previously said that trainings are used to push palestinians out 48 families once lived in this village called zeek. now,

there are only 20 people here, say they have nowhere else to go. so they have to stay out until they're allowed to return to their home. after midnight, the military drill will continue for 3 days, which means they'll have to go through this again. twice this week. frank assessment for china as well. banner said from the 0, call it strategy. if the rest of the world cannot get together informed opinions at all costs focused on needs and the product from that state critical debate with claims that need to come. it's an interesting chill threat to russia, but it's precisely his actions that's rated this insecurity in the region. in depth analysis of the days global headlines inside story on al jazeera. my name's a place where this is, can truly call it their home. happy friend groups bringing the wanted me to want to know you all and just read money and i do is billions and is just full of surprises

. the money here is, am yes, to every know my nigeria on al jazeera ah ukraine's lead of all a demi zalinski speaks to president joe biden, after appealing directly to you at senators for more help in the war with russia. ah, on has them think of this is edge is it i live from the also coming up.